This is a quick video, from a real world test of the new Mac Mini for professional work, We had this thing running hundreds of plugins on 100’s of tracks, Blown away
So, I think i can go for an m2 pro (10C) mac mini with 16 gigs. actually i'll work on quite heavy projects with a lot of heavy projects. maybe around 150 tracks in pro tools with a lot of waves/UAD plugins. what's your opinion? actually my bufget is around $1800. so, is 16 gigs enough ram for working with that much tracks or should I get more budget to get 32 gigs?
Amazing video! I’ve arched 50-60 overproduced vids worth of content that seemingly don’t address any question I had . This vid got right to it effortlessly !?Thank you 🙏🏿
My old Mac Pro tower did I say OLD died last week. Probably the power supply but I’ve been looking at all the Mac mini’s and pretty much stopped on the one you are talking about here. You sold me Doug. I’m just getting into music editing/production coming from video editing/ creation. There is always going to be a bigger faster Mac around the corner BUT I’m seeing info about the m3 chip soon. Very soon. Thoughts?? And thanks for this video.
Me buying my M2 Pro is honestly the best purchase I’ve made this year by far and it’s not even close. I have a similar hub that I bought save dropped a 2 TB SSD in it. I also built a super easy DIY 40Gbps M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosure USB4 PCIe3.0x4 USB-C Aluminum Adapter, Upgraded NVMe PCIe 2280 M-Key External M2 Solid State Drive Enclosure, Compatible Thunderbolt 4 and dropped another 2 TB SSD card. All in $1,800 vs. my 2018 MacBook Pro that cost me well over $4k and this beast blows it out of the water🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great Video, Thank You. Just ordered the M2 Pro, 16 GB 512 ram, and a Hagibis USB-C Hub with a 2 TB M2 SSD. I can no longer update my Mac, and I Hope this will be a good move for me. I am just an old IT guy who still likes to mess around with many things, and I plan to add Parallels with Windows 11 to the mix with dual 4k monitors. I wish you the Best
Finally decided to retire my 2010 Mac Pro (12core/32gb) and jumped on the Costco deal for the Mac Studio M1 Max (10core/32gb/512) two weeks ago---huge upgrade. These silicon chips are the real deal and 32gb is more than enough for my mastering needs. Also picked up the Mac Mini Pro M2 (16gb/512) and shot them out against each other. The Studio M1 Max was faster in all my testing so the Mac Mini M2 Pro went back. Now I'm debating on whether or not to return the Studio M1 Max for the M2 Max. Definitely tempting. But honestly, the Studio M1 Max handles all my audio/video processing needs with ease so I'm not convinced the Studio M2 Max (with 2 more cores) is really going to be much faster, if at all...especially for audio applications. Either way, Costco has a great return policy, so I still have a couple months to decide. We'll see what happens.
I have a MacBook Pro M1 (10c 16gb ram) and I absolutely love it. ProTools been running great for me. However there is one thing i regret and that is I should have gotten more ram. 16gb is simply not enough if you plan to use large samplers from orchestra libraries like EW, Native, Spitfire, etc. When I want to use those samplers, I have to do the MIDI programming a few instruments at a time, then bounce each instrument before moving on, otherwise my session will crash. Fun thing btw, I found that Logic Pro, when my session crashes, my project becomes unrecoverable :) At least with ProTools, I can load the project again. If anyone has advise for this, lmk.
Thx. My Mac mini died about two years ago so I haven’t been able to record or nothing. I just wanted to know if I get the M2 will I’ll be able to transfer all my old sessions to the new M2? It’s an older Mac mini I think from 2008 or 09 I’m not quite sure. And its running on sierra. I’ll obviously have to take out the hard drive and connect it to M2 to transfer right?
Hii... Have you tried any audio post production project on the base mac mini..? If so would really love to know how it works .. or if i should go with m2 Pro .. please help me out here..
Hi Doug, I'm looking for to upgrade to mac from Windows 10th gen. I had difficulties running kontact libraries before in Windows. Will you recommend getting mac mini m2 8gb base model for my music production? (Your reply can really built the trust in me)
I want a mac only for music production. I mean for my recording studio. I don't want for video editing. Can I go with Mac mini M2 base version? For more storage, I can use external SSD.
Hello Doug thank you for making this video and guiding us with your experience.I have pro tools 10 academic version from 2013 installed in a macbook pro from 2010.Will I be able to still use my software in the new M2 ? Or will I have to buy the subscription? I have an ilok as well. Thank you again for making this video.I subscribed to your channel.
You should be able to work with it, but in Rosetta mode, losing lot of performance and probably having more than an issue. Best is to pay the subscription to get the last version compatible with Apple Silicon. I paid 275$ for upgrade to the latest Pro Tools Studio version + 1 year of updates and is working without issues.
Im wanting to try garageband. I have Toontrack ezkeys, Native Instruments Strummed Acoustic, Steven Slate Drums 5.5, and several amp sims/eqs/reverbs etc. 99% of the time I won't be using Steven Slate because I only have one customer who wants drum samples. Everyone else wants acoustics only. (So here's what my usual sessions will look like:) 8 drum mics + cloudlifters k/s 4 vocal mics + eq Bass guitar + amp sims 4 Acoustic guitar + amp sims 4 Electric guitar + amp sims 2 piano + EZKEYS 1 organ (onboard piano) 2 strings (onboard piano) 2 harmonica ÷ amp sim + eq You're telling me that m2/8gb base model for $599 is gonna fly through this? ......My i7 7700 8th gen/16gb/1Tb Dell is STRUGGLING to keep up. 😢
Amazing video as mentioned below, I just want to add that for all Apple silicone depending on what configuration you get, remember that your system memory is also shared between your CPU and the GPU... If you are producing music, understand that all DAWs utilize Apple hardware resources differently. How Pro Tools utilizes hardware resources is different from how Logic, or Cubase will utilize the same hardware. To avoid the headaches of 'workarounds' and memory pressure issues, you best bet is to configure a system that has at minimum, 32GB Ram.
while i'm using studio one, im a little skeptical about buying the 8gb ram version. I mostly just do mixing and mastering, but after looking at this video... i might just have to do it
Don't do it. If you are working with music/audio software, your base system as in the most basic system you should get must at least have 32GB of Ram, otherwise you will spend a lot of time doing the 'workaround' when you start working with resource demanding software. For someone working with audio, your optimal system should be the base M1 Mac Studio.
@@taucetus3657 i've worked on a pc for a long time, using max 3-4gb of ram through my daw. i already have 32gb on my pc and it's overkill. i got myself a mac mini m1 with 16gb ram and even that is overkill for me, but i wanted to be safe. saying you need 32gb for all of audio/music production is ridiculous
@@urbankar On a Mac because Mac do not utilize system memory the way PCs do. The M-series chipset shares system memory with the in-built GPU. 32GB gives you some extra overhead and relives your system from memory pressure issues down the road. Yes, 16GB is okay but as you progress and software is updated and adapted to new hardware specifications, 16GB starts to become inadequate. Now you can as well build yourself a more than capable PC which will not only give you the power you need to work with audio but the ability to upgrade later when software adaptations to hardware resources increase...
Hi Dough. I'm planning to update to m2 machine and have antelope pure2 too. It's 100% working on news Mac? On inetel based Mac with Mojave I have some graphic issues on the panel control. Thanks
im very hesitant with this particular base model for music production. Im recording on Ableton, lots of audio tracks (30+) along with UAD plugins and 3rd party (PA, L2s. Fabfilters etc) and some VSTs, sub groups with plugins and a heavy 2 bus chain as i master on the same session. Currently im on a mini 2018 i7/256ssd/32gbRAM. Im having a lots of glitches in DAW if i raise oversampling but at the same time theres absolutely no memory pressure and CPU is about 40%, so i cant imagine how the M2 base will perform better. At the same time though you show this video and im very sceptical cos im that close to pull the trigger for the m2pro/16gb/512..Thnx
I was considering a MM M2 pro for some level of video work along with my Pro tools HDX rig..currently on a 2012 Mac Pro tower..too big, too loud and just too old for todays programs and software
i would recommend m1 if u are going to get the 256gb model but if u are going for m2 go 512gb do it because the 256gb nvme on the m2 is slowed down drastically over the 512gb m2 not the same and u don't want a slow drive powering your system but i suggest getting a external nvme enclosure.
Get an external Thunderbolt spec SSD. 1TB is about $160, a lot cheaper than Apple's internal. Then set up the external drive as the boot drive (you'll need to install MacOS on it but that is easy) and you'll be surprised. I use an external SSD to boot on my iMac and it's a great way to get around the limitations of internal storage.
Just talked to apple and bought a pro model as well the salesman said he has the air and the mac mini m2 he asks a friend at the store to render projects for the speed alone. I was blown away that this processor is that fast
Sorry for the unedited video, just wanted to give a huge shout out to the M2! Put Eq on 127 tracks in seconds🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
So, I think i can go for an m2 pro (10C) mac mini with 16 gigs.
actually i'll work on quite heavy projects with a lot of heavy projects.
maybe around 150 tracks in pro tools with a lot of waves/UAD plugins.
what's your opinion?
actually my bufget is around $1800.
so, is 16 gigs enough ram for working with that much tracks or should I get more budget to get 32 gigs?
Amazing video! I’ve arched 50-60 overproduced vids worth of content that seemingly don’t address any question I had . This vid got right to it effortlessly !?Thank you 🙏🏿
Thanks Man Blessings!!!
Incredibly helpful. Thank you
I've been going back and forth between a suped up mac mini m2 pro and the m2 ultra mac studio , on the fence
Thank you for the video. I was on the fence myself but going to purchase mine tomorrow. I Was also worried about the memory. Great Vid as always
Glad I could help
For pro tools it truly amazing to me
Hi Doug, great video! any audible latency when recording?
My old Mac Pro tower did I say OLD died last week. Probably the power supply but I’ve been looking at all the Mac mini’s and pretty much stopped on the one you are talking about here. You sold me Doug. I’m just getting into music editing/production coming from video editing/ creation. There is always going to be a bigger faster Mac around the corner BUT I’m seeing info about the m3 chip soon. Very soon. Thoughts?? And thanks for this video.
Thanks for the info I am looking for a new work flow
true youtube gold!
Me buying my M2 Pro is honestly the best purchase I’ve made this year by far and it’s not even close. I have a similar hub that I bought save dropped a 2 TB SSD in it. I also built a super easy DIY 40Gbps M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosure USB4 PCIe3.0x4 USB-C Aluminum Adapter, Upgraded NVMe PCIe 2280 M-Key External M2 Solid State Drive Enclosure, Compatible Thunderbolt 4 and dropped another 2 TB SSD card. All in $1,800 vs. my 2018 MacBook Pro that cost me well over $4k and this beast blows it out of the
water🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great Video, Thank You. Just ordered the M2 Pro, 16 GB 512 ram, and a Hagibis USB-C Hub with a 2 TB M2 SSD. I can no longer update my Mac, and I Hope this will be a good move for me. I am just an old IT guy who still likes to mess around with many things, and I plan to add Parallels with Windows 11 to the mix with dual 4k monitors. I wish you the Best
thanks! Congrats still loving mine
Finally decided to retire my 2010 Mac Pro (12core/32gb) and jumped on the Costco deal for the Mac Studio M1 Max (10core/32gb/512) two weeks ago---huge upgrade. These silicon chips are the real deal and 32gb is more than enough for my mastering needs. Also picked up the Mac Mini Pro M2 (16gb/512) and shot them out against each other. The Studio M1 Max was faster in all my testing so the Mac Mini M2 Pro went back. Now I'm debating on whether or not to return the Studio M1 Max for the M2 Max. Definitely tempting. But honestly, the Studio M1 Max handles all my audio/video processing needs with ease so I'm not convinced the Studio M2 Max (with 2 more cores) is really going to be much faster, if at all...especially for audio applications. Either way, Costco has a great return policy, so I still have a couple months to decide. We'll see what happens.
Used to thing Mac was over priced mediocrity until i got my M1 Max.
hi. thanks for the vid. What is that base with the hard drive in it?
I have a MacBook Pro M1 (10c 16gb ram) and I absolutely love it. ProTools been running great for me. However there is one thing i regret and that is I should have gotten more ram. 16gb is simply not enough if you plan to use large samplers from orchestra libraries like EW, Native, Spitfire, etc. When I want to use those samplers, I have to do the MIDI programming a few instruments at a time, then bounce each instrument before moving on, otherwise my session will crash.
Fun thing btw, I found that Logic Pro, when my session crashes, my project becomes unrecoverable :) At least with ProTools, I can load the project again. If anyone has advise for this, lmk.
By the way, how many aggregate devices do you reckon can be combined and extension devices on this computer?
I'm curious about audiogridder with Mac minis which have 10gbps ports.
Thx. My Mac mini died about two years ago so I haven’t been able to record or nothing. I just wanted to know if I get the M2 will I’ll be able to transfer all my old sessions to the new M2? It’s an older Mac mini I think from 2008 or 09 I’m not quite sure. And its running on sierra. I’ll obviously have to take out the hard drive and connect it to M2 to transfer right?
what is the actual model of the inclosure you mentioned?
Do you have links to the stuff you are talking about? Thanks
So just to confirm, this is 8GB Ram and 256GB SSD? Thanks for making this video!
How loud is it with protools running?
what you think about the macbookpro 16 max?
Hii... Have you tried any audio post production project on the base mac mini..? If so would really love to know how it works .. or if i should go with m2 Pro .. please help me out here..
Hi Doug, I'm looking for to upgrade to mac from Windows 10th gen. I had difficulties running kontact libraries before in Windows. Will you recommend getting mac mini m2 8gb base model for my music production? (Your reply can really built the trust in me)
I want a mac only for music production. I mean for my recording studio. I don't want for video editing. Can I go with Mac mini M2 base version? For more storage, I can use external SSD.
Would the 8gb ram be enough for for producers who sue lots of midi tracks vst synths ect.
what is the lowest buffer length?
Hello Doug thank you for making this video and guiding us with your experience.I have pro tools 10 academic version from 2013 installed in a macbook pro from 2010.Will I be able to still use my software in the new M2 ? Or will I have to buy the subscription? I have an ilok as well. Thank you again for making this video.I subscribed to your channel.
Hi Doug are things still working out with your choice of gigs and hard drive? You are saying better things about the m2 than most CZcams reviews.
You should be able to work with it, but in Rosetta mode, losing lot of performance and probably having more than an issue. Best is to pay the subscription to get the last version compatible with Apple Silicon. I paid 275$ for upgrade to the latest Pro Tools Studio version + 1 year of updates and is working without issues.
Thank you.
Thanks for the video, though you have have shown Pro Tools, do you know if it works the same for Ableton?
pretty sure it does
@DougJenkins how about fl studio ?
Im wanting to try garageband.
I have Toontrack ezkeys, Native Instruments Strummed Acoustic, Steven Slate Drums 5.5, and several amp sims/eqs/reverbs etc.
99% of the time I won't be using Steven Slate because I only have one customer who wants drum samples. Everyone else wants acoustics only.
(So here's what my usual
sessions will look like:)
8 drum mics + cloudlifters k/s
4 vocal mics + eq
Bass guitar + amp sims
4 Acoustic guitar + amp sims
4 Electric guitar + amp sims
2 piano + EZKEYS
1 organ (onboard piano)
2 strings (onboard piano)
2 harmonica ÷ amp sim + eq
You're telling me that m2/8gb base model for $599 is gonna fly through this?
......My i7 7700 8th gen/16gb/1Tb Dell is STRUGGLING to keep up. 😢
Just got an M2 Pro, what version of protools are you running?
The Newest Version out, works well in rosetta mode
Amazing video as mentioned below, I just want to add that for all Apple silicone depending on what configuration you get, remember that your system memory is also shared between your CPU and the GPU... If you are producing music, understand that all DAWs utilize Apple hardware resources differently. How Pro Tools utilizes hardware resources is different from how Logic, or Cubase will utilize the same hardware. To avoid the headaches of 'workarounds' and memory pressure issues, you best bet is to configure a system that has at minimum, 32GB Ram.
while i'm using studio one, im a little skeptical about buying the 8gb ram version. I mostly just do mixing and mastering, but after looking at this video... i might just have to do it
I was shocked, my older computer has 64 gigs of ram, and it does the job great, I did get the m2 pro, for the same fear, but not the loaded one
Don't do it. If you are working with music/audio software, your base system as in the most basic system you should get must at least have 32GB of Ram, otherwise you will spend a lot of time doing the 'workaround' when you start working with resource demanding software. For someone working with audio, your optimal system should be the base M1 Mac Studio.
@@taucetus3657 i've worked on a pc for a long time, using max 3-4gb of ram through my daw. i already have 32gb on my pc and it's overkill. i got myself a mac mini m1 with 16gb ram and even that is overkill for me, but i wanted to be safe. saying you need 32gb for all of audio/music production is ridiculous
@@urbankar On a Mac because Mac do not utilize system memory the way PCs do. The M-series chipset shares system memory with the in-built GPU. 32GB gives you some extra overhead and relives your system from memory pressure issues down the road. Yes, 16GB is okay but as you progress and software is updated and adapted to new hardware specifications, 16GB starts to become inadequate. Now you can as well build yourself a more than capable PC which will not only give you the power you need to work with audio but the ability to upgrade later when software adaptations to hardware resources increase...
hai, for 84$ what's that (that little thing?) and you didn't add the link.
Hi Dough. I'm planning to update to m2 machine and have antelope pure2 too. It's 100% working on news Mac? On inetel based Mac with Mojave I have some graphic issues on the panel control. Thanks
I had graphic issues with control panel. As well. But still works fine i use knobs to make adjustments now. But machine is blazing fast
@@DougJenkins thanks
im very hesitant with this particular base model for music production. Im recording on Ableton, lots of audio tracks (30+) along with UAD plugins and 3rd party (PA, L2s. Fabfilters etc) and some VSTs, sub groups with plugins and a heavy 2 bus chain as i master on the same session. Currently im on a mini 2018 i7/256ssd/32gbRAM. Im having a lots of glitches in DAW if i raise oversampling but at the same time theres absolutely no memory pressure and CPU is about 40%, so i cant imagine how the M2 base will perform better. At the same time though you show this video and im very sceptical cos im that close to pull the trigger for the m2pro/16gb/512..Thnx
You gotta check out the specs of the M chips bro. The base M1 bodies any i7 so I’d imagine the M2 would be a good upgrade for you.
just ran a session 228 tracks loaded with plugins handled it perfect
I was considering a MM M2 pro for some level of video work along with my Pro tools HDX rig..currently on a 2012 Mac Pro tower..too big, too loud and just too old for todays programs and software
is it worth the extra $200 for the 512gb model? it has like 40% faster hard drive speeds
i would recommend m1 if u are going to get the 256gb model but if u are going for m2 go 512gb do it because the 256gb nvme on the m2 is slowed down drastically over the 512gb m2 not the same and u don't want a slow drive powering your system but i suggest getting a external nvme enclosure.
Get an external Thunderbolt spec SSD. 1TB is about $160, a lot cheaper than Apple's internal. Then set up the external drive as the boot drive (you'll need to install MacOS on it but that is easy) and you'll be surprised. I use an external SSD to boot on my iMac and it's a great way to get around the limitations of internal storage.
8 gb or 16 gb ram
16
Is this pro tools 2023. 3 Update
Yes. There is a option called rosetta if you click get info on the pro tools logo if some plugins aren’t loading but yes crazy fast.
Just talked to apple and bought a pro model as well the salesman said he has the air and the mac mini m2 he asks a friend at the store to render projects for the speed alone. I was blown away that this processor is that fast
Just making sure this is an m2 and not an m2 pro right?
Yes m2. I upgraded to pro just in case but m2 runs great
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