Sod's Law that the water / coolant pump failed a few days before you went away, but on the other hand, fortuitous that it didn't fail while you were away. I'd say you've earned your break 😆
From experience, it is far better to discover your water pump is dead on the parking lot than having it seizing, with belts snapping and wreaking havoc under the bonnet when on the autoroute.
I feel your pain after your upbeat previous video Richard. You'll win your bout with it and end up becoming one of the UK's specialists on the complex C6. Impressed by how your determination won through in the end after a very long day.
Oh man that's such a shame you have to take it apart again. Water pump is nothing but wear and tear item, still surprising it lasted that long! I don't trust any accessories in my cars for longer than 6 years - I change everything together with my timing belts
From my point of view, you have to find the silver lining on the C6 cloud. That is that you know how to work on it and it failed where you can get it to your garage to fix it. You are right about the age of the vehicle and such. When vehicles get on in years, they tend to have parts fail. As long as you keep up with it, they are lovely. A Hip, Hip, Hooray to you for persevering. You can do it!
I own a petrol one and its not that bad to be honest, my repair shop haven't told me to GTFO with it and I've hadn't had much troubles with it in ~6 years. I believe that even looked after diesels wont be such an headache. But then again, I do not know anything about C6 with a diesel engine
On the bank holiday weekend, I fitted a new gearbox torque mount to my Saab 9-5, along with spark plugs, oil/filter, thermostat, new coolant and marvelled how smoothly it drove. Until tonight when I hit an effing crater in the middle of the road and now it's shaking like a good thing. I shall treasure those last few days..
This is a testament for small-engined cars if ever I saw one. Hang in there Rich! We all suffer vicariously through you. It will all be worth it, I'm sure. Take care & stay safe!
Couldn’t agree more; that C6 is just as complex as my old E60 530d or my current Land Rover Disco 3. It’s of the era of compact and complex engine bays and it’s origin in no was affects this.
If you keep throwing parts, money and your own body parts at it you'll get it sorted eventually.... Right? 😂That's what I keep telling myself with my own stuff anyway.
I've never owend a deisel. I'm soooo glad. Modern cars are designed to break and cost more moeny than anyone can afford. I'm sure this is done on purpose. Plastic that is subject to many heat cycles will break. Not if, just when. Usually just before or during a long journey. I eant my Rover P6 or Mercedes 450SE W116 back please. fix 'em with a hammer and anvil.
You have got to be kidding!!! Mate enjoyed your reminiscing but what the hell!!! Cant believe this has happened I'm crying for you. Nice scar to carry for a while by the way. All the VERY BEST my heart is with you 🇦🇺
I took on a friend's 2008 Golf 1.4 tsi twincharger, with a slipped timing chain and a set of bent inlet valves, so I feel your pain. Two of the sump bolts required the notches in the flywheel lining up and a foot long ball end driver to remove. There is no guidance on how you could possibly get them back in. I eventually managed to make them semi-captive in the sump and eventually get the sump back on without getting completely covered in sealant (there is no gasket). The combustion engine is wheezing its last.
Because old. It's an absolutely appropriate age for a a water pump to go especially if the car has been used intermittently. It absolutely not the appropriate time though but is that not just always the case. I had to change the clutch master on my mondeo lastwinter in -17degrees and blissard. Which I think is simular.
Can’t blame being a Citroen for this. It’s lasted well with the mileage. As a serial BMW licker, I’ve changed many water pumps now, of course. Being a longitudinal helps, but it’s always a ‘Eugh’ job. And normally needs doing in time to get to work on a Monday.
I know the 2.7L 6 cylinder diesels are an order of magnitude smoother but... As a mechanic who works on his own stuff I bought a 2.2L C5 with 200hp just because it's not as big of a pain in the arse to work on
5cy volvo d5 isn't hard to work on, maybe compared to redblock. But not a smidge on that c6. If it was a c6 rs6 maybe justifies the complexity, but for a 2.7 diesel - nah not worth it. My opinion. Enjoy the vids though.
How on Earth did Peugeot Citroen, once masters of the Diesel Engine go to Ford, who used to buy diesel engines from Peugeot, for collaboration on a Diesel Engine!
It was a two way street. Ford helped the Lion engine onto life, and PSA gave them the DW10 to use (and bagde as a TDCI). Then they worked on the 1.4 and 1.6 engines together.
Add L322 Rangies (TDV8) to that list, body off to do turbos! Does make you wonder if at least part of the complexity issue, in times past an engine was designed for one model / floorpan / body / transmission. In more recent times, an engine is developed independently and used accross many brands never mind models, car makers have to add solutions as needed to make them work with their application. I have bad mouthed Eurocarprats so much I have to wear a diguise or ask someone to go in for me. Pity they don't do your brand of doged perseverrence, that I would buy.
I have had so many of these kinds of failures, I have started to fire the parts cannon at the area of my cars I am working on, to try to prevent this happening. It's great until the new water pump lasted only 20 minutes FFS.
I don't see what the problem is with driving a Picasso to France. The car is practical, economical and quite obviously durable. The Picasso is not fast, but not very slow either. It is "quadratisch, praktisch, gut" (square, practical, good) as the Germans say in a figurative sense. However, I hope you get the C6 sorted which is of course a much more inspiring car to drive (when it works). Otherwise a nice video. Keep up the good work :)
Amazing work, Rich. You sharing these videos explains exactly why some garage bills can be quite so pricey. It looks to be so nearly there. Will you be brave and gas the aircon system too before your very well-earned break?
Just come in from the top jack engine up a little and you can change it if you need to change the trumpet plastic twin pipe behind the alternator just come from underneath remove the air co unit and alltinator and you can change that as well the water pump is ok to do remove the top engine mount and fan belt off don't forget to undo the water pump bolts first while the belt is on
I think "because French" is a correct statement, but from a cultural POV. Cars-wise, I think they're often very clever,.and all cars have stupid bits somewhere
@@UPnDOWN Ok I may give you a passfrom that point of view. Don't know that they british are the right people to slag of the french on that account though.
@@UPnDOWN We all absolutely do but I was thinking more about engineering practices. I mean the french striked as much as the british i the 70s but peugeot still managed to build some of their best cars while almost exclusicel employing the french at the time. And Citroen went out of business by building ars with too much vision rather than by building morris itals. I am a huge fan of brtish cars though even if they were often badly built and poorly engineered in the later days. Japanese caras are the best to work on though by far.
What coolant was used originally? It has a orange colour as far as you know. What can I use to mix with in order to fill up the level to the top? Some warned me to mix certain coolants. Can you say what's the correct coolant to use, mixed with the factory coolant?
Any link to why the water pump would fail shortly after revamping the entire coolent system? Seems too much of a coincidence but then again, because french, i remember my 206 would get a fault, I'd fix it and then a new fault somewhere different would emerge literally shortly afterwards.
@@UPnDOWN Exactly… Furious Driving had the same thing on his Volvo clutch… it finally found where he hadn’t properly tightened up the pipe when he changed the slave cylinder. In this case I’d suspect the fact that the old coolant filled with Stop Leak had been drained and comprehensively flushed…
@@UPnDOWN I remember in the old days that if the brake slave cylinders were replaced, the master was likely to go. That would be because of increased pressure, and I think your new coolant, you said, produces less pressure. Could it be, though, that the water pump in some way objected to waterless coolant? "I'm a *water* pump. En greve."
On the bright side (there is one?), look at all the youtube content it's generating. If you had a Lexus instead you would have to concentrate on the DS, BX, SM and and TVRs. Oh hang on.....
Sorry the C6 is giving you so much grief at the moment. In the meantime, here's a clip of a 'modified' DS to cheer you up. czcams.com/video/EQA9FiqKct8/video.html
Get rid of it. You fix one thing, two unrelated things break. That is how it is going to be from now unteil eternity. Toch it to make an example of it..
3 you tubers having problems with there cars u with c6 Ian with the Barlingo and chemmy and matt with a very rusty and bogged crown Victoria so all psa/ ford
Sod's Law that the water / coolant pump failed a few days before you went away, but on the other hand, fortuitous that it didn't fail while you were away. I'd say you've earned your break 😆
From experience, it is far better to discover your water pump is dead on the parking lot than having it seizing, with belts snapping and wreaking havoc under the bonnet when on the autoroute.
A fair point
I feel your pain after your upbeat previous video Richard. You'll win your bout with it and end up becoming one of the UK's specialists on the complex C6. Impressed by how your determination won through in the end after a very long day.
He must get merch: T-shirts with "C6 Specialist" and "Ford AU Specialist"...
Funny thing: both have Ford engines... I wonder...
The 3 disaster men. You with the C6, Matt with the Crown Vic and Ian with the Charade 🙈😂
It's not a happy time.
Ive really been enjoying the C6 series
Good, I'm happy to hear that 🙂
@@UPnDOWN Ive been toying with the idea of buying one but your scaring me off them a bit haha
you frankly deserve a medal for presistence and patience. I'd have already sold that car as is for the 59th time about now
Oh man that's such a shame you have to take it apart again.
Water pump is nothing but wear and tear item, still surprising it lasted that long! I don't trust any accessories in my cars for longer than 6 years - I change everything together with my timing belts
I really admire your perseverance Kitch. I wish I had as much as you do!
From my point of view, you have to find the silver lining on the C6 cloud. That is that you know how to work on it and it failed where you can get it to your garage to fix it. You are right about the age of the vehicle and such. When vehicles get on in years, they tend to have parts fail. As long as you keep up with it, they are lovely. A Hip, Hip, Hooray to you for persevering. You can do it!
I do hope this arc has a happy ending. Edge of seat.
Much is achieved with a positive outlook 👍
Ah the jeopardy I thought was missing in the last episode!!
c6 is one of the very few "newer" cars I´d really like to own at one point... Until I found your channel...
.. wait... there is a petrol one for sale here.... :O
I own a petrol one and its not that bad to be honest, my repair shop haven't told me to GTFO with it and I've hadn't had much troubles with it in ~6 years. I believe that even looked after diesels wont be such an headache. But then again, I do not know anything about C6 with a diesel engine
Petrol ones are much easier. Still complex, but nothing like as tricky as the diesels.
You need some sort of award for your patience and fortitude. Hopefully the C6 will now perform faultlessly on your France 🇫🇷 trip, bon voyage Richard.
On the bank holiday weekend, I fitted a new gearbox torque mount to my Saab 9-5, along with spark plugs, oil/filter, thermostat, new coolant and marvelled how smoothly it drove. Until tonight when I hit an effing crater in the middle of the road and now it's shaking like a good thing. I shall treasure those last few days..
You are not an idiot, that C6 is a bit of a "con" as the French would say.
This is a testament for small-engined cars if ever I saw one.
Hang in there Rich! We all suffer vicariously through you. It will all be worth it, I'm sure.
Take care & stay safe!
You’re a better man than I Gungadin.
Another good video 🚘🚙🚗⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍👍
Couldn’t agree more; that C6 is just as complex as my old E60 530d or my current Land Rover Disco 3. It’s of the era of compact and complex engine bays and it’s origin in no was affects this.
It's definitely testing your patience
If you keep throwing parts, money and your own body parts at it you'll get it sorted eventually.... Right? 😂That's what I keep telling myself with my own stuff anyway.
I've got no idea how YT income works but it seems this cooling system has given you a good revenue stream!
Hahaha! About £25.
I've never owend a deisel. I'm soooo glad. Modern cars are designed to break and cost more moeny than anyone can afford. I'm sure this is done on purpose. Plastic that is subject to many heat cycles will break. Not if, just when. Usually just before or during a long journey. I eant my Rover P6 or Mercedes 450SE W116 back please. fix 'em with a hammer and anvil.
Nice rant ….. really feel for you!
Chin up - she’ll be right, and she won’t miss a beat either to, or from France !
Keep ‘em comin’!
JCHK
You have got to be kidding!!! Mate enjoyed your reminiscing but what the hell!!! Cant believe this has happened I'm crying for you. Nice scar to carry for a while by the way. All the VERY BEST my heart is with you 🇦🇺
I took on a friend's 2008 Golf 1.4 tsi twincharger, with a slipped timing chain and a set of bent inlet valves, so I feel your pain. Two of the sump bolts required the notches in the flywheel lining up and a foot long ball end driver to remove. There is no guidance on how you could possibly get them back in. I eventually managed to make them semi-captive in the sump and eventually get the sump back on without getting completely covered in sealant (there is no gasket).
The combustion engine is wheezing its last.
Because old. It's an absolutely appropriate age for a a water pump to go especially if the car has been used intermittently. It absolutely not the appropriate time though but is that not just always the case. I had to change the clutch master on my mondeo lastwinter in -17degrees and blissard. Which I think is simular.
100% agree.
Can’t blame being a Citroen for this. It’s lasted well with the mileage. As a serial BMW licker, I’ve changed many water pumps now, of course. Being a longitudinal helps, but it’s always a ‘Eugh’ job. And normally needs doing in time to get to work on a Monday.
I did at one stage quite fancy buying a C6. Not so sure now
They're wonderful when they don't need repairing.
I know the 2.7L 6 cylinder diesels are an order of magnitude smoother but... As a mechanic who works on his own stuff I bought a 2.2L C5 with 200hp just because it's not as big of a pain in the arse to work on
5cy volvo d5 isn't hard to work on, maybe compared to redblock. But not a smidge on that c6. If it was a c6 rs6 maybe justifies the complexity, but for a 2.7 diesel - nah not worth it. My opinion. Enjoy the vids though.
Hell the i6 in s80 / s90 / freelander 2 isnt bad really, despite the somewhat crazy but well engineered waterpump.
How on Earth did Peugeot Citroen, once masters of the Diesel Engine go to Ford, who used to buy diesel engines from Peugeot, for collaboration on a Diesel Engine!
It was a two way street. Ford helped the Lion engine onto life, and PSA gave them the DW10 to use (and bagde as a TDCI). Then they worked on the 1.4 and 1.6 engines together.
No water pump change in the time that I had her till you took her on.
If I recall correctly, that engine was shared with Jaguar (used in XJ's and probably XF also), hence it having a lot of Ford bits on it...
It's a Ford engine, mostly.
Ya poor fecker, I feel for ya.
Good Lord man you’re due a change of fortune…….
Add L322 Rangies (TDV8) to that list, body off to do turbos! Does make you wonder if at least part of the complexity issue, in times past an engine was designed for one model / floorpan / body / transmission. In more recent times, an engine is developed independently and used accross many brands never mind models, car makers have to add solutions as needed to make them work with their application. I have bad mouthed Eurocarprats so much I have to wear a diguise or ask someone to go in for me. Pity they don't do your brand of doged perseverrence, that I would buy.
well done! it looks like you've won!!
At least that engine you have isn't living in a range rover from that time! You would have even more woe!
Oh yes!
I'm hoping that this series does not end with you setting fire to the C6. But I wouldn't blame you for wanting to.
volvo d5 just over an hour to change timing belt and water pump thats why I gave up on big citroens many years ago
Agreed, more time getting tools out and tidying up than doing the job!!!!
Fair do, only know the Volvo engines in non-Volvo engine bays 😆
I have had so many of these kinds of failures, I have started to fire the parts cannon at the area of my cars I am working on, to try to prevent this happening. It's great until the new water pump lasted only 20 minutes FFS.
I don't see what the problem is with driving a Picasso to France. The car is practical, economical and quite obviously durable. The Picasso is not fast, but not very slow either. It is "quadratisch, praktisch, gut" (square, practical, good) as the Germans say in a figurative sense. However, I hope you get the C6 sorted which is of course a much more inspiring car to drive (when it works). Otherwise a nice video. Keep up the good work :)
I actually would like to take it to France!
Is the Nappy in the engine bay sound deadening??
Greatt little vlog as always Rich.
I think it's meant to be, yeah!
The main problem with that engine bay and engine is that its mounted transversely it is much less of a hussle in the jags and land rovers
Amazing work, Rich.
You sharing these videos explains exactly why some garage bills can be quite so pricey.
It looks to be so nearly there. Will you be brave and gas the aircon system too before your very well-earned break?
No time, sadly.
Hang in there buddy. I might upset you, but here we go. Will you be prepared to do a timing belt at some point? All the best. With everything.
Mmmm, probably not, although it's not due yet. But next video will explain why, fully.
ha new water pump nice thing ha
I have that kind of luck with things...
Let it out !!
10:40 Am SM in the background 😮.
I know. I don't like to mention it.
@@UPnDOWN you an absolute hero working on that C6 Respect
Just come in from the top jack engine up a little and you can change it if you need to change the trumpet plastic twin pipe behind the alternator just come from underneath remove the air co unit and alltinator and you can change that as well the water pump is ok to do remove the top engine mount and fan belt off don't forget to undo the water pump bolts first while the belt is on
I remember removing the suspension tank I als removed trimming belt casing bolts when I done the first one by mistake
This is why I won't work on the wifes toyota yaris but I will work on my tvr
Just take it down the scrapyard😆...That's what I did with mine ... then replaced it with a Lexus Ls460 😇
Yeah yeah nah
mind you putting miles on the picassole is sort of the point!
I think it was designed to use glycol-water coolant, do I get correctly that now neat glycol is supposed to squeeze through the passages?
Amazing how many problems the C6 has when the C5 X7 that shares parts is such a reliable robust car.
It's mostly because this is a high mileage example that wasn't looked after.
Is it, though? I hear of people having more issues with those than the C6 in every dept. except engine.
Is that a Citroen SM behind the C6? Have you got an SM?!
The fact that you are saving this car in that picasso proves that "because french" a false statement.
I think "because French" is a correct statement, but from a cultural POV. Cars-wise, I think they're often very clever,.and all cars have stupid bits somewhere
@@UPnDOWN Ok I may give you a passfrom that point of view. Don't know that they british are the right people to slag of the french on that account though.
Oh definitely, Brits are embarrassing! But the French have some odd customs etc. Mind you, we all do.
@@UPnDOWN We all absolutely do but I was thinking more about engineering practices. I mean the french striked as much as the british i the 70s but peugeot still managed to build some of their best cars while almost exclusicel employing the french at the time. And Citroen went out of business by building ars with too much vision rather than by building morris itals. I am a huge fan of brtish cars though even if they were often badly built and poorly engineered in the later days. Japanese caras are the best to work on though by far.
You couldn't make it up 😢
Take the engine out and take your time with it, the amount of time you have spends now, you could have taken out the engine.
Fast becoming The Rant Channel.... Rant Rant Rant..... Just do it after a small rant....
If you've only just noticed it's a rant channel, you've not been paying attention.
What coolant was used originally? It has a orange colour as far as you know. What can I use to mix with in order to fill up the level to the top?
Some warned me to mix certain coolants.
Can you say what's the correct coolant to use, mixed with the factory coolant?
No idea, I've drained it all out!
He had everything off so he could have changed the waterpump preventively. Did so my self on my old car. Just my opinion
My crystal ball is obviously playing up.
@@UPnDOWN Apologies sometimes my wonderfull hindsight acts up too much. Thought your comment was brilliant.
more issue citroen c6 that old water pump not in good nick for the bin
10 minutes of solid complaining before actually doing something…. You remind me of me!😂
These are vlogs, not just repair vids.
@@UPnDOWN Definitely not meant a criticism, hope you didn’t take it that way….!
Any link to why the water pump would fail shortly after revamping the entire coolent system? Seems too much of a coincidence but then again, because french, i remember my 206 would get a fault, I'd fix it and then a new fault somewhere different would emerge literally shortly afterwards.
Could be that the issue moved on to the next weakest link in the chain.
@@UPnDOWN Exactly… Furious Driving had the same thing on his Volvo clutch… it finally found where he hadn’t properly tightened up the pipe when he changed the slave cylinder.
In this case I’d suspect the fact that the old coolant filled with Stop Leak had been drained and comprehensively flushed…
@@UPnDOWN I remember in the old days that if the brake slave cylinders were replaced, the master was likely to go. That would be because of increased pressure, and I think your new coolant, you said, produces less pressure. Could it be, though, that the water pump in some way objected to waterless coolant? "I'm a *water* pump. En greve."
On the bright side (there is one?), look at all the youtube content it's generating. If you had a Lexus instead you would have to concentrate on the DS, BX, SM and and TVRs. Oh hang on.....
Tbh my 2004 S80 D5 is a piece of piss piss work on but I do agreed modern/modernish cars suck,made of cheese, give me anything pre 2000.
So... because British? :)
Sorry the C6 is giving you so much grief at the moment. In the meantime, here's a clip of a 'modified' DS to cheer you up. czcams.com/video/EQA9FiqKct8/video.html
Get rid of it. You fix one thing, two unrelated things break. That is how it is going to be from now unteil eternity. Toch it to make an example of it..
Seems excessive.
When will you stop?
when he gets a petrol C6
I haven't yet :-)
3 you tubers having problems with there cars u with c6 Ian with the Barlingo and chemmy and matt with a very rusty and bogged crown Victoria so all psa/ ford
Exactly that! 😂
I've got plenty of other PSA cars that are working fine, to be fair. Got a Ford that isn't, though!
@UPnDOWN lucky my ford with a psa engine 1.6 diesel is working fine at the moment
@UPnDOWN why what's up with the s max or is there a video to follow on that
That's the adventure of a lifetime, quit naggin'
You wouldn't be happy if it was normal like any other car.
Mmmmm.....I dunno, sometimes!