@@mharro88 Never driven an i30N on track, but I used to work at a Hyundai dealership and drove dozens of them when they were first released. They were ok, and quick round the corners, but not 'fun' in any sense of the word. Certainly couldn't get the back end out like a RWD car as they understeered on the limit. So how many M140i's have you driven on track ?
@@DjNikGnashers you haven't driven the i30n sedan then which is extremely fun. The back end kicks out and the LCD in it is better than some 100k cars. Sounds better and definitely more raw.
@@mharro88 Yes I have driven a few of them actually. I don't care about the screens (when you said LCD did you mean LSD LOLOL). They are not more raw matey, they are exactly the same as the hatch but in a slightly different body. I was a parts advisor and ordered enough parts for both to know they were almost identical underneath. They are ok cars, on a par with the Golf GTi for handling and almost as good quality interior, pretty decent to be honest. What they are not, is anything close to a powerful RWD car for fun.
love your work guys, the M140 is fantastic for the everyday commute and weekend hoon - you only live once so if its within your reach, definitely go for it
G’day Joe, Great to see your Australian test drives. I purchased one of the first M135i’s in 2012 sight unseen. It was a 3-month wait but well worth it. Drove it in Far North Queensland's hot, wet conditions for a couple of years and loved it. My wife inherited it while I defected to an RS3. The RS 3 was a hoot and loved the hoon exhaust, gonna miss that but not the annoying understeer. After 3 years we’ve just purchased two new M140i’s. They do everything so well, and last of this breed has been well refined. Would've loved an M2 but two M140’s for the price of an M2 is hard not to justify.
I had both cars on a week long test drive each. The BMW was great fun to drive but the VW was more comfortable and had better technology (Android Auto, dynamic cruise control etc) and a much bigger boot and back seats. Ended up buying the VW and don't have any regrets, what a car!
So last yr for the one series rear wheel drive . I need a new car in two yrs. What will the motor in the front wheel all wheel drive look like. Will it be as fast??? Same question for the X2. Nobody is talking, come on guy's what are your thought's.
Was the golf any better than the BMW when you push to those 9 tenths/ 10 tenths? or dose it share the same short comings as the M lites? Very good review - be interesting to see you do some more comparison videos... Just subscribed.
Mate come to New Zealand and we'll drive some nice stuff here. South Island is fantastic for a road trip. Love my M135i by the way :-). Do you have an opinion on the MHD tuner ?? Always thinking of the next upgrade...
Saw you on Ricky’s channel you two should collab more. I’ve always wanted to know how the m140i compares to the golf r because their prices are somewhat similar. Good video I subscribed
The ZF auto is nice and smooth, probably better than the DSG in my M2 overall, but even after a year, I still miss a manual. If I could choose again I would definitely pick the manual box, even with the slightly reduced performance.
I had to choose between them both recently.. and bought an 2018 S3! I have to say this, all are cracking cars. I've owned a stage 2 M135i (one of the first in the UK, I even ended up with BMS' prototype de-cat)Hey Joe...race you in the uk? say..February? lol
Obviously no one in the comment section actually watched/listened to the video, golf r is down to 285bhp due to it being the Australian version not standard 310bhp.
+Joe Achilles that's very pore judgment #BMW one of your greatest you tuber advocates and they do not invite you to there press launch. Maybe time to change brands Joe, as much as it may pain you but I'm thinking ether Audi or Merc
It's because most BMWs are RWD and need large rotors to help with traction control, fronts are still more powerful due to larger 4 pot calipers (in the m140/240 case) Cheers
Great video as always! Will be interesting to see how the Golf 8 R and updated M140i will be like as I believe they're coming out roughly around the same time!
Well done Joe! Nice tan by the way. lol Question based on the transmission comments in this vid. If you could get an M3 with either a dual clutch setup like it has now OR could option it to have the regular 8 spd torque converter variant, which would you chose for regular driving? Or same comment about your new M140i would you chose a dual clutch setup if you could?? Thanks!
Well, that looked easy, Joe! I thought you'd have some emotions ( being caradvice and all) but you're the usual self, all smooth and natural hahaha ! 😜 chapeau bas!
Great review Joe (as always!) I think most people would consider a Golf R if they were in the market for an M140i. You nailed the differences between them and echo my thoughts as well. Great minds and all that.... Anyway, just thought I’d say hi and keep up the good work!
Joe I invite you to come over to Switzerland and do a review of the xDrive M14Oi. Its a shame the UK only has the RWD version, its seriously knobbled compared to the xDrive... come see for yourself, my ride is available.
Nice to see you in Australia Joe.....stumbled across all your videos late last year about M135s and M140is.......Took just a little while and bought a new Cosmos Black, 19", run flats etc last day of last year...Its got 2000kms, never been out in the rain, trip meter same as odometer still......absolutely all what you said about it, was looking at A45 but I didnt want a race car, as is a VW 7.......its still new so exhaust is still quiet.......also got a 2016 GTI, both great cars. Thankyou for your imput.......keep Beeming it in...... Anthony Horwick
joe without doubt my favourite car reviewer, keep up the good work and I'm sure more recognition and rewards will come, not sure you'll ever be rewarded more than that lovely new steering wheel of trl lol
Daniel T haha lol, sad that the new 1Series is going to be based on the Mini platform, so FWD... It's gonna loose it's identity as the only small RWD hatchback... I know BMW is doing it to cut costs dramatically but we're gonna loose a gem
TeacherToolkitDemo keep it bro! But a 340i touring is a really good shout imo, a bit more space and the same engine... Shud be really good, but price is really high compared to the M140i
Rejoice Rone I was looking at a 340i or a 440i last week on autotrader. Some bargains. Whatever it is its got to be petrol and be an inline 6. I will never buy a 1 series without a 6 pot.
Much better review than the GTI review Joe, much more your style. Hopefully this collaboration becomes a bit more regular! Sadly, I'm still rather torn between the two cars. Head says R but the heart says the M140i... The other thing that I think probably should have been mentioned is ACC - that's a big feature for 'everyday' driving that the M140i lacks, which is a real shame.
I went from M135i LCI to 7.5R - (after testing a M140 LCI II and a few other cars) and it was the best move I've made.. no regrets.. some of the points in the video are also either Aussie centric or moot.. the infotainment system in the UK for example comes standard with the volume button (unless you upgrade it to the PRO), it's also 20 BHP more powerful and regarding fake sound - it's something the BMW has as well (active sound) - the virtual cockpit and infotainment system is light years ahead of BMW's offering.. (although BMW's has got better) - at least now their 'full panel display' stretches out a little more than a postage stamp in the bottom right hand corner of the instrument binnacle.. although their new hybrid system with actual dials is a bit marmite.. they';re both very good cars though and this is just nit picking between them... once you've been for a test drive of both - you'll get an idea of which one is right for you..
Yeah, I'm from Aussie so the points in the vid all apply to the version I'd get. I've driven both, although I need to do both back to back and go from there. I'm not really too fussed on the virtual cockpit in the R (it looks cool, but I prefer Audi's version). I think the big thing is for me is I already have a Mk 7 Golf Highline, and the interior of the new 7.5 is *mostly* the same so I wouldn't mind a bit of a change. Still, the price difference between the two is something to consider as well - you can pick up a Golf R with DAP (we get adaptive suspension standard on both models) for about 56AU, whereas the BMW price of entry is about 60-62. Not much in it, but still worth considering. Outside of the interior, how have you found the R to drive compared to the bimmer?
performance wise?.. much of a muchness to be honest.. virtually nothing noticeable between them (so much so that it didn't factor into my decision)... what did was the fact that in the BMW - i could have the traction light flickering in 3rd gear on most days without trying - despite having MPSS tyres etc.. (not something you'd likely need to consider in Aus) - but in the UK on anything other than a dry day with bone dry roads (about c95% of the time) - the BMW often struggles to put its full power down (or at least there is a delay in it doing so)... if BMW brought out the X-Drive in the Uk then it would be a LOT closer decision - (and I might even have chose the 1 over the R) - but for this country and for the performance and price point, then I don't think there is any car that is better... the latest version of the R is a great drive in all weather (including snow!! - which we've had a lot of recently!!) - ALTHOUGH - I will concede that the M135i LCI i had (even with MPSS) surprised me in the snow with the traction off... nowhere near as good as the R, but I was able to get moving and drive around in it (which wasn't the case in any other BMW I've had - pre face lift 116D MSport (with goodyear runflats), BMW Z3 2.8, BMW 3 Series etc)...
Cool, thanks for the reply. I've heard much of the same thing from other owners (although it seems that there are a few going going from Mk7 R's to the LC2 M140i since the recent price drop in AU). Where I live in Melbourne it's mostly pretty dry, but the winter can be a bit wet but probably nowhere near as bad as the UK. I think one of the major put offs for me about the M140i is the ACC - I don't have it at the moment, but from everyone I've talked to they say that in the gridlock morning traffic to work, its a godsend.
there are volumes of owners going in both directions!.. it's just down to personal preference or people wanting a change.. and yes the ACC does help in stop start traffic (but I very rarely use cruise control either - the R comes with both cruise control and speed limiter (a very handy feature!!) - the M140 only comes with limiter as standard or cruise control as an option - you can't have BOTH - which is also a minor annoyance I had with it!)...
I'm starting to prefer the BMW these days. I'm getting bored of my R after 2 years in. It's practical, fast etc. Except the 2l 4 pot engine is kinda boring. But I don't think I can give up the AWD. To pull away quickly in pouring rain without any drama is so useful. And in last years brief London snow I was driving around, up hill etc with no issues on stock tyres. I know I'd love a 140i, but it would come with compromises :( Long story short, I'm still confused what to do lol
In a dry warmer country the 140i is the car I would want, in the UK though I'll stick with the R, purely because I can utilise its abilities at every junction/roundabout in any condition. No question though that the 140i has the better engine with vastly better sound.
Love the video Joey, very good review and the Golf R is a crackin car but it’s not a BMW! Lol keep it coming mate look forward to seeing your next video every time.
I’m a BMW fan but there is something not quite right with those 0-60 times. A DSG golf R in the U.K. market would be around mid 4’s if no less. The ozzy version must be so restricted for their market.
ok i know not every test is exactly the same but if you look up car and driver one of the usa's largest car magazines they did a test with an m240i automatic and got 4.3. i'm sure they could do better with an x-drive. the s3 was slower and the rs3 was faster. what i'd really like to see is a drag race (same time, same conditions) between an rs3 and an m240ix-drive. the difference in price in canada is $12,000 but i'm sure the speeds are closer than that..?..
I have had both cars, had the golf 7 R for 2 years and now have had an M140I for just over a year. The BMW undoubtedly feels quicker and not just from 0-60, when rolling it picks up so much quicker. In my opinion the BMW feels the more quality car. But I never find I have the same confidence driving the BMW fast on twisty roads than i did with the golf unless it is bone dry. This could be perception given the reassurance of the golf being RWD but the golf definitely feels more planted and controlled when pushing on. However thats not to say i prefer the drive of the golf, the golf quickly got a bit boring and in the end i wasn't that bothered to see it go, the problem with the AWD 4 pots is that they are too easy to drive fast and offer very little in the way of drama. Take the BMW out on a slightly damp day and it can be a lot of fun that you just dont get in the golf.
The BMW is a rwd in-line 6 vs the Golf R which is a 4 pot awd so no real comparison when it comes to driving dynamics, the BMW is definitely the better ‘drivers’ car!
Great review Joe. Although the 8 speed ZF is £1300. Interesting the VW's engine output is pegged back for the Ozzy market and the BMW isn't. Makes me think the VW engine is near its limit.
The BMW i6 Turbo engines (N54, N55, B58 & S55) are held back in all markets. No where near their limits. P.S I have a E92 N54 335i running between 400 - 450bhp with simple boltons and a tune.
Hi comments about the DSG are valid. Had a Golf R DSG and could not gel with the DSG box at all. Very little correlation between the amount of accelerator travel and an increase in speed. Sold it and bought a manual. Needed a new clutch after 4500 miles, I now find out it is a common fault with the manual in that the clutch is not up to the job. Now have an M240i with the ZF auto and it is a car on a completely different level.
Haha! Comparing a straight 6 RWD platform BMW with an inline 4, FWD based VW? I cannot speak for others, but for me, the decision is incredibly easy. Keep the VW, give me the real deal.
This is really a testament to how great the Golf R really is, considering VW is not a luxury brand. In the US, the Golf R can be had for $40,000 USD (42K MSRP). The tune-ability is also insane on this engine. Stage 1 (software only) will net you about 70hp/tq for about $500. As I type this it's snowing outside and I took my kid to school in my Golf R on snow tires, it's an absolute beast. There is no better all around sensible car here in the US for the money. I do wish we had the 1 series available here, what a beauty.
Practicality/speed/build quality in one affordable package is the reason the Golf GTI is one of the most sold hatch backs globally. BMW 1-series are great cars but cost a lot more to get the same performance, also the 1 series has less luggage space/rear bench space which could make a difference for families/people needing to carry loads. I've owned several 1 series and loved them, but could only afford the cheaper 4cyl versions. Now I own an old GTI MK5 (got it very cheap from a friend) and it is surprising how fast and spacious it is. So I think the GTI is great for the money. If someobody has the budget to get a 135/140i that would be an even better drive, but the reduced space on offer due to RWD layout is noticeable.
Lox Lover wow your missing out not having the 1 series and that 3ltr twin scroll turbo flat 6 rather than a dull turbo 4 but yes you are right bmw + snow = written off / not going anywhere
Out of all hot hatches that were in my budget, the M140i had the one thing which I consider most important, lacking in other hot hatches. ... FUN !
I find the i30n hatch way more fun that that on track
@@mharro88 Never driven an i30N on track, but I used to work at a Hyundai dealership and drove dozens of them when they were first released.
They were ok, and quick round the corners, but not 'fun' in any sense of the word.
Certainly couldn't get the back end out like a RWD car as they understeered on the limit.
So how many M140i's have you driven on track ?
@@DjNikGnashers you haven't driven the i30n sedan then which is extremely fun. The back end kicks out and the LCD in it is better than some 100k cars. Sounds better and definitely more raw.
@@mharro88 Yes I have driven a few of them actually.
I don't care about the screens (when you said LCD did you mean LSD LOLOL).
They are not more raw matey, they are exactly the same as the hatch but in a slightly different body. I was a parts advisor and ordered enough parts for both to know they were almost identical underneath.
They are ok cars, on a par with the Golf GTi for handling and almost as good quality interior, pretty decent to be honest.
What they are not, is anything close to a powerful RWD car for fun.
love your work guys, the M140 is fantastic for the everyday commute and weekend hoon - you only live once so if its within your reach, definitely go for it
Awesome video, Joe!!! More collabs, CarAdvice!
G’day Joe, Great to see your Australian test drives.
I purchased one of the first M135i’s in 2012 sight unseen. It was a 3-month wait but well worth it. Drove it in Far North Queensland's hot, wet conditions for a couple of years and loved it. My wife inherited it while I defected to an RS3. The RS 3 was a hoot and loved the hoon exhaust, gonna miss that but not the annoying understeer. After 3 years we’ve just purchased two new M140i’s. They do everything so well, and last of this breed has been well refined. Would've loved an M2 but two M140’s for the price of an M2 is hard not to justify.
Pretty solid review there Joe!
A great collaboration Joe......hmmm thought the M140 might come out the winner😉......your nearly at 30k subs mate👊
Nicely done, ragazzi! 👍🏻
Great collaboration.
Great Video , Keep them coming!!!!
Great video guys! As a big hot hatch fan this was an enjoyable watch 👍
Hey Joe nice one like usual :) if there´s any car you could buy if money would not be an issue, what car would it be?? :)
I had both cars on a week long test drive each. The BMW was great fun to drive but the VW was more comfortable and had better technology (Android Auto, dynamic cruise control etc) and a much bigger boot and back seats. Ended up buying the VW and don't have any regrets, what a car!
Gay choice
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Thanks to your content, I've been looking for an M135i.. they're such good value! Every time you upload now I'm *THERE* !
Great vid Joe
Hey Joe great video again 👍 what fuel do you use in your cars- 135i/140i (shell v power )? 🤔
btw awesome vid as always keep it up Joe!
Briliant Video Joe, really enjoyed that. You should do more twin presenter reviews. Just need to find somebody as good as that.
Excellent comparison... Thanks
Thanks Joe great video
Always enjoy watching your videos. Pick my M140i up this weekend, can't wait!
3 years later - how have/did you find the M140i? Picked mine up yesterday
@@oweng6154 It was great. I loved it, but I ended up upgrading to an M2 competition.
Good to hear. Enjoying mine so far also. Good choice with the upgrade, enjoy!
Really good, Joe!
Great review Joe..
Come down to Perth next time mate :) Great Vid!
does the BMW have a locking diff?
Really liked the collaboration between 2 of my favourite channels
Dave Tomley Thanks!
Great joint vlog, M140! all day long
So last yr for the one series rear wheel drive . I need a new car in two yrs. What will the motor in the front wheel all wheel drive look like. Will it be as fast??? Same question for the X2. Nobody is talking, come on guy's what are your thought's.
Great vid Joe. :) VW does that same de-tune crap here in South Africa as well, cause apparently it gets hotter that 0 degrees here :D
Hi +Joe Achilles, fantastic video! Are you in Melbourne for the F1? See you at the track mate! ;-)
Was the golf any better than the BMW when you push to those 9 tenths/ 10 tenths? or dose it share the same short comings as the M lites?
Very good review - be interesting to see you do some more comparison videos... Just subscribed.
Mate come to New Zealand and we'll drive some nice stuff here. South Island is fantastic for a road trip. Love my M135i by the way :-). Do you have an opinion on the MHD tuner ?? Always thinking of the next upgrade...
brilliant video! :) the color of the diffusor is called dark shadow btw :P cheers
Saw you on Ricky’s channel you two should collab more. I’ve always wanted to know how the m140i compares to the golf r because their prices are somewhat similar. Good video I subscribed
the sound of the m140i with a remus catback is drooooool
Well done Joe. An entertaining and informative video. New Golf R in Autocar today - 350 bhp for £33K!
The ZF auto is nice and smooth, probably better than the DSG in my M2 overall, but even after a year, I still miss a manual. If I could choose again I would definitely pick the manual box, even with the slightly reduced performance.
I had to choose between them both recently.. and bought an 2018 S3! I have to say this, all are cracking cars. I've owned a stage 2 M135i (one of the first in the UK, I even ended up with BMS' prototype de-cat)Hey Joe...race you in the uk? say..February? lol
finally a comparison between those two. I think you should have timed the 40 -100 runs aswell. cheers!
0:48 which cars sound is that ? It's incredibly badass. Someting V8, reminds a bit of McMerc SLR but I can't quite put a finger on it
Every time i watch a video on an m140i i want one 😆 absolute dream bmw
Obviously no one in the comment section actually watched/listened to the video, golf r is down to 285bhp due to it being the Australian version not standard 310bhp.
But even withy the extra power it still won’t catch a bmw m140i unlees the bmw drivers a wimp or its terrestrial downpour
Achilles you beast!
BMW uk lend this man the new M5
Haha the UK press launch is happening this week, unfortunately I didn't get invited :-(
For a man who’s done a lot for BMW on CZcams that’s a travesty
I'm sure Tony will lend you one when he gets some in :P
Awks how Joe praises BMW and then not to give him an invite, and you have he likes of AUDI who invite him when he doesn’t own an Audi 😂😂😂
+Joe Achilles that's very pore judgment #BMW one of your greatest you tuber advocates and they do not invite you to there press launch. Maybe time to change brands Joe, as much as it may pain you but I'm thinking ether Audi or Merc
Hi Joe. Do you know why m140 have bigger rear brake discs than in front? It is unusual and i asked dealer and service and they couldnt answer. Thanks.
It's because most BMWs are RWD and need large rotors to help with traction control, fronts are still more powerful due to larger 4 pot calipers (in the m140/240 case) Cheers
Gu on Joe lad!
Are you living in Roken's garage now? I bet it's a great place to be.
Love using the launch control on the GTD
God their roads look bumpy haha! Great review as always mate
roads are terrible here unfortunately!
Great video as always! Will be interesting to see how the Golf 8 R and updated M140i will be like as I believe they're coming out roughly around the same time!
Rayaan Shaikh Golf 8 R will be a 3L v6 Twinturbo with around 400 HP... that is going to be interesting
Dokepredator It's not. It'll still be a 2.0l 4 pot but with 320-340hp.
Rayaan Shaikh nope, allready the biggest GTI will have 320 HP
@@Dokepredator
Well you were wrong. I wonder where you got your information from
OK Joe. I've subscribed.
I liked the vid a lot mate, a bit surprised that golf was slower to 100 (and above 5 secs) but theirs is detuned so presumably that's why.
It’s also air and altitude quality too guys.Both great cars 🍻
Well done Joe! Nice tan by the way. lol Question based on the transmission comments in this vid. If you could get an M3 with either a dual clutch setup like it has now OR could option it to have the regular 8 spd torque converter variant, which would you chose for regular driving? Or same comment about your new M140i would you chose a dual clutch setup if you could?? Thanks!
Funny, the R from outside sounds pretty wicked when seeing them tearing up the streets
Well, that looked easy, Joe! I thought you'd have some emotions ( being caradvice and all) but you're the usual self, all smooth and natural hahaha ! 😜 chapeau bas!
Great review Joe (as always!) I think most people would consider a Golf R if they were in the market for an M140i. You nailed the differences between them and echo my thoughts as well. Great minds and all that.... Anyway, just thought I’d say hi and keep up the good work!
Joe I invite you to come over to Switzerland and do a review of the xDrive M14Oi. Its a shame the UK only has the RWD version, its seriously knobbled compared to the xDrive... come see for yourself, my ride is available.
That snow looks too good to be real
Side by side drag race.
Nice to see you in Australia Joe.....stumbled across all your videos late last year about M135s and M140is.......Took just a little while and bought a new Cosmos Black, 19", run flats etc last day of last year...Its got 2000kms, never been out in the rain, trip meter same as odometer still......absolutely all what you said about it, was looking at A45 but I didnt want a race car, as is a VW 7.......its still new so exhaust is still quiet.......also got a 2016 GTI, both great cars.
Thankyou for your imput.......keep Beeming it in......
Anthony Horwick
joe without doubt my favourite car reviewer, keep up the good work and I'm sure more recognition and rewards will come, not sure you'll ever be rewarded more than that lovely new steering wheel of trl lol
Awesome vid joe.....but mate...that tshirt!! Its shorter than the hair on my palms! X
That's a terrible 0-60 time in the Golf. I can easily get well under 5 seconds in my un-modded pre-face lift Golf R.
Finally!!
That was excellent!... M140i all day!
Rejoice Rone and they don't sell xdrive in Australia. But 99.99% of Australia never has snow.
Daniel T haha lol, sad that the new 1Series is going to be based on the Mini platform, so FWD... It's gonna loose it's identity as the only small RWD hatchback... I know BMW is doing it to cut costs dramatically but we're gonna loose a gem
Rejoice Rone Im guna keep my M135i Lci untill it rusts! For this reason.
TeacherToolkitDemo keep it bro! But a 340i touring is a really good shout imo, a bit more space and the same engine... Shud be really good, but price is really high compared to the M140i
Rejoice Rone I was looking at a 340i or a 440i last week on autotrader. Some bargains. Whatever it is its got to be petrol and be an inline 6. I will never buy a 1 series without a 6 pot.
Much better review than the GTI review Joe, much more your style. Hopefully this collaboration becomes a bit more regular! Sadly, I'm still rather torn between the two cars. Head says R but the heart says the M140i... The other thing that I think probably should have been mentioned is ACC - that's a big feature for 'everyday' driving that the M140i lacks, which is a real shame.
I went from M135i LCI to 7.5R - (after testing a M140 LCI II and a few other cars) and it was the best move I've made.. no regrets.. some of the points in the video are also either Aussie centric or moot.. the infotainment system in the UK for example comes standard with the volume button (unless you upgrade it to the PRO), it's also 20 BHP more powerful and regarding fake sound - it's something the BMW has as well (active sound) - the virtual cockpit and infotainment system is light years ahead of BMW's offering.. (although BMW's has got better) - at least now their 'full panel display' stretches out a little more than a postage stamp in the bottom right hand corner of the instrument binnacle.. although their new hybrid system with actual dials is a bit marmite.. they';re both very good cars though and this is just nit picking between them... once you've been for a test drive of both - you'll get an idea of which one is right for you..
Yeah, I'm from Aussie so the points in the vid all apply to the version I'd get. I've driven both, although I need to do both back to back and go from there. I'm not really too fussed on the virtual cockpit in the R (it looks cool, but I prefer Audi's version). I think the big thing is for me is I already have a Mk 7 Golf Highline, and the interior of the new 7.5 is *mostly* the same so I wouldn't mind a bit of a change. Still, the price difference between the two is something to consider as well - you can pick up a Golf R with DAP (we get adaptive suspension standard on both models) for about 56AU, whereas the BMW price of entry is about 60-62. Not much in it, but still worth considering. Outside of the interior, how have you found the R to drive compared to the bimmer?
performance wise?.. much of a muchness to be honest.. virtually nothing noticeable between them (so much so that it didn't factor into my decision)... what did was the fact that in the BMW - i could have the traction light flickering in 3rd gear on most days without trying - despite having MPSS tyres etc.. (not something you'd likely need to consider in Aus) - but in the UK on anything other than a dry day with bone dry roads (about c95% of the time) - the BMW often struggles to put its full power down (or at least there is a delay in it doing so)... if BMW brought out the X-Drive in the Uk then it would be a LOT closer decision - (and I might even have chose the 1 over the R) - but for this country and for the performance and price point, then I don't think there is any car that is better... the latest version of the R is a great drive in all weather (including snow!! - which we've had a lot of recently!!) - ALTHOUGH - I will concede that the M135i LCI i had (even with MPSS) surprised me in the snow with the traction off... nowhere near as good as the R, but I was able to get moving and drive around in it (which wasn't the case in any other BMW I've had - pre face lift 116D MSport (with goodyear runflats), BMW Z3 2.8, BMW 3 Series etc)...
Cool, thanks for the reply. I've heard much of the same thing from other owners (although it seems that there are a few going going from Mk7 R's to the LC2 M140i since the recent price drop in AU). Where I live in Melbourne it's mostly pretty dry, but the winter can be a bit wet but probably nowhere near as bad as the UK. I think one of the major put offs for me about the M140i is the ACC - I don't have it at the moment, but from everyone I've talked to they say that in the gridlock morning traffic to work, its a godsend.
there are volumes of owners going in both directions!.. it's just down to personal preference or people wanting a change.. and yes the ACC does help in stop start traffic (but I very rarely use cruise control either - the R comes with both cruise control and speed limiter (a very handy feature!!) - the M140 only comes with limiter as standard or cruise control as an option - you can't have BOTH - which is also a minor annoyance I had with it!)...
I'm starting to prefer the BMW these days. I'm getting bored of my R after 2 years in. It's practical, fast etc. Except the 2l 4 pot engine is kinda boring. But I don't think I can give up the AWD. To pull away quickly in pouring rain without any drama is so useful. And in last years brief London snow I was driving around, up hill etc with no issues on stock tyres. I know I'd love a 140i, but it would come with compromises :(
Long story short, I'm still confused what to do lol
Exactly the situation I am in... Deciding between M140i, S3 or Golf R. I live in London too. What did you end up doing?
great video! killing it joe! just get some T-shirts that actually fit.
In a dry warmer country the 140i is the car I would want, in the UK though I'll stick with the R, purely because I can utilise its abilities at every junction/roundabout in any condition. No question though that the 140i has the better engine with vastly better sound.
KingSadim you are right the bmw can be tricky but even when you aren’t useful it’s full potential it’s still faster than the r
Bless you
Love the video Joey, very good review and the Golf R is a crackin car but it’s not a BMW! Lol keep it coming mate look forward to seeing your next video every time.
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whats M light? just a word for a ''almost M car'' ?
OscarWithC yes. It's not an M2, which is more finely tuned. This is M Performance.
the ///140iA-xdrive is the best choice ever...the B58 Engine is one of the Best 6 cylinders worldwide !!!!
I’m a BMW fan but there is something not quite right with those 0-60 times. A DSG golf R in the U.K. market would be around mid 4’s if no less. The ozzy version must be so restricted for their market.
LOL no knob.....I am sure many will say otherwise :) BMW can't lose with that turbo straight 6 , RWD and ZF gearbox combo.
BMW its good but inner Space to small in Front!
So just get.
M140i xdrive one of the fastest hatches on track and straight line.
Hrm found my WRX upgrade such a good package from BMW.
BMW all the way for me. Cheers Joe
Those 0-60 times were way off. Lmao
Cant believe you met Maric. Legend!
you should come to germany and try the xdrive m140 i would love to know what your thoughts are bout that one
i couldn't agree more. use your vbox and do a 0-60 and 1/4 mile in the x. i've seen 1/4 miles in 12.3 but no 0-60s. how close to the rs3????
Unfortunately i do not have access to a vbox however i did a couple of 0-60 runs using a timer and it did a consistent 4.4
ok i know not every test is exactly the same but if you look up car and driver one of the usa's largest car magazines they did a test with an m240i automatic and got 4.3. i'm sure they could do better with an x-drive. the s3 was slower and the rs3 was faster. what i'd really like to see is a drag race (same time, same conditions) between an rs3 and an m240ix-drive. the difference in price in canada is $12,000 but i'm sure the speeds are closer than that..?..
Bob nothing sits with the RS3 unless it has been tuned. Especially the 2018 model 400bhp stock engine
I have had both cars, had the golf 7 R for 2 years and now have had an M140I for just over a year. The BMW undoubtedly feels quicker and not just from 0-60, when rolling it picks up so much quicker. In my opinion the BMW feels the more quality car. But I never find I have the same confidence driving the BMW fast on twisty roads than i did with the golf unless it is bone dry. This could be perception given the reassurance of the golf being RWD but the golf definitely feels more planted and controlled when pushing on. However thats not to say i prefer the drive of the golf, the golf quickly got a bit boring and in the end i wasn't that bothered to see it go, the problem with the AWD 4 pots is that they are too easy to drive fast and offer very little in the way of drama. Take the BMW out on a slightly damp day and it can be a lot of fun that you just dont get in the golf.
The BMW is a rwd in-line 6 vs the Golf R which is a 4 pot awd so no real comparison when it comes to driving dynamics, the BMW is definitely the better ‘drivers’ car!
Great review Joe. Although the 8 speed ZF is £1300.
Interesting the VW's engine output is pegged back for the Ozzy market and the BMW isn't. Makes me think the VW engine is near its limit.
The BMW i6 Turbo engines (N54, N55, B58 & S55) are held back in all markets. No where near their limits.
P.S I have a E92 N54 335i running between 400 - 450bhp with simple boltons and a tune.
hmmmmm: www.motormag.com.au/news/1711/volkswagen-golf-r-7-5-targets-sub-3sec-0-100km-h
Wait how does a Golf R hit 60 in 5.1 seconds with launch control? I thought it was 4.7?
It's the shit Aussie version that's why. UK Spec hitting that time trust.
Talk about detuned. The horsepower gap of 18ish should not equate to almost a 1/2 second lost to 60.
Jamalogo10 the torque is detuned too
Preferred the look of the PreFacelift R, either way looks better than the BMW imo... but 6 cylinder rear wheel drive has to win
Hi comments about the DSG are valid. Had a Golf R DSG and could not gel with the DSG box at all. Very little correlation between the amount of accelerator travel and an increase in speed. Sold it and bought a manual. Needed a new clutch after 4500 miles, I now find out it is a common fault with the manual in that the clutch is not up to the job. Now have an M240i with the ZF auto and it is a car on a completely different level.
I own a Golf R and have to agree that on a hot day it does not perform that well compared to a cool day.
Not a fan of BMW’s much but if we got this in the US i would seriously consider one
Hey US R has a volume knob.😁
Haha! Comparing a straight 6 RWD platform BMW with an inline 4, FWD based VW? I cannot speak for others, but for me, the decision is incredibly easy. Keep the VW, give me the real deal.
If the Golf R wasn’t de tuned the 0-60 would have been a lot more interesting
a bit too much high rising terminal from Joe here
This is really a testament to how great the Golf R really is, considering VW is not a luxury brand. In the US, the Golf R can be had for $40,000 USD (42K MSRP). The tune-ability is also insane on this engine. Stage 1 (software only) will net you about 70hp/tq for about $500. As I type this it's snowing outside and I took my kid to school in my Golf R on snow tires, it's an absolute beast. There is no better all around sensible car here in the US for the money. I do wish we had the 1 series available here, what a beauty.
Practicality/speed/build quality in one affordable package is the reason the Golf GTI is one of the most sold hatch backs globally. BMW 1-series are great cars but cost a lot more to get the same performance, also the 1 series has less luggage space/rear bench space which could make a difference for families/people needing to carry loads. I've owned several 1 series and loved them, but could only afford the cheaper 4cyl versions. Now I own an old GTI MK5 (got it very cheap from a friend) and it is surprising how fast and spacious it is. So I think the GTI is great for the money. If someobody has the budget to get a 135/140i that would be an even better drive, but the reduced space on offer due to RWD layout is noticeable.
Do you have the manual or the DSG?
Lox Lover wow your missing out not having the 1 series and that 3ltr twin scroll turbo flat 6 rather than a dull turbo 4 but yes you are right bmw + snow = written off / not going anywhere
RIP Butterfly :(
.01 of second difference 0 to 62 in a down turned Australian version of the golf R mmmm asks the question doesn't really??
BMW M140i
BMW M140i all the way 👍
Quicker at 0-100kmh with RWD. Imagine how much quicker it is from any rolling start.
BMW Fast in straight line ? Butnot narrow twisty stuff that could be other than bone dry.
keith morris you sir, are clearly
1. Not clever
2. Not a petrolhead
ZenGamer97 3- has never driven a M140i xdrive.