THE ULTIMATE SILAT BREAKDOWN!!! - Why you need to train this martial art - Expert analysis
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Welcome to my channel. This video is about Silat and deep dives in to the unique attributes that make it a great martial art and potential choice for self defense training.
I have extensive training in other styles such as Brazilian Jiujitsu, Muay Thai, Boxing, Sambo and others but have a special place in my heart for Silat and the Filipino martial arts.
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I train Silat....it's not a fly by night Art. It takes Years ....to get effective. My Silat teacher...always say ...back in old days people trained for hours every day. Not 1- 3 a week or every other week. Very complex....but when you see done correctly beautiful
I'm 66 years young when I'm 30 sometimes I have 3 training sessions in 1 day 😁 I was on a mission 🤣🤣🤣
When I was going for my red belt I trained 3 classes 2 times a week and alone at home every day , I was never the best in the classes but it made me staunch and humble at the same time . My high lights in my street days 2 times someone would try to punch me and I grabbed their fist before it strikes and say you really want to do this .
I took Kuntao. I absolutely loved it . But to pull everything off is really impossible . I'm not saying it can't be done the the odds are against you, though . Direct combat is best . My opinion is that it actually means nothing . Im no master of anything, but I did excel in Iron Fist and Palm training. Just picture getting hit by ball ping hammer 🔨. Light boxing skills, and I'm gonna pull the trigger to do BJJ . Due to if I ring someone bell , the 1st thing they will do is clinch up . Running won't be an option then . I'm not sure how many take downs BJJ has, but I'm willing to learn . Me being 6ft and I was 315 but dropped down to 253 and still losing weight, so I guess it's time for a whole body workout . But I couldn't see me pulling off all the moves in Kuntao . Can it work well ? I felt enough pain learning a little of it, so I guess . But I felt the pressure of BJJ, and it's not a comfortable feeling. No matter what I did, I was gonna put myself in a bad spot . Well, it felt that way . Lol . I'm not a competitive person, so competitions are not even my vocabulary . It's totally offensive, BJJ. I'm after . Submission ? Not even a thought I will break something . No, I'm against hurting people, but I have no interest in anyone hurting me as well . My gym does start on the feet as well on the floor that I'm looking at . Plus, Judo and kickboxing and catch wrestling . I am aggressive by nature, so going into a certain mindset is good . I want to pick up and slam and do all the illegals' move . It's not like I'm gonna sick around for law enforcement to pull up and arrest us both . Since my crappy state has no self-protection act law, it's bring your best and leave . In my city, I can't see a police officer arresting me if I wrecked someone . 9 out of 10, they have violence in their police blog . And if known to the cop for being troublesome, it will be case close .
Can you direct me to a school that teaches see lot in Massachusetts?
@kennethstevenson4694 where do you live ? Can't give us half a question and think you will get a correct answer .
Harimau Silat was developed for fighting in wet lands and rice paddies.
Sumatra Silat was developed for steep mountain terrain.
Brunei Silar was developed for fighting on bridges over water.
Seni Gayong Silat was developed for dry land on open terrain.
Penchak Silat was developed for sport.
Area of operation and context reveals how each Silat art was developed.
Not all fighting arts were developed for paved streets.
I enjoy your breakdowns.
Where I live many men like to head butt so it's dangerous to get face to face.
Pada dasarnya pencak silat dijaman kerajaan tanah Nusantara digunakan dalam seni pertarungan satu lawan satu atau lebih dan pada jaman kerajaan kerajaan dahulu kala sering ada perang antar kerajaan.maka pencak silat jaman kuno di gunakan sbg pertarungan dlm perang dialam terbuka baik lahan kering , basah maupun bukit terjal dan bebatuan
Harimau, elephant, mouserdeer or any animals Silat, it is just another form of self defence. I am from Borneo and I have trained in Silat too. Nothing to brag about.
@rogermoore4395 bro there is one silat animal that is harimau. Thats silat isn't kind of silat. That's silat only for those who has saka, spirit guardian pass down by your generation or I say A jins . So you talk rubbish because you talk no details what you claimed you learned it. Piss off dude. Don't brag about it? If you do learn silat, you should not ever talk shit about any other martial art.
I also learn taekwando, boxing, may thai and last silat but I don't talk like you karen
@@rogermoore4395No one bragging about anything except the fact that you bragging about you trained one
@@rogermoore4395 No one bragged about anything here...except you man.
Hello I'm Indonesian and I from Betawi ethnic Jakarta,I learn silat for 5 years untill now. Pencak Silat and Silat is so different, pencak silat is for tournament and so many rules in there, just like MMA or anything some like that. But Silat, there is no rules, Silat created by our ancestor from generation to generation to protect our self, not to attack first, remember not attack first. The key of Silat is the speed, if enemy throw one punch, you must counter that with 2 or 3 movement, and Silat attack the vital organ and body curves like a wrist, ankles, even hit the throat. Thats why Silat should not be used carelessly, except in cases of urgent. I'm so happy that you know Silat,best regards... 😁
Nothing to brag about pencak Silat. It is just another form of self defence. Other forms of martial arts like Chinese Shaolin, Karate and others have existed hundreds of years before Silat. So, there's Nothing to brag about Silat.
Silat is just another form of self defence. It's up to the individual's capabilities. Speed n Strength is the KEY. NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT SILAT.
Bruh you’re delusional if you think pencak silat rules are comparable to MMA’s 💀
You don't know anything, but your mouth do anything ! Come to Jakarta (Betawi) and try another side about silat that we said, "MAIN PUKUL".
You are not see the art in main pukul, but you feel the DEATH !
@@rogermoore4395Where did Silat touch you?
I trained in Pencak-Silat under Jan De Jong, in Perth, Western Australia for about 10 years. I had trained in martial arts before that, and since, however Silat is a fundamental part of my overall martial art system (along with Yau Hawk Tao Kung Fu and Wing Chun). I have been training for about 57 years and will always be extremely grateful for the solid foundation that Jan De Jong gave me.
Great shop too
you should go to Java for this
Huge respect.. ❤
Sifu...
salute mahaguru ..
I should point out, what, in my opinion, is the most impressive thing about Silat for someone, like myself, whose main martial art is Kali (FMA). In all of the Silat material on CZcams I've seen, there is a great amount of emphasis on transitioning from the kind of stance you usually see in Kali, where the knees are slightly bent, like a boxer, to a very low stance and then back into what I would think of as a normal stance. In my opinion, this means that a Silat practitioner potentially has a greater ability to outmaneuver the typical Kali practitioner and also to use the element of surprise better. If, for example, I had never seen Silat, it wouldn't have occurred to me that in a knife fight, for example, a person could close the distance, simultaneously squatting into a low stance and slashing his blade through my calf. In my Kali school, such a possibility was never dealt with in the training.
yes "proximity" the dance, if when the opponent misses his dance footwork step of (enemy) he exposes himself to your blade. i woas trained to move with his body. although trading shots is a bad objective.
Ooh here again old school ojibou , Apache, as well .take whatever the enemy leaves open.
I find that very strange your kali didn’t train in Silat. In my journey I started in FCS tuhon Ray teaches a lot of Silat moves. I then trained in jKD which also has strong roots in Silat. Now I train in modern Arnis an small circle jujitsu. Just seem everywhere I went we were studying Silat to the point it’s just part of my kali.
Lots of possibilities, you can even get stabbed in your foot !
Kali martial arts comes from majapahit kingdom soldier so yeah they're still a family of silat
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silat in word means combat/martial arts in general.
in the long time ago nusantara (SEA region) such as malaysia indonesia phlipine cambodia vietnam brunei thailand india china etc
who had combat system application n doing a fighting they (will called them silat/pencak/beladiri)
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that's why when china comes at indonesia with their kungfu n had spar/fight with silat, this kungfu blend n developed to kuntau silat, kera sakti silat etc bunch of them, each region had their own silat technic but the base is the same central line.
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in majapahit kingdom this kingdom had bunch of relation to each region n the soldier is using what we called kali at this days as martial arts base system. this militer martial art was born before majapahit era wich is singosari era.
so why kali who are born from java island indonesia from singosari kingdom n majapahit kingdom is big n exist in philipine? despite indonesia itself?
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bcs majapahit was down n in nusantara (sea region) who are stay in java all martial art was called as pencak/silat.
so after the kingdom era falling down Kali was blend with other silat combat system n born as new branch of silat.
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but in philipine there's some soldier who are still exist in there n teach the locals, so this martial arts was flourist in there n developed.
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however this martial arts still has the root with silat bcs in nusantara era this combat system was called as pencak or silat as well *silat kali
great briefing on silat.
I've been practicing a few martial arts since I was small, mostly Vietnamese Vo Quyen (15 years), and then few decades of various Silat styles, and Muay Thai, Krav Maga, and JKD, and street fighting. Out of all the disciplines I was studying, the Vietnamese Vo Quyen and Silat are the most deadly, as there are literally no rules, except that out of respect for your training partner, and because you want to keep practicing, we didn't knock each other out or crippled. But we could, IF we had to, because these 2 disciplines, are designed to kill in the shortest possible time with bare hands, or to 696 the opponent from continuing the fight.
Yes we did learn some flowery moves sequences as well, but I wouldn't dismiss them as you almost did by putting them as negatives. These sequences in fact taught us the transitions between various attacks or avoidances or defenses. Yes they may look like an art, but by performing them , you gain that flow and transitioning skills, which are not to be applied as you see them (soft and flowery), but you can excerpt various movements in the actual pounding strikes exchange. Your body will have muscle memory, and when you fight for real, you will use these mechanics your body will execute nearly automatically, without thinking how to turn or avoid or change the level of attack etc.
So yes absolutely, both Vo Quyen abd Silat Harimau (Tiger) or Pencak Silat are very brutal, they are destructive in the real fight, there are bones breaking, joints dislocations, skull crushes, throat punching in or breaking,, ear membranes damaging, eye gauging, twisting the neck rapidly, heart stoppages, liver and kidneys brute force, acupuncture points attacks, temples, chins, back of knees crippling,
I mean the brutality of these 2 disciplines is just like a double kill.
and I think you kind of missed it, thet both Vo Quyen and Silat are very focused on the conditioning, I would say even more than Muay Thai. We used to spend 2 hours on the warmup = total overkill conditioning, focusing on different body parts for the whole 2 hours. For example we would be standing in the horse stance, not defending ourselves, and everyone else would be bashing us all over, of course not hitting our temples and such. but really heavy bashing, so that we got very used to being hit, and we could really take a lot.
cheers!
PS
sorry for the lengthy comment. as you can tell it is my passion too
A suggestion for long replies: see how u put a space before the P.S. ? Put those spaces every 2-3 sentences ....it'll make easier for people to read.
Vo Quyen? Never heard of it,can you explain?
Also,have you practiced Viet Vo Dao? Does it have any peculiarity other than the flying scissor?
Thank you
Nice one
Fyi silat from indonesian
"fights are won in the transitions". Well said bro🙏. I found Silat in 2004, or rather got a chance to really see it. Old school Paul Dethours Bukti Negara after studying jui jitsu and Arnis for 18 yrs that art made me realize I know nothing. Amazing art.
Wet similar to my experience!
That phrase is gold.
I was a BJJ guy but saw a flyer for Paul Detours teaching a 2 day seminar at a school in Portland in 1996. I was fascinated with silat and how exotic it appeared. I ended up going to the seminar. It was so fundamentally different to the way I had learned BJJ that it was a slow process for me. But some of the clips I see on here really remind me of what I learned in that seminar. Don't know how this video came up in my feed but it was nice to see something about silat again!
@@inside_fighting Hey, had a random question: How do you think the muay thai clinch holds up against sambo or sanda style takedowns when it comes to clinch fighting? Is the muay thai clinch even applicable if the opponent is skilled with sambo and/or sanda in clinch fighting? I'm curious because I take kyokushin and judo, but I'm wondering if muay thais clinch is enough to bridge that gap. Figured I would pick your brain about it lol
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Firstly, your perspective on Penchak Silat is intriguing. It's worth noting that much of the Silat showcased on platforms like CZcams or witnessed in Indonesia and Malaysia tends to be externalized and somewhat restricted. It's important to understand that authentic Silat is a traditionally guarded and secretive system. Genuine Silat practices are rarely shared on social media platforms.
Also not to dismiss the mysticism aspect of it. I’ve witnessed silat practice sessions in rural villages in Indonesia where they can “fly”. I think it was called ilmu batin or something like that. 🤷♂️
@@Frank-md3ed: Yesss!.. A flying demon spirit was involved, as revealed by Emmanuel Eni (from Lagos, Niferia), in his booklet ESCAPED FROM THE POWER OF DARKNESS... Being at the level "top ranking" satanist, chosen inner circle of human undercover agents members - they were "gifted" with the priveleged to "fly/ levitate", they can reached any part of the earth, or any part of the galaxy, in split seconds duration!!..😮😮
The revelation of E. Eni in his booklet, was a corroboration of the Bible incident, in the "Book of Job, 1-2 chap." - in which satan said, his daily USUAL ROUTINE, was going down EASILY on earth- heaven circuit!!..😮..
The Bible mentioned "heaven" (Revelation 21:10-27) was pictured in year 1990, by the HUBBLE satellite teescope, published in Phils. newspaper in year 1993... It was located at the very dark edge of our galaxy, dark coz the sun ray range, was only 50% of the radius of our own galaxy.. Its aura was yellowish, coz the Bible said the mansions structures, including its streets, were made of PURE GOLD!!.. (Revel. 21:18, 21)..
It was year 2010, when I got four (4) copies of the subject "heaven picture", it was downloaded from a nearby community computer shop...😊😊😊
@@Frank-md3edyeah you can fly, but it use your inner energy.
@@Frank-md3edfly? How?
Guys, don't mention about those stuff on social media. The world wouldn't understand our secrets and the mysticism of the Indo-Malay society.
I learned silat since i was 6yo, From my grandfather who was a silat master. After he died, I continued with his friend.
After a few decades of learning, there are always more things to learn. Mostly spiritual stuff.
Silat is an art. Every movement has a meaning and reason, and not just merely a simple dance.
I've never entered any competition. However silat saved my life once when I had a motor vehicle accident, my subconscious responses avoided serius injuries. I did broke some bones of which i could have died if i didn't react fast enough.
duuuude, silat saved my life too. i only trained briefly tho. but even then, it is still useful. had a motorbike accident once where i was thrown into the air and landed several meters from my bike. bike was a mess. i managed to escape with a scar on my left sheen only.
those extra movement you said in silat is a programming, its called 'Bunga' means 'flower'... flowing bloming.. its like when a threat entered your bunga (also area/sphere of attack, your body will automaticly react to it by muscle memory the best result possible without the practitioner thinking (like its easy for the brain to remember words by singing or in a melodic way, its easy for your body to remember movement by 'bunga' or 'the flow'.. its like a flow of system the movement keeps moving instead of staticly stopiing and change the direction, flow has more momentum, u can redirect the impact) example, when u see the bunga palm outwards meaning those are for catching and grabbing, palm inside is to ready for a strike... so it keep changing and flowing nicely like a flower or a plant.
your bunga can change to a close and tight bunga depending who you fighting.. if you have more than 2 opponent they usually make a big bunga to basicly to register the distance for your strike combo. you already extended your limbs before you even fight, so they have to enter, you just have to received it and ready for the combo
the bunga after years of practise will make your strike and movement sharper and harder... if you only focus on practicality ONLY you'll miss the extra sauce of getting it sharper. it has no different than karate or take kwen do if you do that, static and stiff. thats why even for you after years of training your movement doesnt look like a master... compared it to the actual silat master, the form it self makes u think twice. the bunga is to help you lvl up your already capped strikes/combos. make it more deep flavor, just like u said, to hurt the inside rather than outside.
thats why silat masters strikes hurts longer
I love this explanation. Pasang bunga is really cool to see.
I started taking Silat recently and the thing that blows my mind about it the most is that it has opened my eyes to how many other martial arts suffer from many missed opportunities to inflict damage. Many other martial arts contain what I call "Gross Movement Damage" that get in 1 strike, kind of reset, to execute another similar strike. The Silat that I am taking, from the instructor that I am taking it with, has revealed there are many additional smaller scale strikes that can accompany the large scale strike. He equates it to music how the space between a whole note can contain notes down to 1/64 as well. Also, wasted movement is not allowed. For example, on an inside bicep limb destruct, I did the limb destruct and I brought my hand almost to my hip to set up for the next strike. (Remnants of ancient Kenpo training.) The instructor said, "Why are you cutting thin air? Never cut thin air as it causes ZERO damage and takes additional time." Thus, I am so far very satisfied with Silat. Don't know much about what I call "overhead encumbrances" of Silat as we are so far diving into combatives and not doing any forms or learning the usual martial arts lore, legends, braggadocio, lineage drama, etc. Haven't dance around like a monkey yet. :D
the dance move is like an anthem and a type form of greeting between disciples, so if you see someone claiming to be from your silat school, you can ask them to do the greeting, if they cannot do it then you know that hes a fake, you dont do this stuff in real fights.
basically, because there are more than a thousand silat styles, and there are many similarities between them, each school has their own type of greetings. we can know from which a person silat school is, like in pencak silat competition, before they fight they show these greeting, and its diffrent as to show people from which school theyre belong to.
For 12 years I studied the Jakarta Silat Beksi Traditional H. Hasbullah.
After I understood how long it takes, it turns out that Beksi silat is not just a martial art that relies on parrying and flexibility.
However, like boxing and muay thai, which train not many techniques, but only a few techniques and repetitions, it might be able to adapt to MMA or UFC events.
Beksi martial arts techniques rely on reverse punches, elbows and knees. Only when I discussed it with the professor who guided me, the reverse blow was used depending on the situation and in general we still need straight shots, hugs shot and upper cut.
My teacher's name is Sabenuh Masir. He advised that every martial art is good depending on the character and consistency of training.
Pencat Silat is a beautiful martial arts. Its a hard and full of traditional training. Respect for people that train in traditional martial arts. Greetings from the Netherlands 🥋 OSU 🥋
He explains the art well but doesn't reveal anything. A true silat teacher
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Kuntao silat is both complex and simple. It's very easy to forget 80% of your moves when your adrenaline is pumping and someone is swinging at you. But you don't forget your ranges, crowding the opponent, controlling the centerline, and taking your opponent down hard. It looks messy, but it definitely works when the pressure is on.
I trained ( and mi son) under "uncle" Singung Wilhem Detuars and he teaching both stiles penkat silat and Kuntao Silat, is a grand máster, mi son has black belt second Dan, singung Wilhem has a Book, great one. He Lives in Colorado, he is 93 years old.
@@luisalbertomartinez96😅
>easy to forget most of it when under pressure
>definitely works under pressure
Pick one.
@@folksurvival The fundamentals concepts described in the second part are easy to execute under pressure. It's implied from the context of what is written. Reading is also fundamental.
@@docaff Easy there sir, you cooked him.
I had exposure to Pencak Silat through JKD in the 90s, never had the chance to train it until early 2010s. I find it's really great, like you said, to develop continuous chaining of movements to control your opponent... essentially teaching you to finish the fight through behavioral training rather than having you consciously taking stock of the situation and deciding if there is more work needing to be done to finish the fight. You showed Maul's videos, and he is brutal, effective and really good at showcasing the art. I've been a fan of the Satria Arts from Steven Benitez in the UK and the teachers he's producing, like Alvin Guinanao, Jan Andler, etc. There is a beautiful efficiency they all display that attracted me to train a little of their stuff. I focus on Pekiti Tersia Kali mostly because it's easy to get to a school near me to train rather than the drive it takes to get to a Silat school... DC/Baltimore traffic is god awful all the time.
So glad to see you give Silat the accolades it deserves, but you are right, there does seem to be a lot of material front loaded in the training that it makes it hard to reach the level of competency and instinctiveness without just years and years of solid training.
Great video!!
Much appreciated! Sounds like your experiences are very similar to mine! It’s a wonderful style.
I'm in Sykesville myself I train in PTK,modern arnis, an small circle jujitsu.
Didn't know anyone taught silat around here.
I'm in Columbia and my jiu jitsu/muay thai contract ended a few months ago. Been looking for something other than MMA since. I may look into your school. Thanks for the comment
Beautiful breakdown.
It should also be noted that Silat began as a weapon-based system. Of course, later on thousands of variations took form with their own principles but unlike system like Karate, where it is primarily an open hand system, the traditional image of a Silat Warrior is a dude with spear/javelin, a sword/machete and sometimes 3 daggers (keris). The flowery movement and oftentimes, outstretched hands make sense. Because there are something very sharp at the end, usually. Also if you have a shield, you also extend it away from your body due to SE-Asian shields are usually very light. (and we dont have shield walls like the Vikings or Roman infantry formation, those things don't work well in thick jungles)
Thats also why its groundfighting is functional but rudimentary. That dude who fell..is well, toast. So they never really thought about extended grappling or rolling.
That said, Silat is probably the best "striking" system to pair with a specialized ground system because it is the most dynamic, as you mentioned, in transitioning high to very low stances and takng the opponent to the ground. (where the old silat warriors would take out their daggers and stab their enemy to death).
Great notes and additions to the video! Thank you for that.
If i am not wrong,Harimao has an extensive groundwork,with strikes and jointlocks.
Silat is a weapon based Art. Your body is the weapon and the techniques you learn are used with extended weapons ( parang, keris for example ). Of course some lineage changed it a lil bit over the years. The focus on sport for example. But traditionel or bela diri based Silat is still and should be train weapons.
Thats how you said the differents between the ground game from Silat and grappling like bjj.
@@junichiroyamashitayes Harimau lineages has this. But its not like grappling. Because you always think of a weapon or multi enemies. So rolling on the ground like in bjj for example doesnt make sense from that perspective. So its like in original comment was mentioned.
@@inside_fightingIndonesia at least has 150 different style of Silat. You cannot claim when you learn one style then you will understand Silat. Some of style have different pilosophy.
I like how Master Cecep is smiling. What a Smiling Assassin he is.
In my experience with Silat one of the other benefits in a traditional training method that it offered at least in Silat Serak were the Jurus. Or the shorter forms which I found was a brilliant way to teach the techniques as a solo practice without the more “traditional “ movements attached. Kinda like a kata shorthand.
I remember training Silat as a younger man in the 90's. There certainly was "something'" different about it that all were enthralled by , thanks for crystallizing why! My issue to add to your analysis was that we always sadly trained it in a static robotic way. The attacker would come in with one move and stay there while we would apply the technique- -just like the Kempo guys did in the 80's-hopefully it's trained differently now as those sweeps were so effective!
Also I've noticed something consistent. The more skilled a martial artist/fighter is the less critical they are of other fighting systems. Love the fair assessments of weird martial arts.
Thank you. I think people who love martial arts eventually realize that most systems have something awesome to offer and are enjoyable. I love the culture and history and movements from all the different styles.
Skilled fighters do criticize other fighting systems. My teacher who students were 10 Dans; did as he answered questions, " he'd say, I know because "my system has many kills in the field today(combat) im getting positive reports. Master teacher Sensai SegaL is a good example also. I think there should be an emphasis put on combat training in warfare & elbow perry block jujitsu wrestle in the dojo or streets. Great video
@@spiritualwarriorhealer6154 My isn't that skilled fighters never are or can be critical of others systems. It's that they typically #1. Recognize validity in many arts/aren't as biased. And #2. Are often to busy practicing and getting good to go around bashing on other people.
A lot of the CZcamsrs who spend a majority of their content criticizing and bashing other fighters/techniques/systems are, in fact, extremely low level martial artists.
Hope that made more sense. Cheers.
@@jelaneytaters8149 im not follwing you. Just to be direct. That was a false statement. My teachers were never on CZcams. Yes i agree their a lot of CZcams experts, which thats good thing. The to some legendary master Bruce Lee , criticized other fighting systems and challenged other fighters. Study up..
@@spiritualwarriorhealer6154 As you said. You're not following...it's whatever, don't sweat it.
I am a Kuntaw practitioner. Our fundamental arts are Silat, Kali and Sikaran. VERY fun, concept based system. Glad I came. across you channel.
There is a hybrid of Karate, Taekwondo and boxing in Indonesia. It's called Tarung Derajat and it looks similar to American kickboxing but with traditional elements. They also have local styles of weapon fighting such as Caci, Fitimaen, Pasola, Mekare-kare and Sitobo Lalang Lipa. Silat isn't the only fighting art in that country.
@Abinanta Maheswara No. They don't allow those in their format. That's why i stated it's similar to American kickboxing rather than something like Japanese kickboxing. Imagine something like Stephen Wonderboy's striking style in UFC.
The founder itself was a former Kyokushin fighter in Bandung
@@tacticalcombatfighter2787 Kyokushin? I thought he came from something like Goju Ryu Karate.
@@combatsportsarchive7632 I have a picture of him with BKC (Bandung Karate Club) Gi, BKC affiliated with Kyokushin back then
@@combatsportsarchive7632Tarung Derajat is basically JKD if Bruce Lee grow up as an Indonesian street fighter.
It's first made in 1972 named "Boxer", which later changed into "Tarung Derajat" to make it sounds original and have a unique name derived from Indonesian language, it's not "traditional". It's one of the world's modern day early mixed martial arts, just like JKD. It's probably much less popular than JKD worldwide simply because it's not created by someone famous like Bruce Lee lol
Anyway, even in Indonesia, Tarung Derajat's popularity is not as big as Silat. Because Silat is traditional and culturally rooted, while Tarung Derajat is a modern day MMA.
I train Goju-ryu. Our sensei has been stuffing our group chat with silat clips. We train these same principles just in a different framework. 11:20 and this is called nenten in Okinawa. We try to learn this as well. The concept is embeded into the school's name actually Go - hard, ju - soft. Nenten means to be soft most of the time but having ability to become hard at the moment of impact. This moment is minimized until the tiniest interval. That's how punches start flying like whips and gain the most destructive power. I remember a story of one dude who punched a guy in the gut during a bar brawl and later found out he broke his back ribs. That's nenten.
as a practitioner of goju ryu, do you think that silat is less lethal that goju?
Yes silat got nenten too, my sis is silat practioner and she said keras = hard, lembut = soft is needed in silat so you can change your stances or strikes quickly. If you learn history, Malacca empire did trading with ryukyu kingdom back in the day. What funny thing is ryukyuan did mess with our woman and our admiral kill them using silat.
So no Wonder if silat practioner back in the day absorb goju ryu style, i would said silat is the first mix martial art because silat absorb Others martial art and create their own. This is why there's silat called lian padukan which is based on wing chun. Chinese came to my country and teach wing chun but later on they realize they need to mixed with silat because how deadly silat is
@@boboboy8189 interesting
Love from Silat Spring Busang all the way from Sandakan, Sabah, Malaysia.
Salam dari sandakan
I learned Silat from Sifu Joseph Simonet. It's the base of my fundamentals mixed with Doce Pares & Wing Chun creating seamless transitions between all three.
Priceless!
Silat is all over Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Thailang (Pattani), Singapore, Filipine... And have different type. Gayong, pencak silat, cekak hanafi, halilintar and many more
I learned Silat Gayong Harimau Berantai but not finished it.. when the spirit of Harimau Berantai (maybe a jinn) enter your body, you can fight like an ancient warrior
For those wishing to see more of Silat, i would really recommend Suffian Beladiri by the legendary Maul Mournie or Silat Buka Lingkaran by Alvin Guinanao.
They both, afaik, have significant presence in US and Europe.
I have trained with both. Outstanding arts! They also compliment each other very well
Guru Maul is amazing to watch. I also watch Cecep and Yayan from the Raid movies
Some good points about silat in this video including far-hand awareness, proprioception, range/elevation transitions, and control of tension. I agree that pencak silat has a steep learning curve, but I enjoy decoding the complexity!
Growing up in Southeast Asia and being exposed to both Silat and Muay Thai, your breakdown of Silat is on point. Like you, what I did when I moved to the US was streamline the Silat movement, applying the philosophy of the economy of motion. As most of these martial arts came from traditional backgrounds and are steep in culture and religion, it is more than fighting arts, but when it comes to self-defense and practical application, it has to be modified to fit the modern urban environment. But overall, I love both arts, and it blends well with FMA as well. In summary, think of learning Silat like you are learning the English language and all its complex grammatical rules; read, write, and speak in paragraphs, etc., but when you go into a corporate business environment, you don't communicate like an academic but rather in business English.
You make a lots of sense. I did train little silat when practicing Jeet Kune Do because my Sifu likes Silat but later I went to Muay Thai. I like MT because of simplicity. It is not simple! but teaching and learning is modern thing. For example wearing Muay Thai shin gards and going harder with the kicks makes huge possitive difference and you learn faster how to protect against kicks and learn real speed or like 80% speed during sparing. And then what I found out that when with gloves my teacher can do everything with me, I am so bad ;) or he is so good. However from time to time we train without gloves, wow huge surprice, my forehands working, I can predict what my much better instructor want to do and I can protect from Muay Thai elbows like if I trained MT for many, many years and really my MT instructor was very shocked. More to that, exactly as you said, based on silat there developed many effective self defence systems for example Sami Combat System or MDS.
Muay Thai is after all the Sports version of Muay Boran and if you look at Muay Boran, it is very similar to Silat and Filipino systems (they are after all, cousins of each other).
The Sports version of Silat is Silat Olahraga and it is far more simplified.
@@muneirovalibas6194 Agree. Somehow it suits me very much. I am very good in kicks and I am very good in elbows and I suck in punches ;)
However thinking more about modern systems based on Silat or Panantukan like this one czcams.com/video/z4G8rgq329Y/video.html
I am similar :)
Kemerdekaan indonesia dari penjajahan tak lepas dari masyarakatnya yang ahli dalam seni ini, namun anda tidak akan menemukannya dalam buku sejarah secara umum. Saya berani Jamin kebenarannya karena saya orang asli indonesia dan melatih silat dari perguruan tapak suci. Jendral Sudirman selain pahlawan kemerdekaan indonesia dia adalah seorang praktisi tapak suci.
Video yang bagus, saya senang dan bangga menontonnya.
This has to be one of the coolest martial arts channels - LOVE that you cover different arts with an OPEN mind.
Most, if they cover other arts other than the UFC 4 (Maui Thai, wrestling, boxing and of course BJJ), crap all over any other. In my experience, every art has something to offer except Brutalism in architecture.
Great video! I was doing Northern Mantis kung fu and my housemate was doing Pentjak Silat and it was great for conditioning and the "marrying the dance" belt advancement was grueling. The guys would go to Thailand every year and stress test their system against muay thai guys. Became a big fan and love seeing it on screen with Iko.
Yes he really helped popularize it with the raise films. Some Silat guys really put themselves through intense punishment. It’s very underrated
Did They go to Thailand to stresstest silat against muay thai guys ??
If so do you have any films on that ?? 😅😅.
Would love to se that.
@@rheierstad they did but I don't think anyone was filming it, this was the 90s, after all. On any given Saturday morning, you could find the more conditioned students doing shin training on the parking meters on the street in front of their school. Impressive stuff.
Great video! I only did Silat and Kali for a year and a half, in my 50 years of ma's training, but absolutely loved it. Would do it again if given the opportunity. Lovely art.
Here's my two cents of it I'm a Malaysian here btw and other than Indonesia our national martial arts is also silat but, if I train a martial arts system from someone. But then I have to go home to tweak that system so that it become more effective in a fight because the movement is to complex that's just a waste of time, energy and money rather than doing that why don't, I just learned a martial arts system that have been proven to be effective in a fight in the first place where I don't really need to tweak them at all like boxing,bjj, wrestling, and HEMA( for melee weapon fighting ) I be saving a lot more time and I could learn a lot more techniques because I'm saving a lot of time by learning the ones that are already effective. Also when it comes to fighting usually the most effective move is the most simplest one or kiss method as someone said ( Keep It Super Simple ) because of how chaotic the nature of fight is and, silat is the opposite of simple. So yeah! If you think you're willing to waste your time,energy and money learning a martial art system form someone and then having to tweak it yourself in order to make it more effective than please by all means learn silat,kungfu or aikido. This is just personal opinion btw so no offense.
True most of the bs can be handled by a good jab cross combo if we're all being honest here. Boxing is number one for self defense.
Boxing is great but I don't know if it's number one for self defense. I'd put my money on a wrestler over a boxer in a street fight... or a sambo guy, Muay thai guy etc... If weapons are at play then any FMA guy etc... Boxing has positives and negatives just like any style.
I just want to say:
1. you meet a wrong silat teacher. because he cant explain you what the meaning of the juruses that he thought to you.
2. you were not patient enough. you want to learn it in the instant. while the silat system you seen before needs to reprogram your mind and body with its standard movements and philosophy.
3. you meet the wrong style/school.
KISS..
I agree with it. but you have to understand the basic fondation of the styles/school. after that you can see how simple is the movements.
currently I learn 3 traditionals silat styles. they have very simple movements. one of the jurus is just a regular swinging your arm like you were normal walking.
but it can be lethal movement for your opponent once you know most of the meaning behind it such as timing, body mechanics, strategy, etc). It happened to me.. I poke my silat brothers eye until it's bleed with that jurus.
after that I believe the story that in the old days, a master can kill his attackers using that jurus while he was holding his baby on his other hand.
Ppl who say Silat doesnt work : Micka Illouze, hand to hand combat trainer for French Special Forces, Brice Postal, former contractor for French government vs narco-terrorists in Africa and South America, just to name 2 i know really well, are silat masters. Silat works IRL if, and only if, you also train any classic boxing art (boxing, thai, french box, kyokushin or KB) in order to train the sparring aspect, learn and feel combat physical and psychological damages, distances etc.
In summary, it's a fantastic self defense art to practice for any martial artist who already know how to fight in a ring ! Try it guys, you wont regret !
Great notes
Those three main principles you mentioned at the beginning, center line, outside and inside gates, bridge the gap, along with relaxation, are also the foundation of both Wing Chun and Jeet Kune Do (the latter taking many things from Filipino martial arts too).
Great video.
its the basic understanding of human body
You're the definition of Mix Martial Arts. So far Dustin Porier the only guy who manage to implement them instinctively and it works well against anybody who try to exchange striking with him. Underrated Striker wish he make a comeback he deserve a belt.
The Diamond is STILL my favorite fighter! Such an entertaining fighter and a very cool, humble person!
I still love how you provided your own theme from your own mouth. Your potential in music arts is blooming, my man.
mad lad.
Working toward a career! :)
I wasn't intending on watching a 20 min video, but you kept my interest with your knowledge and interesting points. Big fan of those loose heavy handed "smacks". I definitely like to keep things simple. I feel like the same certain moves can be found across different martial arts no matter how the rest of it is packaged just because they work. Thanks for a good video.
Thank you for watching. It’s quite interesting as i agree that many traditional martial arts eventually have principals that other ones have. Sometimes in combat sports those principals are lost i find.
@@inside_fighting thanks for reply. You have a new subscriber. Do you ever put out instructional videos? I always wanted to learn double sticks - it took videos from at least 5 different sources and a leap of faith that I wouldn't bust myself over the head, but I actually got pretty good at certain things and it's fun. Look forward to more videos as a subscriber.👍
I've Trained Pentjak Silat Poekoelan Tjiminde Since The 80s, & It's Phenomenal. Great Video!
I train silat almost 15 years, in the same time i train muay thai, bjj and boxing. There are many types of silat, some of them more like art style some of them more combat style but in competitive today silat compe sparring u can have do a bit judo, muay thai, box a bit. What i want to say is, always try adapt what you have to fill the gap what you learn..Thats all
great points Mochi!
Loved this - thank you for making it. Silat is such an interesting art. Tried it only once, and it was baffling, but in a really good way. I really enjoyed this clip.
Yes man,the great BRUCE LEE also discovered it (I think Dan Inosanto showed him PMA and some Silat-styles,his
best friend ,you mentioned him).
He was very good with his WC -trapping already,as far as I know he liked the PC-trapping,he included it into his JKD
(free-style combat Kung-Fu)for a reason !
Another Bruce synchronicity, didn't know that, thanks! ;)
Silat from NUSANTARA (Malaysia,Indonesia,Singapura,Brunei,Thailand, Myanmar, Filipina). 😊❤
Myanmar? Thailand? 😂😂😂😂😂
southern thai do have silat, for Myanmar I'm not sure@@penontonyoutube7543
@@penontonyoutube7543..why? There are malays people who live there (in specific area/ region) for generations... so i do think the statement is somehow acceptable..💁♀️ you might want to check the fact out..
Most of malaysian things are copy paste from indonesia, Especially with regard to culture 😂 Because almost all of their ancestors are actually Indonesian... Silat is purely indonesian martial arts
ah malon.....kamu selalu bermimpi 😁😂🤣💥
Silat is a spiritual martial art. During the initiation ceremony, the Guru will download a Guardian(pendamping) your invisible friend. To activate, all you need is to recite a certain verse. With the Guardian, your wounds will heal very fast and in times of emergency it will help to protect you.
this is true but this practising is not apply in todays modern islam, because its associated with Jinns and it is forbidden and the biggest sin in islam to associate partners or ask protection other than Allah. But the old generations doesnt know this because islam wasn't a common practise yet so they thought it was some sort of a guardian angel but its jinn helping the human to fight against the colonizers back in 1800-1900. I know this cus my dad a famous silat gayong guru in Malaysia kedah, and he used to have so many weird and powerful spells like a guardian white tiger guarding his farm cus ppl keep stealing it but once he knew it was forbidden in Islam he dropped all of it. and now hes 90 years old and keep getting disturbed at night almost everyday by the Jinns that he used to have that he thought was a guardian angel this is also the trick of Satan. and just yesterday he said a shaytan just grabbed his feet while he was sleeping, when he was in his 40s he was very small and short person but can fight 1v7 a gangster chineses that used to created chaos in his area and ppl also can see behind him theres a huge black shadow always behind him. And if u associated with jinn first its the biggest sin adn you will get the worst hell in the hereafter. 2nd, ur body will be worse in the long run bcus the jinn is residing inside of you you. 3rd you will become a very emotional person always get angry at the smallest things bcus thats not ur emotion thats the powerful and angry jinns inside of you whos background are from Silat gayong thats training to kill colonizers.
I would say you're RIGHT--- I have had 1000+ encounters over my 40 year career- and only lost 2. I MATRIX arts.. I study- remove the redundant parts, and repetive combinations and anything that is against natural body mechanics- and what is left- WORKS-- every time!! I have a 5th black in kenpo and of the hundreds of techniques- I matrixed it to about 10.. that ALWAYS work..(in their particular situation. ) I've done several arts this way- and SILAT would be a good one to matrix.
pencak silat was born from the colonial era in Indonesia, so it was created at that time for one purpose, namely: to kill effectively, and there were no movements like dancing like now (only a few, maybe 1-3 movements, and even then to take a stance) ....
pencak silat is indeed a deadly practical martial art, .. please note, the negative things that you don't like about pencak silat (because a lot of movements are unnecessary?) are actually for ART / art purposes... there are a lot of philosophies in it, art is also current so the subjects at pencak silat colleges that have been officially registered....while there are still many who haven't registered who don't even have the ART of movement for performance..In West Java (Indonesia) the art of movement is called development, which is purely for movement art not for fighting...so, those who understand pencak silat properly will know, that everything is important, for beginner-advanced levels there must be this development..but for master level and above there is no more, because it already has outside power/strength and from within his body... being able to adjust his strength whether to destroy, or break, or kill, all of that must be mastered by master levels, .. where these powers are rarely exposed.... rarely on youtube etcl .......
One more thing, the power of pencak silat is not only external...but also has inner power...which would be difficult to have in this day and age...
Pencak silat is real for Fighting (physically), but in Indonesia it's not only physical but also non-physical addition (metaphysical)....and for treatment too...but it's hard to master all of them, but if the pencak silat is good then 2 other aspects of metaphysics and medicine/healing can also be mastered, ...but those who master 2 aspects (only metaphysical abilities and medicine) are not necessarily proficient in martial arts.....hopefully they don't understand haha...
I'm sorry I corrected it, silat is a martial art that existed before the colonial era, long before that.
Sorry, thats wrong. Silat has been exist for thousand of years and nobody know the origin. There's only 2 theory were proposed. Its originate from sailor. This is famous theory were proposed saying because of pirates, someone create this martial art to fight them.
But another popular theory is its actually originate in West sumatera where one day there's a wife Who got beaten by his husband, one day she saw Tiger fought another tiger and she learned the way how Tiger fight, so after that happen, when her husband beat her, she use that moved and beat the crap of her husband
I’ve got to say thanks for such an in depth look at Silat. I clicked on this not really knowing what to expect. I’ve been doing FMA and Chinese boxing for years and once in a while would run into someone with a Silat background, I was always intrigued but I’ve never been able to train in. You’ve got me jonesing for a chance again.
Start with Silat Suffian Beladiri, many videos by the honorable Mr Maul Mornie.
Glad you watched it. it compliments FMA more than any other style ive trained.
About your observation, that if that haymaker comes at you, you have no time to do all that fancy footwork.... you may be right... but most of what you see in the CZcams videos of Maul is for educational purposes.
By training the footwork, you will gain a deeper insight of the mechanical aspects at work and with that, train the haymakers from all variations, intensities etc... and in the end, the footwork will make total sense... and the haymaker is just a mechanical thing.
If you physically hang around with Maul more time, (or join a study group near you) you will understand that everything he teaches is adaptable to every situation. And there always is a shortcut to the intentionally prolonged techniques.... the longer versions and drills are an educational element to learn you the correct postures. Biomechanics, no nonsense.
About the "complexity". It's for learning you options. There is no "overkill" in silat as you can only "kill" once... all the follow ups are for entertaining purposes 😂😂😂
Good video! Thanks.
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Thanks for sharing. I imagined that was the case. Randall had a similar approach. I suppose it comes down to the student as well taking the techniques and learning to apply them as he can.
love your insights. I've trained in filo MA for over 20 years and about 7 years of Silat. 🙏🙏🙏
I sparred against someone who did Pencak Silat, and boy was I in a rude awakening. It actually influenced how I approached FMA, given the fact that I only know the basic approach. Joint manipulation where you wouldn't normally think of would just pop out of nowhere (no pun intended) and the vital areas being hit flawlessly with speed can really get you off guard. I didn't have taps on my moves before (the heavy slaps you were talking about), but thanks to my sparring experience, I now practice it out of habit. It's complicated to approach, and is also very, very intimidating to fight against, which means it's difficult to even have a template of what a "normal" Silat user would do. And that's it. I also notice that their moves are compact; within their space of reach. Which means that you rarely see them overextend or overcommit. Again, basing on my sparring experience, never rigid. At all. Completely relaxed, and are fully aware that I was in their grill, and anything went. All they need is one entry. One.
If you want to practice more about Silat me as an Indonesian i suggest you go to Indonesia so you can learn the true meaning of Silat so u can understand more about it. Silat is about art, dance, how to understand all silat movements, how you adapt to sudden threats, and the most important thing in silat is how to always stay humble, how achieve calmness when making decisions, and how silat as a media to improve your relationship with God as your respective creator. That's a key if u want to Master all silat important aspects.
Greetings from PPS Betako-Merpati Putih West Papua, Indonesia 🙏🕊
Ok I listened...most of this isn't new. I do this in Wing Chun. I think Silat it awesome. I say promote your art. But most of all people just train in whatever you want...meaning, again TRAIN! If you wanna learn to fight, fight...if it's for health and fitness the then train that...there are tons of great fight arts out there....Us men get trapped in our ego and pride....that's where I was for 20 years. I could go on forever....good video
Thank you for watching. I agree also. Train in what makes you happy as you are most likely to stick with it. That is the best martial art... the one you stick with.
great points
im 58+ yrs old
I learned yrs ago if you have no root you have no fruit.
great points.
I train in Kung Fu and a lot of stuff you've mentioned is in our curriculum particularly the Soft power. I did other martial arts that had that Hard style like Karate prior so it's been hard to untrain. Silat seems similar in that we both understand the value of soft.
Was actually training and discussing with my Sifu in the difference between trying to swing a weighted bar at someone vs swinging ball and chain. You feel the tension and weight throughout the bar while swinging but with the chain there is a disconnect and all the weight is at the end but there is more freedom of movement and speed. Then you have power where you don't even need the momentum and its just presses/sinks into you like a grenade exploding inside you and that's some higher level stuff.
Silat is something I've been interested particularly some of the take down, wrestling/grappling and ground fighting/striking. When you talk about the ranges and division in the body we have that approach but what I think you guys have that we are lacking is we attack inside/outside depending on the system but we don't really deal top/bottom so I've been looking at the system for inspiration in my own training and skill set.
Sounds interesting! Kung fu styles are something i want to explore more as i have limited exposure to them but they look fascinating.
I want to try Choy li fut
@@inside_fighting CLF is good. But since you’re already used to connecting and closing the distance in a Silat/Kali way, you may actually find you like Wing Chun best out of the Kung Fu styles. That’s why Guru Inosanto mixes wing chun with Silat and Filipino arts. 👍🏼
Silat using both hardness and softness. This is why its quick to changed stance and striking.
Thanks bud. In one country in South East Asia that practised Silat the people are sceptical and start to stay away themself by absorbing other martial arts that they deemed fit. They do not see the beauty, the art and the deadly move in Silat. They see it as no more than a show to newlyweds.
I had exposure to Silat , so I took a shot and it cleared right up.
🤣🤣🤣
From what I've experienced, the flowery movements and forms are great ways for first-timers to step in to Silat. My very first exposure to Silat is actually one of those forms that practiced with traditional music. And you can almost tell if one is good practitioner or not by looking at their forms. If its looking good then he's probably good, because the forms actually has a lot to prepare you with. Stance and hand movements are one of them.
When I train Silat, at least half the times it will be forms, and the rest is the technique.
Anyway, good insight from your perspective. Cheers!
Silat is infused with religion in Indonesia because many rural people still believe it and the goal of silat(usually) is to build strong morality and character(nowadays) .
It should be noted that Indonesia is under colonization many times with recently the dutch which means that martial arts are a big no no in public and usually transmitted in the family.
Why the kata looks much dancing, maybe because the system is built on feints and deceptions to go inside.
I'm not a silat guy but I'm living here in Indonesia.
Thank you for clarifying that. How do you like living there?
@@inside_fighting
Its a slower life and expenses can be cheap if u know how to managed. Most mma gyms are in the big city though.
One thing to add, i spar once a silat guy in my kyokushin class, t
He really like to sweeps.
Too many silat styles in my country lol maybe like 20?
@@christopherhermawan9627 that sounds amazing to experience
@@christopherhermawan9627 there are more than 300 silat school only in jakarta alone.
styles that like to sweep a lot (guntingan) usually a silat sport practitioner. the traditional ones rarely want to gunting you except he wants to bring you to the ground fight (like silek minang often do)
I'm a silat student. I learn sundanese silat style and have many friends from silat traditional practituoners. before pandemi, we often have a cross style discussion.
In Malaysia, silat never banned by British. That because British using a tricks to invade us. Weird thing is Malaysian silat are much more slower than Indonesian pencak silat. According to my friend, its to make sure we use tenaga dalam while fighting and not Just physical strength.
Hi, my nickname in silat martial art is lekiu.. im practicing Seni Silat Gayung fatani, which is in Gayung family, but gayung fatani more to touch n Go movement.. not locking opponent body.. gayung fatani is about muay thai+silat.. at where i came from, gayung fatani and spelet tapak 3 are the traditional silat we had.. it take years and everything i’d learn in past are affecting my every movement in daily things.. interest fact about silat, if you do have silat in your heart, person who practicing silat can sense it by the way u walk, eat and etc. In my hometown, perlis, elders in every territory could determined your presence to their place, not to specific, but they will know what is your intention in two categories, which is you come for peace, or revenge.
Looked cool in The Raid movies which is why I started learning lol
Yea that was great promotion for the style
The "esoteric" aspects of Silat train the mind. Having a sense of complete awareness and. Connectedness to everything gives a calmness required in any self defense.
No Silat guru would ever get entangled on the ground. Every apponent has 4 friends and at least two knives. One-on-one does not exist. The competition fighting is a phase one practice.
Silat is the only martial art that would encourage you to train with other masters or Gurus or Sifus or Sensei. Most instructors or systems seem afraid of what you might learn from another instructor, or be lured away.
Silat workshops are the least expensive trainings you will ever attend.
The mixing of striking and grappling is something I'm constantly bringing up to ppl as a wc practitioner.
My knowledge of framing, trapping and deep understanding of the physics behind a human body makes me able to spar with bjj black belts and hold my own even if I don't train it anymore(judo) I can easily use stuff from striking and apply it to grappling like sticky hands/traps or push strikes to name a few
All the hand sensitivity styles help grappling IMO. It's underrated as a skillset.
Been active in several martial arts in several styles. Organized around aikido/tai chi principles & including combat systems.
Your grasp & presentation are excellent. I say that from a lifetime of experience.
MLH&R, my brother from another mother. Here’s a true Silat story with a bit of advanced techniques.
It was the late 70s or early 80s in NYC. My non career time revolved around martial arts at that time.
So I heard a fair amount about general goings on in the NYC martial arts world.
There was a Pan-Asian Festival in Central Park. One of the key advertised attractions was a battle between two Silat masters from different schools.
It was rumored that each wanted to be Mr. Silat in the city. So I knew that they would both bring their A game.
So did a couple of hundred other people. Ninety percent of whom thought walking the circle with occasional direction change was bore-RING!
A couple of guys near but behind me said so, in a stage whisper. Without taking my eyes or attention on their movements, I said if you don’t continuously watch closely you will miss it because it will happen in a split second.
A couple minutes more of circling. Then one made a credible move to get a leg scissors throw, which the other master immediately tried to counter. This created a slight weakness. The first master had not followed through on his initial attack, but instead in a split second managed to complete some weird initially sacrifice counter that left him mounted over the other master positioned to deliver a coup de grace.
I later applothat lesson in a different set of techniques when my life may have depended on it.
But the $2 take home message is that the path to mastery requires intense attention to key seemingly minute or important details.
As a separate note, aikido that doesn’t demonstrate kobudo atemi opportunities without striking does students a disservice because they lack muscle memory for the street.
In the scariest situation I was ever in, I first threw a hard attack at the jews of the guy in front of me.
He, being a garden variety street fighter, threw a low cross block counter. My arm never rose up relative to my body. But I had been practicing the iaido rise from cross legged sitting a lot that year, my whole body rose, and I went over his perfect form low cross block. I hit him so hard his buddies scattered. With a year less training I might not have known to do what I did.
I have never regretted making martial arts an important focus for me all my life.
And no, I’m not saying this to glorify myself to KB martial artists. I do it to show that slight details can yield drastically improved results in bad situations. Which is one of several good reasons to study.
And I hope that s what people take away from this.
Attention to detail, people. That’s where you have to go to get good naturally.
Hope you liked my Silat story. I really like your focus and content. I still learn minor but useful details from things I see on channels like yours that really go into a variety of systems in depth.
As Bruce Lee said, study everything. Incorporate what works best for you
And don’t obsess on the fingers pointing at the moon. Look at the moon. A lot of people don’t get that.
-Matt’s dad
You should have added that sport silat is predicated on not getting hit. One of the few if only combat sport where points are lost due to being hit hence why the sport aspect is wildly different from TKD Karate etc
Good point
I read comment section and i found it full of dozens years of training multi-martial arts practicioners with in-depth technical and philosophical statements. This guy attracks masters.
Well I am taking that as a compliment :)
Yo, i've been around in MMA and a lot martial arts channel, never found such comment section like. Commonly there are fans. This one exceptional.
I had some training with maul mournie. It was so great. The power, coordination, timing, body mechanics… I really learned a lot. Big kudos.
Maul Mournie is a LEGEND on youtube. And he has a bad ass name lol
@@muneirovalibas6194 If you have any chance attending a class of him go for it. In real it is best but he also has online training. Also in person he is a great, friendly, humorous and professional instructor.
@@HerbertSimonDachs I've always wanted to but never had the chance. But now that you said it, i think its a sign. I had training in Silat Macan Pasra, which is more of an Indonesian style which favors very low stances but I should switch to Mr Maul's since it seem a little easier on the knees, now that i'm a bit older lol
@@muneirovalibas6194 hehe yes, his style is more tribal and in spite of having the low squat technique it is not used a lot. He posts the classes regularly on insta. I also had some online classes. Best when he does partner applications. At the beginning it is very basic but it gets quiet challenging over the course of some lessons. Check it out 😁👍
Amazing review. I have been training in Silat in the UK for 2 yrs and love it.
Thank you and glad to hear you found this wonderful system!
I like the concept of this channel,it seems focused to answer questions i had for years. One thing i really interested in are the body strikes of various styles of kung fu,with the shoulders,hips and thighs and so on,because i am focused on using the whole body.
I will do a video eventually on a striking power in different styles! Great idea and thank you for watching!
you're right about the ground game of silat. it's a big negative for the art. it always assumes you have the best position on the ground...and the other person is helpless
maul mornie states multiple times that those many steps are just for seminars. In self defense situations i think it will be simplified
if you have good eyes, you can see that when Maul show the application, the opponent will dead in the first 3 moves. but Maul still do many moves to give the alternative if the application failed and we still can have finishing moves
It's nice to see a non-South Eastern Silat practitioner who talked in depth about Silat. And for your information ;
When you talked about silat have so many unecessary movement is because we South Eastern Asia nation are a very attractive place for European Colonizers to come and stake their influence with deadly force, so brutal, that the locals are banned to practice Silat, as it is can be used as tools for fighting the current Colonizer. To circumvent it, the local use Dancing to some how hide the existance of Silat peactices as Art Performance, and it seems the Artistic movements still brought along into what shapes Silat as it is today. A trivia of Silat History.
I can't talk for the other styles but Kun Tao Silat is really a great martial art to start with...No other Gong-fu or Kung Fu or Karate or any other sort of TMA can even compare to Kun Tao Silat...Kun Tao = Chinese Blend of Silat...has pretty much all the best stuff from several martial arts all rolled up in one system...no flashy bs...its all Brutally effective put together for maximum efficiancy!
Speaking of Guru Randall Goodwin he is hands down the Best Silat Guru you can find in North America same like Kun Tao Silat
no one can even compare to Guru Randall Goodwin!!!
I haven’t seen him in years!!! He was amazing at silat
I'm a Chinese Malaysian and in the 1970s, I used to train in a style of kungfu called Poket which has probably died out now. It was already dying out in the 1970s when I joined and I believe that my sifu was the one of the last practitioners of it. He used to be a triad member but retired later and became a bone setter and triad referee. When I asked what that meant, he told me that he basically tried to ensure that nobody got killed in triad fights and treating those who had broken bones. They would send those seriously injured to the hospital, but as seldom as possible as the police would be asking questions.
It was a Chinese triad martial art which was first developed in China to fight the Manchus and drive them out of China. Later, it morphed into a martial art style which was taught mainly to triad members over the years, especially in Malaysia. However, by the 1970s in Malaysia, old fashion triads were being replaced by drug gangs which had no tradition or honour, and mainly focused on getting rich as fast as possible. Up to the 1970s, martial arts practitioners, especially their sifus would fight each other for bragging rights. My sifu had his share of them. They used to fight Silat masters to test their art, and my Sifu would always say that Silat is a beautiful art but useless in a real fight. His experience was from a series of challenges with different silat masters in Malaysia, from different styles, including those from Indonesia. These challenges were not like the mixed-martial arts sports nowadays but were old fashioned no-holds barred combat sports. It was relatively common in those days but underground.
In fact, many Chinese kungfu sifus from that generation had little respect for Japanese, Korean or Malay martial arts. And this was derived from their experience in fighting them. However, they had a lot of respect for Thai or Indochina martial arts. Not because they had superior moves but because of the training they did in a relatively simple martial art. I was always told in the 1970s, that Thai boxers trained their whole life and had fighting experience to boot. And during fights, the Thai boxers had the power, speed and stamina to basically overwhelmed their opponents of different styles. I think that my sifu would have liked to trained in Muay Thai, but because of tradition and honour, only focused on his art.
You at about 2:30: I hate it when idiots say Silat doesn’t work in a street fight. WHAT?! really? Silat is for killing! Most of those trolls that say that mess are idiots and if they don’t know Silat would get REALLY HURT in an open sparr.
Great video! Life long martial artist. Mostly shotokan karate but have backgrounds in kung fu, tkd and dabbled in Kali. Been an LEO for over 30 years so I've been in a few fights and scuffles. I never understood Silat until this video. It looks awesome! I wish I was younger because I would love to learn somewhere. Subscribed.
Thank you Sir as well as your time serving us as.l a LEO. #respect
Great Video, but I have to clarify what Maul, the founder of Silat Suffian Bela Diri does in his demonstrations, he prolongs the fight to teach the art, but he constantly says things could be ended in one, two or three moves which depends on the situation and your own awareness.
Yes that’s correct but the method of changing continually seems to be common in Silat in my experience. The whole overkill mentality.
I trained silat PD in Queensland Australia for 11yrs my instructors were Stephen collage, grant Norman , Russell Denise. And grand master for Australia was (spelling) Don meleraham.. loved everything about silat and all the people were always to support you..
Maul Mornie is great. I love his footwork and sweeps. Subed his channel for years.
I tryed some of his footwork and sweeps at WT training.
It's highly effectiv.
His movement is great
If you get the chance to attend a physical seminar with Maul Mornie... go for it! Nothing beats the real experience. Also, Maul has great humor. 😀
Being able to successfully defend against multiple opponents in real life has been the strenght of it for me....
Thanks for the video man. I'm not that familiar with Silat and Kuntao practices, but as far as the Chinese influenced ones. I have seen some of Bob Orlando's, and Ron Kosakowski's stuff. I am more familiar with iron palm from several variations that I practiced when I was younger. From the description of what you experienced with the soft relaxed wave power. It sounds like it may be some form of iron palm. The legitimate practices were designed to transfer striking energy to the bones and internal organs instead of just striking the surface.
Learn history man... Kunlun or kungfu now, Israel from silat..
Nice too so many Silat Fam here!
I grew up in a Silat family. I trained Silat Perisai Diri for 20 years. Added Muay Thai and MMA. Started with judo as from 5. Silat is in my blood my Indonesian roots. I lived in the Netherlands.
Hormat, Salam Bunga Sepasang 🙏🏾🤎☀️🌴
I watched the whole vid now. Bro we could talk for days about Silat. I’m really happy hearing this from you. People never understood what I was talking about and always in discussion with kick-boxers. When I started Muay Thai, I needed to learn to box with gloves. But that was it. I was faster than all of them with way better strategy and action reaction time.
Because the Serang Hindar (action/reaction drills) will teach you to react from any angle and situations until it becomes Bela Diri (instant kill, no complex movement) it’s very effective. Especially in sudden situations, you’ll react as an instinct. I was drilled hard as a kid with grownups, my cousins/teachers. I do miss it sometimes the family thing in a dojo.. thanx for the great video.
Another amazing video!!!!!!!!! Keep them coming ❤
Thanks very much!
I'm a Wang Chung guy loose 15 years, if you look at Adam Chan kung-fu report and go to his oldest videos there's this guy Steve Smith that's basically the same spiritual and moral Wang Chung style I was taught. It's super versatile, so simple it confused the hell out of me for years. I've never seen people talk about the steping drills I was taught, or wrist conditioning, almost no internet content is traditional Wang Chung. It's basterdated pretty badly, wich deserves to be made fun of. Love your content.
17:05 i can make this point clear for you if you want :) i i was on many seminars of them and maul for example told us for the bigger learning effect of the seminar to prolong technices to add this and that to it to make the application more complext to cover more things that accualy can happen in the transitions and stuff like that. there is for example one basic block and counter that is very straight forward and you could finish with it quickly but he is adding after you training this for a time more stuff to it but at the beginning of the application you still doing the first and simple block and counter and thennnnn add to it. So you have like long and complicated movement at the end but trained the simple and fast stuff alllllways in every reperticion at the beginning of the training. i hope you get what im trying to explain. my english is maybe not the best haha.
My Sifu trained with Uncle Bill & Ed Parker. Over the years of practice, he was able to merge his Kenpo with Pentjak, Wing Chun, & Doce Pares. I would bet you might agree that these all flow together with precision and almost seems perfect.
Thank you for your amazing explanations.
So Good!!!
😂 10 points for the opening theme song
From what I see, that "extra movements" in Silat is like suppressive fire in terms of military. It's not simply making movement to look pretty, it's making low energy moves to discourage your enemy from entering your "inside", and you get better reflex response if they do try because your limbs are already moving.
Nice…thank you for sharing!
Pencak silat comes from many regions in Indonesia, has different basic movements, some are smooth and full of elegance. there are also some that are so simple and deadly. But from all that, pencak silat is not just self-defense, because in pencak silat the first thing taught is how to protect oneself internally, whether it is the basis of life or the soul and mind. It's not about physical fighting.
Great stuff!
Totally appreciate what you are saying here...the big message that screams out to me here is.....taste a system to experience tool development for your own training...this is a wonderful thing. Keep going bro...so refreshing to see and here this perspective....looking forward to your visit here in Toronto! Just to add on as well: I think you know this already...there are so many biomechanical similarities in all arts, combat sports, and combatives, so...really, it would be stupid not to explore them all, embrace, and integrate back.
Correction silat is also in Malaysia in its various forms
Regarding working in a real fight on the the street silat has a proven record in wars and various forms are taught in Malaysian and Indonesian military
"Acting like monkeys" there is a difference between silat art and silat in combat
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
I began martial arts training in 1968 with my uncle and his best friend, both of whom fought in Korea and Vietnam. They spent 20 years in the jungles fighting and in Okinawa training, then brought it all back to Brooklyn, NY. They called what they were doing, Kakuto Ryu Jujitsu because they were friends with Moses Powell and Jujitsu was big in Brooklyn back then. It was actually a mix of Okinawa Ti, Chinese Qi Na/Kung Fu, FMA, and other styles they picked up in Southeast Asia. I also spent 2 years in Israel training KM with the commando units during the first Intifada.When I went to the Philippines, Japan, China, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. and trained with practitioners of their own styles, I discovered that most MA masters can be very territorial and claim their style is the real one. I like Israeli KM (not the commercial crap) the best because it claims no particular school or style, but just takes techniques that work in combat from all styles. And once you've tried all these arts, you find that all of them are one and the same, if they are honest and come from actual combat hardened practitioners/masters. The tools might be different, but inside fighting in combat is inside fighting period.
Don't forget about Betawi style of silat best in my humble opinion
which betawi style?
betawi as native jakarta or betawi as one of the kuntap styles?
FYI In my understanding, pencak and silat are two different things. When you first learn, you must learn pencak first. Pencak is the rough movement, how to train your body, and other rough things that you do to build your mind and body. When you are done learning pencak, come to learn silat. And what is silat? In Indonesia, we have the word silaturahmi, which means make a friendship, or may be bonding. It doesn't translate well, but in simple terms, how to win without fighting. When you learn silat, you'll learn how to control your feelings, how to react to something, and how not to show what you're capable of, because in a real fight, it's nearly impossible to not get injured.
original silat is have all movement like wing chun and muay thai already
good breakdown and points in this video! Silat has a huge bell curve learning aspect and time is limited. practice what you like but round out your weaknesses/biases