It's actually a chess fighting game (Checkmate Showdown)
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when i play chess in real life it's also a fighting game
dangMinkus
yeah alright I’ll +2 that
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Chess boxing pog
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Daigo clears Magnus in this game for sure.
Seems like they should make the attacking advantage way higher, because in chess that advantage is basically 100%.
Particularly the king on defense should be a free win to stop the games dragging if one person is way better at checkmating.
Basically anyone who is a known name in the FGC clear Magnus, there is way too much Fighting Game and not nearly enough Chess in this. There's a reason the demo was out for so long, yet literally not a single Chess Streamer/CZcamsr even bothered with it.
@@ZionSype Sincere question: HOW do you put more chess in it without it just literally being a chess game?
@@SamuraiFoochs The advantage for "Taking a piece" in Chess needs to be way, way, WAY more substantial. A Grandmaster level move that should equal Checkmate relies entirely on you winning the Fighting Game round where the only advantage you have is that you start with an Ult and they don't. That is NOTHING if your opponent is even slightly more skilled than you.
Taking a piece should immediately take 2 bars of health AT LEAST, and even that's only a start. In chess, taking a piece is 100%, so making it a 50/50 or anything even close destroys the game. They need to give an EXTREME advantage to whoever is taking for the Chess to matter. An incredible Chess move can become a game-losing move if you lose, because not only did your entire plan get cancelled, you've now lost a piece AND given your opponent tempo. Losing when you were the attacker is something that should be EXTREMELY rare.
@@ZionSype @ samuraifoochs The biggest issue for me is that the King has to be defeated in combat. That should be removed and traditional checkmate set ups should count as wins (the King putting itself at risk when attacking is okay). Allowing pawns to capture without combat is good balance, but if I were programming this game I would give players the option to sacrifice a few seconds of clock time to capture with any piece without combat. This would balance out the problem of FBC champs being able to defend against chess grandmasters, but it won’t overly favor the chess player because 1 - They can’t stop fights their opponent initiates 2 - They still will risk losing on time if they don’t fight to capture
one of the rare times where NL saying "you piece" is literal
not in a million years i thought i would see NL get on TRAINING MODE in a FIGHTING GAME to PRACTICE COMBO ROUTES... hope to see im play this again
It is, afterall, very accessible to new players 😅
no way. this is pog
Holy shit, are we finally creeping closer to a fighting game arc? I've been a wreck since Rumbleverse ended
I’ve always been a passive NL fan, but Rumbleverse had me absolutely pogged out of my gourd for every single stream.
Nah, NL is the polar opposite of a gamer that would enjoy fighting games; NL loves an easy win, hates losing, and doesn’t want to practice to improve. This is legitimately not a shot at NL, he himself has more or less described himself as such (with other words obviously). FGs on the other hand, in order to become competent, essentially requires you to constantly be losing and practicing certain things. I would love an NL fighting game arc, but it’s never gonna happen if SF6 didn’t catch him.
@@NewbPhil I agree with you in part, but people vastly overrate the training mode aspect. "Practicing new things" is something you do _in matches_. "Ok, next time we run into a Honda, we need to make sure to use parry when he goes for the buttslam," or whatever the case may be. NL says he's bad at fighting games, but he has proven in Rumbleverse and now within just this video that he actually is constantly improving, figuring stuff out, and actually managing to get some Ws by playing the toy baseball RPS mind games. I think his stated opinion on fighting games doesn't actually line up with his actions, and I am hoping he will see that someday.
Also, I just want him to do a little coaching stream/video with Sajam, how fun would that be?
@ agreed, the best players spend the most time playing matches, not labbing (although I suppose their execution is already on point). That said no fucking shot NL gets into a fighting game, FGC is the epitome of the kind of gamer he hates and justifiably so, as much as I think he and Sajam would host a brilliant will it kill casino sesh
"pogged," "gourd"?? psssh we see you, welcome back brother
I really like the visual pun of the Bishop being a martial-artist monk.
I love how the fighting styles correspond to their chess moves. Horse has L shapes above and below, bishop diagonal, queen's meter/staff is pretty omnidirectional visually. It's clever
An old mortal kombat had a minigame like this one. Pretty fun.
Ah yes, Chess Kombat. Worked surprisingly well. A pawn could get a lot done if you picked your main and knew combos.
deception i think
Yeah it was MK Deception, also had Puzzle Kombat.
@@gray007nlmotor kombat perhaps?
@@flatterswhite Nah I don't remember it having that, I *think* there was a third gimmick mode but I forget what it is, it definitely wasn't Motor Kombat tho.
Imagine how hard Bobby Fischer would rematch Spassky in this - bro had killer instinct
You have to fight the king to checkmate him? 😂 Let's get Levy to play.
"No such thing as a pawn assist"
*instantly kills him*
I would love to watch a 100 episode series of this where NL undergoes an Anime style transformation from big noob to big boss and begins to dominate the online scene as a master chess player and fighter
Sadly the big egg would probably never bother learning all the fighting game jargon
@@itisi255 if he likes it enough and the players don't elevate too high above his level, I'm sure he would get into it. he loved rumbleverse for a good minute, was even learning tech like a mad man.
I saw this on steam and literally was thinking "Well egg's gonna play this next week"
1:29 Novelty card decks are the same way.
I had a deck of cards themed around the Lord of the Rings movie as a kid, and whenever I’d play with my grunkle he’d always have to ask what each card was, especially with the face cards. The art on the cards was just promo images from the movie of various characters, with the only indicator of what card it was being the corner suit + number/letter. Super poor readability.
Hand and brain in this game would go so hard!
Coming soon ;)
NL: I don't know the controls for the fighting game, I'm just mashing.
Also NL: Refuses to even open the controls menu.
If you have to go to controls to learn how to play the game, then the game fails on having an intuitive design. Everything should be laid out within the scope of gameplay itself.
@@anon7730Fighting games are supposed to be challenging and you are supposed to discover combos and good neutral by yourself.
@@anon7730 How is that even a response? Like let's just grant that this is the worst game ever and they did terrible job communicating the controls intuitively, it would still be the case that "you should open the control menu" is a great response to "I don't know the controls."
@@anon7730 you obviously dont play fighting games. the only way this response would work in the genre is if every game played the same 😭
bro stfu respectfully. its the same comment a dozen times under every video WE GET IT
Yo, Chess Kombat in Mortal Kombat Deception was my jam, nice to see there is finally a game like it.
this is the look into the alternate timeline where NL played guilty gear and im terrified
NL hitting the Dragon install
@@zynstein8059 oh cmon everyone knows NL would be a pot main
@@kenpatchiramasama1076 while your probably right the mental image of nl learning the funny install combos from xrd is too good to pass up
i am pretty sure he played persona 4 arena actually, back in the machinima days
I love that people think "Oh cool, I don''t need to move out of check" and then get their butts handed to them because they didn't move out of check.
You would really tell how balanced the chess/fighting game dynamic is when you get people who are good at both to try it. We would maybe see how much more the chess positioning matters because in higher level play the ult and assist exclusively matters a lot more.
Knight seems so OP
I feel like if NL ever properly got into a fighter he'd love it - Once you're past the basics it's all mind games and outwitting your opponent, which given the warcrimes we've seen the man commit in toy baseball, he'd excel at
Once
If you a monster at fighting games and simply avoid pawns you dominate this game
The assists and ults definitely matter too. Like it's 95% fighting game, 5% chess and when that 5% actually matters the game is at its best.
Reminds me of fps chess
I feel like they shouldn't have gotten rid of the rules around checks and mates. I think that's why it loses so much if the "chess" bit. Make the king skittish and only able to fight when he's backed against the corner. And force the other pieces to protect him. Maybe they can add it as a mode.
the ending score card showing up before the fight was even over was cold
I love how the knight trots in combat
i like the juxtaposition of 18:23 and 21:52
Classic egg
holy fuck its like chess boxing without actually needing to box someone, this is awesome
I love that he treats hanging pieces as free even though he continues to lose fights
This is just what Chess needed to become mainstream
Nah, all it needed to become mainstream was Anna Taylor Joy and Niemann's vibrator scandal
chess is already pretty main stream. this is just a boost
31:52 the most hype command grab in chess history
I see a golden age ahead of us. With this, cobalt core, and backpack battles… holyyyyy
Aware
This is a game that NL won’t completely like playing because he doesn’t like the infusion of chess and fighting games but will continue to play to prove the doubters wrong and show that he can get very good at it.
He do be attacking and defending at the same time tho
31:57 that SPD was POG
This is a golden age of egg content. Backpack battles, SAP, Cobalt Core, Chess battles. Souls like playthrough. It’s too many pogs to handle
NGL this feels like the most fun NL has had in a while. And I'm here for it.
Shame this game is 90% Fighting Game and 10% Chess otherwise NL would be unstoppable
Oh wow! This brings back so many memories. If I remember right there was a MK game that had this feature, and I absolutely loved it.
As a fighting game player, I'm pogged the hell out. I thought rumbleverse was the most we'd see.
Could definitely watch nl play more of this
36:00 38:30 NL - tip here but pawn "assist" is the best because even if you win, pawn takes your knight/bishop "for free". Pawns basically give insurance that makes it piece for piece in these situations.
showdown strategy here goes:
rush king
if you can take a hanging pawn, consider doing so, if you can take a piece with pawn, consider doing so
a pawn is hanging if its only protected by the king which is great for rushing king
protect your pieces with pawns(except king), don't take pieces protected by pawns
big brain: you can protect king with pawns by having them block check locations instead
pawns are simultaneously the weakest and the strongest pieces because they don't initiate battles
edit: looks like you picked up the pawn strats in the Daigo video
I love how the knight is a mix from Hit (Dragon Ball Super) and the Jojo stands
I love how NL said he’s better at the chess part and then proceeded to completely ignore chess strategy and only engaged the opponent and fought instead.
This is definitely a game... Who it's for I don't know
There were a few chess & Chess Boxing events on twitch and Melee tournaments are also relatively popular. If the fighting mechanics are good enough I could see this becoming a thing. Thats a big if though.
@@cinemaker321 we talking about chess and fighting games, what's melee got to do with this?
@@hopsys everyone likes smash now old man
@@cinemaker321 The chess needs to be a bigger deal. I think fighting with the king is dumb,
I know this is more fighting than chess, but NL whipping out the chess lingo is, like, half the appeal of watching the chess gameplay anyway! Stoked for this, would have been fun to see what had happened if he lost the last fight, and then just watching him take the king with a pawn
This is like an updated version of Battle Chess
I love the Knight's animations.
What a bizarre concept, good to see u have fun with it tho
Isn't taking a pice protected by a pawn a pretty bad idea in this since you could loose your piece if you loose but if you win then is just a trade
Also going for the f2/f7 pawn seems like the move
@@lml9915 My thoughts exactly, always protect a piece with a pawn, and in this game the king does not defend pawns.
It's an interesting thing to think about
how funny would it be if this is the game that finally got NL into fighting games
I have been waiting so long for a Fire Emblem style strategy game where every attack turned into a fighting game battle just like this one. I just never expected it to come to fruition as a literal chess game.
yayy hopefully this leads on nl going down a spiral of playing fighting games online against people, i feel like hed find the mind game’s very interesting
We want to see more chess content still
nl using a total of 2 attacks is the type of play that gets me pogging out of my gourd
The instant dub in the first 8 minutes went insane. I can't believe he clutched the king fight when it was his third fight ever and he entered with like 40% HP. God gamer.
Each piece is based directly off an anime/trope. The rook for instance is a wrestler where as the knight is based off power system from an anime called Jojos Bizarre Adventure
Its not really relateted to anime tho
The rook is basically every big body/grappler. Like Zangief in SF or Potemkin in Guilty Gear. The Knights clones r pretty similar to Noob Saibot's clones from MK fights etc
I guess FGs have always had inspiration to anime sure but these r all recognizable fighting game archetypes
this is nuts
Me, pogging: He knows Justin Wong, dude!
This reminds me a lot of the old 1984 EA game Archon. I love the concept.
OG 👊
It's wild that he went over 30 minutes without even considering pressing the special button when it's one of 4 possible face buttons
reminds me of the chess game mode they had in mortal kombat... that game mode was the best. excited to try this
This reminds me of wrath unleashed for the ps2. That was the real chess game turned fighter
He has completely forgotten all the lessons learnt about neutral in Rumbleverse
He’ll have an epiphany while waking up at 2AM to evac his guts again.
We’ve entered the golden era of content
Simply no choice but to boost the algy on this one, keep it coming king.
This reminds me of when Egg rinsed those goblins in Rumbleverse, and it’s got me POGGED OUTTA MY GOURD!
mortal combat had this as a mini game years ago
This was amazing.
Chat saying 'you don't jump in fighting games' is wrong and they should feel bad. All depends on the game, the character, and the context.
Bro is allergic to his ultimate
Now we only need to mix 5d chess into this
how did i miss this when it first came out...? i wanna see more fwiw
Question for loremasters,
Did NL ever play Ourobouros King on stream?
16:31 IDONTHAVEAROOKANYMORE
It was dumb how the enemy king was just sitting in check for half of the final game. If they forced you to address being in check, that would at least add back some of the strategy of chess. Tactics like discovered checks to capture other pieces wouldn't even be that good, since you still have to fight the pieces to win them.
this gives real MK Deception chess vibes and im here for it
Reminds me of Basewars, the nes baseball fighting game.
Battle Chess was the bomb back in the day .
Going home and grinding this immediately brb
21:53 Weird rant to go on after he already used "hit confirm" correctly.
the chess part is a lobby for the fighting game
This fire
Clash mini wit extra steps
You combine chess, which he's good at, and fighting games, which he's whatever at, and he's great at it?! The damn NL effect
this is sick
Play more of this game pls!
This game has me pogged up
not the Justin Wong... there's no need to bring the daigo parry into this... let that man rest from his nightmare
Sometimes games seem like a good idea until you think about them... This never seemed like a good idea tbh. Chess poker was similar. You have to be careful of one game being highly more impactful than the other
I gotta be that guy and say I want more classic NL chess.
45:30 got me
Awesome game!
You piece!
New rumbleverse
was that self esteem by the offspring?
as someone who's big into chess AND fighting games, this game sounds like an absolute win!
Thumbnail got me sweatin
Wild timeline we live in
Dude has sa 4080 and plays Checkmate Showdown with Wii graphics on fucking Medium settings.
I've never seen someone be simultaneously bad at chess and a fighting game.
You had a free bishop into a check and instead you decided to give up your bishop and then throw away your queen.
He had that spot covered by his bishop and his knight and you just went, "Hmm, yeah, this looks like a winning move."
The worst part was it actually worked because the AI was playing on dad mode.
Mortal Kombat chess was kewl they need to bring it