The Bible and J*sus Have Been COMPLETELY Misunderstood!!
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- Please enjoy my interview with Michael Camp about his journey from Christian missionary through his deconstruction journey!
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Im 61 years old and watching you from central KY , i grew up scared to death of going to hell , I've felt a lot of resentment your channel is a real relief so appreciate you sincerely
All you need to do is accept the Lord as your personal Savior and believe that He is who He says He is and that He died on the cross for the entire worlds sins, otherwise we would all go to hell when we die
That is just so primitive thinking. I’ll pass on your wrathful god
this is amazing! I can say the same. I am young though.
@@deborahdavis2329lol
@@landonmatthew I really appreciate you young people !!
Loved this! It’s better to have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned. ❤️
becuase answers that cannot be questioned means dictated.
@@nightmarerex2035 rock on both of ya
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this interview! I had the best thing happen to me a little over a year ago - after meditating daily for about a month I became aware of the voice in my head and that was amazing! That led to an experience of nirvana for almost 4 months - pure bliss and I remember thinking, “this is what it’s meant to ‘be saved!’” I felt like the top of my head had been opened up and the universe was pouring itself into me. I completely severed my ties with the church (had been dedicated as a baby, ‘saved’ when I was 4, baptized when I was 8, went to a Christian high school, etc). I always struggled in church, Sunday school, school because I often had a broader interpretation of the Bible. I can also see auras (which I think everyone has the ability to see) and until I was 13 I thought everyone could see the colorful glow surrounding people, trees, animals. My mother freaked and thought I was possessed by the devil 😅. So I always knew we were just energy, that we are not these bodies - we are far more than that. If people were taught that we are god, that we are divine, that we are LOVE how much better life would be! Forget this brainwashing and telling people you’re going to hell and you are scum essentially unless you ‘accept Jesus into your heart.’ There’s that unconditional love that’s so much talked about. Gah. It’s so nice to hear other’s experiences and journeys.
I totally agree 👍
I loved ur comment! I too can see auras & I recently (this past Wednesday) went to a family member’s funeral. As I sat & watched the deceased sons, husband & lifelong best friend give the eulogies, I was looking at how each person’s aura extended so far from their bodies & the brightness of the colors. When the Preacher started his speech, his aura was very tight & close to his body-not as bright as the others. Not to seem judgmental, but I guess he wasn’t as emotional as the others were so maybe that explains his aura. I wanted so much to compliment the others-to tell them I could literally see their love & emotion-but of course they might have thought I was crazy😂
@@TammyCondrenI love this! Yes, I’ve noticed that the greater a person’s emotion (whether happy, sad, excited, etc) the larger their aura. So cool. The trees auras have been magnified over the past 6 months or so, which I find fascinating. I only know one other person who sees auras (there are probably more, but it doesn’t naturally come up in most conversations 😂) so I found your comment very exciting lol!
I can't beleive there's people who would disown their own children because they have different religious beliefs. Here's an idea: *DON'T* have children unless you're ready to accept and love them for whoever they are. A child is not your property. They are another soul. An individual. They don't have to conform to your beliefs, whether religious, political, societal, or anything else. Don't have a child if you have set expectations for them. I can't stand people who try to brainwash/program their own child to think a certain way, or to have a certain career, or anything of the sort. NEVER make a child feel like they're not good enough just because they're not what YOU expected/wanted them to be.
Beautiful comment! Very well said! I agree completely!! Love & Light❤✨✨✨
I hear your words Nakatsu San. I feel your pain in the words. Reminds me of a story. I will tell it only as my weak mind remembers it.
There once lived a farmer who had many great fields. He was wealthy because of the great crops these fields yielded. He and his only son worked these fields together. One day his son fell from a tree as he was trying to harvest some high fruit. The son broke his leg. Many people came and offered their condolences to the farmer and said we are sorry that your son has broken his leg. Now you will not be able to farm as you did before and things will be bad. The farmer answered “We shall see.”
A month later there was a huge war that developed and all the able bodied men were taken for soldiers. The farmers son was not taken as his leg was still mending. The villagers came to him and said “it is a good thing that your son was not taken to war seeing that most have died.” The farmer answered “We shall see.”
The story continues with more…..the moral is simple yet hard to accept.
It is the same as the story of Joseph sold into slavery by his brothers! ❤
Word.
You have no idea how I wish that were so that parents would allow you to be who you are and not some copy of them. Not only was I brainwashed with that stuff, but I was encouraged to let a Narcissistic abuser continue to abuse me time after time because I had to "forgive" indefinitely, and forever, and was given no other alternative.
Yes, a Faith Deconstruction Coach! We need more people like him!!!
I love your discussion. In my early life I was sent to a Church of England school by my parents, who were atheist and agnostic. I asked the pastor and a few others what is this God thing all about and got the usual answer that God so loved us that he sent his only son who was then crucified and dies for our sins. That did not seem to me to be a very loving God. Also, I could not understand what guilt and fear had to do with love and forgiveness.
Long story short I then studied and practiced Buddhism via practicing Shaolin Kung Fu and then Taoism by practicing Tai Chi, then Yoga and the Vedanta which has a lot to say about God and deities, which is why it is said there are over a million gods in India.
When my life fell apart, with business failure and bankruptcy, I finally had no choice but to go back to Jesus. So, I became a follower of Jesus, but not part of any specific Christian Church of which there are many. I understood that LOVE was the answer and that is the principal commandment from Jesus - Love God with all your heart, mind and strength, Love your Neighbour as you Love yourself and most radically Love your enemy. I had a number of experiences which showed me the power of Love, Prayer and Love your enemy. Understand that and practice that and you will find you are on the right path. After all Jesus is asking us to have an experience of what it is to walk with God, not an academic theological discussion about it, as interesting as that may be. Whatever the problem Love is the answer.
I think all religions do the same thing. I was raised Mormon. You could not question what you were taught. I'm 71 and left in my late 50s. You do get a little shunned when you leave. The Amish shun family that leaves their belief system, Muslims shun their family that leaves and the same with Jews and probably Hindu and Buddhist. The first thing that turned me off to evangelical Christianity was the shoving of eternal hell down your throat. It meant my active Mormon kids and grandkids were going to be burned and tortured for eternity. I have since looked into total reconciliation and that definitely makes more sense. NDEs also help you see a different perspective of the afterlife. I DO NOT think anyone on this earth has ALL the answers. I totally put my trust in the one who created me and I call Him Abba (daddy).
I do feel Him taking care of me as I go through this latter part of my life as an older single woman. I do believe He IS LOVE. ❤
Yes neither male nor female
Buddhists do not shun family members who do not believe as they do. “When the student is ready, a teacher appears” - a Buddhist saying that you will come across the concepts that expand your soul when you can handle them, even those that take you away from Buddhism. Buddhism might just be one bus stop for your soul; for others, it might be the final destination.
"God is bigger than the Bible."--Raymond Moody
Wow! I can’t even elaborate on the timing that this video was uploaded and I came across it. ❤
Thank you Michael for sharing your message with us! Great interview Melissa!
You are very welcome! Thanks for your support.
This is an incredible interview! This man is a teacher!
I'm not going to lie, I have a serious problem with the idea of God sending his own children to an ETERNAL hell. That just can't be right.
No such ideas in Hinduism / advaita vedanta or Nonduality. The Abrahamic religions teach about hell as it was the only way to control the mediaeval population there.
God doesn't send you to hell. People send themselves to hell by not believing that Jesus died on the cross for them and rose again on the 3rd day
No one sends themselves to hell
The dead are conscious of nothing according to the Bible
He gives you free will to accept him for who he is or reject him, you have make the decision to accept his free gift or not, if you reject him you send yourself to hell
It was called The Way. Calling them Christians was a derogatory term. Jesus said He was the Way. He also said He was the Truth and the Life. I think that's ALL we need to know. He came to teach God's LOVE for humanity. ❤
Jesus is symbolic of love. Try this. So wherever you see the word Jesus in the Bible, use the word, “love” and you will understand better what and who Jesus is. ♥️
That's interesting, because in Zen Buddhism and Taoism it is also called The Way (Tao means way). There used to be old scriptures which indicated that in his youth, Jesus studied early Buddhism (Ch'an) in a monastery in the Himalayas and became enlightened. He traveled there with his uncle Joseph of Arimathea. That could be the reason why his teachings are so similar to the early Ch'an teachings.
@@tshaika9165When the Buddha became awake or “enlightened” then Jesus lost his mind. 😉 “I Am” is the way, and the truth and the life. As the I Am was before “all” that is! It is the I Am that is within all things! 🤞🏻😂
Best interview on the channel. I am currently deconstructing my beliefs. I come from an evangelical/charismatic background. Very helpful in my journey.
This guy is right on the money, he sees it for what it really is, same thing I've been trying to tell my family
This was gold! Just bought his book. Thanks both of you.
hope you love the book!
This was so healing for me.
My whole life I have been able to see spirits and auras and connect with the spiritual realms; Christianity tells me this is demonic and bad, even though I see beautiful things and can pass on healing messages…I was always so confused because Jesus said ‘these things you can do and more; but then religion told me it was bad. I feel much more settled about it all after hearing this interview.
Don't allow others' opinions to influence you, listen ONLY to your heart where God dwells, HE will never lead you astray.
They want to control you with fear.
Definitely one of my favorite interviews on this channel. I don’t see how anyone could challenge what is being said here. Or, (at the least) make you look at things from a different lens. So many people are under a trance.
Love this channel!
I'm so happy to hear someone's story similar to mine in many ways. I need to learn more from this man!! (He's more mature than me) 😁
As I have Islamic background faith,
I see NOT only Biblical and Old Testament texts showing contradictory faces of God, but also the Islamic Quran too has the same contrary messages, so religions in general have the same issues.
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It's sad to see so many people following blindly. I say God gave me a soul, a brain, and the curiosity to question the world around me. The more questions I ask I more it is easier to see how we are all brothers and sisters from the same family divided by our pride of believing our one group has the one in only correct message from God. After my journey through life I have settled on believing that religion is mans best attempt to explain God, but as humans we can't fully know what the other side is like until we get there. Until I get there I will try my best to be a good person and try my best to make the world better even if it's in a very small way.
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Hi Melissa, I too am a deconstructing Christian (from NZ). Adding on to this interview with Michael Camp, I have found the work of James Tabor very helpful. He wrote a book called "Paul and Jesus" and has a CZcams channel. He is a professor of religious history and his lifetime of study has been about the Apostle Paul. I hope you have a chance to check it out as it's another piece in the puzzle. I found it helpful because I lived my life, including a 35 year unhappy marriage, believing the sexism in Paul's letters, and that the Bible was not to be questioned.
Thank you for your channel - I found you via your interview with Alex Ferrari and I watch your videos very regularly. X
Questions are good. I dumped paul, and this calvin, thank God! Kept Jesus from the gospels. Very different.
Only a few seconds in but right up my alley, too! 😄😄 Congrats on the 70k, btw. Amazing and deserved.
I really appreciate this channel!
My dad passed away in 2006. That experience really started a gradual deconstruction for me. He was a devout Christian, yet he suffered in agony for 2 years with stomach cancer. I have been back and forth with my faith, returning when I feel God is upset with me...feeling like a guilty sinner. Eventually I stopped going to church (my wife goes by herself). I've been in the closet about my lack of faith with family. On the phone recently my mom asked if I was going to church. She was not happy with my answer and said, "well you know what your dad and grandma would say, they would say you always should be there" she ended by saying "thats not what the bible says."
Wanted to add that she was also telling me how the Methodist church is accepting of homosexuality, and that her church was breaking away. She seems to have a lot of hate in her that I don't understand.
then they are trying "fear" by telling you "what the bible says"....God is not a God of Fear I am beginning to learn.......I'm no expert....but I completely understand
Excellent guest. Thank you!
In my home city, Buddhist monks were visiting our Anglican cathedral, which I then belonged to. They remarked how beautiful and serene the church was. They noted there was a chapel in the wing of the cathedral called the 'meditation room'. They requested use of the meditation room for - you guessed it, meditation - while they were visiting. The Dean of the cathedral refused their request, on the basis that they were not Christian, and their version of meditative prayer wasn't going to be a fit for what we considered appropriate. Since that, the name of the meditation room was changed to 'the contemplation room'.
What that sad but beautiful lesson allowed me to realize, in my own deconstruction/self-inquiry process, is that when the supreme reality invites you to deepen your appreciation for what true faith and love means, you fundamentally have one of two choices: RELAX your boundaries, or ASSERT or your boundaries. Funnily enough, corresponding to the classic spiritual choice between love and fear. Love always amounts to ego-denial, fear always amounts to ego-defense. Every choice you make in whichever direction you choose will get you more of the same, until such a time as you elect to choose differently.
I love my parents because of who they are! Not because I was threatened that if I didn't love them they would beat me, torture me, abandon me, or whatever else. God wants us to love Him for who He is, not serve Him out of fear of burning in some hell.
You're right. I don't believe the divine wants fear-based followers..that is not what Christ taught..except the story of the smiting of the fig tree that didn't bear fruit..do I have this right? Has always unsettled me..since Yeshua taught love.
It’s not to say that the concept of hell is for us to be tortured. But hell is real
Your work is next to non my elder sister , amazing as usual ❤
so kind
this is an awesome one!!! he’s got a nice voice to listen to
Excellent depiction of my journey..love it!
Can’t thank you enough for this 😊
This is so great, thank you!
This is one of the best videos I've watched that explains this stuff. I was a part of the religious club but I walked away as my eyes were opened, thankfully. May God help those who are unable to think for themselves. They will be lead to a life of misery and confusion. Thanks for sharing this wonderful information with us.
Religious club!! Ouch! ... But accurate.
Amazing guest!
I'm sorry I ever believed even remotely that God is a psychopathic murderer. And God's probably like, 'Don't sweat it.'
praise him
I never did. The version of God that kills people he doesn't like, or just to prove a point, or to "test" someone, never made sense to me. Definitely not an all "loving" God who is apparently "perfect" but he also sends people to suffer FOREVER. It literally makes no sense and I feel sorry for anyone who believes that. It's obviously out of fear, but what kind of *loving* God wants people to live in fear? Even as a child that made no sense to me.
It made no sense to me either but I was told over and over not to question. So I felt bad for questioning.
@@marymayer4875 He has a paradise for all who believe in Him. A place so beautiful we can't even comprehend the beauty of it, why would you not want to believe in Him? Hell is a place of complete blackness in a bottomless pit with no surfaces to touch and people that choose that will be tormented and all you will do for eternity is weeping and wailing and nashing of teeth in agony, you will be completely separated from God and you will remember people you had in your life and you will have no relationships in hell just weeping and wailing nashing your teeth in complete blackness
@@deborahdavis2329 Hell is bullshit and God is not an asshole.
I was a cradle Catholic until 10, then went to a "Charismatic" transitional based Church, where there was a seat on each bus where the occupant would get a prize for going to Church, and I totally thought the whole thing was a fraud- especially as they eeked 10% out of families that were dirt poor, with kids being raised by grandmothers- it was totally uncharitable.
Jesus was our Master Teacher of Love
I've been so hurt my entire life by my mother for not believing in religion. I'm nothing to her
😢😢😢 so sorry
You are a Beautiful, Amazing Woman ❤ Never Forget that!❤ I'm so sorry for your pain! I'm sending you healing vibrations, Love & Light❤️✨✨✨ Stay strong & positive!!
Just realize that is just learned fear. When we cross over we ALL know truth and love and light.
You're worthy of love! Loud people like to project their truth onto us, but only YOU know what's really going on inside. There is support and like minded people out there. Seek it out and get the love you need and deserve.
This was really good.
Excellent work Michael, great podcast ❤
I can relate to what he's saying about his experience with the church .. i brought my kids to church since they were born ... and now my daughters are not willing to hear my thoughts on the teachings. They are however still just 20 and 22 years old. I think jesus was a gnostic.
Neville Goddard teaches that the Bible is divine history, not secular, therefore it is actually a psychological drama about YOU....meaning each and every one of us. Makes so much sense when you read it from a mystical point of perspective.
@@Roddysue Exactly!
The idea of sacrifice has always stumped me, the son of man did not die for our sins! Sacrifice is a man made concept and Jesus viewed as a sacrifice BioWare my mind!
This is such a common problem. I never understood the cruelty of Old Testament. Better yet, I never understood the attempts of my church to justify killing young girls that were not virgins, and keeping the virgin girls ''for yourself'' (Numbers 31). Also, ''If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love (...) worships other gods (...) You must certainly put them to death.'' What?? (Deuteronomy 13:6-10). This traumatized me, and church members not understanding this, traumatized me more. I left the church.
I feel like the viewpoint here of finding depictions of God as incongruent between the OT and NT is somewhat shortsighted from the presenter in this video. A universalist view can look at the whole of the bible in both the OT and NT as historical allegory. Even the harsh events taken into account have a purpose in being mentioned.
I would believe that during those ancient times, every aspect of daily life was wrapped up in religious ritual across any and every culture there was. Thinking very literally or legalistically in a religious way really is not anything new. It was in fact common long ago; imagine every tribe in the ancient world consisting of or being led by evangelical zealots (quite ironic). So every culture and belief system had its strict set of rules which weaved itself into literally every aspect of life. I can understand the comparison and contrast with today’s age and more modern standards versus the ancient worlds ways that were more drastic and cruel. Jesus Himself really set a moral standard that changed the course of human living onwards, whereas before Christ there was in the view of all cultures and tribes a need and desire to practice rituals and sacrifice in order to mend one’s own shortcomings in their feeling distanced and spiritually separated from God.
Morally this becomes troublesome in the realm of human sacrifice. So when the worship of others gods is condemned with the sentencing of death, it’s not merely in the sense of how we would more casually understand worship today as say a passive reflection. It was active and participatory to a degree. Hence the mob of hecklers and naysayers who gathered during Christ’s crucifixion which was at the very tail end of the ways of ancient world. Their gathering was a Roman religious ritual as well as a Pharisaical ritual to appease their own spiritual lack out of misguided self-righteousness. The Romans essentially and practically worshipped Czar as their god. The Pharisees worshipped Satan as their god whom they formulated in their minds to be the character of God the Creator, and according to the Babylonian Talmud they hated Christ-Jesus even called them serpents and their temples synagogues of Satan. Interestingly it is from both ancient Roman culture and Persian or otherwise Babylonian culture that modern day Christendom borrows its concepts of everlasting hell from. So the mindset of all people during the ancient world was necessarily and fundamentally different pre-Christ, and debts that were owed had to be paid to quench a spiritual disconnect from God.
In ancient Israelite tradition all men are seen as stewards upon the earth who are accountable to God for how they manage what it is they’re given. Poor stewards who shun what is given to them to care for and manage, or who despite also being their brother’s keeper would even abuse and scorn their peers, are judged harshly during their life on this earth. While the judgment for their wicked deeds was harsh, it is Christ who still reconciles them back to the Father, as how it’s mentioned that Christ while he was in the grave ministered to those who passed in Noah’s day. While a retributive time period across ages in human history highlights God’s reason as a Father for having wrath, that wrath is not meant to be cruel or destructive for its own sake. It was to reciprocate in kind and in this life the same measure of harshness that those who lived wicked lives would inflict unto others. God’s righteousness rather than tormenting those who lived wickedly in everlasting conscious torment(which included the pious and religious like the Pharisees) is to have the wicked come to a point of remorse and regret in order to be compelled to confess. Upon their bodily resurrection, they will live a new life of repentance.
As one more note which personally I believe is important to consider, there is some debate with some theologians that when the massacre of peoples is brought up in the OT that it may not necessarily be literal but rather figurative with intense phrasing to carry emotional weight. Somewhat as in some of the chapters of Psalms where David is expressing his grief in being persecuted by Saul, and thus he exclaims his desire to see his adversaries crushed in rather vivid detail. That vividness is thought by some to be as an expression to denote someone spiritually being crushed. I believe this makes much more sense personally, although this can’t realistically be applied everywhere or all the time in say the case of the death of the firstborn Egyptians during the Egyptian plagues. I would think that this could also apply to the strictness upon those within the priesthood to remain as virgins until married, but the reasons for strictness there is also due to inheritance of wealth to preserve family lineages. Our modern civil system of property rights and ownership really didn’t exist back then, and inheritance was the most stable framework available for bestowing and retaining wealth.
Straight up ❤
Studying NDEs as a whole actually got me closer to Christianity, and got me way into the Christian mystic Swedenborg.
I love Swedenborg's writings & teachings! He was a brilliant man!!!
Great assessment of the current problems with Christianity. Really on point. Seems pretty weird that I, who wouldn't send anyone to eternal suffering, am somehow more loving than God? The being that's supposed to be the source of all love? Doesn't make sense.
There may be “problems” with Christianity but it declares in John what we should do because of what God did and what the consequences are for following our own way - John 3:16
@@Carlos-sr8km thanks for sharing your point of view.
Thank you. When we love we are tolerant, caring , we experience oneness with others.. There is all of the ugly, judgemental stuff when we misunderstand religion that can cause damage, pain and separation. You explain it very well,
Can anyone tell me has Mellisa’s 3rd interview with Ritu, which was out a few days, has it been taken down or can someone direct me to it please?
Hi..love you channel. There is a strange whisper at13:26I can't make out what's being said though.
This was needed.
that’s what i felt as well
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2Peter3:9
Amen
“Repent ye sinners and be converted ye double-minded.” “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”
Dualistic mind vs. seeing with one eye even with two eyes! Close one I eye and see! 🙏
yeap, I've lost my mom and at the same time a person from another country scammed me of money and it was a painful time that led me to where I am today, with new knowledge that isn't exactly in the Bible
Jesus was trying to tell us something here:
“If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” Luke 11:11-13.
In fact, Paul said that scripture is useful, not inerrant. And his scripture was very different from ours! IMO if someone elevates a text to the status of "perfect" the only thing perfect is their delusion, for it is only one way to see it. I call this bibliotry. Also IMO the bible should come with a big first page that says "GOD IS BIGGER THAN YOUR THEOLOGY!'
People don't feel comfortable with the idea of hell, myself included, but then you have all these NDEs where people do go to hell and say it is a real place. So where does that leave us?
What it looks like to me is, that people who were shown hellish places in their NDE needed a didactic nudge towards helping them to make choices in their life which are more loving. That's because we can choose to refuse to go home after we die, if we got too messed up down here, that's our free will. But it looks like they will always fight to get us back home, if that happens. So we can't get lost for ever.
I think some are brought to a hell-like place to learn something, but I also think some people make up stories to scare people. They will believe the end justifies the means, meaning if they make up a bad enough hell experience they think they will scare people to God. Humans made a real mess of a lot of things. So many people are working towards the same thing (enlightenment) but want to hate each other for small differences in the way they get there. That is human greed at work. Peace and love are the answer we are all God's children sharing this earth so love everyone as much as you can.
@@Schoolforthesoul You are right, there are already whole YT channels for this purpose of scaring people into submission. "Heaven Awaits" is such a channel with only fake NDE's. There are no real people telling their story, only someone reading "letters from Africa" with stories that are suspiciously identical to each other. You are right, they believe "saving" people from hell justifies the means of deception.
Hell is real
@@Carlos-sr8kmyep. It’s not all love and light on the other side. Nancy Evans Bush did significant research on this. Even children experienced hellish NDEs. They’re as old as mankind itself.
Very interesting guest, thank you! 🩷
Btw, Melissa... The (primordial sound) Om plaque on the bookshelf isn't properly seated. The character that looks like the number 3 should face the left, or be to the left of the other characters, so that it looks like the number 3. Namasté~ 🙏🏾
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You said that in a Classy manor well done
Hell and the rapture was added to the bible and reincarnation was removed from the bible thanks to the Romans and the council of niacea
God is love, fear comes from a dark negative place, so I don't agree when religion tries to scare people into their beliefs. It leads to people accepting religion from a base of fear instead of love. 8 billion people or more on earth, so it doesn't make any sense that 7 billion or more would have to go to hell because of not believing something even when these people live wonderful lives of live and respect. Spread ❤ love and help make the world better. The more barriers we unite past race, religious, country, etc the more you will see we are all brothers and sister sharing this wonderful earth. ❤
God is everything and LOVE. He loves you even if you do not accept Him into your heart and don't believe in Him. It grieves Him when you chose hell and not Him. It's all about your heart not your behavior, its very simple
I feel sorry for people who believe in Hell
@@herminepursch2470 Why? There is a hell and heaven you make your chose as to where you spend eternity
SO SIMPLE!!
@@deborahdavis2329your a good reason why I left Christianity.. listen to yourself on here preaching like your a savior… 🙄please go somewhere else.
If something is not 100% reliable, then it is unreliable to some extent.
I figure most intelligent folk realise that holy books have incorporated considerable influence by humans who are convinced they know what is what. Consequently the books need debate and consideration. It is unreasonable to assume just because the origin, before all the editing & amendments, was from an ancient people that they were the fount of all knowledge. In fact their understanding was almost inevitably less than we have today. So one needs to critique them properly, not get offended if someone else does.
i am here......I have read the bible from end to end...and I have started to question what is written...even the very simple question.....why people dont get healed when you lay hands on them...when the Bible says ask ANYTHING and it will be given to you......I have become confused.....that God punishes Saul for his disobediance...and allows him to be tormented by an evil spirit......but God annoints David and spares him....where was God's mercy for Saul? I have in my own experiance been treated poorly in churches...like an outsider....even though i read my bible faithfully...tithed....but I was never included in activities....didn't God see my heart and my willingness to serve? I continued on my own.....thinking..."maybe God will be merciful today and my faith wil be rewarded......50 years....I began to see I served out of fear....why should I fear "My Father".....the one who is "Love" 1 John 4:16......I am now shaken......I love the Lord.....but I now have my own relationship....... things are different....it has to be....
I’ve personally prayed for a woman with an arm that medically was impossible to move and saw the power of God in Jesus name heal her instantaneously, so because of doubting because although I respect your position your doubt actually limits what you can do in His name and power
My friend I believe you were spared by rather seeking God for yourself as the Bible states: "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" Ph 2:12
Look into Paul Wallis (retired Anglican clergy) & his Eden series! Mauro Biglino former Vatican interpreter ! The god of the old testament may not be God! Yaweh is not god. It is noted as Elohim (plural..powerful ones) & I love his hypothesis !!!
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Also known as ENLIL of the Annunaki
Enlil God is plural in the old testament. Yaweh was mean a war monger God.
@@tryiteatthatfood.5115 Umm..you need to go to other sources that support what i said about Enlil. None of us are completely right. Peace
@@iamshebeeloloindigenous I have been listening to the lost books of enki and I follow Paul Wallis and I went to bible college I can tell the English translation of the bible is not exactly right we need to do better as a human race. We are taught to fear God and be afraid of God from all the brain washing of religions. I do agree we must go to other sources also. A lot of the God encounters way back then we're not God the creator of all things
I found, that when I understood that Jesus was a Jewish mystic and that he had learned everything that he preached from the East during the age of 12 and 29 when he lived in India, that it all made sense. His message of love comes directly from the Upanishads and Gita's and from the Vedic tradition. Also, his practices of "being alone in the wilderness" (ie meditating) come from here. His whole philosophy is exactly the same as what the Gurus like Yogananda, espouse. It is of love and peace and goodwill towards all men (ie people). He was crucified, not to save sinners, but because the Jewish people didnt like his deconstruction of Judaism, and because the Romans didn't like what he preached and the fact that he caused them grief in their occupation of the Holy Land because he incited people to form other movements. I have studies Advaita Vedanta for 12 years now and am a part of a group that has dialogue about the teachings of this ancient wisdom. I find so many similarities with the early Jesus movement in the first and second centuries. It was from 325AD, from the first council of Nicea (Nicea I), that Christianity began to be formed, whereupon the clerics nd bishops of these councils continues for hundreds of years to debate and perfect the doctrines and dogmas of the institutional church through the adaptations and changes made to the "faith" through the ecumenical councils that still meet frequently to create new doctrines (like Atonements) that give them even grater powers over the people to control them. The conflict and schisms between the orthodox clerics and bishops of the institutions and the mystics of Christianity has been a part of both the Eastern and Western orthodox Christian traditions for a thousand years. The persecution of the mystics and other individuals who realised God was within them and had Self Sovereignty, resulted from the tight fisted grip the Church had over the people. Mystics like St Simeon the New Theologian, St Serphin of Sarov, St Julia or Norwich, St Teresa of Avila, St John of the Cross, and many others, had to be careful not to be burned as witches, because of their experience with the Divine. It is a long and fascinating story of true faith (experience of the Divine within) and twisted faith (control of the Church without), and I am still learning so much about it.
Yes, I totally agree with you. It was the YT videos about his time in India which actually attracted me to Yeshua in the first place. I'm also a lifelong student of advaita vedanta.
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I was shocked when i read Deut 11 & 12
"When men fight with one another, and the wife of the own draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye should have no pity"
UMMMMMMM WHATTTT?
The Bible is a contextual document. You have to understand the time period of the lesson and how that lesson is being applied. No verse and no chapter in the Bible should be removed from context. In Deuteronomy, God had just wrapped up a period of Teaching humans through interaction and a few rules/directions. That period turned out to be useless for us and God probably knew that it would be. However, we had to be given that chance. Now in the time period of Deuteronomy, God switches gears and swings the pendulum all the way to the other end - we didn't want to learn the easy way, so God decided to swamp us with so many rules and so many things that at first take and beyond don't make sense to see if we would entrench ourselves in God's rules and stop doing things and using our free will by making up our own rules. Of course, few wanted to spend their time getting clarification from God directly, so that period also didn't work. The Bible then moves through some more periods of time where God attempts to get our attention in other ways... The Ten Commandments, Issiah and more. Of course, even the chosen group and the group closest to God at the time continued with their un-holy ways. Thus, God provided the Perfect solution, which took things away from communal operations and processes in terms of our Relationship with God, into an Individual Relationship structure. It's a One-to-ONE Relationship in these modern times and that is what matters. If you want to understand The Bible, you must understand it with context, as an entire Word of God, it's The Word (singular), it is not words (plural). You want to know the Truth and The Reasons, don't search for those on YT or by way of other humans. God is the Best Guide and Jesus is The Best Teacher - that's where you will get the correct answers.
This is what I found to be true, otherwise you wouldn't have had people arguing over what should be scripture at The Council of Nicea. People are still in disagreement till this day. Also if you ask Greeks that really know the bible they will tell you how different the interpretations of certain words are comparing KJV to a NT in Greek. I am learning Greek for partly this reason. Perhaps I can make a video on the differences I found between the two. You can go to the Hebrew bible and easily find the mistakes in translation and big differences between them@KJV (not on everything).
Yes. So many poor translations. It was finding out that some of paul was most definitely not written by paul, and that that was already taught in seminaries, but not to the congregation... that undid my vehement " this current canon is absolutely the word of God"... Those bits were in there by the authority of paul, but known to not be by paul but added hundreds of years after his death!???
It gave me permission to question.
I have not thrown the baby out with the bath water. I kept Jesus.
Does that make any sense for a loving God to create souls then put them in bodies but the flesh would be in control but you can go to hell for eternity. That is not a loving God at all. That is a fear based control and punishment. God is in control of heaven and hell according to the bible.
That is why i love Bertha Dudde.
How do you convince someone we don’t need “Christ’s atonement “? So many friends stuck in this programming of the church. Can we help them or do we have to allow them to suffer?
Hahaha Satan has you my friend. Repent and ask the Lord to reveal to you what that atonement means
IMHO Jesus is a symbol that heaven equals Earth. As above, so below. It's a balance that we're all equal --half man, half woman. Both divines. Seeking yet receiving. Mill
I don’t remember if you’ve talked about this much on your channel or what you’re in to as far as ETs are concerned, but Paul Wallis can tell you exactly why the Bible is all messed up! As a translator of ancient sacred texts, he traces many of the stories to what he calls paleo contact, which were historical periods where ETs were openly operating among the people. As a Phd level researcher and former priest, he shows exactly when and where words that meant Lord or Ruler, in reference to certain people and what he gives evidence for as other worldly beings, were conglomerated together as the word God. So when he refers here to the Old Testament being largely based on myth, it might be shown to have actual historical truth and that the beings that were wrathful and vengeful God were actual reptilians! I can’t remember what your stance on ets are, but I think it has a large part in our current culture to subdue humanity, as the war for our souls, but is in more of a covert operation in our time as opposed to the early dark ages when it was an open fact. Check him out on his CZcams channels, Paul Wallis and the 5th Kind, and his Eden books. Maybe you’ve already had him on but I can’t remember! ❤ Thank you! I was wondering what deconstruction was as you’ve been mentioning it lately! Have a good one!
Vinney Tolman. Didn't see him on your video list. Lots to say
I agree you can't trust the narratives about religion however we also need to be aware that there are narratives on the news that can also be misleading
yes we must be aware and also seek truth 😊
How can a loving God send people to hell? Then I ask how can loving parents restore a child who in rebellion left home, got on drugs and overdose himself/herself to death? Will God be just to allow into Heaven someone who murdered and robbed others to live in wealth, didn't care about the very God and humanity, and another who worked hard for their wealth, cared about God and humanity?
I have belived or at least entertained the thought that Jesus knew he would be rejected to the point of murder, at least by the religious of the day, for his message of love and taking care care of the poor, orphans and widows. He also taught tolerance and forgiveness to a humankind that loves revenge and exclusion. He didn't appease some angry God's wrath to save us. I believe he chose to be crucified so that he could demonstrate "a friend laying down his life for a friend", so they would see his love by him forgiving their typical response to anyone with his type message. Idk, I'm just considering...
What has always bothered me is the missionary aspect of Christianity and the Muslim faith. People who don't live their faith but think because they are out converting people they will enter the kingdom of Heaven.
In some cases, it's helpful. In some cases, it takes away the opportunity for God to become their Teacher.
Not every activity is either good or bad, there's a lot of middle ground, and it often depends upon context and the motives of those involved.
I seem to have been on my personal #DeconstructingChristianity #DeconstructingTheBible journey since the later 90ies already and much of what Mr. Camp referenced here has lead to my dismissal of the Roman-Catholic Church or other, even more fundamentalist "flavours" of Christianity. (which is not to say that I'd have dismissed the set of values as taught by Jesus, on the contrary).
Some aspects, like the two-faced and transactional God I had felt similar about, but didn't have words for. However, I had also identified the crass paradoxes that are being conveyed by the Scriptures.
I mean, if anyone just used their common sense and imagined a modern day scenario ... they'd discard that book right off the bat, wouldn't they? In fact, we can even use a very real and ongoing scenario like e.g. #ClimateCrisis or the disparate messages circulating the press during the #pandemic and what had it brought on and such - I believe, that the outcomes are what I'm trying to depict here, i.e. take any situation and have a set of experts have their say on the matter: While they all come from or arrive in _some common ground_ , the larger part of their work can't be reconciled from one person to the next or blended into an _always right_ message to adhere by, no?. Same here, with the Bible as Mr. Camp seems to have described in detail in his book..
In any case: Thanks for providing a place to come to for whom the "infallability" of the Scriptures never sat all that well with. Thank you, both.
The following verse, in the new testament, states that God is capable of vengeance:
Romans 12:19
Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
I believe God can take His face away from you so you fall under the dominion of lesser and more evil Gods. Stay close to love, stay close to God.
I, as a child, could not believe that God would judge and punish his "children" I also never believed that the Bible was the complete truth based upon the game "telephone". ...and I didn't believe in the "physical name of "h..ll". IMO, this is a self generated state of being here on earth and can be created on the other side if you truly believe it- which I do not choose to believe it. Fear based religion is terrible- FEAR means false evidence appearing real.
You know i've heard thousands of accounts and everyone one of them said Jesus is a nice guy. They were of all or no religions.
You weren’t born again because believers always know in their hearts even if they turn away from the Lord that Jesus is God and the way the truth and the life
I’m a universalist but this guy’s arguments are full of holes. He never got a challenging question either.
Keep believing these are the last days
This man is correct that we don't understand the Bible, but incorrect to make so many assumptions about his understanding of the Old Testament. What about personal prayer and divine guidance to help you understand the word? What about Howard Storms's NDE where Jesus says that the Bible is true but must be understood spiritually? What about the fact that the stories are ancient, related to a different cultural and linguistic context? I don't think that ideas like God's forgiveness have anything to do with God being upset, for example. I think it's about the divine laws of reality. Even the ideas of fear of God and anger of God have alternative translations such as awe of God and displeasure of God. The words that are translated as eternal in the idea of damnation can mean an indefinite long period of time. When you listen to the NDEs, these new translations and understandings I am presenting match up much more closely. The flood over the earth in the day of Noah was because "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence." (Genesis 6:11) He was destroying murderers, and from what I know of the description and of idolatry, probably they were violent, hateful, child-murdering, orgy making, prostituting, paranoid people who were drunk on seeking the blood of their enemies. These people were rearing their children in the same mindset. The earth's computer needed it's restart button pressed. I think we are being arrogant and overly critical of the Bible if we dismiss the Old Testament God out of hand. Michael Camp's attitude is blatantly contradictory to NDEs you present on this channel. It is close-minded in it's own way. It's not scholarly or mystical. It's frankly a lazy approach of outright dismissal of whatever doesn't align with your instinctive reaction to the words you read on the page. I appreciate that we are questioning tradition, but let's not assume our immediate reaction is a full picture of what ancient prophets were trying to communicate.
Referring to this video’s title: is Jesus a swear word now?
God has said He is not happy with religion, religion shows us shortcomings of others, Jesus was very clear, if you can't forgive you won't be forgiven. We are really spirit beings, and spirt beings can''t die.
Jesus also said no one can get to heaven if they are not born again
BOOK ALERT "The Gosple of the Beloved Companion"
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what we think, feel or experience. Jesus is the Truth and only way, because God knew that there will be many false teachings from hell. Jesus Christ is the differentiator
I belonged to a church for 50 years and believed the lies. But I stayed with Jesus! He brought me the Bible He wanted me to read and we read every word together. He showed me what was relevant and I marked it. Cleared everything up! Obey Gods Commandments Best you Can..they are for Your Good and Peace. God Will Help You..but we are ALL just people..Sinners Saved by Gods Grace and we All will be Saved. Why would God Save one sinner and not another?
We aren’t sinners that’s Christian conditioning
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I know! God Gave us essential Survival Instincts..but then commandments to keep those instincts in check..for the Good of All. Christians really will not accept that!
@@wkdgrneyes you need to read Gods Word. You don't know much of anything
@@deborahdavis2329 It does not take much to see that you are a Brain Washed product of Christianity. I feel sorry for you.
i always get into debates with these flat earthers that take the bible 100% word for word and say it's flat because the bible say's so. no if and or but's
I agree with some of what he has said and religions Devide people badly! I believe in punishment in a terrible place because Many people have seen it while having NDE'S! Doubt very much that they will be there for ever but people who murder, steal, rape etc need to be punished!!
In the new testament jesus talked.about hell 16 times. The fact of the matter is that he talked more about hell than he did about heaven!
All well and good. But because evil exists, retribution must also exist. If not, then men who buy sell and rape 5 year old girls will enter the same after life as the person who was a saint there entire lives. And to believe that you’d have to be a fool.
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I really don't like the Apostle Paul's teachings either. They were full of harsh and contradictory ideas.
Also, one more thing to add here sorry. Must be noted that the church at Corinth and Thessalonia were Roman and pagan churches. If you studied or are “well read” as you have said you are in some of your videos. You would know some of the absolute disgusting, evil and vile things that were happening at these places before Paul had visited and even some of the gross things they were STILL doing after his visit to these places.
There are a few other places in Rome and around that area that were VERY pagan and VERY far from the love of Christ. Paul went to these places to teach them the love of God the Father through the love of the Son Christ Jesus. Also to teach them to leave their sinful state and put on a new way of thinking (which is found in Christ) if you have the mind of Christ you do not want sin. Romans 7:25 addresses this issue of mind and body craving different things even after accepting Christ. Also, Romans 12:2 speaks of the renewing of your MIND. There’s much scripture on the purpose of your mind and why it is such an important and special part of you and MUST be protected at all times.
See the newer churches of Christianity were also FILLED with pagan ideology and old Jewish religion (laws) so even THEN they were understanding things incorrectly. But many verses clears up the confusion and misunderstandings of the texts.
We must also keep in mind that there IS such a thing as new age Christianity that is sweeping over the world that is deep in false religion and false teachings.
Do I agree with all theological teachings or doctrines of the word of God? No! But do I put those down and call them silly or “brainwashed” for believing them? No! Because truth is, at the end of the day, sky is still blue, grass is still green and people are still people. WE are the ones that need changing. NOT the word of God! People have a right to believe whatsoever they choose and at the end of the day… no skin off my nose 👃
But it should be noted also that a lot of things were debated in the Old Testament about a lot of the teachings of the word. The pharisees and sadducees (both religious leaders back then) argued a lot about death and hell and where we go after life.
So although lake of fire is taught in the New Testament mainly and not mentioned much in the Old Testament, I know of Malachi 4:1 which mentions the lake of fire burning like a fiery oven.
That does not dismiss the whole point of Gods wrath and his condemnation for the wicked of this earth. We know that the lake of fire is left for the day of judgement (which is also also clearly taught and mentioned all throughout scripture. But yet MANY (such as mormons, Jehovah’s Witness, seven day Adventists, Jewish AND Muslim) do NOT believe in hades, lake of fire OR that Christ IS the son of God and the second person of the trinity. 🤔
So it seems to me that most of the world os at WAR with Christian’s who believe these things because apparently we’re the “insane or crazy ones” for believing this lol
God taught us through HIS chosen people, he used these people to write down HIS words through HIS SPIRIT. Also, side note, there have been MANY biblical things that happened IN THE BIBLE that HAVE been proven and MANY MANY artifacts recovered and things revealed.
www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_114.cfm
Here’s an article you may want to look over have you have any spare time. It talks a lot about hades and the lake of fire and the differences between these two.
Please understand that this message comes from a place of love. You should not be on here pointing down the finger at those who CHOOSE to follow Christ and WANT to stay committed to their faith and walk with Jesus as I’m sure you wouldn’t want someone doing to you.
There’s a lot about Gods word that we don’t understand, but if some choose to lean in to those doubts and fears and questions and hash it out with God then don’t laugh at those who choose to stay in it just as you don’t want people laughing at you if you choose to leave your walk with Christ.
That was a great sermon. Thank you for sharing it. The only thing I would like to add is a famous quote, which goes like this: In the land of the insane, the sane man doesn't become king, he get's lynched.
People, starting off with about 1 percent knowledge, quickly double or triple that. Now then arriving at 2 or 3 percent knowledge, they stop learning and figure they now Know, they figure they're sane - although they still have more than 97% to go prior to harboring The Holy Spirit of God. However, this ~2% is sometimes enough to get millions of people to fall in line behind them. It's kind of crazy, but it's this world we have and it's for a reason.
Good News is, despite all this, only a little bit of faith is required to get a soul back onto the correct path and The Way and The Relationship will ensure that a soul stays on the Righteous path.
God is the Best Guide. The Messiah is the Best Teacher. Human souls should stop trying to learn from the Internet and other humans, Jesus deserves to be our Teacher because of what Jesus Did. We also deserve to be Taught by God. Why settle for less?
Look Jesus is real but he didn’t come to sacrifice himself that’s the twisted thinking of cultists
Now they depicted Jesus as a metaphor for the sun disguising HIM as the Sun of God get it
Thus paganized and Hellenized the real Jesus
Read the Urantia on line for correct answers this book is a revelation authored by angels
So I watched about 20ish mins of this guy and I found it really strange lol that people who were once “Christians” or once “followed Christ” say that they also are “so accepting” and “so tolerant”? When you are literally sitting in a video stating things like “it was satan or demons” while laughing 🤔 (so mocking the Christian faith and beliefs of hell and demons and satan?)
Btw if you look it up, (it’s also IN THE BIBLE the Judeo Christians also argued a lot about hell (hades) and if there even was an eternity at all. The church in Corinth and I believe the Thessalonians also tried to understand the teachings of hades or as the Hebrew reading would be Sheol.
As a follower, a teacher and a learner what I find most interesting about people who leave their “faith” to follow other teachings or methods of pretty the same thing that Jesus (Yeshua Hamasheia) taught, it’s quite strange.
Gods first command (we are still believing in God the one and only King and mighty all knowing all seeing all powerful God here) but his first command is to indeed, HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME!
So… there’s a dilemma that we are faced with here as Christians. We can either question the legitimacy of the word…. Or question our understanding and OUR interpretations of it.?
Because at the end of the day if you believe in the bible as the Holy and written word of God (written as the inspired word through the prophets and apostles) then you can either believe it as a whole (events, commands, teachings and so on and so forth) orrrrr you can do what you and your friend on this interview have done here. Which is deconstruct the word of God to as nothing more than a bunch of words scribbled down by a bunch of people that “claimed” they were teachers or holy people of God but never actually taught the truth and if that’s the case then EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING…. In the word is either permissible or false.
And if that’s the case here…. Then weee going to have a real problem lol
Also, sidenote; Sheol (place of the dead) had two different compartments of it, Hades was made up of two compartments - an upper and a lower. The upper level was called Abraham's bosom, while the lower level is the place of torments (Gehinnom).The righteous were in the upper level, while the unrighteous exist in the lower. This makes it possible for the ones in the lower level to look up at the ones in the upper. This division existed only before the resurrection and ascension of Christ.
This is also spoken about in Luke 16:14-31
The teachings of the rich man and the poor man. This is not just a “metaphor” that Jesus was speaking of, this is a real teaching (something that really happened) had it been a “metaphor” as this man in your video states, what would be the point of this teaching? Actually, why teach of hades at all? If there is NO PLACE of torment and pain at all… why speak of it at all?
I believe what Jesus was teaching here was an ACTUAL PHYSICAL place of hell. A place that when we die (had we not accepted Christ as our Lord and saviour) we WILL go to.
I had my own personal experience in the place of the dead (Sheol) and I can tell you…. Everything that God teaches us in his word IS in fact WORD FOR WORD, HIS TRUTH to us. It’s a guide book to teach us how to live, how to conduct ourselves, our history and most importantly… HIS inspired word!
If we take away God from his word then we just have another history book. If we don’t question (I’m the right way) then we are brainwashed robots. There IS a happy medium between this. But if you believe that we have souls (which I gather you do based off of some of your other videos I’ve seen) then you do know that our souls are eternal beings CREATED by God not that we are our “own gods” or we “created god” but we are beings CREATED by God. And have that being the case that means we are eternal beings with real thoughts, real feelings and REAL emotions just “like God” not “we are god” but LIKE God. We were made in HIS image (meaning same attributes) but NOT God! So if we being eternal beings, and God being the loving God HE is, he gives us freewill, we can freely choose to accept him and what he did on the cross for us or freely choose to reject him and what he did for us.
1 John 1:10 says; If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Mark 2:17 says; I did not come to call the righteous but the sinners.
If Christ himself said that we are SINNERS in NEED of SAVING then what then? Is this not true? Is the whole bible a myth or a lie? Was Christ real? Is there really a heaven or a hell? Is there a God? Maybe we just die and there’s NOTHING after life here 🤔
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Maybe, we must READ THE TEXT the way it should be read and interpreted, through the Holy Spirit! Otherwise we end up with a mind all over the place with questions and NO answers! It sounds like to me… like you and some of your guests on here have a mind full of questions, but no answers? If God gave us answers, why not look to HIM for those answers?
Anyways. I know this is a long text I wrote, I apologize for going on for so long. But just thought I’d share my thoughts 😊 take care sister 👋🏼 prayer and blessings to you.
GOD offer free will to anyone, if you want nothing with GOD, you choose to live eternally in a place oppsite to godly thing which is called hell. faith can not be gotten by mind and research, you can only experience it in a waitingful heart, I am sorry for your outwardly searching and falling away from truth.
This guy is off-base on a lot of stuff especially early church history and his theology seems to be weak/shallow. I personally think thats because of his evangelical background. Jesus made ONE church, not 1000 different denominations, and the bible tells us (the church) to be of of ONE mind in numerous verses. If every Christian "deconstructs" themselves into their own opinion of what Christianity is or who Jesus is then there is no church and we certainly can't be of one mind. Christians need good theology because, as the host alluded to at one point, the bible is NOT a "flat" text.
Which "church" did Jesus make?
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If you want to stay asleep, it's your free will.........
So throw out what you don’t like and keep what you do like ?
Nonsense!!
Yes they are hurt individuals and need to repent
You should talk to Jehovah Witnesses they can explain Heaven and hell to you they don't believe there is a hell it's a metaphor 😮😮😮😮😮
Why go from one cult to another?
So if there’s no hell then we all die and go to be with God no matter what we do or who we are, even if I’m as evil as hitler or bundy.
We all go to heaven and no one will suffer and Christ came and died for nothing and at was all in vain and there’s no such thing as sin and it’s all made up stories.
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LOL 😒
Dude there's barely 1% right in the bible lol
All you need is LOVE.