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Whoopi Goldberg: "look in this country there should never be a vet living on the streets" 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Agreed SO STOP FUNDING GENOCIDE IN GAZA.
Repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat!!!
She's right.
Meanwhile, the Republicans talk about their support for the military and military veterans, but yet vote against bills that will help them. Remember the bill about burn pits, Republicans voted against that. I remember because Jon Stewart brought attention to it, and he was pissed that most of the Republicans voted against it.
@johnwebb2442 Yes but she DOESN'T VOTE or ACT IN ANY WAY to SUPPORT this...🤦♀️👿💰💔🇱🇷
I love that photo. It shows how happy people were when the war ended and the exuberance of youth. The suits need to get over themselves and start addressing the issues of sexual harassment in their ranks TODAY.
Sexual harassment? More like rape. Many women are raped in the military. It's not just harassment. That's the least of their worries.
Yeah, just a forced kiss on someone not wanting it.
Not acknowledging sexual harassment in order to acknowledge sexual harassment 😟
@@blackout07blue Do you have mud in your ears? The woman in the picture didn't saw it as an assault, but as an act of celebration because the war was over. Even, both families are to this day, friends of each other.
@@blackout07blue you wasn't in the times of war
it's historic it's a beautiful moment during that time.
This photograph was taken in 1945. There are things today that are more problematic than this.
Thank you
Eh. We’re not having a “what’s more problematic today” discussion tho. It’s a discussion abt the context behind a famous photo. If you wanna talk abt today, sexual harassment/assault is widely discussed today so why should this photo be excluded from the discussion to appease those who like the photo?
@@SupernaturalLove100you are overreacting. Sit down and calm yourself
@@SupernaturalLove100LMFAO You are literally the EXACT extreme leftist ideology that WHOOPI was just talking about. Stop getting so pent up and bent out of shape over something that isn't purposely out there to hurt you. Just because it hurts YOUR feelings doesn't mean everyone else is. Move the F on and don't look at the photo if it bothers you so much.
@@SupernaturalLove100 if the woman in the photo did not view it as an assault, why are others labeling it as so? She said in her own words that she saw it as a jubilant act that the war was over. Overly sensitive people of today have no idea of what that kind of war was like. It's wasn't like the Iraq or Vietnam wars, food and supplies were not rationed to Americans like they were in WWII. Today we know nothing about that kind of relief from conflict.
I'm so glad all the co-hosts agreed that this is much to do about nothing. The VA has much bigger things to fix than this.
Yeah, it’s just a forced kiss on someone not wanting it.
@@blackout07bluethese ladies are weird. The Spanish soccer guy got in hot water over a similar kiss and everyone thought he was out of line.
@@blackout07blue Your POV is clear, Karen, but you tip your hand by assuming the kiss was unwanted. You weren't there, you have no clue as to the woman's attitude in the moment. Yet you state speculation as fact, robbing you of any possible credibility. There is a point here that could be made, but not by you, Princess. You squandered your opportunity.
@@asif9t9 And when did the incident you speak of occur? And what was the reason for the soccer guy doing what he did? Try harder if you wish to make a point.
@@paradisepipeco The nurse has been interviewed and confirmed it was non-consensual, she says she was grabbed by him.
That's one of the most iconic photograph of all time! Different time different lives. Its part of world history. You can't undo or shame this. Deal with it!
Tell that to the liberal mental case that's trying to ban it. Did you miss that part, or did it not fit your agenda?
just a forced kiss on someone not wanting it.
@@blackout07blue ok Karen
@@blackout07blue Your POV is clear, Karen, but you tip your hand by assuming the kiss was unwanted. You weren't there, you have no clue as to the woman's attitude in the moment. Yet you state speculation as fact, robbing you of any possible credibility. There is a point here that could be made, but not by you, Princess. You squandered your opportunity.
@@paradisepipeco so the woman in the photo did an interview later in life and stated it was not consensual..." Friedman told the Library of Congress in 2005 that “it wasn’t a romantic event. It was just an event of thank God the war is over kind of thing.” She added in an oral history of the photo: “It wasn’t my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and kissed or grabbed.” "
Whoopie is absolutely right that no veteran should be living on the streets of America after fighting for our country. God bless our troops former and present.
And add to that our veterans male and female are NOT LOSERS AND SUCKERS!
@@jeangriffith8017 You are absolutely right !!!
But yet they are and a lot of them have been displaced to give shelter to the illegals
@@adhanetkidane ABSOLUTELY !!! I agree. Well said. Be blessed.
No person in general, regardless of their previous job. But yes including vets
Bravo Whoopi. I work in the medical field, and trying to work with the VA to get these veterans the care they deserve can be both slow, and unreliable. It's super frustrating because, like they all said, some of these issues are fixable. Our veterans deserve better.
This is beautiful moment and the woman in this picture is beautiful
you cant even see her because shes being forced upon, ur disgusting.
This is one of the most iconic photos of the 20th century.
@@adhanetkidane, about happiness, yes. ❤ A lifelong friendship came out of this.
thank you@@adhanetkidane
My Grandparents told me that the whole country was so happy on V Day there were picking up people they didn't even know bc everyone was trying to get downtown. They remember it as one of the happiest days of their life. They were so proud of our soldiers. 🇱🇷💙
My mother and my oldest brother are veterans so shoutout to them and the other people who served our county 👏🏾👏🏾💯💯
Who cares?
@@DalePhoenix The Americans who don't celebrate Trump's 5 deferments do.
@@DalePhoenix Only American patriots care and appreciate those who sacrifice for our freedom. That leaves you out, Skippy.
My dad is a veteran and every time he has to call the VA, he’s on hold for at least 30 to 45 minutes or he’s told they’ll return his call and he’s simply just trying to confirm an appointment! This picture is the least of their worries!
That's a logical fallacy.
@@ceterisparibus8966 how so? Please elaborate!
My father and 5 Uncles fought in WWII. My Uncle George was killed in Guadalcanal in 1942, he left behind a wife and two
small kids. This beautiful picture was the end of that horrible war and if my Aunt and two cousins and grandmother could embrace that picture with that trauma, the people wanting to take it down need to remove themselves from that job and actually help the veterans!!!!!
how can anyone look at that picture and not feel emotional.. in a good way
Its one of the most iconic pictures in history!
Its a beautiful photo
If it would’ve been consensual, a bit more so.
They were BOTH celebrating! She wasn't the least bit offended
Her leaning back and hands remaining lowered say otherwise.
@@waryaawariiri1812, what a moronic comment. Her hands would be up to fend him off if it was unwanted. This kiss started a lifelong friendship between the 2 of them. You couldn’t be more wrong.
Some people just want to complain.
The world is such a mess! People complaining about trivial things and ignoring the stuff that matters!
@@baublesanddollsMLC Misery Loves Company
The irony of spending close to 4 minutes complaining about a literal picture being taken down while asking people to not be too bothered with trivial things.
….i wasn’t going to comment because I didn’t want to come across as brahs or rude. But…their job is to talk about topics that are chosen…so it’s not ironic at all because the point is that the photo isn’t an issue or a trivial thing because of what it represents, but in comparison to the problems that the VA are facing today, it’s trivial in that regard.
@@devronl08
The reason for taking it down is perfectly valid; the 'end of fascism' or whatever other crap you want to ascribe to the photo isn't reason enough to grab a woman and kiss her and have the image romanticized for generations to come.
If we don't want confederate flags and statues flying their freak, neither should an image depicting an act that is definitely sexual assault be romanticized.
All the other commentary about the VA having worse problems is just a red herring argument, they don't have those problems because they are taking down a photo and if the photo had stayed up, they'd still have those problems. So, one issue has nothing to do with the other.
You can not like the show or the people involved in the show, however, finding something to complain about in this particular video just shows you are miserable. These people were talking about something important and you wanted to be angry about something so you chose....something trivial....to be angry about. 🤣🤦🏻♂
That woman has touched eternity because of that photo, and people would rob her of that for no reason.
In San Diego, next to the Midway Aircraft carrier, now a museum, is a bronze statue/monument of that picture, about25 feet tall. We love that statue as do all the families taking pictures of it w their kids!
People really need to look around if this is an issue. Could that moment happen today? No, but it was a different era. At that time it was a happy moment in history and no one was offended. Glad Sara brought up that the ladies daughter said they remained friends. As someone who works in healthcare and sees the devastation, this is not what should be of concern. Let’s talk about suicide rates, the mental health crisis in these people.!! This lady is going to cost the VA money because “she” is offended. So let’s waste money on her being offended.
If you look into that lady it sounds like she did a terrible job running the Phoenix VA, but failed upwards.
@@Supermanfan99I will do that. Thanks for the information.
This world today makes my head hurt sometimes 🤯😱
Everyone was kissing everyone when WW2 ended
The brief video of this actual kiss, is actually much more powerful.
Millennials lives have been so privileged compared to generations in the past that it seems they are manufacturing trauma for themselves. Many young women now feel accosted if a young men pay them a compliment. The line for normal social interaction has been moved so far.
Not Millennials Gen Z
I’ve met an amazing Veteran that explained to me that, having a place to lay your head down, is different than being homeless. As a Vet he didn’t own a house but traveled state to state sleeping in hotels, gyms, or friends homes while working. And yes, technically he’s a homeless Veteran but a very happy free citizen.
I have this print on a wall in my house, i love it.
I'm a Vietnam era vet. I owe my life to the Veterans Healthcare Administration. Were it not for it, I'd be dead today. So when you start bashing it, please take a step back for a moment. Sure there are problems, and yes, they can be fixed. But I for one cannot thank the VA nurses, doctors, and administrators enough for the 1st class healthcare I've received. The photo is a symbol of hope for our gallant men and women to serve and for those who have served, so shut up about it.
So, you're admitting there are problems but people who are calling for those problems to be addressed are "bashing" the VA? Come on.
Two things can be true at once. The VA saved your life? Ok, that's awesome. But not every vet has that outcome, and that's the point. The VA has helped many, but they have disappointed many as well.
@@scottk4859He's complaining about two different opposing things. Doesn't really make any sense to me either. Does he want people to shut up about the faults, which he admits is true or about the VA's over correcting.
Those critical of the top post are wrong. Legitimate criticism of the V.A. is appropriate, but "bashing" it is not, and the top post is clear. If you have a point to make, try harder. Whether or how easy the problems with the V.A. can be fixed is open to debate, but to attack the legitimate heartfelt and VERY CLEAR top post says nothing about Mr. Kerley or his comment, but it reveals the pettiness and bias of those who are criticizing his comment.
Holding an institution ACCOUNTABLE and to a high standard is not the same thing as "bashing it"
Give me strength
Thank the Lird many of our Soliders came home, many did not...bless there Souls.
One of the only times I can say that I saw a segment on this show where I agree with all these ladies. Wow.
GOD bless the greatest generation
I love this photo. There are real issues on the table right now like Alyssa & Whoopi said. I agree!!!🇺🇸👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Iconic pic
Our parents thought that as well. When I hear things like this, it makes me understand when my grandparents said this world is going to h*ll in a handbasket.
Thank you
This picture is now a statue at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii
Whoopi's on fire!!!
I love that photo.Are they going to take down that statue in San diego.They have a replica of that photo in a statue form in Sd
Don't give them ANY more ideas!!
this is the perfect example of ignoring the elephant and taking care of the mouse
This world is headed to a very sterile, lonely place. People will stop interacting with each other in fear of retribution . It’s all going to become electronic communication.
Context matters. I remember a few years back one New Years Eve I was out with my friends and a young guy who was with his friends also, came up and kissed me because it was a time of celebration. I didn't know him but it was just a small moment of sweetness and magic was in the air.
Same…at a nightclub in Los Angeles. Very sweet!
My mother is a veteran so I know a little bit about what some veterans go through
Your mother 🙄
Unless you've served yourself, you really don't know.
@@ilovegoodsax women are still not on daily combat Einstein. For some reason they refuse to put women in front lines. I would only put women but to each their own I guess.
@@cindyt8278 Ugh! Good lord ... YOU again?!??!? GTFOH 🙄🤡💯
@@cindyt8278 Sounds like you're one of those jealous Bitter Betty's who flunked the ASVAB.🤣🤣🤣
Trump would be proud of this photo. It's the only part of the military he could relate to.
What part can you relate to?
@@FXDLS-ot1wq The part that doesn't condone sexual assault.
@@IMHTP you must hate what Biden did to Tara Reid then.
@@FXDLS-ot1wq you must love what Trump did to E. Jean Carroll then.
@@IMHTP A less credible story gets justice and $90M. What does Reid get?
They brought up serious veteran issues . Thank you
If those men hadn’t fought and died for her freedom, she’d be speaking German or Japanese right now.
Show gratitude!
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So you’d be fine with one of them coming up and kissing you without your persmission?
@@jordanalbertson1421 If they just saved the world id be ok with it
@@duanen2337 somehow I don’t believe you.
So she should be grabbed and kissed by whomever?
I have this poster.
I knew it was about the war ending, But it's also a mystery about love.
Notice each person has one arm fully in, And one hand closed around a mystery.
It's about keeping the balance in relationship. It's not just about the end of the war.
I'm glad to learn the two people in the photo stayed friends for years.
Those complaining don't know the history of the two people after the photo and how they were friends in the following years. The VA should Stop thinking about something you really didn't know everything about from the 40's and focus on taking care of veteran's in this era
The hustle brings the money. The experience brings the knowledge. The persistence brings the success.
I’m sure that The View has talked about this before…
That 1945 photo by Alfred Eisenstaedt of the kiss in Times Square is one of the most beautiful, most iconic photos of the 20th Century. Just imagine the flood of raw human emotions that men and women were experiencing that glorious day on V-J Day. The modern activists/critics who want to remove this piece of history on the grounds that this was “non-consensual” are, I hope and pray, an extremely tiny minority. Honestly, when you put this photo in its proper context of that moment in time, how can you look at it and not feel joy inside?
Hey im a big fan
I love Joy. She’s knowledgeable and says what time it is, oh so cute
If a 79 year old photo is making you lose sleep at night, you should probably reconsider every single pathetic decision you've ever made in your empty life
Veterans should be living like royalty,sport stars ....etc! Got it. !!!
Who has time to cry about this? For goodness sake 🙄 The ladies are right on this one
My late father fought in Vietnam and because of the type of blood cancer he contracted due to agent orange, he couldn't be compensated. I know he's wasn't the only one and people are criticizing an old WW II photo? That photo is the least of vets concern.
How would the average person even KNOW these two people didn't know each other?
I've seen this photo a hundred times, and just heard about its history. Big deal.
Its a great photo.
Way bigger thing to worry about.
Much ado about NOTHING. The photo celebrated the end of something very bad. I am glad the panel mostly agreed that the complaints are frivolous
Attention America! The world is not responsible for your mental health. If something out there triggers you, call your therapist. This is your problem and YOU need to work on it. FYF!
My parents were from this era. My dad was in the Navy and was in WW II. I was adopted by older generation parents. I find nothing offensive about this pic. We must stop looking at this type of thing from today's perspective. This was an innocent act
and even though it was two strangers what it symbolized was the end of a very important time in our history. I think the person wanting to have this removed is projecting their own issues. Leave this alone. Yes deal with the sexual harrassment that is prevelant in the armed forces but don't take an innocent historic photo down because you think that it sends the wrong message. We would never have a photo like this now because it wouldn't fit the narrative but back then when most of us saw this and for me it was years after the fact it symbolized something iconic. Don't ruin that because of your own personal issues.
Totally agree.
Amen. Criticizing this photo is tantamount to crying "Wolf" and is disrespectful to actual victims of harassment.
This is the least of my worries.
about Greta Friedman: “I felt that he was very strong. He was just holding me tight. I'm not sure about the kiss... it was just somebody celebrating,” Friedman told Redmond. "It wasn't a romantic event. It was just an event of 'thank god the war is over.'” ... "Ms. Friedman did not shy away from the photo or her role in it, her son said. Mr. Friedman said he believed she understood the argument that it was an assault but did not necessarily view it that way." ... "Friedman told the Library of Congress in 2005 that “it wasn’t a romantic event. It was just an event of thank God the war is over kind of thing.” She added in an oral history of the photo: “It wasn’t my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and kissed or grabbed.” Since she was ok with it, ok. If not, different story.
This country is getting ridiculous by the second
Seriously
I like the Watchmen’s version of that kiss😂😂😂
How silly today's world is, that pic has been around for 79 years already way before most of us were even born..., WTF ???
What nonsense. In addition, if you know anything about the history of photo journalism, many iconic and important "candid" photographs were actually staged (sometimes soon after the original moment had occurred) by the photographer in order to achieve a more aesthetic image. People have lost their minds!
Another reason I can appreciate shows like "The View" and others: I can identify points that I agree with, don't agree with, and hadn't been privy to prior. I hear what Whoop is saying about addressing really dire things that have happened to our female Vets and I align most with what Sara mentioned about how the two people pictured remained friends after the photo was taken. I would defer to the lady being kissed and get her perspective above all us. (I understand she is no longer with us, but if she was still alive, I would get her in on the conversation before taking the photo down.)
She gave multiple interviews. She basically said the kiss wasn’t her choice, but she also didn’t view it as sexual assault. She described it as not being a romantic kiss and more of a kiss of pure joy the war was over. She also appeared at events with him later in life and signed copies of the photo.
I know you probably don’t care for the Daily Wire, but they interviewed the granddaughter today. The article is titled “‘She Never Felt Violated’: Granddaughter Of Nurse Kissed In Iconic WWII Photo Responds To VA’s Woke Memo”
@@Supermanfan99 And if that’s the case, that’s the case. I was a little disappointed that the ladies at the table dismissed it so vehemently, 😕
@@stupid8911 I’m honestly surprised by their response, but I think people are just getting tired of judging past events through an absolute black and white modern lens without ever considering context.
It’s like we can’t acknowledge our forefathers were flawed products of their time that had good ideas and birthed this country. Instead people want them viewed as nothing more than absolute evil for owning slaves. Controlling the narrative of the past is key to power.
@@Supermanfan99 Perhaps you and I can agree to disagree about the original framing of U.S. history and how it was taught to us in school, but I can appreciate the civil discussion.
I’ve seen that picture hundreds of times. Not once did i thought there was something sexual about. It was joy.
Only evil here are the people trying to put a stain on it.
Wow the view actually saying something logical for once.
Oh i heard that story and turned the tv immediately. I wasnt even an egg in 1945 and cant prove whats what
Whoopi💖
Bit by bit until it is all gone.
Merikkans are crazy 😂😂😂😂😂
If it bothered her, she could have used her knee.
How does Sunny always have something in common with every situation?!
How petty you are. Sara and Alyssa spoke about commonality with the topic but you chose to criticize one host. Have a seat.
@@Chillhard go sit several seats with her
Totally me too moment here.
Ever since the "baby its cold outside" song was under fire, I knew this would be next on the chopping block. I'm just surprised it took so long for people to notice 😂
I usually disagree with the view , credit where it is due. Good job
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My Father served 23 years in the military. He was diagnosed with cancer 7 months ago and can not start his chemo treatments because of the red tape. Absolutely ungodly!
People are turning crazy and against their own interests 😢
My dad fought in Korea. My husband’s uncle fought in World War 2!🇺🇸
So your family just couldn’t get along with anybody 😂
It pains me to agree with Whoopi but her stance on Veterans is spot on
A lot of people agree with Whoopi on many things. Nothing Painful about it. Right is Right, Wrong is Wrong no matter who says it.
I think there was a lot of kissing going on when this photo was taken. ….beautiful picture.
Let's call the objection to this iconic Times Square pic what it is: *toxic woke.*
This Generation of Young People are so Weak in Mind they could never live through real Tough Times they are Spoiled.
It stupid to remove this photo. Leave it be. Leave it hanging up.
The View panel took a common sense pill with their OJ this morning!!
Really surprised they all agreed. Thought some might think the picture depicted sexual assault.
Well the woman in the picture didn’t view it as sexual assault so I think we should take her word.
lol you mean a kiss in a time where most women wanted to marry a man and live happily ever after in their 50’s steppford bride type way. It’s not consensual but it probably led to some spicy letters written between the two.
Do they not understand that their views have caused this to be a problem? They love to shout the me too movement but let this picture pass? Hypocrites.
I just saw that photo in a store this week and thought "Man, he could not get away with that today".
That's true, but you might have noticed that the photo was NOT taken today.
@@paradisepipeco Thanks, Einstein.
@@ld4974 You should think before you post. You can avoid a good deal of embarrassment that way, Junior. You missed my point. An adult can explain it to you, Karen.
Depends . If the girl would be ok with that or not.
@@kant.68 It is both irrelevant and disingenuous to imply or project judgement on events in a photo taken in 1945 at a celebration of the preservation of our freedom with our victory in WW2, in which the very existence of our nation was severely challenged and our very survival had been subject to serious doubt over four years.
Additionally, the woman and the sailor did not know each other when the photo was taken, but began a years-long friendship following that event.
wow these women finally said something that actually makes sense. and the picture is iconic also we had different sensibilities back then. it's like the veterans administration is doing the bait and switch, it's like they address a non-issue the same like they're doing something to get away from the real issue. Americans need to hold the government accountable. no veteran should have to grovel for health care there shouldn't even be or rather there shouldn't even be a need for organizations like the wounded warrior project, because the government and government contractors like McDonald's Douglas Raytheon and a myriad of other corporations should supply prosthetics and chip in for the medical cost there shouldn't even be medical cost for veterans nothing should ever be itemized on a bill when it comes to their health care that is the least they are owed. they should have the best of the best of the best. they should have counseling they should have medicine medical care physical rehabilitation and a stipend to live off of that you can actually live off of. but how do you justify spending over a billion dollars on a bomber and millions and millions of dollars on smart bombs but you can't take care of a veteran amputee? that is ridiculous when you think about it so all they get is a thank you for your service. That's what you get when you get your legs blown off when you lose an eye you get a thank you and a pat on the back, prostitutes get more than that, and I'm not even being funny. these guys and gals and a lot of situations are actually true heroes to one another and to be ridicued and dogged out by the VA is just unacceptable and cruel. you got to remember that a lot of these young men and women enlisted at 17 and 18 years old right out of high school, and for 3 to 6 years however long they're deployments that's their life that's all they know until they come back out into the real world and if they are injured, this is what they have to look forward to? anyway I usually hate the view, never want to hear anything they have to say they are repungent, they suck. but I actually agree with him this time and thank you the view.
Actually that woman in the picture hated that it become so emblematic of the era and it made her uncomfortable. I agree it’s ridiculous that someone not involved in the pic calls trauma. However let’s not twist reality to suit your narrative.
Wait a minute the more important question is they still have that photo up dude I haven’t seen that photo in like 20 years! the VA still has that up?
Ummm ok🤨
Right. We’ve got bigger issues than this.
in America getting offended is the new trend. for Americans i am offended sunny & joy is still sitting there.