How to USE MIDI to Control Your DMX LIGHTING - Full Tutorial
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- In this video, we are going over how to use MIDI to control your DMX lighting gear. So you can send midi commands to your DMX controlled lighting using a midi keyboard/controller/foot controller, or you can also use a tablet/computer to send MIDI to your lighting in order to sync up to the music. This is a fairly advanced tutorial, and you should understand the basics of MIDI and DMX programming before starting. If you need help, watch my beginner DMX guide here: and watch my beginner MIDI guide here: • MIDI Programming & Com...
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0:00 - Intro
1:15 - Gear Needed
2:15 - My DMX Controller & Lights
4:01 - Programming Scenes
5:38 - Program A Chase
6:41 - Assign MIDI Channel (IMPORTANT)
7:24 - How Does Your Controller Respond to MIDI
8:34 - Options for Sending MIDI
9:02 - Using a MIDI Controller
10:01 - Programming My MIDI Foot Controller
13:21 - Syncing Lights To Music
14:52 - MIDI Out in Stage Traxx
16:04 - Syncing Exactly To The Music
17:00 - Using iPad to Send MIDI
19:20 - Using A Computer To Send MIDI
21:33 - Limitations
22:50 - How I Use This
23:15 - Does This Exist?
23:44 - These Devices Might Help
25:19 - Outro
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Thanks man! I appreciate that! Editing takes sooooo long with these videos, so I’m glad to hear people appreciate it 😁
This channel gets better and better!
Thank you! 😊😊
Scott: Within Logic, if you go into the drop-down menu entry "Settings... / Display...", there is a setting in the "Displays" section called "Display Middle C As:". By default, it is set to "C3 (Yamaha)". If you change this to the alternate setting "C4 (Roland)", your Note Names and MIDI numbers will align in accordance with those indicated in your DMX controller documentation.
BOOM! Knowledge! Thanks man, I appreciate it! I was wondering why it was doing that. I seriously didn't even think about it until I was editing and I was like... wait a minute. I appreciate the definitive answer! Thanks for sharing.
USELESS TRIVIA: Way back in the day when my brother and I first got midi controllable lights we showed up in the A.M. after a gig the night before and programmed every light and scene laboriously one at a time. We spent HOURS doing this, Until our sound guy came in and said "Why don't you just copy the horns track midi and send it to the lights?" Haha We were so pissed! It really was that easy with the gear we had at the time!
Great video Scott. I'm amazed at how doable all of this stuff is today. Thank you for this video!
😂😂😂 the number of times I’ve spent hours doing something just to find out there is an easier solution hahahaha
You're such a positive person. Thanks for the amazing tutorials!
Glad you like them!
Great vid as usual. I do this with a Chauvet Foot-C2, which is a little more limited than a full controller, but is perfect for what I need and adds emergency foot control over the lights for instances of "technical difficulty" that inevitably arise. Thanks again for all you do!
Nice! I haven't heard of that one and I'll have to check it out. Thanks!
Another very informative video mate. Cheers.
Thanks Alan 🤘🤘
You always have answers to my questions, i absolutly learned a lot on your channel. Thanks man.
Glad to hear it!
I’m really excited for the w1mk2. This would work as your “box” if you will. This device is amazing, I’m blown away. The M2 had usb that can have a midi input. The midi input can trigger lighting scenes you setup within the w1mk2! It also makes patching fixtures a dream!
Exactly the video I was looking for and couldn’t find anywhere. Thanks
Glad to help 🤘
With a few bands I play live with, we use a cymatic utrack 24 to send backing tracks to FOH and to our iem monitoring system BUT it also has a midi out that we use for lights.
It's discontinued since the brand no longer exists but check it out and if you find one 2nd hand I suggest you get it because it's really a neat piece of gear to have !
I used to use FreeStyler DMX software on a laptop (with USB-DMX dongle) to control my lights which were mostly 2 moving head spots with GOBO's and 2 7-LED PAR's. Along the way I picked up a far number of wireless DMX units like yours before completely downsizing to a boring all-in-one T-Bar like every other one you'd have seen with a foot-switch. I do still have all of that other gear and occasionally consider getting back into it, but since I bring the PA most of the time the extra load-out and low pay tends to make that unappealing. Always open to new ways to do this and if I get into backing tracks like you've put out so many great tutorials about this may be that "next level" thing to bring the show game up a notch. Cheers!
Thanks! And yeah, bring lights AND PA can be a lot for sure. Being in Colorado, anytime it’s in the mountains, the load in is always a nightmare. I’ve had to take it up ski lifts (well, enclosed ones) before lol. It definitely made me want to downsize. I have a pretty small setup that actually does work quite well though!
Looks like I've got two introductory videos to catch up on. Thanks for the great content Scott
Glad to help 🤘
You have helped me more than you know. SUBBED!!!
Thank you 🙏 Glad to hear it!
Brilliant - thank you! 🙏
We use Stage Traxx to send MIDI to MainStage to trigger FX, now we can control the lights as well🥳
Nice!
So helpful! Y'all, we need to get this guy to a MM Subs. Its a crime you are not there already Scott
Thank you Chris! 🤘
Great video...looking forward for the B Beat video!
That thing is wild!
Thank you for making great videos, I`ve learned a lot from them! I have been looking for a lighting/DMX setup that can be controlled by Stage Traxx and also supports fades, and I think I finally found a good solution using Stage Traxx app, Photon 2 app and a DMX King MAX 1 connected to a wireless router. I tested the setup live last saturday and it worked flawlessly. Earlier I`ve been using a similar controller to what you are demonstrating in this video, but I really wanted the possibility to program fades. Big thanks to you Scott and to CaliforniaCreedence, for making great and useful content!
Thanks! I just started using the DoreMidi Midi to DMX converter and it’s been working very well! Video coming soon
@@ScottUhlMusic good to hear, I look forward to watch the video 👍👍
Thanks! I emailed you about trying to run my lights with my iPad and you were kind enough to point me to your video. I have watched it a few times but something clicked. There are to routes for me to accomplish what I want but I have now managed to create a midi track, export it to MT and have it cue my Chauvet Foot C-2. So, I know I can make that work. Next, I am going to try and get the Photon-2 app to trigger the show. It seems much slicker. Thanks.
Awesome! Thanks for this comment, and I’m glad the video clicked for you!
Haha love that you use my exact setup. I use the MC6 pro to control stage Traxx which sends midi to the ADJ in my rack with widi Jack to control my ape labs lights!
Nice!! Good choices 😊
That MVP unit is very interesting. Hope they send you a test unit soon. Subscribed!
I’m going to talk to them at their booth at NAMM. Looking forward to finding out more!
for fading in/flashing the lights I use the standard midi control CC00. values between 0-5 are very usable
Is that because your hardware supports CC input, or because all hardware supports CC input and some manuals fail to mention it?
My new favorite channel wow
Thank you! 🤘
Curious to see some of those new products. I've just been trying out Lightkey to send MIDI from my Ableton tracks, then from the laptop to Artnet. It seems to work well enough, but would love something easier to set up for a cover band sized catalog.
Nice! The b beat video will be out next week. Definitely curious on checking on that MVP. My computer is too old to handle ALL the midi, tracks, lighting, and video for my live show haha
Amazing video! Have you explored using the b-beat to control lights while also doing helix patch/snapshot switches or something similar? Or would you do a video like that? Very specific situation I'm after here but would be real handy :D
Thanks! And yeah the B beat can do that for sure! I have videos on my channel of controlling helix with midi 🤘
I just purchased MC6 Pro to change my splits during a song but also have it control DMXIS (that I helped the developer Dave Brown troubleshoot), vox FX, Axe FX, and Roland kit. Ableton is my VST host for complex 80s patches and counts us in. My band doesn’t use backing tracks but I do for solo gigs. -John Ianni
Nice! Great setup you have there, and thank you for the donation 🤘😊 I appreciate it!
Thank you
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Awesome video man! thanks a lot! Is there something that might replace DMXIS on the market?
I need to find one, Dmxis was so great
Just started doing this with my helix. I can change scenes,chases, switch from rhythm to lead tone, bypass or unbypass different fx all with a single foot switch press. I've got it setup with my snapshots as verses and chorus for each song.
Nice!!
Hey man, great video. I'm wondering why I might want to use/convert to a midi controller rather than just buying a DMX foot controller like the Eurolite DMX Move Bigfoot?
Thanks! And using software is definitely easier, but this is a helpful way to do it without having to use a laptop or software
Hey Scott, I'm glad I found your channel. Pulling my hair out in trying to automate tracks with DMX from Mainstage. This video helped a lot. I could get the scenes trigged as I added notes on the MIDI track in Logic. When I export the track as MIDI point out the exact same channel that worked with logic, and load it in Maistage it doesn't work. As far as I know, Mainstage only sends the MIDI file once and when I change the patch. Let me know if you have any thoughts of what I am doing wrong. Thanks for sharing such a valuable content.
Interesting… I tried MainStage years ago and decided to go with ableton, so I’m not familiar with MainStage. Try using that midi file in different software and see if it’s a problem with MainStage or the midi file.
Hi Scott, I use StageTraxx on Mac. Great videos BTW. I can't use midimittr on my Mac. Do you have any suggestions as I don't have a pedal or any other hardware?
Thanks! And you can use the Widi Master / WIDI Jack: czcams.com/video/GZVG2UfwJ4w/video.htmlsi=Oa8IVF4JkFCk5S98
Scott, when you go into stagetraxx 3, edit lyrics area, what is this area/type of programming called? I'd like to look for documentation to learn more about what is possible. Thanks.
My stage traxx midi video is here: czcams.com/video/R5IIrmJWKJ8/video.htmlsi=BtPYcpw7_iH6MeJm
HI Scott, Could you possibly do a tutorial on programming chases with the operator 384, storing chase speeds and fade times and then programming in stagetraxx 3 a complete song switching between scenes and chases. I'm struggling to figure this out. Thanks
Yeah I want to figure that out as well
Hey Scott ,Great video , Have you looked at the Enttec dmx usb pro it can store show on, you still need a controller or app, But once you have built you show it can store it so no need for a laptop . Keep up the good work .
That’s really crazy you mention that because I JUST read that like 3 minutes ago haha. Good timing! I have to look into that more. I cannot stand that their software is a subscription though. That’s drives me nuts.
@@ScottUhlMusic not sure if it's subscription now but mine was around £120.00 and that's all I payed , I brought the extra Breakout leads which has midi in and midi out as well as the dmx in,s and out,s, I build my shows with D-Pro which is now subscription but wasn't when I bought it I bought the lift time license so all good their. Have a look into it may work out for you. Great channel you have has helped me a lot so thanks and keep up the good work
OSC is also really helpful for DMX and for making custom DMX devices.
I need to look into that more. I’ve heard good things about it
Hi Scott, did you manage to figure out the fade timing issue between scenes?
I did not, no
Hello Scott, thanks for the tutorial, really helpful !
Nevertheless I do have one question, I'm using the operator 384 as well, do you know if there is a way to control the intensity via midi ?
From what I understood, via midi, I can only select bank, chase and scene, but I would like to have my red intensity fading, do you know if that's possible ?
Cheers
I believe that’s with the value of midi if I’m not mistaken. But I find this method is better for triggering scenes mostly
@@ScottUhlMusic you mean with CC ? I tried some CCs but no result on intensity so far :/
Hello, great tutorial, congratulations. Do you know Edvard Hansson? I would like to try creating a light show like he does with a visualizer such as Wysiwyg or Daslight, using only a DAW (Cubase in my case) before testing it with actual lights.
Do you know how it works? Would you be able to explain it in a video? I have been desperately searching for someone who can explain it for at least 10 years, but I have never been lucky enough to find someone who can explain it to me...
I haven’t heard of Edvard, but I’ll have to check it out 👍
You asked for a box that just takes MIDI commands and outputs to DMX. Have you ever taken a look at the DecaBox MIDI to DMX Converter? Looks like it does exactly what you're looking for. Also, thanks so much for the videos. I've watched this one several times just trying to figure out what to do with my light show.
Yes!!! It looks amazing and exactly what I’m looking for! One other person recommended it, you are the second one. I definitely want to get that 🤘🤘
Scott, is there a way to program/create a midi light show in Logic via DMXis software (alongside the backing track so it’s perfectly on time) and export the midi data to stagetraxx3 in the backing track file?
While using the enttec DMX pro hooking up to my computer to speak to the lights
Dmxis hardware needs the software to work, so unfortunately you cannot export it to ST3
Have you found a way top run the MIDI commands as a synched track or something, from your SPD?
We run our Backing Tracks from the SPD-SX, hoping we can tie this to lighting also by sending a synced track on maybe the sub output to a DMX controller?
I haven’t tried outputting midi from the Spdsx, just inputting midi. I would have to look into that because I’m not sure if it does allow that
hmm yeah, we'll have a look into it also :) @@ScottUhlMusic
do you have a video where the audio is playing while the midi is controlling the lights? from 1 Ipad... thx
Not for this, but the idea is the same… send midi from a device that can send audio and midi and it will work 👍
Would using the wave generator on the MC8 help with the limitations you mentioned?
🤔 how would that work? I’m intrigued!
@@ScottUhlMusic I haven’t played around with the wave generator, so I don’t know about it’s full potential. But if it’s possible, the waveform could modulate between CC values of 0 and 127. If you set the waveform duration for quarter notes, you could trigger lighting events to turn on precisely on the downbeats.
@@tangobasso Oh man that would be interesting for sure! I don't know if my ADJ controller responds to CC commands though.
Hi, can I control DMX mixer with MIDI program change or it is possible only with MIDI note?
It depends on the DMX controller
Hey I was wonedring if I have a launchpad X and i connect it to a PC and then connect a usb to dmx cable from a pc into the lights do i still need to get a midi to dmx controller like you have the adj dmx operator 284 or would it just work with the lanuchpad to pc and pc straight to lights?
I haven’t used the launchpad X so I’m not sure
does the usb to dmx cable (plugged from oc to lights) change midi to dmx instead of the dmx controller?
also if the lights dont have presets but have channel 1 is red channel 2 green channel 3 blue and channel 4 is stroboscopic all have 0-255 is there a way to controll that with the pc?
btw i want to use it live not program it
Hi, do you change the MIDI/DMX switch when triggering from MIDI and not from the controller?
I'm trying to get my lights trigged from Cubase but they are dead. Works from the controller (same as you have) The USB interface is Roland UM One. Can that be the problem?
If I understand your correctly, this might be a better solution for you: czcams.com/video/rI3OKKrHGPA/video.htmlsi=HH5dZ5bOxhPcZIiV
@@ScottUhlMusic I mean the switch on the ADJ 384. Is it set to DMX or MIDI when you control it in daw?
My USB blinks-interface and gets signal, but nothing happens with the lights so something is wrong clearly.
I have an iPad Pro 12” that only has a USB C output.
Is there a way to use my 1 iPad, to play tracks and control lighting simultaneously? Can you output USB-MIDI and mini Jack to a splitter, simultaneously, aswell as charging?
Interesting… I haven’t tried that. But you could use the widi master or widi jack to wirelessly send midi commands and still have access to the usb c port for other stuff 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic I’ll give this a shot. Thank you Scott. Love the channel 👌🏽
This is kind of a long shot, but I just got into dmx controlling and got a pretty basic controller. I got the hang of creating scenes and chases etc. I run into problems when trying to use midi controlling. I cant get the controller to recieve the midi notes,
The setup is pretty simple,
DAW (fl studio) -> USB midi to DMX -> DMX controller
Im pretty sure the midi channel setup is correct, but Im kind of at a loss and cant figure out what Im doing wrong.
Any help is appreciated :)
That could be so many things to be honest. My best guess is that it’s the way the computer is setup to output midi is off. That’s usually the issue. I would mess with FL to see if it’s outputting midi correctly 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic Turns out I connected the wrong MIDI cable into the DMX controller, should have checked it before doing hours of troubleshooting hahah
After using the ADJ 384 controller a little more, I feel like the DMX implementation could have been better. When you select a scene and go to another bank and select another scene, it doesn’t shut off the first scene. If you go back to that first bank the scene will still be on. A scene should trigger the previous scene off.
Also blackout should have an all scenes off function. This way you can start a programmed song fresh. Changing songs around a list for different shows will create all sorts of conflicts between beginnings and endings.
Anyway this is just an input to help. Maybe you can try to pre program the lights then use midi to sync the lights with the music tracks.
You, that would be a great way to use this 👍
but you could help me out: tell me how I can program midi-commands to have a kind of "in between"-light (white) when a song ends and the next song starts.
thanks in advance
You would just trigger a white scene between songs 👍 same way to you trigger any lighting with DMX
problem is, I don't work with "scenes". I treat light like midi-notes. There are only 4 pitches for blue green red and white from C0-D#0 and I'd like to have (for example) white (D#0) to hold till the next song starts. I use Eurolite LED CLS-18 QCL RGBW. There is an app called MPS by miditool I use, that can do that when ever I stop the song (as it tuns off the reverb etc...) I even sucked out the midi-notes it sends for the "pause"-light, but if I send it from a different sequenzer-app like cubase/logic... it just doesn't hold it... but it is a windows device and therefor not very stable - having troubles with drivers all the time. So I search for a Mac or IOs - solution...
Shoulda known it would be wireless 🔥
Hey Scott….I was just wondering if you are familiar/used this or and similar unit….. Behringer C210 200W Active Column Speaker
With a speaker? Like a PA speaker?
Lol….this is just a random question….not pertaining to this particular video….have you every used these types of speaker systems
Oh lol. I was so confused haha. I have the EV evolve 50s and I love them!
Can you use midi to control rotating heads?
You can, but that would be pretty tough with something like this unless you were able to trigger scenes
Will this lighting controller send midi messages for programming stagetrax?
My understanding is that this DMX controller can be used to send midi. But I’ve never done that personally…. And I would just get a midi controller for that purpose instead
@@ScottUhlMusic My disconnect in understanding here is why wouldn’t I want to use the controller that is already right in front of me? What is the benefit to sending the command with another controller? Wont that just add an unnecessary layer of complexity?
@@joeydego2 I need to look into it more, but I believe it either sends DMX or MIDI, but not both. I prefer Foot Controllers for MIDI, but definitely do whichever works best for your setup!
@@ScottUhlMusicYou are correct. There is a switch on the back for DMX OR Midi, not both.
Hey Scott thanks for your videos. Without your videos I would still be in the dark. Is there no solution from CME to drive midi dmx? May be the widi uhost? I want to use the M live b beat , to control two modeling amps and the light. Thx for your Help.
You should be able to use wireless midi from
CME to control lighting the same way it works in this video 👍
Roland VC-1-DMX? YuanKanJu DecaBox MIDI to DMX Converter?
Holy shit that second one might be it!!!!!! Thank you for sharing. I’m going to look more into that 🤘🤘🤘🤘
Another option might be the doremidi midi to dmx box mtd-1014
Roland VC-1-DMX?
Oooh interesting… although it seems like it says it changes the lights based on the incoming video and audio signals. I don’t know if it’s as programmable as I want it to be? Like can I send CC1 (or note 12 or whatever) and it loads what I’ve saved for scene 1?
Actually… I watched a tutorial on it, it’s pretty wild! I think that other one you said would be better. Thanks for the suggestions!
I purchased this same lighting controller. This works with a Widi jack only AFTER:
You flip the polarity switch. This took a half hour out of my life.
You have to power the Widi jack. The ADJ sends no power from the midi out.
Other than that I’m up and running.
It’s always a half hour to figure out one switch needs to be flipped lol
@@ScottUhlMusic Can you verify if the ADJ 384 USB port provides power to a WIDI device?
Just for documentary purposes if anyone else stumbles across this: the midi output jack WILL NOT power a WIDI device, such as a WIDI jack. The USB B jack will, however. Amazon USB B to USB C cable and problem solved.
use freestyler with usb DMX interface! It is much easyer…
I’ll have to check it out, thanks!
So now I'm looking at my Helix, thinking 'this can send midi commands...'
Yup! It definitely would work for this!
MTD 1024
My next video is on that 🤘
What about this Bro
DORMIDI MIDI TO DMX
Working on a video now 👍
I’m thinking of running this setup, but just wanted to know, how can I change the intensity of the light? By that, I mean fade from black to full white at a speed I’d like?
Cheers for the great video!
With this exact setup, the speed function is the toughest. That’s why digital software can have more control over it
@@ScottUhlMusic Ah - that's what I suspected. Sorry, I'm a complete beginner (if it wasn't already obvious), so do you have any pointers for how I can add said digital software to the setup?
Cheers mate