The First Holy Grail War Explained [Fate/Stay Night] [Fate/Zero] [FGO]
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- čas přidán 8. 11. 2020
- Have you ever wondered why we fight these Holy Grail Wars in the first place. This segment dives into the origin of the three main bodies that started it all. The Einzberns, the Makiri, and the Tohsakas, play a significant role in birthing the battle royale that we've come to experience today.
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Would be hilarious if the owner of the 3rd magic was still alive and it happened to be the owner of the bar that Shiro works at.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
What bar ?
@@donq8990 shirou works at a random bar
@@randoshmuckarias1296 Not random, it's the Copenhagen, owned by the father of one of Taiga's friends, Otoko Hotaruzuka. Her nickname is is "Neko".
@@lopez.jacinto.6726 jesus christ man do you read the wiki as the bible lol. But still thanks for the info
6:00 Imma tell my kids this was Irisviel, Waver and Shinji.
*Irisviel, waver and, chu culain gtfo shinji
Specify that it's extra shinji so he's less hateable
Zolken used to be styling had the hair color of Cu, the style of Kiritsugu, and the dead eyes of Kirei, I KNOW women were shifting them legs
Then he became sex offender worm pile
Except Cu was once a good man,bruh.
Sad that he become worm rapist
Shh Don't just expose me like that....
@@Lemuel928 except the Dino president Cú
I actually kind of feel bad for Zolken because of the original reason why he wanted to win the Holy Grail war seemed to have to do with his feelings for Justeaze and he's lost sight of that due to how his mind has left him because of him extending his life.
Fighting darnic really fuck his mind.
As long as you don't defend what he did- even Justeaze is rather disgusted with what he became and what he's done.
Love is very dangerous. Live long enough with the same emotions will destroy your old self.
His story is eerily similar to Kiritsugu's. He was trying to find a legitimate way to bring world peace and realizes its unobtainable. Still clings and then finally caves into the pain of living after 200 years and becomes a worm rapist
Thats why i would love to see a a alternative timeline, where Makiri decided to stop the war before it beginns. And in the end he destroy the grail and all the bad stuff never happened and we see Sakura as a Matou but this time with a happy live, together with the Kariya and Shinji
That powerful mage who produced the third magic by himself already has me shook. He’ll maybe be shown at some point but not any time soon I’m sure. Just hearing about him though has me kinda hype.
Zelretch who produced the 2nd killed type moon, the original vampire who holds true dominion over all mature.
Type moon- crimson moon brunestud tried to bring down pieces of theia and gaia to unite, bringing down the moon to earth... zelretch used 2nd magic kaleidoscope to push back the moon indefinitely and murder crimson moon.
All true magic users are beyond overpowered, and unlike zelretch and his kaleidoscope, heavens feel's creator would still be in their peak condition with the 3rd magic's indefinite absolute immortality
@@acehughj4527to be honest the only one I really know by heart is heaven’s feel. The others I’m somewhat oblivious to because I don’t hear about them much. But it’s all pretty fascinating.
Considering it was recently stated that FGO is planned to continue on at least another 5 years, it's possible they could touch on it there. I mean after the incineration of humanity and the lostbelts, I can think of little else that could feel like a threat on par or superior to that other than a user of true magic, or maybe one of the Types.
@@notanotaku1101 they properably going to summon type mercury ORTE in lostbelt 7 and i bet they need at least 3rd magic to counter that thing.
@@notanotaku1101 Considering the clue about the Outer God in LB4.5 though, I think the next part would have their involment be in more of a limelight next. These being are a source of a much, much worse trouble to come.
I'm guessing that third magic guy was just a con artist and everyone is still trying to replicate his trick till this day.
Gawd, that'd be awesome if that were true.
@@Frank_West a lie that was believed till it became reality
Maybe because they are gone from The Age of Gods.
The third magic guy is your OP deadpool that can hop multiverses ,always bored and loves to prank the unsuspecting victim with troll sub dimensions which may harbor eldritch entities
Oh wait we talkin bout third not second..Lol my mistake
@@actuallysatan7105
You must be mistakin for the nutty vampire for a wizard marshall that so happens the Tohsakas are acquainted with.
The guy who created the Third Magic must be a chad.
Or Merlin...
@@lokksiders__2151 that's a possibility
@@lokksiders__2151 There's a mage before Merlin, Solomon, if I remember correctly he's the reason why magic as a whole and concept is brought to the world, he had even to say Omnipotent power due to owning the 10 rings that God gave him.
It was Jesus
@@milcho8233 dude that was solomon
The grail being a wish-granting device, then add one angry Mathew to reverse that decision
Quite them angry marble
more like it turned the grail into a monkey's paw
Angry mango the source of all evil
Meanwhile in fgo, the weakest and hardest servant to got
Srsly tho, Angry Macha is just more or less a "what if Jesus actually hated the people"
It’s great how the two founders with Japanese sounding names and appearance are foreigners and the Einzberns, who have a Russian aesthetic going on, are from Japan.
The Einzbers are Germans
@@unicorn_homunculi111 still they somehow give off a russian vibe
How is einzbern from japan?
You mean Zolken. Einzbern is from Germany, and yes, I thought Illya was from Russia as well (because it sounded like a Russian name).
Zolken is from Russia, and after coming to Japan, it became “Zouken” which is more of a Japanese pronunciation.
Tohsaka's are from Japan, Einzberns are German, and Makiri's were Russian, but changed their name to fit in.
The owner of the third magic is lancer's boss at the fish shop in the spin off
The plot thickens
@Toneri Ōtsutsuki the visual novel
Zelretch who produced the 2nd killed type moon, the original vampire who holds true dominion over all mature.
Type moon- crimson moon brunestud tried to bring down pieces of theia and gaia to unite, bringing down the moon to earth... zelretch used 2nd magic kaleidoscope to push back the moon indefinitely and murder crimson moon.
All true magic users are beyond overpowered, and unlike zelretch and his kaleidoscope, heavens feel's creator would still be in their peak condition with the 3rd magic's indefinite absolute immortality.
I remember there is also Mahoyo's Mc who uses one of the true magics, hers dominate time... it allows her to use whatever she wants since she has infinite Mana, because she simply transfers all costs that appear in the law of causality and equivalence to only come in the future, and when that future comes she is free to transfer them sometime else.
Well, the world of type moon are literally shaped by these true magics after all, and even Gods and reality marbles are forms of it.. q
Oh yeah, Aoko Aozaki, right?
They sould make an anime serie about Miss Blue...
@@redhorseman7599 For real though, UFOtable needs to give her the Fate series treatment. Or the studio that did Oath Under Snow, I’m fine will either.
Seeing how much it takes to acquire True Magic really speaks volumes of how powerful and intelligent the magi who actually acquired magic are (except the thief Aoko).
Shirou and rin producing 2nd magic belike hon hon
@@randoshmuckarias1296 Too be fair they already had the path towards the 2nd laid for them. They just needed the means (Illya's help and Archer's arm).
Well, Aoko wasn't the one that created the 5th. It was her grandpa. Also she stole nothing, Touko was just disinherited and salty about it.
a matter of perspective, did u see anything beyond Tsukihime's prologue to pass judgement?
@@umu-san4414 To be fair instead of Archer's arm they could have just waited for Shirou to grow up a little while keeping up with his training in a hypothetical scenario where that is possible and he didn't lose his arm.
You know, love can Corrupt a good man like Zouken.
Since he wanted to complete her goal.
Honestly I think a large part of why true magic is so hard to get your hands on has to do with mages keeping to each other so much and not thinking outside the box. For fuck's sake in strange/fake one family nearly figured out how to artificially give everyone and their mother EX-tier magic circuits stealing some of Zouken's info. Then they fucked up the process by being dicks.
Wow Fate/Zero is one of my favorite anime and this adds so much to that story, thank you! I wish they would animate this
It’s shown in hf3
Fate just got a lot deeper
I can see where Rin gets her best girl DNA, because Nagato Tohsaka is a damn snack.
👀
Huh ya know the thought that the original user of the third magic might be alive never once’s occurred to me. Guy would be OP as all hell.
They’d be a perfect immortal who’d never feel ill, hungry or tired. Not only that but would have unlimited magical energy able to spam any attack or fight for forever if they wanted to.
Honestly it’s pretty ridiculous
Yeah, but he wouldn't have free will right? He is probably on some land living a simple and happy life for all eternity
If we're going by fantasy logic then yes the user is probably alive and just looking from the background laughing it's ass thinking look at all this pitiful wannabe magician imma just live here chillin and shit so just do your pitiful things.
Zelretch who produced the 2nd killed type moon, the original vampire who holds true dominion over all mature.
Type moon- crimson moon brunestud tried to bring down pieces of theia and gaia to unite, bringing down the moon to earth... zelretch used 2nd magic kaleidoscope to push back the moon indefinitely and murder crimson moon.
All true magic users are beyond overpowered, and unlike zelretch and his kaleidoscope, heavens feel's creator would still be in their peak condition with the 3rd magic's indefinite absolute immortality
@@luigitaku1018 why not? the 3rd magic doesn't do anything to free will. Hell given it's just literal soul magic your will would be empowered beyond compare.
third magic is soul magic to simply say put. Imagine the guy actually dying physically but reincarnating like nothing happens and remembers everything. I be just ignoring my old life cause it's stressful as heck if that was the case
This is why I love this anime series They really could do a lot with the fate stay night anime series with the timeline I never knew there was so much to the series they could turn the rest of the series timeline into a anime series I would love that good review 💞
dude this fricking fate lore is just to confusing im about to get a headache, but besides that most of the video was pretty understandable and very enjoyable thanks man.
Yeah it's too confusing and too much hidden information. I just like the fights because getting into the rest is too much for nothing
@@R.O.T.C._SEEM yeah when i firat watched the main story line like three years ago i just thought oh the animation is well done and the fights are good but didnt get the story at all so i got some more information about the lore and its pretty good abd bc of that i rewatched it but when i look smth up on the fate fandom wiki its more confusing than every maths exam i ever took like whaaat.
Always excited to see new videos
Tsiah stay uploading bangers no cap
Thank you so much for this video, my guy. I like Fate, but mostly come for the servants. I've seen almost all the anime and played some of the Fate GO game, but I still can rap my dumbass around half the shit that be going down in the Fateverse. So thanks for breaking it down for me.
Man where the hell you been? I was just getting desperate for new content from you.
I hope you've been doing well btw.
kinda its you hard when you read novel and realise even Zouken , the worst person in fate stay , did it for to humanity.
Zouken is basically a trajic hero, but when you only consume the anime you would never know it till you decide to dive deeper into fate lore. Like I thought he was nothing but a souless bastard that hurt Kariya and Sakura to the point of self-destruction all for his own self-interest, only to find out he was a man who dreamed big but was disappointed in the end. Still doesn't excuse the shit he pulled on his own blood but atleast he isn't so flat imo.
Irisviel vs hydraulic press
Wouldn’t this mean that the mage who created the third magic is even more powerful than Solomon and Merlin ? Wow
Nah probably not. This are grand casters we are talking about.
@@drakejoy2902 exactly, just imagine if the grand casters doesn't bounded by contracts
@@empforceone Rather than that, it would be more like Solomon, the original Grand Caster, could just create True Magic at will and as a result, basically creating magecraft in the process. We do not know the full extent of Solomon's power, but it can be reasonable assumed that he was to Merlin what Merlin is to other casters. Merlin, having inherited the title of Grand Caster from Solomon tells us that he is at least strong enough to effectively wield, if not create, True Magic himself.
The only thing we know about the First Magic is that its wielder was “born the night before B.C. became A.D." which sounds like they mean Jesus Christ, the man with likely the closest connection to the Grail in history due to a shared origin, and that the first magic was something granted by God. In the case of The Third Magic, it must also have some special connection with God, which can be derived from its name "Heaven's Feel". From what I can gather, I think that the original wielder of the Third Magic was something like a priest or Extremely devout follower of the church, and his devotion was rewarded with the Magic, and he was the progenitor of the group who created the Einsburns.
Most likely that mage was a Vampire or a man from the Age of Gods that manifested their entire power.
The 5 magics and bordering true magic are very different. Solomon or any grand caster wouldn't really stand a chance against type moon while zelrich did win in a 1v1. So in terms of that a true magician has better feats the 6 sisters also defeated type pluto. Beast 1 is well a beast of disaster and needed thousands of years of preparation and for lev to not die or suicide for his master plan to work. Zelritch just kinda showed up one day to 1v1 crimson moon
Love youre vids
Nice video.
This was really interesting
Bro awesome video! Can you do a video explaining the Original Magic/True magic and the different types?
Finally!!
Watching this explains a lot of the flashbacks in Heaven’s Feel 3
The creation of the first holy war could make a very spinoff which explains the origin of everything in the naverse like the the creation of mage associations, creation of mage craft and the names of users of first true magic, third true magic and fourth true magic
I would love to see an anime of the previous wars.
You mean aside from fate zero?
@@sautortheratkiller9172 yea like 1-3
I hope there's gonna be videos on the 2nd and 3rd Holy Grail Wars.
this channel fire
So I get why Zouken and Justeaze were able to live for so long but how did the original Tohsaka guy live for so long as well? Or he was only involved in the few years where they started the First Grail War ritual?
Zouken was body Hopper and justeaze was a artificial Homnoculi
Hope they make a anime of the creation of the holy grail wars at some point during the first holy grail war
This is so deep.
the og war
2:03 made me laugh out loud lol 😂
Are you planning to explain the Second and Third Grail Wars?
Can you do lore videos on Caenis, Consort Yu, Space Ishtar, Edmond, and Kiara.
Will u be doing more fate profile flies plz and if u do is there enough info to do
Miyamoto Musashi
Now this is the kind of Fate lore that gets me excited!
What if the mage that owned the third magic is actually king solomon? That would be cool
Who did you choose for free 4 star? Will you make video on that?
I just want to ask for the sources you used cause man I would love to read all of this stuff myself.
same
Type-Moon wiki
What servent class you wanted to fall in
Me - Archer because I throw Lego to people and they step on it and fainted due to the amount of pain they felt
beserker saber or lancer
Lego is clearly an assassin-class weapon. Idk what you're talking about.
Yoo I want a herc vid please
5:59 that's a cute arr
Mind if I ask what you searched to get that thumbnail photo, it’s pretty dope
Next story is holy grail war before holy grail war
Daaamn, did time do Zouken dirty. He went from "not bad" to "error 404KFBEOZLCNDNVOMITNOISES
But in which fate does that take place
Okay wait wait a dumb question. So does ma boy angra corrupt the root itself, or he only corrupts the way the mana from the root is used? Sorta like an inverter in a circuit.
Fate is sick as fuck
true
Where was it mentioned
how did matou go from russia to japan in 1500? Russia wasnt even big back then
~~nice~~
So the humunculi CAN live longer. The first Einsbern being essentially immortal. Pretty bogus that all of the descendants had such short lives then.
If you break it down this was essentially Father's plan in Brotherhood.
The Disciples: We can't do it. Therefore...
Justeaze!
Plz do a video of the greatest king and god Ozymandias
If that dude who created 3rd magic ever become a servant or grant servant would be really op.
I actually really wanna see third holy grail war
While I have no doubt the original master of the 3rd magic was raw as raw comes I feel like the eons of failure on the part of the disciples are more likely to point to there being factors necessary to achieve a magic that humans cant quite comprehend. If nearly 2000 years of relentless attempts fails to achieve a result then this likely means no amount of human talent or effort are enough to reproduce a magic. The mystery must reach out to the Magician as much as the Magician reaches for the Mystery, if that makes any sense.
Just a recommendation but could you possibly think about making a video on the different types of true magic? Also what is the third magic?
the materialization of soul. Basically, modern-day magecraft uses mana to do amazing things, but those things are still bounded by the laws of the universe or physics like the conservation of energy etc. However true magic defies those rules and can stand above the laws set up by the universe since they come from the source of everything. For example, third magic the materialization of soul not only grants immoritlaity but the ability to separate soul from the body, which is an impossible feat under the laws of physics. Another one would be the fifth magic, which is breaking the rule of causality, as in you no longer need a cause to have an effect. Basically tru magic users are beyond overpowered, they are literally gods that stand even above the universe itself.
@@lordneversmile8105 I'm really late but who are these god beings? Also, how did the first Tohsaka remain alive for so long? He didn't have Zoken's worms or Einzbern's homunculus body right? Also also, the disciples are still alive? If they have the power to create the Einzberns and are interested in third tier magic, why don't they act instead of just waiting for something to happen? Like, at the time of the fifth Holy grail war Zoken's an old fart, the only remaining Tohsaka is Rin (which is not at the level of Zoken or the founder of the Tohsakas, if I'm not wrong), and the only remaining Einzbern is Illya, a loli. Isn't it about time to do some shit?
😂 I may have sound critical but it's just cuz I love fate and I want to have the lore clear in my head
@@xDanilor I think the problem is for me at least i donw know what to read/play/watch in what order or where to get it. Its complicated as fk and you need to go through a lot to find it. Its a bit sad tbh that it isnt more clear experience because the lore is great. I believe you ask about first tohsaka but i think they were living as normal human lifespans, only matou &einzberns were semi-immortal.
@@xDanilor so when i say gods i just meant like able to bend the physical laws of the universe, which can only be accomplished through true magic. im not too sure where u getting the first tohaska, pretty sure he passed long ago. As for einzberns, the diciples couldnt replicate their master's true magic. The homunculus is the closest they could get to and even then they are not quite there. Im not sure what you mean by not acting, Illlya literally is their champion. I hope this helps
@@lordneversmile8105 ah I see! Thanks!
Is manga a nice source for understanding more beyond the fate zero/stay night animes by ufotable?
3:02 was a baddie..
Oh she a baddy alright *lenny face*
From my understanding only 1 person can use any true magic at any given time, so the one who achieved the third magic is dead.
They thought that it was going to be Justeaze
But it was actually not easy at All!
why is sherlock on the thumbnail though?
its zouken
3rd magic is cool and all but the 5th magic is where it's at
The emiya family had some potential, where were day during this?
Probably busy with Dead Apostle research.
too soon
I feel like they were just out and about being Heroes of Justice. whilst the 3 founding families bicker with each other and all that
Jesus is the holder of the 3rd magic. Lel
You should do a medea background video
Fate veterans smile at this video
in short its a "I fuck up sandwich"
We don’t know who made 3rd magic?
We don't some theorized it was Jesus, but again that is just a popular theory.
I don't think this might not make sense but,
what if it's Solomon?????
No, They're From Diffrent Timeline Of Holy Grail War. I Forget The Detail, And If My Memory Correct, It Was Explained In Fate Hollow Ataraxia, Including The 5 Holy Grail War.
CMIIW Please If Someone Read This.
I wonder why the person who made third magic didnt just reach the root themselves? Or teach it to their disciples.
The Germans the Russians and the Japanese all made an alliance and decided to party together. What could go wrong?
still confuse......
Isn't it clearly telegraphed that it was Jesus who first used Heaven's Feel?
It relates to resurrection as in the nature of his body after the fact, that is why is called heaven's feel, there's a parallel to how humans are supposed to exist in heaven but is not a direct confirmation of anything, the user of the third also went missing like in 1000 AD , that said Jesus birth is tied directly to the first magic and true magic in general have this shift happening at his birth as the breaking point between the age of gods and the human era, the stuff with Solomon also has ties to that, all in all everything is still vague but the dots to connect are there, seems god is directly involved in a lot of the setting
i thought that the 3rd true magic just always existed and wasn't produced. Explained to be similar to the workings of God.
Is it just me or do a lot of these not Japanese people very Japanese sounding names like I understand it was made in Japan but if you want foreigners in your series I can give them names that sound more like where they are from
Why didn't they just ask me?
If the einzbern should sacrifice herself to summon the grail...how can they win?
This is all makes sense now. Instructions unclear for a damn reason.
Wait ?
Heaven's feel manga ?
@@albertoluis1544 is it cannon ?
And where can i read it ?
Its even more of a straight adaptation from the vn. You will see Caster Garhhh moment beforr she die in lame way like in Presage flower
@@johnwu1907 yeah i know the movies skipped a lot of content because of time i was wanting to know how real hf happened but i. Was not prepared to go through the entire vn
@@donq8990 The manga is basically the VN in manga form that is how faithful it is, but the pace is slow like real slow
@@MrYoyoshi9 how many chapters ?
Early
Why "pause" do "pause" you "pause" talk "pause" so "pause" so "pause" slowly.
Good content, detail and pace wise ,
One point tho...
Those Japanese pronunciation, it should be flat, real flat, don't read it with English nature. Would be great if you could've done it.
On what? Makiri?
@@TsiahIV Yes, and everything else.
Getting it right might be troublesome, need a bit research and training. But in my workplace , it will be a difference, they tend to looking for me,
I can talk to my foreign client easier, they like it, more so if we understand their pop culture even for a bit, then job goes smooth and i take it as another upgrade for my self.
Don't know why i tell you this, I beg your pardon for my weird behaviour, I know good shit when i saw one, hope you might take this into consideration.
I'll tell you what if I won a holy grail war I would wish for the power, not immortality or anything of that sort I would literally ask for the infinite well of mana within the grail then use said mana to do all the crap I could ever want like IDK reach the root, use the third magic, and turn myself into an immortal juggernaut of destruction and ultimate wisdom.
Id say the original creator is jesus
That's the first magic. Which was discovered *surprisingly* at Jesus's birth.
Yeah jesus can literally create new life if he want to. It's like nega-genesis but minus the nega.
Was jesus the first true magic user
Yep
@@nottomiokagiyu9830 really
@@thirtydindy701 Probably? His miracles would be called Magecraft in-universe
In truth,Adam and Eve were made of Magecraft once.
while its not confirmed what the first magic is, there are hints that it is the creation from nothingness, as in creating out of nothing(thereby breaking the law of physics and universe as under the conservation of law u can't just creat something out of nothing). Also Akarsh, or root, can be interpreted as many things. It can be thought of as the source of big bang, or where God, the one above all, resides etc
Kirei is the holder of the Third Magic, Rejoice!
No but seriously....
So yall don't know shit about fate huh😅😅😅