WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO BUILD WHISPER? | Raid: Shadow Legends

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  • Crushing Rend vs Phantom Touch? Relentless vs Lethal? These are the decision you are faced with once you reach 6 Star awakened on Whisper. In this video, we take a deep dive on the topic looking at all combinations of sets, blessings and we include the area bonuses to determine what is the best way to build whisper.
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    WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO BUILD WHISPER? | Raid: Shadow Legends
    Timeline
    00:00 - Intro
    00:56 - Why Whisper?
    06:15 - My Whisper Build
    08:41 - The Math!
    15:20 - Analysing the Math
    20:33 - Crushing Rend vs Phantom Touch
    24:13 - Relentless vs Lethal
    32:37 - Do I change my Build?
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Komentáře • 89

  • @juanj.bey.j459
    @juanj.bey.j459 Před 8 měsíci +10

    I freaking fell in love with Whisper when I pulled her 6 star blessing! I use Cruelty blessing with Relentless. She hits so many times that I find it better to help the entire team do more damage and well as boosting her damage gained on her own moves. Great video. Always love to see you break things down

  • @elliottparker7288
    @elliottparker7288 Před 8 měsíci +8

    Anytime a spreadsheet is involved on this channel, I get excited. Mix in whisper content? I am watching all 34.43/minutes front to back!

  • @ttbone8054757
    @ttbone8054757 Před 8 měsíci +4

    You are an animal with this calculating. Love the vid. I’m definitely going to max my Whisper and pray for a six star blessing. Thank you.

  • @Mihawk07
    @Mihawk07 Před 8 měsíci

    Great job, Saph. I love this type of analysis.

  • @deezydeuce
    @deezydeuce Před 8 měsíci

    Once again, kudos for the math breakdown!

  • @gary8989898
    @gary8989898 Před 8 měsíci +8

    im going the 6star phantom touch relentless build, been using it for a while now in hard hydra and she smacks! she got replaced by a cadaver team for a few weeks but now thats gone its her time to shine again

  • @zaylinzy2270
    @zaylinzy2270 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I’ve been trying to figure out how to maximize her and Gnishak and studying the website alot, thisthis clears everything up, THANK YOU

  • @jasonmartinez4730
    @jasonmartinez4730 Před 8 měsíci

    Amazing job

  • @aledstovold3906
    @aledstovold3906 Před 8 měsíci +9

    So been looking into stuff and would be interested to know what about Abbess, her damage is based on the opponent's Attack or Defence x her multipliers. So Nightmare Hydra has for example 11892 which is way more attack than I've seen on even the best-built champs and she has no damage cap, now her built right in savage I'd imagine should hit harder than anyone because while most attack champs you can get their attack up to 6000 possibly 8000 she's using 12000 and without a cap on damage shouldn't that do more than a champ like Gnut?

    • @zherki1152
      @zherki1152 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Just gonna like and leave a rando comment here to try boost the comment lol.....Would love to see shit like this tested from an actual factual answer from someone like Saph.

    • @aledstovold3906
      @aledstovold3906 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@zherki1152 Same, it's why I made the comment :) and thanks

  • @jasonmullinder
    @jasonmullinder Před 8 měsíci +1

    Whisper was my first void shard when I started Raid around February, lost enthusiasm after I got a few legendaries besides Artak and Sun Wukong and now got choices on 6 star 60 champs.
    Initially it was the punk girl aesthetic, but I noticed quickly how useful she is. Paired with my starter Elhain I was impressed by the damage. Will go over this and see what changes I can make with the resources I have.

  • @gregp4819
    @gregp4819 Před 8 měsíci

    Grats on the 6*!

  • @octavioochoa1857
    @octavioochoa1857 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Literally was just looking for a build

  • @RobertOrtiz1015
    @RobertOrtiz1015 Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks for all that work !!!
    One thing to consider is the waves! So i run her and acrizia with allure in Fae hard and ofter she will outdamage Acrizia but it’s because of the waves! She will at times clear one full wave by herself in relentless… if i was to switch to Lethal, i would lose that potential.

  • @prosauce
    @prosauce Před 8 měsíci

    Great info. I pulled whisper recently and will definitely go relentless phantom touch (i haven't been able to farm hard DT fae yet so no good lethal)

  • @zyxwertdha4821
    @zyxwertdha4821 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Awesome spreadsheet as always Saph! Maybe I'm missing something, but where do you calculate the chance of an extra turn from Relentless? When you went through everything at 11:30 I don't see anything that looks like 18%. When I'm comparing Relentless, I normally use 21% as my number (because sometimes you proc it a couple of times).

  • @DimLed1980-vt2mm
    @DimLed1980-vt2mm Před měsícem +1

    After extensive testing with a 6* Whisper on Hydra Brutal with 20% ignore defence from the Great Hall, I can conclude that the best damage build is:
    Relentless + Phantom Touch + Warmaster
    This build delivers around 15% more damage than:
    Relentless + Crushing Rend + Helmsmasher
    Tested on 10 manual runs, till turn limit.
    My Whisper stats:
    7.4k attack | 325 crit damage | 230 speed

  • @liamskelly7825
    @liamskelly7825 Před 8 měsíci

    While I don't have a whisper, I wish that I did. And on top of that absolutely loved this deep dive!

  • @muchanic
    @muchanic Před 8 měsíci

    This is great timing. I am thinking of maxing Whisper as my next champ (well, either her or Wukong)
    But I don't know if I have good enough relentless gear

  • @bramtakkenkamp3410
    @bramtakkenkamp3410 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I'm just using relentles because I think its just more fun to play with, but for the turn attack I think the savage is better because you do more dmg/hit so you need less turns.

  • @F0rtysxity
    @F0rtysxity Před 8 měsíci +2

    Thank you for this great and informative video! I do want to be a friend and make a small correction. Time of fight will not increase the damage from relentless or give you more relentless procs on average per turn. The expected damage / turn is the same. The variance or range of damage/turn is much wider the shorter the fight is. But the expected damage is the same. If I didn't respect you I wouldn't say anything. Keep it up!
    Kept watching. You didn't give us the goods. Which one on average will do more damage/turn?

  • @thefirstKenpachi
    @thefirstKenpachi Před 8 měsíci

    Hello saph, I'm trying to find the video where you talked about att/cd ratios.

  • @mateuszsojczynski6128
    @mateuszsojczynski6128 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hi Saph! i just managed to get Quintus and i wanted to ask you if you had a chance to check if his passive works as intended? i saw Skratch clip where he said it does not work as intended. i would love to see your opinion on this topic. As always, thanks for great content and work Sir!

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  Před 8 měsíci

      It should work but i'll have to wait until I have him to playtest.

  • @skullogyse
    @skullogyse Před 8 měsíci

    Saf, please cover Togron the Conjoined. I’d like to see his passive with Frolni the Mechanist passive and see the calculations you come up with, with how much damage and HP Frolni could potentially have. Please please please! Also with a good HP aura and either command presence or intimidating presence

  • @logan5018
    @logan5018 Před 8 měsíci

    if you wanna go really hard on the math, you could evaluate the value of an expected turn by doing a sum of the damage of all future turns weighted by the probability of those future turns occuring. for the pure math approach you could set this up as an infinite sum (or at least a sum of infinite sums).

  • @mocafrost
    @mocafrost Před 8 měsíci

    Just got my whisper leveled. I wish I had blessings.

  • @tomverhulst434
    @tomverhulst434 Před 2 měsíci

    What blessing would you use on a 5 star blessings for hydra? On whisper. Kind regards. T

  • @sjaakbakker9944
    @sjaakbakker9944 Před 8 měsíci

    Church of whisper OP!

  • @Eurodancer89
    @Eurodancer89 Před 8 měsíci +1

    what about extra turns from relentless, I think it adds more dmg than lethal build

  • @swannkyh4834
    @swannkyh4834 Před 8 měsíci

    In my account, I have more pressure on availability for Lethal so definitely another factor

  • @VenomG69
    @VenomG69 Před 8 měsíci

    So a rule of thumb for PT is use it with champs that use Relentless??
    Maybe you could do a vid going over ROT(rules of thumb) for some blessings??
    I think it'd help so inexperienced players who don't understand Blessings
    Edit: I honestly enjoyed watching the vid, very detailed and in depth

  • @01Lindholm
    @01Lindholm Před 8 měsíci

    I appreciate that you pronounce the g. Not your fault that Plarium are dumb.

  • @nozmordu
    @nozmordu Před 2 měsíci

    No blessing but hopefully I can finally finish Knights Revenant Faction wars

  • @sungodnika_9
    @sungodnika_9 Před 8 měsíci

    Hi saph I got a suggestion I think wisper will pair really good with new sylvian watcher void champ Aeila she good a cool passive extra 10% for extra turn add it up with relentless and wispers passive that's around 38%. Can you please try them together and share your views. Much appreciated for your content have a good one.

  • @diZno8
    @diZno8 Před 8 měsíci

    Pulled Whisper today. Don't have any souls for her yet, but I got a 6 star Gnut soul. Crushing rend or brimstone for him?

  • @devonpetersen7301
    @devonpetersen7301 Před 7 měsíci

    If only I knew she was this amazing I wouldn't off fed her😂, such a pain pulling void epics. Oh well will wait and see

  • @zottelinho8957
    @zottelinho8957 Před 8 měsíci

    I dont know but it feels like something is missing in this comparison. Because at one point you said when you drop relentless you drop the chance for extra turns which isnt rue because she has a chance to get an extra turn which every crit she lands. Yes Relentless is an extra layer to procc extra turns, but how many more extra turns do i get with relentless over lethal, so i can calculate the damage in the long run even better.
    I cant imagine how complicated this could be because of the guaranteed extra turn and than calculate the crit layer and then relentless on top but it is important.

  • @shadoblayde
    @shadoblayde Před 2 měsíci

    So is merciless now favoured over relentless? using helmsmasher and rend? Also I assume you ALWAYS lead with A2 as you only have 74% C rate in this build. Also almost no ACC so you are not expecting her to land weaken with her A1? so you need to bring another champ to apply weaken if you want her kit to work?

  • @kamal_nwn2
    @kamal_nwn2 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I want to see Akemtum versus Whisper. Whisper still consistently loses to Akemtum in damage in hydra in my testing, much less the other stuff Akemtum does.

    • @Ragnell123
      @Ragnell123 Před 7 měsíci

      That’s probably just hex if I had to guess. If akemtum is placing hex, all the dmg done from hex will be counted as his dmg

  • @battleagainstentropy
    @battleagainstentropy Před 8 měsíci

    What about hero’s soul, at least in hydra?

  • @MegaMrASD
    @MegaMrASD Před 5 měsíci

    Just took my Whisper to 60 during the Tormin soul champ training, no soul for her yet sadly.
    However, how is the Pope of the Chruch of Whisper on the HH team, but the optimizer doesn't account for her ignoring all defense when i set the boss as having the weaken debuff up? Smadge

  • @realxandao
    @realxandao Před 8 měsíci

    I wanted to ask you, just out of curiosity, how good would be whisper + that mythic orc, would love to see you playtesting those follow ups, same with ronda

  • @jacobcollins2861
    @jacobcollins2861 Před 3 měsíci

    Well what about 70% cr versus 100% cr for a1, a3? Seems if going crushing + minus def, need 100% CR because she will quickly lose boost with all extra attacks.

  • @name-et1iv
    @name-et1iv Před 8 měsíci

    Finally, some math)

  • @shanewarren3823
    @shanewarren3823 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I cant believe you didnt show a run lol was dying to see the damage lol

  • @briancooper2948
    @briancooper2948 Před 8 měsíci

    Whisper is only as good as the gear you have so farming Fire Knight became more important .... like the Excel Spreadsheets -so need to do like the clan boss calculator do a damage dealer calculator with multiple bosses to select from this will require a data base referenced to those spreadsheets. I pair her with Riho

  • @tyweisenburger8480
    @tyweisenburger8480 Před 8 měsíci

    Another video to make me feel bad about using Whisper as food.

  • @deoxiepremius8808
    @deoxiepremius8808 Před 8 měsíci

    Doesn't phantom touch have an one turn cooldown? If so, then you calculated one phantom touch activation to much. Unless you would get lucky and the 35% chance activates twice. ( around12:30)

    • @georgejonesson6338
      @georgejonesson6338 Před 8 měsíci

      The one turn cooldown functions like the a1 of a champion. Can happen every turn. However, unlike the a1, of you proc it during that turn using an ability, it cannot activate on counter attacks or ally attacks. So 4(given a lucky extra proc from the 35% chance) is the right number

    • @deoxiepremius8808
      @deoxiepremius8808 Před 8 měsíci

      Ah thats how it works, thx

  • @Magnadra1989
    @Magnadra1989 Před 8 měsíci +1

    All hail the church of Whisper 😂
    Still only at 5 Star

  • @doriansorzano
    @doriansorzano Před 8 měsíci +1

    It's all fun and games until you witness whisper solo a head. Oh and ally attack can trigger whisper's extra attacks. Counter attack does not.

  • @alexandrtcacenco8129
    @alexandrtcacenco8129 Před 8 měsíci

    I finally so 6* Whisper blessing and got it without hesitating. Googled best 6* blessing for Whisper and bam - 1 day ago was made this video :D

  • @wreckitnick5464
    @wreckitnick5464 Před 8 měsíci

    I wonder what will Saph do if Plarium decides to put DMG CAP on whisper, just like Cadaver?

  • @RandomNY1234
    @RandomNY1234 Před 8 měsíci

    Soooo when will Plarium decide to nerf Whisper? And no I'm not advocating them to do it.

  • @Nexard237
    @Nexard237 Před 8 měsíci

    hydra with hex you want rend

  • @ravidart-90
    @ravidart-90 Před 8 měsíci

    I would be the 1st one to get stoned to death in the church of whisper,for the sin of feeding her in my early game, had very little idea of the game. Never got her again.😂

  • @washy934
    @washy934 Před 8 měsíci

    Description box is a bit wonky.... "These are the decision you are faced with once you reach 6 Star awakened on Seer." I'm sure this is a video about Whisper

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  Před 8 měsíci

      Oops :D haha

    • @washy934
      @washy934 Před 8 měsíci

      @@HHGamingNetwork good deep dive though - I think the takeaway (for me) is to stay relentless - she's a hydra DPS for me and I don't get too badly stat handicapped for that choice unless I fancy stripping gear off my arena nukers.

  • @tlanimasstool
    @tlanimasstool Před 2 měsíci

    you are showing her with warmaster when in her masteries and with flawless execution on her masteries tab, weird editing there

  • @Angel-lg3xe
    @Angel-lg3xe Před 8 měsíci

    I feel like I just got out of a raid pro board meeting

  • @dogefishron2212
    @dogefishron2212 Před 8 měsíci +23

    It’s ‘nute’ not ‘geh-nute’ we don’t say ‘geh-nome’. Sorry, just irks me when you say a champs name so much. No hate.

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  Před 8 měsíci +14

      Welsh people speak what they see - is a language thing!

    • @rowdybishop5755
      @rowdybishop5755 Před 8 měsíci

      Close your ears then weirdo.

    • @Dakota2146
      @Dakota2146 Před 8 měsíci +1

      *Newt* better reference. Lol

    • @coffeeshangarworkshop8051
      @coffeeshangarworkshop8051 Před 8 měsíci +2

      I pulled Gnut and Candraphon during the last double Legendary event...(With 1 Sacred shard no less)...so I reserve the right to call them Nut and Candy. :D
      Go ahead and hate...lol.

    • @davidconnolly6690
      @davidconnolly6690 Před 8 měsíci

      Its Gnu not Noo )
      ;

  • @blackdream1900
    @blackdream1900 Před 8 měsíci +1

    sooo...whisper nerf inc in 3 , 2 ,1 ... ! pufff ! nother one bites the dust , there goes a nother f2p champ tahts too good for us mortals ,with thin wallets ! long live p2w !