Thematically it's perfect. When we think of the opportunity cost that's where I get concerned. A Champions pack would have been the way to fully flesh out greenskins. As long as we get another Spider/Forest Goblin DLC then we should be all set though.
@@paytonkraft7564 oh buddy, I gotchu... czcams.com/video/KL3Bv2oUVcI/video.html TLDR though; -A Lord and Hero Variant (New Magic Lore of Spiders and Ranged characters) -A few forest goblin infantry variants (think savage culture for orc but its goblins, also poison) -Gigantic Spider Riders (Monstrous Cavalry that can possibly climb walls) -Web Flingers (Rock lobber variant that can be mounted on Ararchnaroks) edit: Could also include -Snotlings -Goblin Spear Chukka
I think if anything, Gorbad would introduce *Feral* Wyverns (rather than mounted ones) as he famously unleashed seven of those during the siege of Altdorf.
@DerOrk ...I suggested the very same in the Gorbad chapter of my greenskins series... czcams.com/video/m52dqP19eEI/video.html On further thought I think Feral Wyverns, along with Giant Wolves and Spiders, should probably just be made available for all greenskins. In the vein of making an elite big-un sub-race like Eltharion's Mistwalkers, it made more sense to go for orc wyvern riders. They were part of the man' o war supplement and serve as an equivalent to KoTG.
This is the first speculation video I've listened to where I am hype for all the ideas. Everyone else seems to be scrapping the barrel but you actually gathered together an impressive list including the Bloodcursed some ancient lore but a very thematic unit for Khorne. Also love how you did a start position speculation also.
Thanks, it just comes down to having to work twice as hard as those guys to do half as well, that mindset at least(lol). Not to Knock anyone else, because I would have never made this channel without them. Love those MF's. & Start Positions were the foundation of this channel. Nobody else was really talking about them before Immortal Empires, so that was my first series.
We don't need to dip into AOS units, there are already plenty of missing units & variants for the greenskins to pick from. I used the orruks and gore grunta models in the big' un part of the video only as a reference to what that elite sub-race could look like. A champion's style pack would have helped us get the missing unit/ lord/ hero variants and Legendary Lords but perhaps we would miss out on some Legendary Heroes and new unique units. So, I suppose let's just hope this will be the better route to fleshing out the greenskins in the end.
if they want 100th lord to be something special they won't release FLC LL with this DLC since now there are 96 LLs in the game so FLC would be 100th and that wouldn't be special. I could see 100th released at 6.1 or some thing like that maybe followed by FLC that should be with this DLC, or some that are missing but i don't see another DLC for that race (Bugman, Engrim...)
I would definitely argue that Maneater would make a very special 100th LL if he comes with one variant of maneaters per race. Also, that Dwarfs & Tzeentch definitely have enough missing to fill another DLC if CA/GW wanted. Albeit perhaps smaller than their last dlcs. That being said Bugman and Egrimm are two of my most favorite warhammer characters and I would love to see them. Also, will never say no to more lords free or otherwise.
Without meaning anything, but Gorbad did what the Beast tried to be, Gorbad actually caused permanent damage in the empire and killed an Emperor Like that would be if the orcs completely destroyed Segmentum pacificus and killed a primarch, that would actually be a better story than TWotB.
Not well-versed in 40k Lore, had to look this one up. The Beast was 6 Prime-Orks? What a sick concept! and they used Attack moons that sound like ORK Death Stars?! 40k is nutz lol. but yeah, Gorbad was just one Uber Strategic Orc who basically had the first version of a powerclaw, Beast take notes.
it seens that our boy arbaal was send to the flc character and uzhul is now the dlc character, funnely enough is that the mechanic you seek for arbaal is the same that uzhul will get XD hmm for now we just got the slaughterbrute confirmed for khorne, uzhul as the leader. So youre propositions for units are still possible(i will love to see valkiries of khorne as a shock monster aerial cavalry, that unit will make me sooo happy, but i dont know if CA will get the permission to get that unit :c)
Yeah, I mean trophy cabinet makes sense for U'zhul but again so does... -Ancient Skull Forge -Opening Khorne Portals -Teleport to factions with Strength Rank 1 to challenge them ... These would all be good for u'zhul as well & now I'm not as sure what unique mechanic we could give Arbaal. Maybe he gets the Skull forge instead?
@@redbeard7310 hmm I guess arbaal will be some kind of killing spree character like taurox, gaining stacks and stacks until you lose. For uzhul something I heard is that mechanic might have teleporting to different areas looking for worthy opponents and stack his skull to gain permanent buffs (an oxyotl campaing on steroids XD)
very nice Video with in depth explanation on what is missing and awesome Ideas on how to make the campaigns unique! CA should employ you or better give u 100 k and just copy-paste your ideas
In a perfact world this dlc would be awesome having a the big smashy melee races going at it bit greenskins I'm now concerned about cuz going to get the treatment they need givin the nature of what is missing, I think kislev would have been a better choice Love the ideas for ogres especially a maneater lord , I think Jared the red would be a great choice for a ice age monster dlc but I see why he's last on the priority list, I do like the idea of maneater leadbelcher that have stolen dwarven flame cannons, that would be cool, having chaos seige giant is a great choice tho and would help complete the choas dwarf dlc Pretty much on board with suggestions for khorne all the way
I think GW is putting Kislev on Ice for a while... due to BS politics & what not. As long as Greenskins are getting another DLC at some point I think we could still get most of what is still missing/ needed. I'd be wary of anyone saying that any race is "done". That being said, I think this could be the last ogre DLC minus an FLC lord or two at some point. Jhared the Red would fit the missing Ice units nicely but if we were to see him, he might be a Legendary Hero, IDK. Would love Dwarf Maneaters to have flame cannons and Chorf Maneaters to have Magma Cannons, ESSENTIALLY leadbelcher variants. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
@marvinvasquez9437 Not sure what you're saying exactly about the lords. Think you're saying each race will get 5 units because I included more than that. I added extra because I wanted to.
@@parttimehero8640 Indeed I think Maneater is the only one in this video who could truly fit that well if he came with one variant of maneater per race. Beyond that I made a whole vid for some other possibles... czcams.com/video/bFljmVjFUps/video.html
That whole segment was about Big' Uns as a mechanic for Gorbad exclusively that would function as mistwalker style elite sub-race. That and Battle-Harmony between orcs and goblins should be his unique mechanics. Feel like you might be saying this because I used the AOS orruks and gore-grunta models though? I was only using them in reference to what they could look like. I am not suggesting that Greenskins need AOS units.
We have to keep in mind that a free DLC lord would be the 100th LL so I don't think that it's likely and think we'll see a fourth legendary hero instead And by the love of Manann pls no more gnoblars
Right, I did reference the 100 thing every time I talked about FLC. If they did go for a fourth Legendary Hero, I think it should probably be for Greenskins. I would be very surprised if we didn't get more gnoblars in this pack.
@@Grimmnight16 Because they've added end times units into the game, and it just makes sense as a way to END the series. Speculation isn't hurting the community. Leaks, expectations and lack of communication with CA sure can though.
Arbaal should be "it".....And they aught to give him a trophy cabinet to keep the skulls of LLs he takes off the board LOL! Also, marked Shaggoth Lords and heroes were a thing briefly in I think 6th edition? Or it could be a split, with the Khorne Lord being a Shaggoth or Doombull, and the hero being the other. I think the latter is what I would prefer. We already have cultists, which are WAY to similar to priests. OR they could dip into Warhammer RPG, and do Khorne Battle Maidens.
A trophy cabinet that removes the ability for Legendary Characters to respawn would be an awesome mechanic on paper but maybe only for the player implemented? I could see that being frustrating otherwise if the AI could use that. Additionally, I would have it where when you have that skull in the cabinet, ALL of your lords get that defeat trait. Otherwise, the mechanic would feel weaker than if you had left the lord on the board and farmed them for the trait. I think a priest should be more of pseudo caster than the straight support role that cultist fills, probably just for the lord though. Marked shaggoth or gorebull as hero is probabably best.
I know the greenskins were unexpected, but it's damn near perfect. Fitting in with the general theme of brutality and carnage.
Thematically it's perfect. When we think of the opportunity cost that's where I get concerned. A Champions pack would have been the way to fully flesh out greenskins. As long as we get another Spider/Forest Goblin DLC then we should be all set though.
@@redbeard7310 legitimately though, what DO the forest goblins have that hasn't been covered yet? I'm asking out genuine curiosity.
@@paytonkraft7564 oh buddy, I gotchu...
czcams.com/video/KL3Bv2oUVcI/video.html
TLDR though;
-A Lord and Hero Variant (New Magic Lore of Spiders and Ranged characters)
-A few forest goblin infantry variants (think savage culture for orc but its goblins, also poison)
-Gigantic Spider Riders (Monstrous Cavalry that can possibly climb walls)
-Web Flingers (Rock lobber variant that can be mounted on Ararchnaroks)
edit: Could also include
-Snotlings
-Goblin Spear Chukka
@@redbeard7310 damn. They got a whole 'nother roster to work with. And all we see atm is standard arachnaroks and spider riders.
I think if anything, Gorbad would introduce *Feral* Wyverns (rather than mounted ones) as he famously unleashed seven of those during the siege of Altdorf.
Quite true, id like Wyverns to be a recruitable unit.
@DerOrk ...I suggested the very same in the Gorbad chapter of my greenskins series...
czcams.com/video/m52dqP19eEI/video.html
On further thought I think Feral Wyverns, along with Giant Wolves and Spiders, should probably just be made available for all greenskins. In the vein of making an elite big-un sub-race like Eltharion's Mistwalkers, it made more sense to go for orc wyvern riders. They were part of the man' o war supplement and serve as an equivalent to KoTG.
@@PNarbz123 bare minimum.
This is the first speculation video I've listened to where I am hype for all the ideas. Everyone else seems to be scrapping the barrel but you actually gathered together an impressive list including the Bloodcursed some ancient lore but a very thematic unit for Khorne. Also love how you did a start position speculation also.
Thanks, it just comes down to having to work twice as hard as those guys to do half as well, that mindset at least(lol). Not to Knock anyone else, because I would have never made this channel without them. Love those MF's.
& Start Positions were the foundation of this channel. Nobody else was really talking about them before Immortal Empires, so that was my first series.
Skulltaker with a teleport mechanic would be the equivalent of wrestler crashing a match, by bashing one of the contestants from behind with a chair
As soon as a faction rises to No.1 power, boom Skulltaker’s army appears out of nowhere to challenge.
@ShadowPhoenixMaximus ...*Portal opens* KHORNE B*TCH!
@Deerygccawwetthjbgde ...YO, GREAT IDEA. That's going in a skulltaker vid for sure.
I hope we get some good units and lords for khorn. 😉
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
You saw my post!, and I am with you Greenskins feel odd to me unless they went for a CoC or using AoS they could do 4 DLC if they use certain units
We don't need to dip into AOS units, there are already plenty of missing units & variants for the greenskins to pick from. I used the orruks and gore grunta models in the big' un part of the video only as a reference to what that elite sub-race could look like.
A champion's style pack would have helped us get the missing unit/ lord/ hero variants and Legendary Lords but perhaps we would miss out on some Legendary Heroes and new unique units. So, I suppose let's just hope this will be the better route to fleshing out the greenskins in the end.
Great video as always!
Thanks!
Love the content!!
Thank!
if they want 100th lord to be something special they won't release FLC LL with this DLC since now there are 96 LLs in the game so FLC would be 100th and that wouldn't be special. I could see 100th released at 6.1 or some thing like that maybe followed by FLC that should be with this DLC, or some that are missing but i don't see another DLC for that race (Bugman, Engrim...)
I would definitely argue that Maneater would make a very special 100th LL if he comes with one variant of maneaters per race. Also, that Dwarfs & Tzeentch definitely have enough missing to fill another DLC if CA/GW wanted. Albeit perhaps smaller than their last dlcs.
That being said Bugman and Egrimm are two of my most favorite warhammer characters and I would love to see them. Also, will never say no to more lords free or otherwise.
I actually hope for the Hobgoblin Khanate subfaction of the Greenskins!
Without meaning anything, but Gorbad did what the Beast tried to be, Gorbad actually caused permanent damage in the empire and killed an Emperor
Like that would be if the orcs completely destroyed Segmentum pacificus and killed a primarch, that would actually be a better story than TWotB.
Not well-versed in 40k Lore, had to look this one up. The Beast was 6 Prime-Orks? What a sick concept! and they used Attack moons that sound like ORK Death Stars?! 40k is nutz lol.
but yeah, Gorbad was just one Uber Strategic Orc who basically had the first version of a powerclaw, Beast take notes.
it seens that our boy arbaal was send to the flc character and uzhul is now the dlc character, funnely enough is that the mechanic you seek for arbaal is the same that uzhul will get XD
hmm for now we just got the slaughterbrute confirmed for khorne, uzhul as the leader. So youre propositions for units are still possible(i will love to see valkiries of khorne as a shock monster aerial cavalry, that unit will make me sooo happy, but i dont know if CA will get the permission to get that unit :c)
Yeah, I mean trophy cabinet makes sense for U'zhul but again so does...
-Ancient Skull Forge
-Opening Khorne Portals
-Teleport to factions with Strength Rank 1 to challenge them
... These would all be good for u'zhul as well & now I'm not as sure what unique mechanic we could give Arbaal. Maybe he gets the Skull forge instead?
@@redbeard7310 hmm I guess arbaal will be some kind of killing spree character like taurox, gaining stacks and stacks until you lose.
For uzhul something I heard is that mechanic might have teleporting to different areas looking for worthy opponents and stack his skull to gain permanent buffs (an oxyotl campaing on steroids XD)
@@felipealvarado8801 that makes a lot of sense. Will be looking to make a vid on this possibly.
very nice Video with in depth explanation on what is missing and awesome Ideas on how to make the campaigns unique! CA should employ you or better give u 100 k and just copy-paste your ideas
truer words have never been spoken!
In a perfact world this dlc would be awesome having a the big smashy melee races going at it bit greenskins I'm now concerned about cuz going to get the treatment they need givin the nature of what is missing, I think kislev would have been a better choice
Love the ideas for ogres especially a maneater lord
, I think Jared the red would be a great choice for a ice age monster dlc but I see why he's last on the priority list, I do like the idea of maneater leadbelcher that have stolen dwarven flame cannons, that would be cool, having chaos seige giant is a great choice tho and would help complete the choas dwarf dlc
Pretty much on board with suggestions for khorne all the way
I think GW is putting Kislev on Ice for a while... due to BS politics & what not. As long as Greenskins are getting another DLC at some point I think we could still get most of what is still missing/ needed.
I'd be wary of anyone saying that any race is "done". That being said, I think this could be the last ogre DLC minus an FLC lord or two at some point. Jhared the Red would fit the missing Ice units nicely but if we were to see him, he might be a Legendary Hero, IDK. Would love Dwarf Maneaters to have flame cannons and Chorf Maneaters to have Magma Cannons, ESSENTIALLY leadbelcher variants.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
You know Khorne would have another legendary lord FLC and they only do 5 units for each army race?
wouldn't a free DLC Lord be the 100th LL in the game? Didn't CA say the 100th would be something special
@marvinvasquez9437 Not sure what you're saying exactly about the lords. Think you're saying each race will get 5 units because I included more than that. I added extra because I wanted to.
@@parttimehero8640 Indeed I think Maneater is the only one in this video who could truly fit that well if he came with one variant of maneater per race. Beyond that I made a whole vid for some other possibles...
czcams.com/video/bFljmVjFUps/video.html
I really hope we see the blood beast!
Same & all the other Greater Chaos Spawns too. My favorite being the firewyrm of tzeentch.
@@redbeard7310 very true! What a missed opportunity not including the firewyrm in shadows of Change to contest the crowmen of Cathay
Will CA and GW listen to the community again?
I think announcing Khorne Quartet DLC means they are, but tomorrow's roadmap should help clarify more. Just need weekly communication honestly.
they probably won't be adding big un champions and mostrous boar boys,at least I personally don't see that happening
That whole segment was about Big' Uns as a mechanic for Gorbad exclusively that would function as mistwalker style elite sub-race. That and Battle-Harmony between orcs and goblins should be his unique mechanics.
Feel like you might be saying this because I used the AOS orruks and gore-grunta models though? I was only using them in reference to what they could look like. I am not suggesting that Greenskins need AOS units.
Buffing boar boys sounds fun 🐗
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We have to keep in mind that a free DLC lord would be the 100th LL so I don't think that it's likely and think we'll see a fourth legendary hero instead
And by the love of Manann pls no more gnoblars
Right, I did reference the 100 thing every time I talked about FLC. If they did go for a fourth Legendary Hero, I think it should probably be for Greenskins.
I would be very surprised if we didn't get more gnoblars in this pack.
Had CA confirmed an end times dlc?
No
No.
@@khorneschosen7561 then why do
CZcamsrs keep bringing it up? Getting tired of them making expectations and then the community spirals downward.
@@Grimmnight16 Because it's almost certainly going to happen, just like Nagash. Nobody gives a f how you feel.
@@Grimmnight16 Because they've added end times units into the game, and it just makes sense as a way to END the series. Speculation isn't hurting the community. Leaks, expectations and lack of communication with CA sure can though.
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Arbaal should be "it".....And they aught to give him a trophy cabinet to keep the skulls of LLs he takes off the board LOL! Also, marked Shaggoth Lords and heroes were a thing briefly in I think 6th edition? Or it could be a split, with the Khorne Lord being a Shaggoth or Doombull, and the hero being the other. I think the latter is what I would prefer. We already have cultists, which are WAY to similar to priests. OR they could dip into Warhammer RPG, and do Khorne Battle Maidens.
A trophy cabinet that removes the ability for Legendary Characters to respawn would be an awesome mechanic on paper but maybe only for the player implemented? I could see that being frustrating otherwise if the AI could use that. Additionally, I would have it where when you have that skull in the cabinet, ALL of your lords get that defeat trait. Otherwise, the mechanic would feel weaker than if you had left the lord on the board and farmed them for the trait.
I think a priest should be more of pseudo caster than the straight support role that cultist fills, probably just for the lord though. Marked shaggoth or gorebull as hero is probabably best.
Imo paid LLs Gorbad, Golgfag, Arbaal. LHs not sure about Greenskins, but Bragg, Skulltaker. I would love Gorfang to be the free LL.
I would be happy with that.
I'd like to see Gorfang Rotgut and Skarr Bloodwrath as legendary lords.
I think they will save Skarr Bloodwrath and Wrathmongers for an End Times DLC. I would like to see both as LL's as well.