Are we witnessing the death of democracy in Hong Kong? | The World with Yalda Hakim
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- Are we witnessing the death of democracy in Hong Kong?
For some, the recent conviction of 14 activists using new national security laws represented the final nail in the coffin.
Among them, two British judges who just quit their roles from Hong Kong's top appeals court.
One of them is the former Supreme Court Judge, Lord Sumption.
He's suggested that China's increasing influence has profoundly compromised the rule of law.
It's something Beijing rejects. They’ve accused Britain of weaponising its judicial influence over China.
But speaking to Yalda Hakim on The World, Lord Sumption denied playing politics.
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One country two system is a joke
It's a fuc*ing joke!!!😂
Both of u too
Indeed, Great Britain is about to split Pakistan British and India British. It's a funny one country, two systems. Everyone is watching the "empire on which the sun never sets" joke
The irony, the One Country, Two Systems was a nice opportunity for the RESOURCE-POOR BRITISH RULE Hong Kong to not sign the UN Convention, with established laws against colonialism and resource-exploitation. Meanwhile the RESOURCE-POOR Hong Kong was built by British Rule as a free market capitalist model with an exceptional smuggling port providing the world blood diamonds and conflict minerals, powering the DULL CURRENCY HK dollar tied to the RESOURCE-POOR British sterling then tied to the RESOURCE-POOR United States dollar since 1983 on the continued resource-exploitation which sacrificed African and Indian nations. REPARATIONS IS SOMETHING WHICH AFRICAN AND INDIAN REFUGEES IN HONG KONG NEED TO TALK ABOUT!
@@RosslynR don't forget rushkie exploits china too even till now
Laughable this question is still asked today. Democracy (and freedom) is long gone as a result of the passing of the national security law four years ago and the move to abolish free and fair election in Hong Kong.
@@ToiChutGongWuthe governments in western countries are elected by people, can people in China elect their government?
No problem of keeping the question addressed as people do easily forget the evil of the authoritarian Chinese Communist regime who keeps threatening our globe economically and morally!
Hey Dufus, HK never had Democracy under British rule.
@@robocop581 in 1946, UK attempted to give HK higher degree of democracy and introduced "Young Plan" , but Chinese Communist party didn't allow and threat UK that they would invade HK if any constitutional reform was introduced.
We didn't have election in our Legislative Council until 1980s, but the British colonial officers had introduced elections to Urban Council and Regional Council in 1960s, we could vote to elect the respectives in the councils
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As if americano election is free and fair
Remember, it is UK who handed Hong Kong to China like a bag of potatoes in 1997. Margeret Thatcher kowtowed to Peking.
Yes.
A journalist challenged Margaret Thatcher, stating that her agreement with China ceded control of the Hong Kong people to a communist dictatorship regime. The journalist questioned the morality of the decision and whether national interest superseded ethical concerns. Thatcher responded by asserting that the agreement benefited Hong Kong and dismissed the journalist's concerns as possibly isolated incidents. Bear in mind that the CCP had never ruled Hong Kong, and there was no referendum or any other measure to showcase the willingness of the general public in Hong Kong. What is actually obscene.
CCP threatened British government if they won't handover Hong Kong, they will send the army to take over by force. During negotiation, British proposed to remain governing power in Hong Kong, but CCP refused, despite 80% of Hongkonger want to remain in Great Britain. That's why CCP created one country two systems to deceive the world. At least I succeeded for some time, not for long.
@@pchaneyoYou are wrong. Hong Kong people did not ask for democracy since they are contended with British rule. British admistration contributed to the success of HK.
As if there was any democracy when the British were in charge of Hong Kong!
We are witnessing it in the west...
Nothing left in HK when HK Govt today could cancel passports of Hongkongers with so-called law
They're fugitives and they're supposed to hand themselves in to the authorities instead of holidaying around the globe
Wanting democracy on Chinese soil is like wanting WiFi on Mars
During 100 years, British never gave democracy to Hong Kong people, but Beijing did after 1997. It was an experimental move, that if succeeded could have been extended to mainland China. But British and Americans interfered by funding anti-China political parties in Hong-Kong and up to now, the experience seems to be rather unsuccessful from Beijing point of view with the 2019 riots.
WE don't have democracy in US either. So there is the share value.
Thanks Lord Sumption. to speak the truth
It is HK.not British
Republic of Ireland should take full control of Northern Ireland.
Y e s 🇮🇪
China broke verbal committments given concerning the treatment of the population in Hong Kong who in 100 years and 3 to 5 generations had become more british in their language, thinking, attitudes etc. The UK in 1997 could not force China to agree to anything new, as the 100 year old agreement stipulated the simple condition that it as to be leased then returned, without references to the people's welfare. The UK did not want mass immigration from the colony and so got assurances that the people would be allowed to go on as usual and be assimiliated wih China after 2047. But China started interfering quickly after handover, and people became agitated and protested then progressed to rioting. This suited China which moved in in force and showed it's strength with a brutal crankdown, arrests and long jail terms for renowned leaders. So now China has forced the Hong Kong administration to cancel the passports of named dissidents who escaped to the UK. So yes Democracy is much reduced, almost non existent.
The western powers broke the deal when they decided to support the violent rioters
@@anpleidhceeireannach9498majority of Hongkong people still prefer British rule evan after 27 years of handover to China, we should have a referendum to end the riots
@@yipzoe3865 No need for a referendum. The national security law was effective in ending the riots.
@@anpleidhceeireannach9498 the land of Hong Kong should belong to Hong Kong people, we should have the right to determine our fate, Hongkong was returned to China against majority of our will, so we should have a referendum.
@@yipzoe3865 Cry more LOL
Well said Lord Sumption !
said by a person from a country where there is still monarch.
Don't worry, it is still roaring in Israel!
Only a muppet ever thought the Chinese would allow democracy in HK.
The muppet is the UK system free Julina Assange before typing your next comment
@@silafaupaulmeredith7251 Assange is a grifter and a coward. Just another putinrentboy.
@@silafaupaulmeredith7251 He is an alleged criminal
As a Chinese who was born in the 60s and raised in Hong Kong, studied for my 1st and master degrees in UK, returned to Hong Kong before 97.
I can say we had more democracy now than under British reign.
And most important:
The British gave HK much less democracy than what was in UK.
The Chinese give HK much more democracy than what is in mainland.
@@edleung4046 As a Chinese born in the 50s in HK, I don't agree with your BS
This guy loves to hear himself speak. A sense of self-importance and genius on every issue around the world. He never discusses the origins of these problems for example how HK came to be after the opium wars by Britain. Self righteous indeed. Same chaps who speak about Israel-Palestine but never address their involvement in the creation of this nightmare scenario.
I couldn't agree more.
Pity those in UK...
In Britain...?
Northern Ireland to return to the Irish
💯 support
I appreciate your honest statement. China always reject what others said that is what they want to hear.
What dying, its already six foot under ground...
Hong Kong never had one.
I think we should worry about 🇬🇧 first.
During the colonial period, UK had promised Hongkong people that she would not allow China to mistreat Hong Kong people after the handover, UK always has the worst relationship with China amongst the European countries because of Hong Kong issues
@@yipzoe3865 The colonial hangover........
@@varadharajannadarajah majority of Hongkong people still prefer British rule evan after 27 years of handover to China, UK should take back Hongkong as oversea territory
Yeah we should probably start by arresting all those spies sent by CCP into UK first
Did the Brits shut their door to the Indian people before and after 1947?
It was all caused by PM Thatcher😢
Definitely not dying. Couldn't call that dying.
call it dead?
Applying present continuous tense instead of present perfect tense is a nice touch.
We are witnessing the death of colonial mentalities in Hong Kong.
Let's not forget that China is the model state for the New World Order trumpeted from Davos.
China fight corruption and US SCOTUS just legalized corruption. That is democracy.
It wasn't just dealing with " riots" in HK --- it was the suppressing peaceful mass protests.
The demonstrator attack ordinary Hong Kong citizen
will they all be heading to the UK it's not our problem.
No sh#t Sherlock. Who'd have thunk it? 🐥
Democracy is dead in the west that's for sure😂
thanks lord sumption
Why exactly do we think in the light of U.S.,UK and Eu leadership and politics that western-style facade democracy is a good thing for others? It certainly isn't!
During colonial period, millions of refugees from Mainland China fled to HK to escape the Chinese Communist party, it proves that China government treated their own people evan worse than British coloniser
Hong Kong don’t even have the minimum requirement for western style democracy. A power that can be shared.
@@bettercalIsaul in 1946, UK attempted to give HK higher degree of democracy and introduced "Young Plan" , but Chinese Communist party didn't allow and threat UK that they would invade HK if any constitutional reform was introduced
@@bettercalIsaul HK has the same electoral college as US. So..
... duh.
Hong kong cannot survive without an Anglo form of governance
Of course. Hongkong was found under British common laws. Not continental, not socialist.
Democracy is fine is HK It is the death of foreign Interferences which is welcomed by all HK citizens. UK US all have similar act to HK that requires NGO to declare their funding sources if it is more than 80% why was RT banned in US. Most of the NGO in HK were funded directly ort indirectly by NED a CIA front.
HK has a far better judiciary system than the UK just ask Juliann Assange.
The land of Hongkong is belong to Hong Kong people, we should have the right to determine our fate, a referendum can end all the riots.
Majority of Hongkong people still prefer British rule evan after 27 years of handover to China, Hong Kong should be returned to UK as oversea territory
@@yipzoe3865
Yes, as a Hong Kong Chinese, we miss the British rule
Just because these highly paid foreign judges are no longer on the bench will mean less foreign interference in HK.
Funny. British didn't give Hong Kong any democracy over its 150 years of ruling in HK up till 1997 and suddenly they want to protest for HK of losing democracy?
They wanted to but opposed by CCP in 50s
Life support 😂
I am more concerned about the death of democracy in the UK, Australia and elsewhere in the west. HK never had democracy until the Brits tried to ram through some last minute change in the last few years before the handover, so they could tell the world the left democratic HK after 150yrs of absolute governorship. Go home
😂😂 democrazy😂😂😂 lol
Save judge
For uk
Foreign forces should stay out of the internal affairs of others...
and accept the fact that the so-called western colonisation & propaganda will end in suffering for the nation...
The only democracy western nations accept are those that vote in people who can be their puppets. Other than that they either demonize them or invade them like they have been doing to various countries these last few decades.
During colonial period, millions of refugees from Mainland China fled to HK to escape the Chinese Communist party, it proves that China government treated their own people evan worse than British coloniser
China’s the one who said HK was never colonized. Pick a side and stick with it.
I don't see why any country including ex colonial judges etc in HK should be poking their noses in other countries affairs, just wake up and come to terms that HK is no longer ruled by the ex great empire it once was, (taken my force because CHINA refuse to deal in the British drug trade) especially now that most countries look down at the UK because it lacks behind in everything from modernisation to finance, military, tech etc etc.
The land of Hong Kong is belong to Hong Kong people, we should have the right to determine our fate and majority of us still prefer British rule evan after 27 years of handover to China
Which county doesn't have a national security laws ? Don't the US or the UK have it.
Wrong analogy. China is not a real country nor it has any proper form nationalism. China is a party owned empire instead. That cause its national security law completely distorted that it aims to enforce monopoly of the Socialist party AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE IN CHINA.
This is impossible for a medieval kingdom or empire to create "national security law". Medieval England never had such law, because the so-called country is an family asset of the king. There is no national interest nor nationalism. There is only the interest of the royal family. This is where the position of China now: China is not a real country in the modern sense and it is not entitled to national security law. It is only an asset of the Socialist party just like the Medieval England.
The so called “law” in HK is they can use it to arrest anyone they want. Put u in jail without bail for years before trial. Even singing the song Glory to HK is validating that “law” now.
Which western country does not have national security law ? Look at those students who just tried to express their views in Universities !
The government of western countries are elected by people, they can overflow them with their votes, can Chinese people in China overflow their government with votes?
appearing to be so uneasy ? so uncomfortable while speaking ? as shown in body language ? is he speaking the truth ? really his opinions from the heart ?
He is sore he & the brits cannot mess around in HK anymore.
👍🐱🐈
People be talking about Hong Kong as if it had ever been democratic. Hong Kong never had the “democracy” that these people are lamenting.
Chinese economy overtook the EU and U.S. in purchasing power parity many years ago. Power metrics of BRICS+ far surpasses the G7 already.
So what? Even if it is true, what has it to do with democracy in HK?
It’s all about money innit 😂
@@bettercalIsaul These people just look at the number like GDP or purchasing power. Just a quantity which doesn't represent quality. In many Chinese cities, they keep building new houses which no one lives in. That may increase the GDP but totally meaningless. Many experts even doubt the number is accurate as local officials like to inflate the numbers in order to keep their jobs. As there are many people who think like "richardmarsden5610" live in China, it is not surprising it would happen. It may be like jxxking off which makes them feel better:)
Former Chinese Premier Li Keqiang once said around 6 billion people in China earned 1000 Yuan ( around US$141) a month. Not that bad, at least better than North Korea! 😂
How ignorant is Sky News? HK never had much democracy - the legislature was never 100% elected. The Chief Executive was never publicly elected. But whilst democracy has been further rolled back, it is the Rule of Law and freedom of expression and association and civic society that have been eroded.
So was there democracy under uk's ruled colonial hong kong?
Lol. Just because these holdover foreign judges from the colonial period are leaving does not mean the death of democracy in HK. This is another perfect example of westerners thinking only they hold the right to judge what is right or wrong lol.
As a Hong konger , I can dare to say it was dead , democracy is treated as a critical threat of CCP, and now they just turn their real face up after 27 years of ruling.
👎👎👎a racist
China broke verbal committments given concerning the treatment of the population in Hong Kong who in 100 years and 3 to 5 generations had become more british in their language, thinking, attitudes etc. The UK in 1997 could not force China to agree to anything new, as the 100 year old agreement stipulated the simple condition that it as to be leased then returned, without references to the people's welfare. The UK did not want mass immigration from the colony and so got assurances that the people would be allowed to go on as usual and be assimiliated wih China after 2047. But China started interfering quickly after handover, and people became agitated and protested then progressed to rioting. This suited China which moved in in force and showed it's strength with a brutal crankdown, arrests and long jail terms for renowned leaders. So now China has forced the Hong Kong administration to cancel the passports of named dissidents who escaped to the UK. So yes Democracy is much reduced, almost non existent.
He's dying. & so can't give right opinion.