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Hey Max please compare zoom H1 and that boom mic mentioned in this video. ( czcams.com/video/ozpd1Rx44aw/video.html) I am just thinking to upgrade my audio recorders so, will it be a worthy upgrade?? If you cannot make a videos then please reply me back!! Just send me another comment!!
I won't be able to make that, but the sound quality won't be much different. The main thing is it will have a little bit less noise in the audio as the Zoom H1 is cleaner. Personally, I'd buy the DR-22WL since you can do dual recording so you have a backup, and select MONO input instead of using stereo with the zoom and having to edit it to dual Mono when editing.
Have you officially reviewed or gone in-depth with the TS-453BT3 yet? looking for affordable options to share storage between the MBP and iMac Pro at faster than 1Gbe
Thanks for the detailed review Max. I've just ordered a unit for our office with 8 x 8TB drives, 4 x 1TB SSD & 2 x 1TB M.2 for Cache. Looking forward to testing it out!
Bought the thunderbolt 2 version about a month ago and I love it. Have it configured with 8 x 4TB drives in RAID5. Getting Write speeds of 253 and Read of 942. Love it. In the future I plan to add M2 Cache and SSD's as well as switching the 4TB to 10TB and add another 10Gbit Card.
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Max Yuryev Hi Do think is it better to use the 4bay and an Expansion pack or the 8 bay? What would be the speed differences? How is the noise level of the 4 and 8 bay? Thank you
You know I'm not sure what would be better, but I would say getting the 12bay. It has a lot more CPU power and more RAM (4 bay is limited to 8TB) so there may be some limitations because of the weaker CPU. The 4 bay is quieter.
If there are awards for CZcams videos this deserves one. This is a very good expose on what may be the best solution for Plex servers. The TVS-1282T3 is important in so many ways and this video brings that to life. After this video I was able to direct my energies to a more detailed deep dive and found this was what I have been looking for -- for several months. It looks to me that I will be able to ride this device for many years to come. A very big thank you sir.
Hey Max, How’s your almost 1 year experience been with the QNAP? Any issues with the device? Have read some people have had connection stability issues using the T3 interface.
Fantastic [detailed] review as always Max. Very much appreciated. I'm looking at getting the TVS-882ST3 over this simply because I don't need all the ethernet ports, in addition the TVS-882ST3 has USB 3.1 (in addition to Thunderbolt 3). That and I dare say it's portable, so it can travel with me (carry on) if need be. In addition, filling it up with SSDs rather than traditional hard drives makes it more hardy in addition to faster. Maybe this is wishful thinking, but any reviews of that planned? Keep up the great work!
I don't really see a use for that machine unless you really need A LOT OF SPEED and only that! Because even filled with 2TB SSds (which would be another 8k) it only gives you 16TB which isn't THAT much.
tiering is way better than caching. I really recommend using ssd tiering on these boxes. I max out my qnap without tiering on about 3,2Gbps, and when you are backing up A LOT of data, that's actually a bit slow, making your backup window big
Hey Max, great to see your reviews on the TVS-1282 QNAP! Its motivating me to get a QNAP for my 4K video editing... just wondering when you think you might do your review on the TS-453TB3? Really want to understand if I can save some $$ by using that option, or if the performance will be too slow? Im editing mostly 4k ProRes and 4k 100mbs H264 at 30 and 60 fps. Thanks!
Can you start with 4 drives and add 4 more in a year without much hassle? Would data from the original 4 drives be wiped during rebuilding of a raid 5 when more drives are added?
Hey Max, great video, thank you! I just wondering is it possible to connect both PC and Mac to one NAS? For example to have in one network 2 iMacs and 2 PC (on Windows) that can work simultaneously?
This is the best review so far. Can you tell me please which firmware you are using during the test? We have so much trouble getting this beast stable. Thanks
Hi Max, Awesome informative videos as always. I’m about to purchase a new NAS with the goal to read a minimum of 500mbps read and write speeds for all my 4K video projects. The speeds tests of spandotcom are a lot slower that yours for the TS-453BT3. My question is, did you use SSD caching on the NAS when you did the speed tests? If that’s the case, it would explain the ~100mbps speed increase that you have in your tests.
Thanks for your review! Do you think it is a big difference between the 3 different versions of the 1282T3? (i7, 64GB / i7 32GB / i5, 16GB)? I will primary use it for storing 4K video files and photos and edit from max 2 computers at the same time.
Hi Max, thanks for all your reviews, big fan. I have a question, im planning on getting a QNAP and was wondering the diference between the TVS-872XT and this one. Thanks a lot for your time and your great Reviews
One thing I don't understand, if the drives speed limit is around 200/mbs, and you are not using ssd caching, how come its capable of 1600 write speed? One more thing is it possible to connect older macs that use thunderbolt 2 or even older macs that has only usb 3? What maximum speed youll be able to get with these?!
Hi Max, thank you for the in-depth review... but I was hoping to see actual software configuration (static volume or thick volume, etc.,) to understand how exactly you are arriving at those amazing read/write performance. Here's my configuration: TVS-1282T3 64GB i7 8 x 10TB HGST Deskstar NAS 7200 RPM Raid 6 Thick Volume Apple Thunderbolt 3 cable Used FCPX Protocol while mounting the drive. No SSD or m2 added. Connected to iMac Pro, 10 core, 64 GB I'm getting a consistent 680 MBPS read/write... no where close to what you are achieving. I'm not sure what could be possible wrong. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!!!
Hi, Max. Do you have a review of the smaller QNAP TS-453BT3-8G-US NAS discussed at the end of this video? Curious to know your experience with the smaller version and thoughts re using it for 4K Raw from the C200. Thanks -- and thanks for all your quality content.
Great review, thanks!! Any idea if we can expect longer TB3 cables in the near future? I could see the 2M cables being a limitation for a lot of post studios. Workstations have to be quite close together.
Hey Max, you didn't mention why is the NFS better for editing than smb or afp. You mentioned it's better in 3 different occasions, but I'd love to know why as I bought this unit & am currently trying to set it up. Let me know as soon as you can.
Hello, great video! When working the 4 editors together, did you need to make any specific set up? Or the computers recognises the NAS as an external drive and you can start editing right away? I bought the Synology 1517+ without being an expert and I'm getting a lot of confusion with the IP settings and all the overall prep I need to make to set the multi editors workstation going, or even working connected to the computer and the wifi alternatively. thanks!
Hey Max! Excellent review! Is it possible to connect more than 4 Macs to the tvs1282t3? For instance if I have 4 Macs connected via the t3 ports, can I connect an additional 3 Macs via 10Gbe and USB3 ports?
For me I have 2 iMacs in 2 different rooms. If I wanted to share the 4 bay Qnap between the machines thunderbolt probably would not be realistic because of the distance. I guess my best choice would be 10 Gb ethernet.
Just a heads up - when you team or BOND ethernet links you DO NOT get double speeds - you get another instance of (in this case) 10Gbps - you do not get 20Gbps (or 2500MBps). If you team or BOND 2 10Gbps nics you can have 2 user instances of 10Gbps at the same time - maybe under a hypervisor?
This is the king of NAS but the price is what deterred me away and I ended up getting a synology ds1817+ ($850) with the purchase of a dual intel 10gb nic ($99), 16 gb of Ram($99), 10gb netgear switch ($200), Promise3 10gb to thunderbolt 3 ($300), four 4tb nas wd reds($500) and get around 500 mb read and write. Cost for the performance is what made me go the synology route but if I had more money I’d go with Qnap hands down.
+Peter Landis are you using the hybrid raid and adding more drives later? If not their new 4 Bay May have been a good alternative as well, since it has 2 TB3 ports as well as a 10gbe for $999. I’m getting 400 write and 600 read and about 350 read and write on each computer when having 2 Macs maxing it out at the same time over TB3. What 10GBe switch did you use?
If I had the money I would hands down get that qnap. The fact that it acts like a DAS using thunderbolt 3 directly for video editing is huge. I just couldn’t drop 3k on that device.
Max hello from sunny Athens! I have the same system with the exact same drives. Connected via thunderbolt 3 40gbps cable to a touchbar macbook pro 2017 I can get 1000+ read speeds on raid 6 but almost no acceleration on write speeds (200-250mb/s). This is over all 3 protocols (nfs/smb/afp). When you speed tested were you in raid 6 or raid 0?
Hey Max, follow up from your previous video, can you let me know the speed testing methodology you used? I’d like to compare to my synology over the 10Gb connection to see what speeds I’ll get. I love that the qnap has flexibility. I hope synology has something to rival it soon. Qnap has a beast that’s not out yet, but has an amd ryzen processor!
Kushari im just using the black-magic speed test with 5GB packet size. For the 1600MBs on a single computer I was using a 1 meter 40Gb/s cable and that was the peak but for all the other numbers quoted in let the test run continuously for about a half hour to see numbers that you would get consistently. Check out the speeds section if you haven’t seen that yet, and if love to hear what you get from your Synology.
Hi Max, thx for the video! In our small post production company we have the QNAP TVS-871T i7, we use the SMB protocol over thunderbolt to connect our 2 5K iMacs for editing with Premiere Pro and other CC stuff. For over 2 years now and works great. Why do you recommend the NFS protocol for editing? Or is this only for FCP? What benefits could we have to change our connection protocol? Many thanks!
Hi Max, when you plug this into your Mac Directly, can you mount the drive within your QNAP on your mac like it's an external USB or TB drive? I would want to plug this into my Mac and then use Time Machine to back the QNAP up - Thanks!
Hi Max and others, got my iMac Pro today and have a Drobo 5D with the older thunderbolt 2 connection. I bought the Apple $50 thunderbolt 3 (USB C) to thunderbolt 2 adapter and everything is working great. My question is this, when I run black magic Speed test I'm averaging 220MB Write and 235MB Read. Would it be in my best interest to update to newer Drobos with native Thunderbolt 3? Would I see any advantage in my editing timeline with Final Cut? I often edit 3 or more stacked 4K files in my timeline. Thanks!!!!!
Hey max thanks again, great video ! So, the only difference between this and the competitors (like Lacie Big RAID Storage) is to access it from anywhere ? At the end, how much does cost your set up please ?
The unit is $3100 (They have $3999 models but you don't need the extra RAM and processing power for video editing) + you need to add the cost of your drives which will vary greatly based on the size and type of drives you buy. I linked the drives I used and cheaper ones I recommend in the video description. The Lacie Big Raid is faster but can only be connected to one computer at a time with sucks is you have a team, and it's not a full computer/server so you don't have all the apps and features. (which you may not want or need). With that said the Lacie are fairly pricey, so if you get one that matches the capacity it will be similar in price but without the extra NAS features.
thank you for the great review max. as a two man operation, why did you decide against a synology 1817+ that does not have thunderbolt but still 8 bay and 10gbit at a fraction of the price? thanks!! (or if it wasn‘t out when you bought the qnap: would you possibly have gone for the synology if you could now?)
I have the 1817+ and the 10gbe card, and I’m ditching it after about 1.5 years for a QNAP 1677x. The Intel Atom CPU in the Synology, from my experience, isn’t enough to take advantage of what 10gbe can do. The speeds I’m getting are better than 1gbe for sure, but I need more. It seems that with Synology, you’re stuck with puny CPU specs in their desktop units and need to go to rack mount to get the powerful stuff.
Hi Max, not sure if you revisit old videos and answer question but here is one for you. Im debating getting the Qnap TVS-1282T3 but I wonder if you can also use the qnap as a render node/farm? Can you render out 1080p proxies from 8k r3d for example on the qnap? Option two would be to build a server since you can use as a render node (one of my best friend build plan the infra structure on servers so I can get great help). But I with a qnap I could do without help witch is always a plus.
Hi Max, thanks for the great review. We are looking to do exactly what I believe this device can do, which is connect 4 imac's to a single storage unit and be able to edit up to 4K footage across all 4 computers. I spoke to someone at B&H and I'm being told that only one imac would connect directly to the device and the other 3 would have to connect via a 10 gigabit ethernet router. It doesn't seem to correlate with what you've described in your video. Can you confirm (even though you did in the video), that we can connect all 4 of our imac's directly to the Thunderbolt 3 ports on the device and use this without a 10 gigabit router? This question is open to anyone that has used the device btw. Thanks for your great videos, keep up the amazing work!
Heck yes! This is exactly what I’m doing. You can see in the video I had 4 Macs (one iMac, two 13” MBP, and one 15” MBP) connected and pulling from it all at the same time using only Thunderbolt3. I wanted to avoid buying Thunderbolt to 10GBE adapters for all my Macs and an expensive switch and having to set all that up and even then the speeds would be slower. Works great! If you haven’t ordered yet confused using my link before you checkout on b&h it doesn’t cost you any extra and helps us keep investing a lot of time into videos like these!
So how would you connect multiple computers to the QNAP if the computers were further apart and using TB3 wasn't practical? Would you add TB3 to 10GBe adapters to each computer and run cat6a/cat7 cable from adapters directly to QNAP 10GBe port since I believe you mention the QNAP also acts as a switch. Or would you have to add the QNAP to a 10GBe switch, then run cat6a/7 cable from adapters to 10GBe switch (essentially creating a second LAN)? Also, I presume you would continue to use your 1GB ethernet line for internet connectivity and main LAN?
Max: Do you still have it, if yes: Could you connect it to the Mac Pro via twisted pair 10gbit ethernet and benchmark it? It may not be as fast but you can place it far, remove the noise and have an almost silent environment. Thanks
Okay, got the QNAP TVS-472XT 4-Bay 4GB Thunderbolt 3 with four Samsung 1TB 860 EVO SATA SSD drives... now... one question; can I configure RAID better than 0 ??? Should be able to do RAID 5 right?
Max good review but one thing is that your raw write/read speeds are not right. These hgst deskstar avg like 175 MB/S read/write speeds x 8 = 1,400 MB/S and you should take into account raid 6 slows them down a little bit so I don't know how are you getting faster speeds than the drives themselves are capable of?
The transfer speed also exceeds the capacity of a single 10Gb network connection... might be correct if transferring in both directions simultaneously or teaming NICs.
Yeah, that is valid question! Max has somethink in m.2 ports, but is this SSD? maby it is and is doing cashing, so in blackmagic speed test its all going from the m.2 ssd.
on qnap website the same model tested on single MB pro using TB3 they get 1171 MB/s read 1437 write. and for this they used 12 SSD's (Intel® Core™ i7-7700 3.60GHz CPU, 32GB RAM, Intel SSDSC2BB240G4 (SATA) x 12, RAID5). Max must have pulled some magic here.
Hey guys! Not sure if you saw the connection cable section but that matters a lot, along with the connection protocol type. The fastest speed was with SMB protocol using a 1 meter 40gbps cable. For usual video editing I’m getting a bit under 1000MBps that’s using NFS and a 2 meter cable.
The 4 Bay unit I linked to is less than 1/3 of the price, and when you'll spend 1/2 on the drives. If that's too much, you'll need to go with something that won't have Thunderbolt 3 or 10Gbe. If you don't need it to be a NAS (network attached storage) but just a direct attached for 1 editor, there is a new Drobo that I will have a video on. It's less expensive than the 4 bay Qnap and you can start with just 2 drives and expand it as you need and have money. amzn.to/2z8hH6T
Max Yuryev Thanks for your reply! I do feel like that the Drobo fits my needs better as it is cheaper yet still provides Thunderbolt connection. Looking forward to seeing your video on it before I make the decision.
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Why did you upgrade to the other one if this one is better?
In a recent review of the 4 Bay QNAP TS-453BT3, the Thunderbolt 3 front ports are actually going through a 10GbE adapter - i.e. the bottleneck being the 10GbE spec rather than TB3's 40Gbps. Do you know if the TVS-1282T3 is doing something similar (but if you're getting 1740MB/s maybe it's bridging 2x10GbE?)
Will the 453BT3 support 2 or 3 editors working simultaneously? I don't know if going with the new TVS-472XT. I prefer the 453BT3 due to its size and quietness, but don't know if it will be able to handle. Thank you
im interested in the smaller unit and would like to know more about the m.2 ssd .....how to install what are the benefits of the added cost.....how would you set up the nas for backing up multiple mac machines with time machine while backing up your photos?.....are you splitting drives? or is everything on a raid 5
I'll have a video on that. Since its using half the drives the speeds are slower but that can be offset by an M.2 SSD. I will show how to install it in my video. You can use one set of hard drives and create multiple volumes with it for time machine backups.
So for you it’s still a powerhouse with 16 GB i5 then. Is this because you only have two users? When would this config be a bottleneck over the other 2 i7 configs?
Did you need to install an SSD for effective editing when 2-3 mac/comps working off the NAS? Or is the SSD really just to help take some of the load from caching on your computer? Thanks!
TechNerdLogic :D funny.. i do have a masters degree in computer science and own my own IT company. We do maintain about 150 QNAP devices and 50 Synology devices. (QNAP & Synology certified) so yes I do know what I’m talking about. But hey thanks for your funny guesses without knowing me at all :D made my day...
yor file frotocol vs cablel speed is not relevent smb vi is singel tred and as a lot of overhead vs smb v3 is multy tred multi conection optimized so they don even compare so witsh did you use its like comparin a 1m cat 5e an cat 6 but aving the jumbo frames turnd on only on cat 6
I don't believe this is an option, you could map the drive (depending on your system) and then run googles backup and sync to that drive, although I'm guessing you're a lot of data. Even though it is unlimited Google Drive throttle after around 800gb. A good solution is Google Storage or Amazon S3, not too expensive either if you choose a local data centre.
Is it megabit or megabyte? Are my a6300's 4k 100mb bitrate files actually around 12.5 megabyte per second? And what does blackmagic disk speed measure in?
Yes, but keep in mind regular hard drives have to spin and the read head needs to move to access the data. If your doing 4x 4K video editing your hard drive speed could be fast enough, but you could get some lag because the read head latency is too high. When you set up a raid, the data is split up so its more fluid for multi-cam, more like an SSD which is the best (least latency).
Max Yuryev ahh right ok thanks... I'm having some weird issue playing back my 4k footage in Windows. Disk activity is 100% but it's stuttering... CPU GPU and ram are up to the task tho...
I cannot endorse QNAP, not because of their hardware, but the behind-the-scenes support. Over the course of 2 weeks, I attempted to contact QNAP by phone, email, Twitter, online tech support chat and got absolutely nowhere. I couldn't get anyone to email back, no one was answering the phones and the online chat times out after 20 minutes of waiting. I seriously believe QNAP's sales and support "division" is just a guy in his basement.
I was born in the Soviet Union? Lol. But seriously I do travel for work and my office is separate from the house now so it’s great to access the files from anywhere.
Gotcha. Its all good. In 2017 it is funny how people still refer to Internet connected things as being connectable from ANYWHERE in the world. We should be over that now - Its on the NET....so its connectable - in so many ways.
OMG, what a commercial for QNAP! Louder than a server? And turn off fans? I really don't recommend this, if you're not suppose to change your hdds. RAID6 (!) oh boy. If RAID0 - maybe 1740MB/s r/w and not on showed disks.
Eugene Smirnov I don’t think I said it was louder than a server... I would say it’s just a bit louder than your average windows PC plus add in the hard drive clicking noises. Definitely not “too loud” for many people but since I shoot out of the same office I edit in I need it to be quieter.
Thanks for reply, bro a word of advise, more useful would be attach this thing via iSCSI to your mac/win/hack for editing, so it's better for some apps. NFS for maximum performance will need a cache tuning, so it's not obvious for regular user. What about the internal nuts and bolts of this thing, for me is much better to take an old server and Linux+LVM+GlusterFS will be more cheep, flexible and reliable. And again. Don't use R6 it's owfull day-by-day waste of performance.
What kind of cache tuning? We're getting really good performance with NFS editing 4 streams of 4K ProRES at full resolution (both at the same time). No stuttering or anything else.
So good for you! I've problem of different kind with 100K+ small files read access while a dozen "real files" about 200-600G copied. ;-) If you're using this thing alone or with couple of colleges, all will be great. So jumbo frames + offload or you're loser. ;) About NFS cache: transfer of a big file goes by chunks, stored in memory first, and after (determined/default) period of time they actually stores to disk. Depending on average load, and kind of the load, performance may vary according this cache/time amount. And it's funny but not always maximal memory cache amount is optimal.
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Hey Max please compare zoom H1 and that boom mic mentioned in this video. ( czcams.com/video/ozpd1Rx44aw/video.html)
I am just thinking to upgrade my audio recorders so, will it be a worthy upgrade?? If you cannot make a videos then please reply me back!! Just send me another comment!!
I won't be able to make that, but the sound quality won't be much different. The main thing is it will have a little bit less noise in the audio as the Zoom H1 is cleaner. Personally, I'd buy the DR-22WL since you can do dual recording so you have a backup, and select MONO input instead of using stereo with the zoom and having to edit it to dual Mono when editing.
Thnx for your helpful comment! It really helped
Max, I see that you speed tested with thunderbolt 3, but how does it fare when you connect it to a thunderbolt 2 machine like the older macbook pro's?
Have you officially reviewed or gone in-depth with the TS-453BT3 yet? looking for affordable options to share storage between the MBP and iMac Pro at faster than 1Gbe
Thanks for the detailed review Max. I've just ordered a unit for our office with 8 x 8TB drives, 4 x 1TB SSD & 2 x 1TB M.2 for Cache.
Looking forward to testing it out!
How was it? I'm thinking on getting one as well
Bought the thunderbolt 2 version about a month ago and I love it. Have it configured with 8 x 4TB drives in RAID5. Getting Write speeds of 253 and Read of 942. Love it. In the future I plan to add M2 Cache and SSD's as well as switching the 4TB to 10TB and add another 10Gbit Card.
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Max Yuryev a grand is still a bit much.
Max Yuryev Hi
Do think is it better to use the 4bay and an Expansion pack or the 8 bay? What would be the speed differences? How is the noise level of the 4 and 8 bay?
Thank you
You know I'm not sure what would be better, but I would say getting the 12bay. It has a lot more CPU power and more RAM (4 bay is limited to 8TB) so there may be some limitations because of the weaker CPU. The 4 bay is quieter.
If there are awards for CZcams videos this deserves one. This is a very good expose on what may be the best solution for Plex servers. The TVS-1282T3 is important in so many ways and this video brings that to life. After this video I was able to direct my energies to a more detailed deep dive and found this was what I have been looking for -- for several months. It looks to me that I will be able to ride this device for many years to come. A very big thank you sir.
I bought the "small" brother (was on sale) because of your review. Looking forward to it!
Great review Max. I just bought a Synology 1517+ for my studio. But this NAS is on a different level.
qnap and synology...these companies are truly the apples of the storage world. you can build your own server that's better for far cheaper.
Watching this now in 2019 - I'm wondering if you've ever used 10gb network vs the thunderbolt? Thanks for the in-depth review!
Hey Max, How’s your almost 1 year experience been with the QNAP? Any issues with the device? Have read some people have had connection stability issues using the T3 interface.
Yeah I was curious about this too.
bump.
I have the TS-453BT3 for 1 year running PC and Mac and have had no issues over T3 or 10 gbe
Amazing review. Thanks Max! :D
Fantastic [detailed] review as always Max. Very much appreciated. I'm looking at getting the TVS-882ST3 over this simply because I don't need all the ethernet ports, in addition the TVS-882ST3 has USB 3.1 (in addition to Thunderbolt 3). That and I dare say it's portable, so it can travel with me (carry on) if need be. In addition, filling it up with SSDs rather than traditional hard drives makes it more hardy in addition to faster. Maybe this is wishful thinking, but any reviews of that planned?
Keep up the great work!
I don't really see a use for that machine unless you really need A LOT OF SPEED and only that! Because even filled with 2TB SSds (which would be another 8k) it only gives you 16TB which isn't THAT much.
tiering is way better than caching. I really recommend using ssd tiering on these boxes. I max out my qnap without tiering on about 3,2Gbps, and when you are backing up A LOT of data, that's actually a bit slow, making your backup window big
Hey Max, great to see your reviews on the TVS-1282 QNAP! Its motivating me to get a QNAP for my 4K video editing... just wondering when you think you might do your review on the TS-453TB3? Really want to understand if I can save some $$ by using that option, or if the performance will be too slow? Im editing mostly 4k ProRes and 4k 100mbs H264 at 30 and 60 fps. Thanks!
Can you start with 4 drives and add 4 more in a year without much hassle? Would data from the original 4 drives be wiped during rebuilding of a raid 5 when more drives are added?
Hey Max, great video, thank you! I just wondering is it possible to connect both PC and Mac to one NAS? For example to have in one network 2 iMacs and 2 PC (on Windows) that can work simultaneously?
This is the best review so far. Can you tell me please which firmware you are using during the test? We have so much trouble getting this beast stable. Thanks
Thanks Max. Great in-depth review.
Thanks for the pointer, have you tried encrypting any of your drives - if so does it degregate the performance at all?
Would be nice to see the QNAP fully loaded with SSD cache in raid-0 and see the performance on a 10Gbe network.
Hi Max,
Awesome informative videos as always.
I’m about to purchase a new NAS with the goal to read a minimum of 500mbps read and write speeds for all my 4K video projects.
The speeds tests of spandotcom are a lot slower that yours for the TS-453BT3. My question is, did you use SSD caching on the NAS when you did the speed tests? If that’s the case, it would explain the ~100mbps speed increase that you have in your tests.
Thanks for your review! Do you think it is a big difference between the 3 different versions of the 1282T3? (i7, 64GB / i7 32GB / i5, 16GB)? I will primary use it for storing 4K video files and photos and edit from max 2 computers at the same time.
Hi Max, thanks for all your reviews, big fan. I have a question, im planning on getting a QNAP and was wondering the diference between the TVS-872XT and this one. Thanks a lot for your time and your great Reviews
This was a great review! Just curious if your version was the i5 or i7? Also how much ram ddi you have?
This is excellent. Super helpful. Will use your links to buy.
Thanks for this Max! Great info, my company needs some better storage so this looks like it!
The bit you mention about cheaper processors etc also applies to 453bt3
One thing I don't understand, if the drives speed limit is around 200/mbs, and you are not using ssd caching, how come its capable of 1600 write speed?
One more thing is it possible to connect older macs that use thunderbolt 2 or even older macs that has only usb 3? What maximum speed youll be able to get with these?!
Great stuff Max. Is there a way to connect an external graphics card to this device so u can use it with a an average computer for video editing?
Hi Max, thank you for the in-depth review... but I was hoping to see actual software configuration (static volume or thick volume, etc.,) to understand how exactly you are arriving at those amazing read/write performance.
Here's my configuration:
TVS-1282T3 64GB i7
8 x 10TB HGST Deskstar NAS 7200 RPM
Raid 6
Thick Volume
Apple Thunderbolt 3 cable
Used FCPX Protocol while mounting the drive.
No SSD or m2 added.
Connected to iMac Pro, 10 core, 64 GB
I'm getting a consistent 680 MBPS read/write... no where close to what you are achieving. I'm not sure what could be possible wrong. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!!!
HGST will announce a new 14TB enterprise drive soon.
Hi, Max. Do you have a review of the smaller QNAP TS-453BT3-8G-US NAS discussed at the end of this video? Curious to know your experience with the smaller version and thoughts re using it for 4K Raw from the C200. Thanks -- and thanks for all your quality content.
Great review, thanks!! Any idea if we can expect longer TB3 cables in the near future? I could see the 2M cables being a limitation for a lot of post studios. Workstations have to be quite close together.
Lux Pro They have really long TB2 cables that use optical connections so I would expect that in the future with TB3.
Hey Max, you didn't mention why is the NFS better for editing than smb or afp. You mentioned it's better in 3 different occasions, but I'd love to know why as I bought this unit & am currently trying to set it up. Let me know as soon as you can.
Hello, great video! When working the 4 editors together, did you need to make any specific set up? Or the computers recognises the NAS as an external drive and you can start editing right away? I bought the Synology 1517+ without being an expert and I'm getting a lot of confusion with the IP settings and all the overall prep I need to make to set the multi editors workstation going, or even working connected to the computer and the wifi alternatively. thanks!
Hey Max! Excellent review! Is it possible to connect more than 4 Macs to the tvs1282t3? For instance if I have 4 Macs connected via the t3 ports, can I connect an additional 3 Macs via 10Gbe and USB3 ports?
For me I have 2 iMacs in 2 different rooms. If I wanted to share the 4 bay Qnap between the machines thunderbolt probably would not be realistic because of the distance. I guess my best choice would be 10 Gb ethernet.
Great video mate cheers.
Just a heads up - when you team or BOND ethernet links you DO NOT get double speeds - you get another instance of (in this case) 10Gbps - you do not get 20Gbps (or 2500MBps). If you team or BOND 2 10Gbps nics you can have 2 user instances of 10Gbps at the same time - maybe under a hypervisor?
This is the king of NAS but the price is what deterred me away and I ended up getting a synology ds1817+ ($850) with the purchase of a dual intel 10gb nic ($99), 16 gb of Ram($99), 10gb netgear switch ($200), Promise3 10gb to thunderbolt 3 ($300), four 4tb nas wd reds($500) and get around 500 mb read and write. Cost for the performance is what made me go the synology route but if I had more money I’d go with Qnap hands down.
+Peter Landis are you using the hybrid raid and adding more drives later? If not their new 4 Bay May have been a good alternative as well, since it has 2 TB3 ports as well as a 10gbe for $999. I’m getting 400 write and 600 read and about 350 read and write on each computer when having 2 Macs maxing it out at the same time over TB3. What 10GBe switch did you use?
+Peter Landis im about to throw a 1tb 960 evo into one of the m.2 slot and see how that does.
If I had the money I would hands down get that qnap. The fact that it acts like a DAS using thunderbolt 3 directly for video editing is huge. I just couldn’t drop 3k on that device.
Looks like a nice upgrade to my Drobo 5D.
Max hello from sunny Athens! I have the same system with the exact same drives. Connected via thunderbolt 3 40gbps cable to a touchbar macbook pro 2017 I can get 1000+ read speeds on raid 6 but almost no acceleration on write speeds (200-250mb/s). This is over all 3 protocols (nfs/smb/afp). When you speed tested were you in raid 6 or raid 0?
Hey Max, follow up from your previous video, can you let me know the speed testing methodology you used? I’d like to compare to my synology over the 10Gb connection to see what speeds I’ll get. I love that the qnap has flexibility. I hope synology has something to rival it soon. Qnap has a beast that’s not out yet, but has an amd ryzen processor!
Kushari im just using the black-magic speed test with 5GB packet size. For the 1600MBs on a single computer I was using a 1 meter 40Gb/s cable and that was the peak but for all the other numbers quoted in let the test run continuously for about a half hour to see numbers that you would get consistently. Check out the speeds section if you haven’t seen that yet, and if love to hear what you get from your Synology.
How fast does your home internet connection need to be to get the best speeds for the qnap?
Hi Max, thx for the video! In our small post production company we have the QNAP TVS-871T i7, we use the SMB protocol over thunderbolt to connect our 2 5K iMacs for editing with Premiere Pro and other CC stuff. For over 2 years now and works great. Why do you recommend the NFS protocol for editing? Or is this only for FCP? What benefits could we have to change our connection protocol? Many thanks!
Chess Bonte Hey Chess! I’m using it since thats what Qnap recommends. If it’s working for you with no stuttering then no problem!!
Hi Max, when you plug this into your Mac Directly, can you mount the drive within your QNAP on your mac like it's an external USB or TB drive? I would want to plug this into my Mac and then use Time Machine to back the QNAP up - Thanks!
can you connect the 4 to the 8 bay? SO...if you want to start with a 4....in a year add an 8 bay....can they be connected together?
Hi Max and others, got my iMac Pro today and have a Drobo 5D with the older thunderbolt 2 connection. I bought the Apple $50 thunderbolt 3 (USB C) to thunderbolt 2 adapter and everything is working great. My question is this, when I run black magic Speed test I'm averaging 220MB Write and 235MB Read. Would it be in my best interest to update to newer Drobos with native Thunderbolt 3? Would I see any advantage in my editing timeline with Final Cut? I often edit 3 or more stacked 4K files in my timeline. Thanks!!!!!
Hey max thanks again, great video ! So, the only difference between this and the competitors (like Lacie Big RAID Storage) is to access it from anywhere ? At the end, how much does cost your set up please ?
The unit is $3100 (They have $3999 models but you don't need the extra RAM and processing power for video editing) + you need to add the cost of your drives which will vary greatly based on the size and type of drives you buy. I linked the drives I used and cheaper ones I recommend in the video description. The Lacie Big Raid is faster but can only be connected to one computer at a time with sucks is you have a team, and it's not a full computer/server so you don't have all the apps and features. (which you may not want or need). With that said the Lacie are fairly pricey, so if you get one that matches the capacity it will be similar in price but without the extra NAS features.
I’m pretty much sold on this NAS, and have learner a fairly large amount of inf isn’t rem
thank you for the great review max. as a two man operation, why did you decide against a synology 1817+ that does not have thunderbolt but still 8 bay and 10gbit at a fraction of the price? thanks!!
(or if it wasn‘t out when you bought the qnap: would you possibly have gone for the synology if you could now?)
I have the 1817+ and the 10gbe card, and I’m ditching it after about 1.5 years for a QNAP 1677x. The Intel Atom CPU in the Synology, from my experience, isn’t enough to take advantage of what 10gbe can do. The speeds I’m getting are better than 1gbe for sure, but I need more. It seems that with Synology, you’re stuck with puny CPU specs in their desktop units and need to go to rack mount to get the powerful stuff.
Hi Max, not sure if you revisit old videos and answer question but here is one for you. Im debating getting the Qnap TVS-1282T3 but I wonder if you can also use the qnap as a render node/farm? Can you render out 1080p proxies from 8k r3d for example on the qnap? Option two would be to build a server since you can use as a render node (one of my best friend build plan the infra structure on servers so I can get great help). But I with a qnap I could do without help witch is always a plus.
I looked around and you cant do any rendering of the qnap.
Hi Max, thanks for the great review. We are looking to do exactly what I believe this device can do, which is connect 4 imac's to a single storage unit and be able to edit up to 4K footage across all 4 computers. I spoke to someone at B&H and I'm being told that only one imac would connect directly to the device and the other 3 would have to connect via a 10 gigabit ethernet router. It doesn't seem to correlate with what you've described in your video. Can you confirm (even though you did in the video), that we can connect all 4 of our imac's directly to the Thunderbolt 3 ports on the device and use this without a 10 gigabit router? This question is open to anyone that has used the device btw.
Thanks for your great videos, keep up the amazing work!
Heck yes! This is exactly what I’m doing. You can see in the video I had 4 Macs (one iMac, two 13” MBP, and one 15” MBP) connected and pulling from it all at the same time using only Thunderbolt3. I wanted to avoid buying Thunderbolt to 10GBE adapters for all my Macs and an expensive switch and having to set all that up and even then the speeds would be slower. Works great! If you haven’t ordered yet confused using my link before you checkout on b&h it doesn’t cost you any extra and helps us keep investing a lot of time into videos like these!
So how would you connect multiple computers to the QNAP if the computers were further apart and using TB3 wasn't practical? Would you add TB3 to 10GBe adapters to each computer and run cat6a/cat7 cable from adapters directly to QNAP 10GBe port since I believe you mention the QNAP also acts as a switch. Or would you have to add the QNAP to a 10GBe switch, then run cat6a/7 cable from adapters to 10GBe switch (essentially creating a second LAN)? Also, I presume you would continue to use your 1GB ethernet line for internet connectivity and main LAN?
Max: Do you still have it, if yes: Could you connect it to the Mac Pro via twisted pair 10gbit ethernet and benchmark it? It may not be as fast but you can place it far, remove the noise and have an almost silent environment. Thanks
Max will you make a PC for After Effects? Please make it with AMD Ryzen build. Thanks, Jaroslav Lajta from Slovakia
Hey Max, where's your TS-453BT3 review? There really aren't that many of these on youtube.
Hi Max, is it possible to connect this QNAP to my non thunderbolt PC via USB-C port that I added through expansion card?
If you’re copying data from a USB drive? What volume types will it recognize?
Okay, got the QNAP TVS-472XT 4-Bay 4GB Thunderbolt 3 with four Samsung 1TB 860 EVO SATA SSD drives... now... one question; can I configure RAID better than 0 ??? Should be able to do RAID 5 right?
Bro. Thank you
Max good review but one thing is that your raw write/read speeds are not right. These hgst deskstar avg like 175 MB/S read/write speeds x 8 = 1,400 MB/S and you should take into account raid 6 slows them down a little bit so I don't know how are you getting faster speeds than the drives themselves are capable of?
The transfer speed also exceeds the capacity of a single 10Gb network connection... might be correct if transferring in both directions simultaneously or teaming NICs.
I’m assuming it has to do with the SDD caching
Yeah, that is valid question! Max has somethink in m.2 ports, but is this SSD? maby it is and is doing cashing, so in blackmagic speed test its all going from the m.2 ssd.
on qnap website the same model tested on single MB pro using TB3 they get 1171 MB/s read 1437 write. and for this they used 12 SSD's (Intel® Core™ i7-7700 3.60GHz CPU, 32GB RAM, Intel SSDSC2BB240G4 (SATA) x 12, RAID5). Max must have pulled some magic here.
Hey guys! Not sure if you saw the connection cable section but that matters a lot, along with the connection protocol type. The fastest speed was with SMB protocol using a 1 meter 40gbps cable. For usual video editing I’m getting a bit under 1000MBps that’s using NFS and a 2 meter cable.
Arent you a little worriend no ECC on the setup?
Hey Max could you please do a similar video on good and hopefully cheaper consumer data backup solutions?
The 4 Bay unit I linked to is less than 1/3 of the price, and when you'll spend 1/2 on the drives. If that's too much, you'll need to go with something that won't have Thunderbolt 3 or 10Gbe. If you don't need it to be a NAS (network attached storage) but just a direct attached for 1 editor, there is a new Drobo that I will have a video on. It's less expensive than the 4 bay Qnap and you can start with just 2 drives and expand it as you need and have money. amzn.to/2z8hH6T
Max Yuryev Thanks for your reply! I do feel like that the Drobo fits my needs better as it is cheaper yet still provides Thunderbolt connection. Looking forward to seeing your video on it before I make the decision.
Why did you upgrade to the other one if this one is better?
In a recent review of the 4 Bay QNAP TS-453BT3, the Thunderbolt 3 front ports are actually going through a 10GbE adapter - i.e. the bottleneck being the 10GbE spec rather than TB3's 40Gbps. Do you know if the TVS-1282T3 is doing something similar (but if you're getting 1740MB/s maybe it's bridging 2x10GbE?)
he doesn't responds :(
Does this have the ability to convert photos on the fly? For example from RAW to JPEG for social sharing for example.
Will the 453BT3 support 2 or 3 editors working simultaneously? I don't know if going with the new TVS-472XT. I prefer the 453BT3 due to its size and quietness, but don't know if it will be able to handle. Thank you
come on, say something
I see it's connected with Thunderbolt 3s, how do I use this if my PC doesnt have a thunderbolt connection. ?
Would it work with 12 tb seagate nas drives?
Yes!
im interested in the smaller unit and would like to know more about the m.2 ssd .....how to install what are the benefits of the added cost.....how would you set up the nas for backing up multiple mac machines with time machine while backing up your photos?.....are you splitting drives? or is everything on a raid 5
The easiest way is to attach thing like this via NFS or iSCSI over the ethernet
and use cron+rsync (or time machine if you prefer to)
I'll have a video on that. Since its using half the drives the speeds are slower but that can be offset by an M.2 SSD. I will show how to install it in my video. You can use one set of hard drives and create multiple volumes with it for time machine backups.
So for you it’s still a powerhouse with 16 GB i5 then. Is this because you only have two users? When would this config be a bottleneck over the other 2 i7 configs?
This channel should be marked "May Be Hazardous To Your Bank Account"
Sir can i connect thunderbolt 2 compatible system
Max, what's the R/W speed like over a LAN?
If your using the 10GBE using SMB and jumbo frames 9000 enabled you should get just over 1000MB/s a second read and write
Max Yuryev Thanks for the info!
I see owncloud but nextcloud remain not available so we are force to use a vm that's too bad.
Anyone here know why you would opt to use NFS (Final Cut Pro) if SMB clearly has faster read and write speeds? Man computers are confusing 😅
Did you need to install an SSD for effective editing when 2-3 mac/comps working off the NAS? Or is the SSD really just to help take some of the load from caching on your computer? Thanks!
How loud is it ?
Does it work with PC?
thumbsUP!
Hey Max how fast speeds did you get out of the 4 bay version ?
it'd be slower than this RAID6 config, i'd say around 500-600mb/s read and 700ish write?
How’s Qnap compared to Synology?
www.qnap.com/static/landing/en-us/smb-nas/ comparison table there
QNAP is more focused on business and enterprise use. Way better build quality etc.
QNAP is more focused on enterprise use ^^ ask Synology and QNAP themselves ^^
TechNerdLogic :D funny.. i do have a masters degree in computer science and own my own IT company. We do maintain about 150 QNAP devices and 50 Synology devices. (QNAP & Synology certified) so yes I do know what I’m talking about. But hey thanks for your funny guesses without knowing me at all :D made my day...
no lies and i'm based in Germany. but thats from me in this chat. think what you wanna think like you did before.
Dang, I really wish I had the money for this...
I feel you dude(me to )
yor file frotocol vs cablel speed is not relevent smb vi is singel tred and as a lot of overhead vs smb v3 is multy tred multi conection optimized so they don even compare so witsh did you use its like comparin a 1m cat 5e an cat 6 but aving the jumbo frames turnd on only on cat 6
Does this NAS have Google Drive backup service? I have two g.edu accounts that have unlimited storage.
I don't believe this is an option, you could map the drive (depending on your system) and then run googles backup and sync to that drive, although I'm guessing you're a lot of data. Even though it is unlimited Google Drive throttle after around 800gb. A good solution is Google Storage or Amazon S3, not too expensive either if you choose a local data centre.
can i put ssds in those 8 slots
That's a bid Qerp device!
Is it megabit or megabyte? Are my a6300's 4k 100mb bitrate files actually around 12.5 megabyte per second? And what does blackmagic disk speed measure in?
Gershon Dharmanandan Your right, the a6300 and most Sony’s are 12.5MB/s (capital MB) and the blackmagic speed tests are also MB.
Max Yuryev thanks... So my disks doing 120MB/s on black magic is more than capable of multiple streams of a6300 footage?
Yes, but keep in mind regular hard drives have to spin and the read head needs to move to access the data. If your doing 4x 4K video editing your hard drive speed could be fast enough, but you could get some lag because the read head latency is too high. When you set up a raid, the data is split up so its more fluid for multi-cam, more like an SSD which is the best (least latency).
Max Yuryev ahh right ok thanks... I'm having some weird issue playing back my 4k footage in Windows. Disk activity is 100% but it's stuttering... CPU GPU and ram are up to the task tho...
I cannot endorse QNAP, not because of their hardware, but the behind-the-scenes support. Over the course of 2 weeks, I attempted to contact QNAP by phone, email, Twitter, online tech support chat and got absolutely nowhere. I couldn't get anyone to email back, no one was answering the phones and the online chat times out after 20 minutes of waiting. I seriously believe QNAP's sales and support "division" is just a guy in his basement.
Damn. Looks like a microwave oven. Been looking for a new storage solution myself, but I think I'll get a smaller version. ;)
Wow
To bad noone really reviews the virtualization speed on the more powerful Qnaps.
Hey, can anybody tell me what the benefits of an i7 compared to an i5 are?
Max gets off on "From anywhere in the world" ;-) ....So Max, how often do you go to anywhere else in the world?
I was born in the Soviet Union? Lol. But seriously I do travel for work and my office is separate from the house now so it’s great to access the files from anywhere.
Gotcha. Its all good. In 2017 it is funny how people still refer to Internet connected things as being connectable from ANYWHERE in the world. We should be over that now - Its on the NET....so its connectable - in so many ways.
#netneutrality #rip
Max, вы русский?
Flooded Да.
David G спасибо David G, а вы знакомы с Максом?
Flooded нет
OMG, what a commercial for QNAP!
Louder than a server? And turn off fans? I really don't recommend this, if you're not suppose to change your hdds.
RAID6 (!) oh boy. If RAID0 - maybe 1740MB/s r/w and not on showed disks.
I was wondering how loud this thing actually is.
Eugene Smirnov I don’t think I said it was louder than a server... I would say it’s just a bit louder than your average windows PC plus add in the hard drive clicking noises. Definitely not “too loud” for many people but since I shoot out of the same office I edit in I need it to be quieter.
Thanks for reply, bro
a word of advise, more useful would be attach this thing via iSCSI
to your mac/win/hack for editing, so it's better for some apps.
NFS for maximum performance will need a cache tuning, so it's not obvious for regular user.
What about the internal nuts and bolts of this thing, for me is much better to take an old server and Linux+LVM+GlusterFS will be more cheep, flexible and reliable.
And again. Don't use R6 it's owfull day-by-day waste of performance.
What kind of cache tuning? We're getting really good performance with NFS editing 4 streams of 4K ProRES at full resolution (both at the same time). No stuttering or anything else.
So good for you!
I've problem of different kind with 100K+ small files read access while a dozen "real files" about 200-600G copied. ;-)
If you're using this thing alone or with couple of colleges, all will be great.
So jumbo frames + offload or you're loser. ;)
About NFS cache:
transfer of a big file goes by chunks, stored in memory first, and after (determined/default) period of time they actually stores to disk.
Depending on average load, and kind of the load, performance may vary according this cache/time amount.
And it's funny but not always maximal memory cache amount is optimal.