How current politics exposes anti-defection law as a sad joke & failure | ep 210
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2019
- Karnataka is evidence that anti-defection law has failed as a legal solution to a political problem. @ShekharGupta declutters the law that has consistently failed to become a joke in Indian democracy, in episode 210 of #CutTheClutter
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I stupidly forgot the login password. I love any assistance you can offer me!
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Mr. Gupta, thanks for making the effort and referring to the state as Karnataka, we appreciate it.
What will happen if he missed a.
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@Punch Hard My friend came with same argument 🤣🤣🤣
@@lavsherarya3330 so just don't ask it stupidly again and again
Thank you for making the effort to pronounce Karnataka correctly.
I hope the quality of Karnataka politics improve and we have good leaders
I think it’s not 1/3 merger but ONLY 2/3 merger is allowed
The original act in 1985 spoke about 1/3rd, in 200 it was amended to 2/3rd.. So yeah you are right and Sekhar Gupta is Wrong..
@SekharGupta Please try not to confuse students and serious observers of Politics!!! You have a bigger responsibility sir.
The original 10th Scheduled added through 52nd amendment in 1985 had both 1/3 rd for Split (Para 3) and 2/3rd for merger (Para 4).The Para 3 i.e. dealing with Split 1/3rd was deleted through 91st Constitutional Amendment Act in 2003.( There is a difference between split and merger) So, basically Shekhar ji should have used 2/3rd as provided in Para 4 of 10th Schedule.( 10the Schedule earlier dealt with Sikkim which was completely deleted and later 10 Schedule was incorporated as Anti Defection Law).There are 7 Paras of which Para 3 has been deleted and Para 7 which bypassed Judicial Review has been struck down by the Honorable Supreme Court in Kihoto Hollahan Case (1992)
Appreciate your effort. Karnatak"a" it is...Kudos.
Great to see you making a conscious effort to say "Karnataka" and not "Karnatak".
The problem is with the electorate. Why do they elect such unscrupulous people?
ಸರಕಾರದ ನೆತ್ತಿಮೇಲೆ ಸಣ್ಣ ದಾರದಲ್ಲಿ ನೇತಾಡುತ್ತಿರುವ ಕತ್ತಿ ಪಕ್ಕ ತಳ್ಳಲು ಅಥವಾ ಕತ್ತರಿಸಲು ಸಭಾಧ್ಯಕ್ಷರ 'ಕೈ' ನಡುಗುತ್ತಿದೆ. 'leave him not hang him. ಎಲ್ಲಿ ಚುಕ್ಕಿ ಇಡಲಿ? 'leave him. not hang him. OR leave him not. hang him'. ೬.೫ ಕೋಟಿ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಪ್ರಜೆಗಳ ಒಲವನ್ನು ಅಳೆಯುವ ಬಗೆ ಇಲ್ಲವಲ್ಲಾ. ಚಲನ ಚಿತ್ರಗಳಲ್ಲೂ ಕೊನೆಯವರೆಗೂ
ವಿಜೃ೦ಭಿಸುವುದು ಖಳನಾಯಕರೇ. ೧೩೦ ಕೋಟಿ ಭಾರತೀಯರು ದೇಶದ ಒ೦ದು ದೊಡ್ಡ ಪಕ್ಷಕ್ಕೆ ಬೇಸತ್ತು ಬದಲಾವಣೆ ಬಯಸಿದ್ದು ಬಯಲಾಗಿದೆ. ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದಲ್ಲೂ ತೂತಾಗಿರುವ ದೋಣಿಯಿ೦ದ ಹಾರುತ್ತಿರುವ ಶಾಶಕರ ಸ೦ಖ್ಯೆ ಕೂಡುವ ಲೆಖ್ಕವೇ. ಪ್ರಜಾಭಿಪ್ರಾಯವೇ ಮ೦ಕಾಗಿರುವ ಕಾನೂನಿನ ತೊಡಕಿನಲ್ಲಿ, ಅರಳು ಆರಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ಹಳೆ ಪಕ್ಷಗಳು, ನಾಯಕರು ಪರಿಣಿತರೇ.
ಕುದುರೆ ದಬ್ಬಿದ್ದರೂ ಜೀನ್ ಬಿಡದೇ ಅ೦ಟಿರುವ ಸ್ವಭಾವ. ಜಾತಿ ಕೋತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಮೈ ಪರಚಿಸುವ ದೊ೦ಬರಾಟ. ಮತದಾರರು
ಒಗ್ಗೂಡಲೇ ಬೇಕು. ಪರದೇಶಿ ಮ೦ಗಗಳೂ ಪರಚಲು ತಯಾರಾಗುತ್ತಿರುವುದು ದೇಶದ್ರೋಹಿಗಳ ಅಧಿಕಾರದಿ೦ದ. ಪ್ರತಿಯೊಬ್ಬರೂ ಚೌಕೀ ದಾರನಾಗಲೇ ಬೇಕು. ಜೈ ಭಾರಥ್.
Because people are idiots, who vote for BJP and Congress. Both are corrupt.
Rs.2000 per vote in Karnataka. In Mandya where HDK's son contested and lost, and in Hasan district where HD Revanna's son contested and won. That's what elects these crooks.
the electorate is the victim . in this case, after resignation, the voters will have the final say. seems fair .
@@GM_- I once met a person on a train who preached that the food we ate was entirely due to the Nehru - Gandhi family . He truly believed that .
Shekar ji...when are you de-cluttering Article 370 and 35A
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Read it as 35A
@@sheelapranatiraj I understand that just wanted to point to the fact that if someone doesn't know the basics, there is always are chance of ignorant whataboutery which can creep in their arguments.
@@sheelapranatiraj thanks
Thank you for calling my state Karnataka and not just Karnatak.
Hahaha
He said Karnataka instead of karnatak! Wow. Didn't think he was capable of change
Ah, atlast! 'Karnataka'. Now that is music to ones ears.
@@GM_- We need to just keep educating them via comments, I guess
You didn't mention Mr.Bhajan Lal Drama in Haryana when the complete Bhajan Lal Government detected to congress overnight.
Haan Praveen Gupta ji, yeh sabko pata hai. My question is why are you using ills of the past to justify ills of today. Is that not equivalent to justify bad things today. It's like saying 'Kal Congress ne Kiya toh aaj BJP kare to theek hai.' Aise to Praveen ji aap emergency bhi justify kar dengey agar kal Modi emergency declare karta hai
same happened in Arunachal recently where Pema Khando defected from Congress to BJP with 40+ MLAs (state only has 60 MLA)
All these uneducated politicians are from the same sewage system.
Thank you for pronouncing the state correctly
Karnataka, really appreciate it..!!👍
it is sad but you cannot blame any party as the saying goes"politics is the last refuge of SCOUNDRELS"
Thanks for correcting the pronunciation of Karnataka
Great to see that people here are discussing whether Shekhar pronounced Karnataka right or not, rather than the poor state of political affairs in the state. I wanted to throw the question that who should be blamed responsible for such a mess in the state...but after reading so many comments I guess my question has the obvious answer.
Very nice and detailed analysis 👍👍
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Nice analysis.
Rather than shouting like others.
Calm explaination.
love your talks Mr Gupta ji, makes sense, unlike other channels there is nothing but shouting and fighting. keep it up !
Mr. H Vishwanath state JDS president untill yesterday is also rebel. This shows pethetic political affairs in Karnataka. Untill JDS dies down we should go through this.
This law has all loop holes. What is the purpose of election if politics move away from one party? No one to question?
Thanks a lot for CutTheClutter show. I have been following it religiously. I really like the way you try to declutter stuff. I have been using it as my daily dose of news and I don't think there is a better way to present stuff which matters.
SG... you beauty... Now a days the most favorite thing for me in cricket is a double century partnership of rohit and virat in an ODI... Their individual centuries are also great but I can pay anything to watch their double century partnership... Same is with your journalism... It is great almost always but sometimes you hit it out of the park... This was one such piece...
Nice series Shekar ji. Best part is episodes being shot outdoors & indoors. Good to see that variance and not being cliched only to TV studios!!
Enjoyed the analysis and i am happy you ate making effort to pronounce correctly😁😁
At 6:59 is anonymous not unanimous
your sustained investigation into the Malegaon and Modasa blasts of 2008 and the alleged role of extremists and organisations ,sir is really sadhavi has hand in malegoan blast and if see has her hand then why UPA government hadn't proven her guility
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In America and UK there are strong civil societies. They can vote across aisles and vote their conscience. In India, who has a conscience? If they are not forced to vote according to a party line, there will be daily horse trading.
Shekhar sir, you are minding your karnatak- Karnataka pronunciation, good that you have changed please spread this message to our dear north Indians to use the same
Ever heard about the word accent
@@papastalin1543 yes heard of Supremacists thinking
I will follow ur suggestion but curious to know reason in repeated comment on this.
"KarnatakA". Thank you Mr. Gupta! Now another thing to remember - Its Vidana Soudha in KarnatakA, not Vidana Sabha.
Its vidhana sabha, Vidhana Soudha is the name of the building. When we are referring to state assembly, the technical term is vidhana sabha.
Keep your regional terms with yourself. He is using a state-neutral term.
Thank you so much sir, for enlighting us
Gupta has forgot to mention why anti defection law was brought by congress/ so called Mr. Ghandi. this is called "selective journalism" in Mr. Gupta's own words, Hypocrisy at its height!
@gener8enigma yes it shows clearly by your comment
Switch the speed to 1.25 times
Great insight of bad political scenario
Why do these 'shankar' character are still not debarred from the elections from going forward? Is it so rigid that given a government is formed and they have majority they can last for 5 full years and punish the very same voters who had elected them?
Can't there be a President / Governor can intervene and 'nullify' the ineffective governments?
Think about scenario in neighboring Tamil Nadu, there as well we have such an ineffective government but no one is able to do anything to them. Similarly in Delhi, we have a government who did not much to the people.
Thank you for doing this video from indoor... And not a helipad as you usually do
thank you so much sir
R shankar is now a MLC and is confident to become minister.
My comments regarding R-Shankar. Since he is an independent, he is a self made MLA. I think he should have been a good person to have been chosen by the people over and above party lines. I am pretty sure he would have wanted an important post to have made some difference to the people. Since he was given environment, forest and ecology, I'm pretty sure he would have been shocked at the level of corruption by the officials in the ministry. If he had tried to root out the corrupton, his first move would have met with resistance and the congress party would have kicked him out the first thing. He would have been allowed to stay in the post if he would have been happy getting his hafta. The same would have been the case with the ministry of municipal affairs. There is a reason why the congress were reduced from 122 seats to 79 seats inspite of the huge support the congress enjoys from the bureaucracy. There is also a reason why the congress enjoys a huge support of the bureaucracy. There is also a reason why the congress and JDS MLAs have to run away to other states to get away from cops, undercover cops and goondas if they take a different stand from the party line. But I agree that people who can't obey by the party diktats should not be fighting elections on party symbols.
Thanks Shekharji
please add a few graphics to make your pesentation more attractive
Its tough haan sir, moving from your natutal pronunciation "Karnatak" to the correct one "Karnataka". Honest attempt in this video, the first attempt and you almost made it through. Hope you stick it perfectly next time. :D
this would have been the state of India, if modi had lost. Pls. preach this mr Shekhar, but i guess you will not
Do you not see that BJP is singlehandedly doing this goondaism. In Goa as well as in Karnataka. I am no Congress supporter, I think if Congress had been strong at centre, they would have done the same. STOP BEING STUPID, MODI IS NOT YOUR SAVIOUR.
@@AzeemAkbar very true. I agree with you completely, Azeem Akbar. I don't know how will this grave crisis of democracy end. Hatred against Muslims has reached such proportions. I feel for our democracy and our country.
@@mohitsrivastava5197 Two points: Defection was engineered / pioneered by Indira Ghandhi when she got Bhajan Lal to floor cross. Second. Absolutely. It is a wake up call to the electorate to give a principled and decisive mandate or suffer a wishy washy legislature. A lesson and message for all of India , not just Karnataka.
@@ShekarRangarajan I agree. Indira Gandhi is no democrat. I hate her as much as I hate Modi.
@@mohitsrivastava5197 Lol. Here comes another DHIMMI. Do you know what Ghazwa-E-Hind, Darul-Islam, darul-Harb, jihad, etc are? Zero knowledge of facts and pretending to be a do gooder.
Sir after 91 amendment act of 2003 this provision of 1/3 party members had been deleted
What about media, they too are black mailers
CORRECTION!!!!!!
: 1/3 MEMBERS of a political party in case of split got omitted as an exception from defection law.. now it the case of MERGER when 2/3 of a political party merge with other or form a different party.
But, the law missed the whole crux. It should be if an MLA is resigning then opponent should lose equal MLAs, which shouldn't prevent them from standing in another election and serving their constituency. But their voting rights should be made void for the period of government along with equal reduction of its opposition.
Well, I believe there is an easy explanation of this mess. When BJP was so close to the majority mark in Karnataka, the party which finished a distinct third should have realized this and let BJP form the government. Now sadly the person who is also ex-PM of India behaved like a greedy opportunist, put his self-interest over everything else. Got into the business of dalali with a defeated party which lost 50% of its seats it had won in the last election. All these actions resulted in empowering people like Shankar's of the world. When these leaders are such bad role models, how can anyone expect their followers to be sane!!! There is an old Kannada saying "Yatha Raja Tatha Praja" (People simply follow the Leader/King) which is apt to this situation.
The problem is with the electorate, they vote for cash not for somebody who is morally incorruptible . you forgot to mention the great chandrababu naidu induced 23 mlas' from ysrcp to cross over to his party and he also made some of them ministers during 2014-2019 assembly period in ANDHRAPRADESH.The speaker did not take action till the end of legislative assembly term.It is better to scrap the law and help restore freedom of expression in legislative matters till people voluntarily realise and vote sagaciously .
I believe, this democracy and therefore party candidate also must have right to decide and join the group.
Shekhar Gupta ji, if anti-defection law is failed and should go, then how we can maintain the stability of the state and centre governments, like sarpanches in panchayats the CM and PM should be elected directly by the common voters so that the stability can be maintained. In last lok sabha elections the stability point is also considered widely by the neutral voters and they voted for the stable government.
Sir @ShekharGupta, just like the anti defection law, is there need for Anti Defection of Pre-poll alliances? Like in case of Mahashtra, Shivsena was part of alliance, many voters voted them as they were part of alliance. But post result the whole trading started. Such times are best for independent candidates.
Should have included some suggestion or "way forward".
Anyhow.. What he want to say is, Politics is Politics..
This freedom for mla/mp can applied for making a bill, but when it comes to floor test/no confidence motion surely anti defection should come into force with more power otherwise party with more money will easily start poaching...
Sir it's not 1/3rd it amended in 2003 by 91 amendment and it is now 2/3 rd
If likes of R Shankar can not be cured with law what is other alternative or is there any other alternative?
Two-thirds, SG!
Hillary benn speech was actually really good.
I would like to see that by constitution smaller party should be band from getting any ministerial berth in any coalition government, because public did not give mandate to be ruled by them. Also CM position should be reserved for the largest coalition partner, and junior coalition partner should be given only Minister of state portfolio in proportion to their number in the assembly. This way the smaller party will think twice before supporting any of the two largest party. This way the smaller party stay neutral and let largest minority party run the government. Vote on the merit of the motion.
Politicians - are a reflection of our society!
There were times, when the character of person was valued and people use to stand by the word. In today's society, there is hardly any value left for character & word. And, we all are responsible for it. Now, we expect the politician to be a good guy, conviniently forgetting this guy is the worst product of our own society(which is us). Till, we don't change our society(which is ourselves), we will have more & more such examples.
Unfortunately, India which used to be respected for its character, is fast losing it. And, there is very little hope or maybe no hope, on the horizon.
The situation in Manipur is also one of its kind. Congress, LPJ, Trinamool, Naga People's Front and NPP all in a BJP led govt. Infact the only state in India and also the only instance where Congress MLA is a minister in BJP govt. with about 7 other Congress MLAs openly joining the BJP govt 😆😆😆😇😇😇
Yes. Change the rules. No party can issue whip, unless it is a 'no confidence' motion.
Anti Defection law is now 2/3rd members required for a valid Defection not 1/3rd as quoted.
Now it’s 2/3rd after 91st amendment
I think that the party whip should be removed all together. The members should be free to vote on issues based on their conscience. This should be the same for the ruling party and the opposition. Since the legislators are elected representatives of the people, they should represent and speak for the issues of the people in their constituencies and not be forcefully bound to the decisions of some third person (even if he is a representative of some other constituency). That is the real democracy. His first responsibility is towards the people of his constituency and not to be a zombie of a political party. In case of corruption by the legislator, it should be detected and exposed through some other means.
Apart from national parties, all the regional parties are run by a founder / president have no democratic ethics expect prrsonal interests. Defection may takes place commonly since past. The present bill in force is to be ratified.
R Shankar got Environment, Forest, Ecology - This is not a small ministry Shekhar! - Think of a corrupt politician and think FOREST - Now imagine all the loot he did in the pristine forests of Karnataka. See?
Seems like the so called political parties have no intensions for the state to come up or work for the people of Karnataka, India comes first then their parties, shame shame.....
Disagree with you on this . MLA are to re-contest , Which will give opportunity for people to choose them again if they are deserving
Hmm...let’s not become pessimistic! Oh, Indians, unite! Rise above your religious, linguistic, social differences and make your servants((politicians who are paid servants to you) work! That’s all...if you are divided, your servants have free fun! Don’t be a party supporter but be a citizen to enforce your needs and rights!
It’s not 1/3rd it’s 2/3rd after the amendment done in 2003.
yatha raja, thatha praja...!!!! Now i can break law too...!!! I have the license from my politicians....
They are not our king
@@sauravboloor6937 in a modern democratic set up they are.. Elected kings...
@@sharadhsubadra18 no I don't think so. Perhaps you just give them that status. Our democratic system is the same it's just that people aren't well educated enough to stand up for it.
Which part of the anatomy does it pain more.
It's two - third Mr Gupta!
Cbi Ed all kind of tax officials why they do not catch these idiots who collect money and favours illegally? They did demonitization for what purpose?
Only for monetary gains these politicians
Anti defection law needs to stay so that it can make it difficult for defections which would frequently take place in it's absence. In every country there is political impropriety but the major difference is in the developed countries there is lobbying done to get the interests of the lawmaker accommodated in exchange for their vote while in India it is crudely done with either money or ministerial berth.....
Bro Shekhar what happened to Augusta Westland case? Any updates?
This anti defection law is anti democratic as it puts parties interests above people. Brexit is a standing example where the ruling party lost a secret ballot yet won the no confidence motion. That would never happen in India as parties would force an outcome that is anti people thanks to whips and anti defection law. Why is it that our democracy will run away from secret ballots. Even the party presidents are elected by whips. In some of our states (Delhi) as well as center there is no opposition leader. There is no one to balance the power except for an unelected RS or upper house in the state. In Karnataka people were not allowed a say as to who the CM should be it was decided by a mother and son sitting in Delhi. How is it democracy?
Good analysis and I agree with the suggestion that anti defection law must go.
Phenkhu Shekhu Good that the naivett of old BJP are over.YOU never wept when Khangis were playing these games with great aplomb.What were the credentials of the last UPA governments .Khangis must be taught This is HARD POLITICS & not the family matters of RaGS.
It's Mumbai and not Bombay.
Before 2020 Congress government is going to fall in m.p too. And people want it , as they have done absurd amount of curruption in last 6 months and they preparing to leave already
Problem everyone know plz come up with solutions
You can fix this by not voting for such people. That is the only way. Vote for Honest people who have some vision and integrity regardless of which party he is from.
Please put some light on Gujarat assembly defection issue, where congress poached BJP MLAs (led by Shankar sinh Baghela). It was very much congress' game till the time they found Shah like shrewd politician on the otherside, i know these incidents had almost given you heartburn, but sorry, you have to hear this alot in the near future too
R shankar 👉ye toh gaya ram ka dada nikla 👈😂😂
I don’t know whatever the law is but Iam from karnataka and I just want this jds/Congress govt to go.its basically govt run from the house of Deve Gowda and that’s why most MLAs of Congress are resigning because they treat everyone as thier slaves
So what is the solution ? Is there one? Can the abuse of people’s mandate be arrested?
What else you expect.
23rd May ko ek ped gira or ab jameen hil rahi hai.
That Rajiv who brought this law did not make any defection to come under Anti defection law.
The law legitamised mass defection,Bound to fail
Wt abt Cong and JD getting together.....did they seek vote on coalition.......post poll coalition shouldn't be allowed
Two-thirds and not one-third
This is a eventful circus with some trapeze artist clinging to a sling on the other side! Some are missing & some are not making any moves!
Its not 1/3rd. Its 2/3rd.
Not 1/3 its now 2/3
One third or two third I heard two thirds
Again a fear to talk on WHY defection occurs was neglected. That part was smartly left to create an image. Which rationally a futile attempt.
After modi's second inning, yeh banda bahut sudhar gaya. varna ek bhi moka nahi chhodta tha Modi ko badnam karne ka