RMAF 2018 - Better Streaming Experiences at Home (and Away)
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Speakers: John Darko, Editor/Publisher at Darko.Audio; Michael Lavorgna, Editor/Publisher at TwitteringMachines.com
A fireside chat. How do you stream music? Which services do you use? Which software? What hardware? Do you listen at home or outdoors? Michael and John discuss the numerous possible routes to a more pragmatically satisfying streaming experience.
The 2018 Seminars are sponsored by Enjoythemusic.com
honestly seems like these guys are speaking from the perspective of the typical audiophile which I appreciate!
It is a pleasure to listen to Micheal and John talking about music. Especially thinking about music in a constructive way. Thank you so much to you both
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John's conferences are by far the best.
Just found this 👍🏻
It's nice to know your not alone
Excellent show to attendees.
Thank you. .
These people talk about "quality of stream" so much I thought I was watching a urologists' convention!
LOL!!! Good one!
i enjoyed this. I'm new to this streaming thing. Thank you.
Excellent job, guys!
Naim Uniti Nova does it all for me !
39:06 "Like the older gentleman" I love the reaction from the guy behind!
Dear oh dear. Wish I'd checked my shirt collar after pulling my bag over my head and sitting down in front of cameras. ;)
John, I believe you are listening to LDAC over Bluetooth rather than aptX. LDAC belongs to Sony by the way and embedded in Android 8 and above.
Review proposal for your channel: Dali io6 noise canceling headphones. Thx
We listen to you for what you have to say, not for your looks
Overall enjoy your channel and content ... but your reaction to the otherwise funny "wife comment" made me cringe... I can't handle when people are over the top politically correct... I hear that's become the norm in England these days sadly... I mean if you spent any time in the audiophile world (I've been into it for 35 years)... you KNOW that 99.99% of Audiophiles are men... and women generally have zero interest in the topic, or your gear.. I was married 18 years, and since have had a dozen short and longer term relationships and not a single one of those women gave a rats ass about gear or format... they just wanted to listen to their MP3 player and call it good.
Sound quality is so much better ripping your cds to flac files then playing them from a network music player, rather than streaming from Spotify
I find that as well. tidal is lower quality than ripped flac but you have access to several million albums,playlists etc
I think poor Chris Connaker should have shown those house rules at the start of his MQA presentation :-)
such a young audience
Complimentary prune juice for all.
The problem with Roon Radio is, that it only takes Tidal songs into account that you have added to your library. So Roon Radio in expectation to present you new songs from Tidal, you don't already know, will not work (at the moment).
Great show
Separate comment: Would really like to have an in depth discussion of the differences between Tidal and Qobuz catalogs in the US (EU Qobuz is much deeper). I find Qobuz lacking a lot of electronic music, for example, which is why I have not ditched Tidal.
Miguel Barrio totally agree about not ditching Tidal, but just added Qobuz for $150 annual. Qobuz has massive holes in catalog, but what they have sounds better.
I've listened to enough
How come Roon is more expensive just as a cataloging system compared to a full fledged streaming service like Tidal?
because its reeeeally really good.
Why is top end HiFi 100x the price and 10% better? It's about value to the consumer not value relative to other things.
Please capture better audio especially from the audience, thanks!
I feel myself 100% represented by the guy talking in min 48:35, back in the days i use to buy 15 or 20 albums per year, right now i barely buy a one or two. I feel that if i only like a couple of songs it's no worth the purchase, i just add them to a playlist
Hi John great vid. I used to stream Spotify but my account got hacked and my favourites were then disrupted,. I am a Mac fanboy(man) so use Apple Music as its just easy. I have the Neil Young lossless pony which is actually my fave lossless device of choice.
Same here! Apple is actually an excellent alternative for me because I can go from home to car to work and back seemlessly!
I’ve been finding you should max out the DAC as a good one at the price or even a hyper priced DAC , but don’t go crazy, price wise, on the streamer.
I really wish Allo Digital could have been named by name instead of the Sonore Microrendu in this presentation. Allo Digital have done so much work to get legit, audiophile-quality level streaming into anyone's home who wants it at an acceptable price point and Allo Digital are, to my eyes, very accountable. Darko Audio have told us that there is effectively almost no difference between the Allo Digital and Sonore solutions . Why does this presentation confuse that statement?
If there is a legit qualitative difference between the Alo DigiOne and Microrendu solutions as digital transports then please do qualify that (and quantify if possible).
@@calebkeen8967 I don't carry around the DARKO DAC Index in my head. In the moment, under the pressure of chairing a seminar, I forget stuff. LOTS of stuff. You are right, the ALLO Digital solutions are terrific. Pretty sure I mentioned the Raspberry Pi as a streaming point in this seminar.
In fact, just skimming through, at 16mins-ish, I say the world of Raspberry Pi is really shaking up the high-end streamer market. It was ALLO who I was thinking of when I said this.
Why no mention of Google Play / CZcams Music streaming services? The best UI / large artwork in the biz, especially on a larger iPad....
Streaming music is not primarily about artwork though
What are people mainly using these days to discover new music? Roon, Tidal, or spotify? I have been trying to find new music for years and Spotify has been my only content, which is limited to licensing.
I'm loving using Tidal so far.
Tactical Audio Video
Roon is a music player, not a streaming service
Technically all streaming services are limited to licensing. I have Apple Music since I’m All-In with Apple’s ecosystem, and many albums in my collection have gone “grey”, which means the album is no longer available or it’s rights have gone to another country so it’s no longer available in the US.
I just ordered a digione signature with the raspberry pi 3 but it is offered with the raspberry pi 4, should I have ordered the 4 instead?
is Hifiqa currently online ?
I disagree with the CD remark. CDs are dead and not coming back. Maybe a standard HI RES CD. Redbook CDs sound very clippy.
How about amazon music HD vs tidal and qobuz
John Darko - nice Plastikman shirt. :)
Ben Werthmann number one reason I miss cd inserts
I feel asleep...what was the topic again?
the truck have started to move
RIP LG phone.
Seems like they are trying hard to not mention Sonos. Especially when speaking about software quality, they cannot be ignored.
Sales men at work . If you have a AV or Amp built in the last 5 years and a computer you can do everything they talking about and more .
yep and I can get everywhere I need to go on my bike...
I use Spotify, tried Tidal but everything except the music quality was inferior. Too few MQA songs to justify the extra price and hassle. If any company offered DSD streaming I would 50$ per month for it.
What about subsonic?...
...and then there are those times you see you peer group and realize it's time for a new hobby. Can anyone in this room still hear the frequencies and nuances they are deliberating. Lol
Qobuz sounds better than tidal on an IPhone. IMO
Why is the wife remark “icky”? My wife is a brilliant woman- much smarter than me- but she wants her music quickly and simply. I on the other hand enjoy tinkering with equipment as well as software and apps. Dunno... seemed a bit too PC of an overreaction. Made me feel icky- the reaction- and I’m an avid fan.
Relax fella’s.
I always thought that the definition of an Audiophile is someone who cares about sound quality
Do double blind testing to back up what you're saying.
Whenever folks start talking about subtle differences in quality in digital devices I get really suspicious. FFS, fairly cheap electronics can decode and decrypt HDMI _video_ realtime including multiple full bandwidth audio without any problem, how hard can it be to get perfectly adequate [transparent] audio bandwidth stereo DACs?
Fewer boxes not less boxes is what he really means.
My brother... if you find "wife acceptance factor" to be icky (I agree), then I find the headphones in a "men's color" to be kinda icky too. just sayin ; )
Are men and women biologically the same or are there genetic differences that on average make them behave differently and have different preferences?
Streaming, in it's present state, will edge us closer to poorer and poorer music. If the corporate greed can be somehow be brought under control, then it can be a good thing. Anyone with any intelligence will not be interested in becoming a musician, trying to scratch out a living and live somewhat of a 'normal' life, even by musician standards. The 'shysters' have been engrained in this industry and all but controlled it for many decades. Deceit and theft ... a common theme I'm afraid.
polishing a turd
nice Plastikman T-Shirt
Deezer is one of the best . Apple Music has a great library and Spotify and pandora have the best algorithms . Tidal is decent and Qobuz sounds the best but the ui is terrible with no personal playlists or radio
Hmmm the one can talk about it …. But won’t. The other thinks its the software, not the different mastering 🤣 silly audio people.
Darko: "I'm not an engineer".
Well then you shouldn't be discussing technical aspects of sound then maybe? Not in an authoritative way.
please, good vibes XD
WTF is this all about what does it matter where and when and what service I stream how boring is this
1. TIDAL HiFi relies on FLAC which is Not uncompressed. Yes, Its lossless but its Not uncompressed.
2. In terms of hearing and the human brain. Digital is Not better than Analog and visa versa. Audio is Audio.
3. Streaming audio can affect its quality. Even when the audio being streamed is Hifi i.e. Tidal. Its the nature of the beast. No way around that.
4. Audio was made digital for storage and ease of access and latter copyrighting. NOT to improve quality.
5. If you use Tidal via an iphone, Windows computer, etc... you are wasting your money. The audio chips/software in them all resample/convert audio. That's the whole reason music players like bitperfect exist, too get around all that. You can't use that with Tidal though.
www.sonarworks.com/blog/learn/hd-music-streaming-can-you-actually-hear-the-difference/
www.blueaura.co.uk/blog/human-ear-prefer-analog-digital-sound/
xiph.org/flac/
bitperfectsound.blogspot.com/p/what-is-bitperfect.html
Nice job calling out that guys sexist "the wife test" comment
You see the problem here in audiophile? No female approves
The poster child for the Complete Lack of Ethics in Audio Reviews. Payola much Johnny?
11:58 what you are saying makes absolutely no sense: it's 1s and 0s, there's nothing to do with noise, nothing to do with interference.
If it's 1-1-1-1 it works, if it's 1-1-1-0 it doesn't, the system has an hiccup, or stops playing for a moment, or whatever.
If you think there are differences, measure the bits of 2 streams from 2 different streaming boxes: i garantee they will be the same.
Stop hiding behind "i'm not an engineer...i'm stating experience", if something it's true you can measure it, if not it's a placebo effect.
Disappointed in Mr. Darko streaming out of a phone. No wired Dac, no Astell & Kern. A phone!
Have you tried the phone? I own it and mixing the convenience with really truly good sound it's what I use away from home. No need to buy a dac, dap or amp.
Days of the Dap is over right now, just a matter of time that bluetooth cacth up the wired quality sound
Good vibes only? What's the point of this? John Darko is so arrogant.