Let's not throw unnecessary shade on our own countrymen...it's not his student. In fact, within one maybe two breakout seasons, Itkin is now beating all of his students handily and forcing his way onto a team he probably should've been on since last world championships. Greg is a legend, you probably need a few Olympic/Senior World medals before he is hugging you. His face said "Damn good job kid, keep going" to me & that's all it should be.
@@DonovanDeans now that you mention it Itkin should have been on the US team last year, didn't he do enough to get a spot on the team? I was surprised he didn't play in team events at worlds
@RandomThoughts thats fair although Itkin on team event has played anchor and they beat Italy, although I wonder come worlds and the Olympics if he will still be on the roster or if Watson will be switched in
The Italian was getting blown out early and suddenly he needs to change weapons... he needs medical attention... he twists his leg... Some things never change. All those breaks allowed him to control the opponent's momentum and, perhaps, clear his head a little.
@RandomThoughts Note that in my post I said "some things never change". This was commonplace during my international fencing career too... that's why I remarked on it.
Great match, although I gotta say the call at 11:38 totally mystifies me. It looks to me like Garozzo's parry riposte - is it called Itkin's because Garozzo's parry doesn't actually make blade contact?
I believe Garozzo did make contact with Itkin’s blade, however it seems to be a malpare. However, if I am wrong, and it did not make contact with his blade, I definitely agree with @Teriyako.
@@taylorwininger-sieve8043 It can't be a malparry because itkin hit him on the second try and if you listen carefully to the video, there is definitely a parry sound, so I have no idea what the ref thought about that point.
Just a question. When I fence a direct attack (no disengages, feints, etc.) almost never works. Why is it so common here in the extremely high levels? Edit- Point-in-line straight to the target, simultaneous, and/or check then straight attack.
A lot of the real high level technique here is the footwork, distance, timing, and speed of the attacks. There is also a reasonable amount of respect of technique between too high level fencers that just isn't there in an amateur bout. Some of the highest level fencing I've seen looks extremely clean and (ironically) basic compared to intermediate bouts at NACs and such.
timing > speed. EVERY TIME. Thats why straight attacks work. combine that with stellar footwork and you can destroy people with the basics. I.E Mepstead a few world cups ago.
breaking tempo(moving slow, slow , repeat, then suddenly fast variations on +forward or sudden slowdown/stop on moving backwards) and/or distance win and reaction/hands are too slow. IMHO(i am quite a newbie in fencing)
It depend when refere think attack begin. Many refere don't call attack on preparation because they call preparation as "attack" and give priority many fencing time before the real attack.
Yes. Being caught in preparation after you have fully taken ROW is a mistake that does not happen much at the highest level of competition, though. In this video there's a call or two where a direct attack was given priority over a preparation then attack off the line.
Je trouve qu'il y a trop de chichi, de ferraille et de bourrinage dans l'escrime moderne. C'est pas très beau à voir (et encore, ces deux là sont loin d'être les pires). Aux antipodes de ce que m'apprenait mon maître d'armes.
I really enjoy watching this young man topple all these giants and do it with class. Itkin is all business, time for USA to win Olympic gold.
*When any other member of the US team wins something*
Greg: *Cheers, gives a hug*
Itkin wins CIP
Greg: *little fist wave*
Let's not throw unnecessary shade on our own countrymen...it's not his student. In fact, within one maybe two breakout seasons, Itkin is now beating all of his students handily and forcing his way onto a team he probably should've been on since last world championships. Greg is a legend, you probably need a few Olympic/Senior World medals before he is hugging you. His face said "Damn good job kid, keep going" to me & that's all it should be.
@@DonovanDeans now that you mention it Itkin should have been on the US team last year, didn't he do enough to get a spot on the team? I was surprised he didn't play in team events at worlds
@RandomThoughts thats fair although Itkin on team event has played anchor and they beat Italy, although I wonder come worlds and the Olympics if he will still be on the roster or if Watson will be switched in
Excellents commentateurs! C'est la première fois que je les entendais. Quelqu'un sait qui ils sont?
Itkin est vraiment agréable a regardé.
Reste plus qu'à corriger l'arbitrage. ;)
The Italian was getting blown out early and suddenly he needs to change weapons... he needs medical attention... he twists his leg... Some things never change. All those breaks allowed him to control the opponent's momentum and, perhaps, clear his head a little.
@RandomThoughts Note that in my post I said "some things never change". This was commonplace during my international fencing career too... that's why I remarked on it.
Except that it didn't work
Not everything works 100%
@@flaze3
Great match, although I gotta say the call at 11:38 totally mystifies me. It looks to me like Garozzo's parry riposte - is it called Itkin's because Garozzo's parry doesn't actually make blade contact?
Garozzo search’s for the blade never hit itkin’s blade
I believe Garozzo did make contact with Itkin’s blade, however it seems to be a malpare. However, if I am wrong, and it did not make contact with his blade, I definitely agree with @Teriyako.
@@taylorwininger-sieve8043 It can't be a malparry because itkin hit him on the second try and if you listen carefully to the video, there is definitely a parry sound, so I have no idea what the ref thought about that point.
Just a question. When I fence a direct attack (no disengages, feints, etc.) almost never works. Why is it so common here in the extremely high levels?
Edit- Point-in-line straight to the target, simultaneous, and/or check then straight attack.
A lot of the real high level technique here is the footwork, distance, timing, and speed of the attacks. There is also a reasonable amount of respect of technique between too high level fencers that just isn't there in an amateur bout. Some of the highest level fencing I've seen looks extremely clean and (ironically) basic compared to intermediate bouts at NACs and such.
TheAssaultClass I see, thanks!
timing > speed. EVERY TIME. Thats why straight attacks work. combine that with stellar footwork and you can destroy people with the basics. I.E Mepstead a few world cups ago.
breaking tempo(moving slow, slow , repeat, then suddenly fast variations on +forward or sudden slowdown/stop on moving backwards) and/or distance win and reaction/hands are too slow. IMHO(i am quite a newbie in fencing)
@@byronbranch4645 and now Mepstead winning the NAC with excellent timing
Great sports cemmentators! Can anyone tell me their names?
Do they still call attack in preparation?
It depend when refere think attack begin. Many refere don't call attack on preparation because they call preparation as "attack" and give priority many fencing time before the real attack.
Yes. Being caught in preparation after you have fully taken ROW is a mistake that does not happen much at the highest level of competition, though. In this video there's a call or two where a direct attack was given priority over a preparation then attack off the line.
Yeah they do there just wasn’t any of that in this particular bout
Мне нечего делать я читаю коммы)
Seems like the italians have the most issues with the reffs, hate garozzos temper tantrums
You should see Chamley Watson...
Je trouve qu'il y a trop de chichi, de ferraille et de bourrinage dans l'escrime moderne. C'est pas très beau à voir (et encore, ces deux là sont loin d'être les pires). Aux antipodes de ce que m'apprenait mon maître d'armes.