I gave Eightsleep a serious thought when I was buying my new mattress. However, requiring a subscription for full functionality on a multi-thousand dollar mattress COVER was a deal breaker. Then you consider that most MATRESSES cost less than their COVER and you realize just how much fucking profit these guys are raking in. Sorry, not sorry.
@@preferredimage Yeah, I was out when I noticed that not only is a subscription required, it is per person. So a subscription for me and another subscription for my girlfriend!? Sorry, but this is just silly. Subscription for what!? To cover the costs of cloud infrastructure? Just make it all local! Phone app and mattress WiFi connected, no cloud and thus no subscription required, is how it should be. I am so completely and utterly out.
just imagine how much money they spend on advertising. They pay all the big youtubers to make videos about their product. Combined they have special ad videos on like 50M subs, and this only from the ones I am subbed to (MKBHD, Mrwhostheboss, JerryRig, Unbox Therapy... more?)
I wouldn't have a problem with the price if it weren't for the absolutely RIDICULOUS subscription. I'm surprised Zack agreed to support this company and advertise their product
Agreed 100%. This is an awesome product, but I'm not going to take the risk of the company making arbitrary decisions and changes to what I can and can't do with the product.
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if people could reverse engineer how their cloud works and do a local 'cloud' on home assistant. Similar to how local tuya works I refuse to use something that relies on a cloud.
I expected better from this channel. I go to the product website and see I'm required to buy a one-year 'membership'. A membership to use a bed?! Give me a break! Please, never again lead us down a path like this. You're better than this! I can't imagine the promoted company will be in business long term. Cool idea, but bad execution.
Why did you expect better from this channel? Have you seen the other sponsors? Also they've been in business for like 10 years I don't see them going anywhere.
Total AD BAIT!!! Nothing I hate worse than paying for CZcams Premium so I don't have to watch ads. Then have some money hungry CZcamsr put an ad in their Video!!!
You also forgot to include probably the most significant cost of all, their monthly subscription cost to unlock all of the features that you just mentioned in the video. Pretty shady if you ask me, especially from them sponsoring the episode. Sponsored deceit doesn't look very good.
This is super cool, I just wish it didn't require a subscription. I don't want to have to pay monthly for a good night sleep or have the chance of this all going away when the company decides to stop supporting it.
@@lhurley1989it kills me that we are all starting to just accept this stuff. You can buy a BMW with heated seats but if you want to actually use the heated seats you got to pay every month. Now our mattresses are subscription models? They are clearly doing a bait and switch where the pro version has features that you really want so you will end up paying every single month for the rest of your life.
@@Aristocrafiedthe regular allows you to set the temperature. That's it. Everything else is behind the subscription: sleep tracking, alarms, sleep state controlled temperature. Everything.
So a cover for a bed cost $2500 and I can't use said cover without a subscription? 8 sleep is pushing this product heavily with tech influencers (I imagine for free) but I doubt a ton of people would actually pay this much for a sleep cover.
I was thinking about where the data is processed and stored, since it needs a subscription its mostly processed and stored outside of the pod and I DON'T LIKE THAT and when I saw the app it reminded me of the fitbit app (part of google now) it has the same graphics and stuff.
man this company must be paying youtubers a lotttt of money to advertise their 'way too expensive for 95% of the population' product. The fact that there's a subscription is even more insane
Think about the return on investment when the covers are around $2,000 each. If just 100 of his millions of subscribers buy it They could pay him tens of thousands for this advertisement and make out like bandits. I'm kind of ashamed of him for promoting this knowing full well that is a subscription based mattress cover
Hopefully all the angry comments of people annoyed that he didn't even talk about the subscription will make him realize how much we value that kind of transparency
I completely agree with you and hope for that too. I rarely comment anything on CZcams but the huge lack of transparency and view opposite of his usual videos is concerning !
I mean he also advertised a security product that leaked all of your facial recognition photos on the web despite it apparently being "local" only. The video wasn't removed despite it happening in the same week as the promotion. Really everyone should distrust any and all advice coming from this channel and just enjoy the regular content if thats your thing.
@@chiragnegi6276 Yeah, I can agree with that. I wanted to get one despite the subscription, but when the company removed the API access and this way eliminate any meaningful home automation integration, I simply decided to not get one. Sometimes I feel that companies invest a lot of money to support an API just for the product price, but 8sleep charge a lot of money monthly, from that I think this should be doable
@@JaggSwag230 Because they want you to get used to the features that you'll lose if you drop it. It's a type of sales pitch instead of upselling you're basically "downselling". People typically have an idea of what they're looking for in a product, in this case it's a means to cool your mattress directly, which EightSleep does. BUT it'll also be able do all this neat biometric and automation so you don't have to manually. That could draw a lot of people in, and you just explain how it's just a little extra money a month or they can just get the Eight Sleep alone and they'll have to do everything manually. With the required 1 year sub as part of the price tag you'll have people cancel and then realize all the neat features are gone, but they already spent all this money so they may sign up again.
I'm sure there's a lot of money on offer from the company and I appreciate Zach's other videos enough to say he deserves to cash in on sponsor deals now and then. Still, he's been really good in the past when calling out companies like Apple and Samsung for their anti-consumer practices. I was really shocked that he didn't make any mention at all about the appalling subscription requirement and generally terrible business model. Again, no hate to him at all, but I expected better
I'm not going to lie after watching this I am going to be questioning every opinion he gives... I understand that he can afford it just fine but most of us are not able to buy a $2,000 mattress cover and pay every single month just to use it... That is shady and if their cloud goes down it turns into trash overnight
@@amil89 I do appreciate that he at the very least mentioned the price (even if he didn't mention the subscription), a lot of youtubers don't even mention how much money their products they advertise cost and it's the most annoying thing ever
It's an awesome. I would 100% buy one almost instantly. But the only more impressive thing than the bed is the fact that you have to subscribe to get realistically most of the features you'd want! I understand developers cost money but wow...
Remember when you used to buy something and you actually owned it? If their company shuts down in their cloud goes away your multi-thousand dollar bed cover could be useless. I can't believe people are starting to accept this from companies. Adobe, BMW, every smart home company
@@amil89 it's absolutely crazy! For the pleasure of me paying you money every month, I don't own my data, you probably sell it, I get increased delay on anything I want as it has to go over the cloud, also if you run out of money one day my bed no longer turns on haha. If you asked them, what happens if they die they'll probably just say, oh we're not going out of business...
I stopped watching this 3 mins in when I read about the subscription requirements in the comments - I'm not a fan of this pricing model unless there are free upgrades and maintenance - like gimme a new one every year, etc. Manufacturers - how about making things that can be upgraded every so often online but don't need a cloud service to run. Right to repair is a real thing we should all be fighting for!
8 sleep is fineee but for 3.5 k you shouldnt need a yearly subscription just too change the temp of the bed, the sleep tracking can be locked under a sub but the basic functions should be included in the overly expensive price
"A membership is required for the first 12 months, and covers two separate users per Pod." "($180/288 billed annually)" That's an additional 10% of the total cost. Not a huge deal, but some questions remain. What happens after the first 12 months if I don't want to continue paying $200-300? Will my 2 or 5 year warranty then get cancelled? Will I still be able to set the temperatures manually? I'm with Linus on hating subscriptions.
@@dajavaxLinus still criticised the subscription model and isn’t afraid to talk negatively on sponsor spots. Like with the ‘waterproof’ shoes that he always states that he disagrees with those claims as he says nothing is fully waterproof.
They say in their material if you choose to cancel the membership after a year you can still set the temperatures manually but you lose all the other functionality of the cover which is a crock of shit. If you purchase a product you should have access to all functions without having to pay for a subscription.
As if they're cloud will even be around in a couple years. These $2,000 mattress covers will be trash overnight. Even if you let them bleed you dry every month for their subscription up until that point
I considered getting this a while back, but I blacklisted it when I saw the mandatory subscription. After further research, I found the BedJet, a devise that blows cool or hot air under your blanket for $500. That's still too high for me, but it's better than what these people are asking. I eventually settled on propping up my duvet with a back pillow and blowing air directly into the bed with a $100 fan.
Had to rewatch the video to double check myself after checking out the website. Deeply disappointed the lack of mention of a subscription to use the product. Making the cost that much more, or a very expensive water bed cover.
I’m sure it costs a pretty penny to make one but for the price of one bed cover I could redo, refresh and outfit my entire room (not from U.S.) with enough cash to spare for a quality AC unit… and a tv to boot. As for the subscription, it’s a slap in the face, after a year you could buy an Apple Watch with the same sleep tracking functions and plenty more to boot. Every other control should just be folded into the heat pump which circulates water. I know an app can be convenient - I have a Chinese spy fan which I can rotate and adjust from my phone but it’s an option, I can still do everything by just clicking a button on the damn thing itself. Such a good idea, the execution is garbage.
oh, yeah, in the US, a lot of house renovation and AC's are dirt cheap. In other countries, the price for this is "reasonable" as everything's expensive, but in the US it's about 3 times overpriced.
I would seriously like as my body produces the same amount of heat as a critical-sized piece of plutonium, especially when sleeping…. But the subscription is an immediate now.
I'm super happy that China knows every detail of my face, and my voice, and every detail of my internet searches and history by using my phone. And now due to fancy technology they also know my exact sleep schedule, and heart rate. So great to know China is always looking out for me
Every single feature they say you loose without a membership, can be done locally on your phone while it's charging. They 110% don't do that in the app, because why loose a revenue source when they can extort the customer. On top of that the pricing is absolutely insane! Both for membership and the physical product.
That subscription amount is ridiculous for what it does, and $240 a year after you've just given them $2000+ (so 10% per year of the actual cost!) is just an insult.
I've had the pod 3 cover on top of a natural latex mattress I bought for a month. I'd say, if you're not an athlete, or if you don't have trouble falling asleep, you probably won't notice a big difference. I've always had trouble falling asleep, bordering on insomnia occasionally. According to my fitness band, the cover reduced my fall asleep time from 32 minutes avg (30-60 minutes min/max) to 22 minutes avg (21-25 minutes min/max). Even on days where I only sleep for 4 hours I feel much better, the whole-day feeling of "dread" isn't there anymore, it's just "regular tired" now. That being said, it's a great piece of tech and I wish it'll come down in price soon.
There's a million things you can do starting today to improve your sleep just as much if not more. Cold shower before bed (at least your face) gives about half the benefit I got from 8sleep. Monitoring/cutting caffeine is also very important - find out your caffeine half life absorption, you'll be surprised how much variability there is in the general population, it depends a lot on your genetics. I had both blood work & a genetic test done and I know that my half-life is about 8 hours, but it can depend on a lot of factors too, for example if I drink too much caffeine, the window is longer. Actually for some people, it can be the opposite, the more caffeine you drink, the quicker you metabolise it. As a general rule, cut any caffeine before 16:00. At worst 18:00, if you drink past 18:00 your sleep quality will be heavily impacted. Ideally aim for no caffeine after 12:00 or 14:00. Also wait at least an hour after waking up before taking caffeine, and get at least 30 minutes of sunlight or sunlight-equivalent before your first caffeine intake. Keeping dosage low is also important, remember it's caffeine half-life, so if you take too much it will affect your sleep/stress the same way even if you only take it at a reasonable hour. It will keep cortisol levels on a natural level. I thought I had anxiety issues so I went to the psychiatrist. Turns out I was just overdosing myself on caffeine every day! Generally you want to keep your caffeine intake at ~80mg if you take it daily. But if you're an athlete or you're trying to lose weight, you can take up to 300mg on a short-term basis. When you exercise, you lose caffeine a little faster through sweat + burning fat. All that being said, the thing that is great about 8sleep is that you're offloading changing your habits onto technology. You get to sleep better, even if you drank way too much coffee and totally ruined your sleep schedule. It's been amazing at upping my mood, and because I sleep better, I both have more time in the morning and overall it's been a big impact on my quality of life. I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's just a bit too expensive, it was too expensive even for me, had to get financing for it. But it'll pay off in my mental healthy. After all if I lose it, I'll have no income, and any income is better than no income.
Also, if you have sensory issues I'd advice against it. My girfriend tried it once and absolutely hated it. I solved it by putting a mattress topper on her half, but it's not ideal either way. And this with with the Pod cover 3, which supposedly has a "significantly improved feel" over the Pod 2. If that's "significantly improved", no wonder the Pod 2 had so many returns. I don't have nearly as many sensory issues as my girlfriend, I think I pretty much fall in the "normal" range albeit on a tail end of it (certain foams give me the ick, and I have the urge to wash my hands the instant they get greasy/dirty, but it's not like overbearing or something that takes much energy to ignore/overcome). Even for me it took 2 nights to get used to the feel of the "grid". I actually enjoy it now, but just FYI. That being said, they have a 30 day return window and from what I've read nobody had an issue returning it Oh yes and before I forget, there have been numerous reports of people getting leaks. Supposedly with the latest version of the Pod 3 they "solved" the issues, but who knows. I hope I never get a leak. The subscription thing is bullshit. The autopilot hasn't been 100% worth it for me yet, maybe it's placebo but on the nights that I tried it with the autopilot off, I felt like I slept better. If it weren't for the included 5 year warranty, as well as the fear of leaks, I would stop paying it.
I went ahead and purchased a Purple mattress shortly after your factory tour and quickly fell in love with it. Your video on those mattresses helped influence my decision since it addressed most of the things I valued in a mattress. I believe that someone else might have that sort of experience based off of this video... If it weren't for this mattress functions being proprietary and subscription tied. For something as expensive and influential to everyday life as a mattress, losing all of that if the company goes out of business is a major downside.
Yeah so i looked it up and it looks like all the features are membership only. You can heat/cool matress without a membership, but have to remember to turn it off manually. So it's a very expensive crappy heat/cool blanket if you find yourself not wanting to pay $20 a month. I wonder if Jerry knew?
I was actually starting to do some mental gymnastics to try to justify one day buying the mattress because sleep actually is a great investment, but a subscription service to use all the features, REALLY? Looks like companies are making it so you can’t truly own a product without continuously paying for it. The only upside is that I don’t care too much about all the fancy tracking stuff, controlling the temperature myself is fine since I just want to be comfortable when I sleep.
I was with you right up to the $2000 price tag mention..... its cool, i get it, they are using simple tech to sell a keen product but damn.... My bed and matress didnt cost that much.... in fact my last two beds and matresses didnt cost that much!
Zack had me completely sold before he even mentioned the price. I clicked the link to look at ordering... then I saw the subscription and thought "okay cool that's fine I guess, so where's the price?" And then I saw it.... For Australians, it's over $3500 for the queen. That's enormous.
I really was impressed and was about to give this a shot until i got to the 264quid yearly membership... My bike tracking sub is a third of this and offers far more functions And what happens when the servers go down??
Great video as always, Zach. I can't help but think of the billions of people around the world who sleep like a baby every night on a $100 bed (matress and cover included). This is a good example of a product for people with too much disposable income.
Just wait. Give it 10 years and no one will own anything. We will all be renting and working until we die, every single aspect of our life will be a subscription Capitalism is working as intended
Yeah why just sleep with the bed sheets when you can use up extra energy and have a blanket... I might cool down my house to 30 in summer to wear jumpers and heat up to 90 in winter to wear shorts while we're at it !
Would love to see the number of dislikes on this. Seems everyone is disappointed that you would support such a scummy company with a subscription requirement for a several thousand dollar product
Dumb question (and please, don't get this wrong): isn't the fact that your wife can't move her legs somehow tricking the system into thinking she's sleeping better? In the end, half of her body is in deep sleep the whole time. If that's the case, she's somehow cheating on your challenge 😜
I own the prior v2 version of this and have owned their products since it was a Kickstarter, and yes, am grandfathered re subscription. But it's a freaking amazing setup and I cannot imagine sleeping without it. Spouse has medical issues and so individual warming/cooling for each side has been amazing. The Kickstarter version was much cruder and had issues, I had a leak with V2 that we spotted early (it's not a lot of water) and a replacement came without argument and it's been flawless. It's allowed us to adjust house heating that saves money as bed is perfect when we go to bed. Don't use the alarms, don't need them. But I'm no doubt going to give V3 or whatever their latest version is a nod when it's time to upgrade. But sure, that's just me and I'm sure other options are better for others re cost and comfort. Just glad we have this available as it really does work great for us. YMMV.
I guess another channel became blinded by greed and corporate money. You are paying 2 thousand dollars for product and they expect me to pay 15 dollars a month to be able control what i own. Absolute joke. I guess they have zack and llt who I never expected to take money from greed corporations.
I've seen chinese smart bed and it had hundreeds of pressure meters and it adapted to peoples bodies with hundreeds of pistons. That was smart. This is just thermostat water mattress.
What is the longevity of the hardware? I had a competitor (Chilipad) and it lasted less than 2 years. Even if this lasted 5 yrs (which I doubt), that is an unreal amount of money to spend every 5 years.
Me seeing the thumbnail: “Please don’t be another eight sleep sponsorship, please don’t be another eight sleep sponsorship” *opens the video description* “Damn it”
Wait, so what level did the mattress scratch at? Seriously, the price does not seem unreasonable, it's really in line with what mattresses cost, but I have an issue with the subscription services. If I were to spend $2,000 on one of these, I don't expect to have to spend another $180 a year to keep it working. Or an extra $288 to keep it working and also have a 5 year warranty.
Also, according to eight sleep, the pod 3 does not require distilled water or hydrogen peroxide anymore because it ‘has an internal cleanser’. Not sure what they mean, but I started with Pod 1, then 2, and always use distilled and H2O2 on them and my new pod 3.
I gave Eightsleep a serious thought when I was buying my new mattress. However, requiring a subscription for full functionality on a multi-thousand dollar mattress COVER was a deal breaker. Then you consider that most MATRESSES cost less than their COVER and you realize just how much fucking profit these guys are raking in. Sorry, not sorry.
subscription?! damn I'm out hard!
@@preferredimage Yeah, I was out when I noticed that not only is a subscription required, it is per person. So a subscription for me and another subscription for my girlfriend!?
Sorry, but this is just silly. Subscription for what!? To cover the costs of cloud infrastructure? Just make it all local! Phone app and mattress WiFi connected, no cloud and thus no subscription required, is how it should be.
I am so completely and utterly out.
yeah the initial and ongoing cost on this is insane lmao. even if i wanted to buy it, that is out of reach
Incredible how he said nothing of all this in the video.
just imagine how much money they spend on advertising. They pay all the big youtubers to make videos about their product. Combined they have special ad videos on like 50M subs, and this only from the ones I am subbed to (MKBHD, Mrwhostheboss, JerryRig, Unbox Therapy... more?)
I wouldn't have a problem with the price if it weren't for the absolutely RIDICULOUS subscription. I'm surprised Zack agreed to support this company and advertise their product
maybe he got the no subscription on the app custom since he advertise so he might not know?
Wait, I need a subscription to sleep on the bed I just bought?!
Cover. It's not a bed.
@@WAVY.Y Nope. You need a sucscription to sleep in the bed you have already been sleeping in xD
This company is supporting Zach and meanwhile we can just watch this for the tech, we don't have to buy/use it.
As soon as someone sells something like this without required cloud access so I can use it in homeassistant and without subscriptions I'll buy one
Agreed 100%. This is an awesome product, but I'm not going to take the risk of the company making arbitrary decisions and changes to what I can and can't do with the product.
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if people could reverse engineer how their cloud works and do a local 'cloud' on home assistant. Similar to how local tuya works
I refuse to use something that relies on a cloud.
for the bed wake up at least with this tear down should be pretty easy to build your own, few vibration motors on a esp32 powered relay
I'm absolutely with you here. Waiting for this exact thing.
100% with you on that
I expected better from this channel. I go to the product website and see I'm required to buy a one-year 'membership'. A membership to use a bed?! Give me a break! Please, never again lead us down a path like this. You're better than this!
I can't imagine the promoted company will be in business long term. Cool idea, but bad execution.
Amen
This channel is like most AD BAIT!!!!!
Why did you expect better from this channel? Have you seen the other sponsors? Also they've been in business for like 10 years I don't see them going anywhere.
Total AD BAIT!!! Nothing I hate worse than paying for CZcams Premium so I don't have to watch ads. Then have some money hungry CZcamsr put an ad in their Video!!!
I bought it and returned it. Horrible product. I was shocked when I saw this video.
You also forgot to include probably the most significant cost of all, their monthly subscription cost to unlock all of the features that you just mentioned in the video. Pretty shady if you ask me, especially from them sponsoring the episode. Sponsored deceit doesn't look very good.
I'm ashamed of him for making this advertisement video.
He knows it's a subscription bed cover based on a cloud that can disappear in a year
This is super cool, I just wish it didn't require a subscription. I don't want to have to pay monthly for a good night sleep or have the chance of this all going away when the company decides to stop supporting it.
Subscription services for a MATTRESS COVER can eat dirt. Absolutely terrible business practice for the consumer.
I have the bed and it doesn't require a sub. Pro version does though.
@@lhurley1989what does pro do over regular?
@@lhurley1989it kills me that we are all starting to just accept this stuff. You can buy a BMW with heated seats but if you want to actually use the heated seats you got to pay every month.
Now our mattresses are subscription models?
They are clearly doing a bait and switch where the pro version has features that you really want so you will end up paying every single month for the rest of your life.
@@Aristocrafiedthe regular allows you to set the temperature. That's it. Everything else is behind the subscription: sleep tracking, alarms, sleep state controlled temperature. Everything.
The bed looks reasonably simple, hopefully someone will make something similar that doesn't require a subscription.
Chinese will sell that in like 200 $😂
So a cover for a bed cost $2500 and I can't use said cover without a subscription? 8 sleep is pushing this product heavily with tech influencers (I imagine for free) but I doubt a ton of people would actually pay this much for a sleep cover.
Couldn't agree more
A cover is $1000 more than my actual bed. Yeah, no thanks.
I was thinking about where the data is processed and stored, since it needs a subscription its mostly processed and stored outside of the pod and I DON'T LIKE THAT and when I saw the app it reminded me of the fitbit app (part of google now) it has the same graphics and stuff.
Yeah for $2500 I'm pretty happy to just stick a leg out.
Right? At $15-$20 per month, I can run my mini-split system for less. I'll just stick to cooling the whole room.
It's one of the most expensive mattresses ever made AND requires a subscription. I am shocked that Zach supports such audacity
It's not even the mattress but literally just mattress cover
@@tanishqk973 that's even worse
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You only need the subscription for a year cause it needs to develop your sleeping habits. Not bad imho
what the fuck is the subscription even for?
man this company must be paying youtubers a lotttt of money to advertise their 'way too expensive for 95% of the population' product. The fact that there's a subscription is even more insane
Think about the return on investment when the covers are around $2,000 each.
If just 100 of his millions of subscribers buy it They could pay him tens of thousands for this advertisement and make out like bandits.
I'm kind of ashamed of him for promoting this knowing full well that is a subscription based mattress cover
lol fr, this is insane
Hopefully all the angry comments of people annoyed that he didn't even talk about the subscription will make him realize how much we value that kind of transparency
I completely agree with you and hope for that too.
I rarely comment anything on CZcams but the huge lack of transparency and view opposite of his usual videos is concerning !
I mean he also advertised a security product that leaked all of your facial recognition photos on the web despite it apparently being "local" only. The video wasn't removed despite it happening in the same week as the promotion. Really everyone should distrust any and all advice coming from this channel and just enjoy the regular content if thats your thing.
The silence from Zack is amazing at this point. Hope that he talks about it.
@@jonasplima he knows he's slightly goofed it
No he got a free bed cover out of this deal. I understand. He will probably delete this video.
Just another subscription required bed cover, I can pass on it :D (Also 8sleep removed external API access, that is a shame)
I mean the mattress is definitely excellent but the subscription is really pushing the limit.
Especially since they allow you to cancel after 1 year, why not just make it not required at all? Or give customers a trial period or something
@@chiragnegi6276 Yeah, I can agree with that. I wanted to get one despite the subscription, but when the company removed the API access and this way eliminate any meaningful home automation integration, I simply decided to not get one. Sometimes I feel that companies invest a lot of money to support an API just for the product price, but 8sleep charge a lot of money monthly, from that I think this should be doable
@@JaggSwag230 Because they want you to get used to the features that you'll lose if you drop it. It's a type of sales pitch instead of upselling you're basically "downselling". People typically have an idea of what they're looking for in a product, in this case it's a means to cool your mattress directly, which EightSleep does. BUT it'll also be able do all this neat biometric and automation so you don't have to manually. That could draw a lot of people in, and you just explain how it's just a little extra money a month or they can just get the Eight Sleep alone and they'll have to do everything manually.
With the required 1 year sub as part of the price tag you'll have people cancel and then realize all the neat features are gone, but they already spent all this money so they may sign up again.
I'm sure there's a lot of money on offer from the company and I appreciate Zach's other videos enough to say he deserves to cash in on sponsor deals now and then.
Still, he's been really good in the past when calling out companies like Apple and Samsung for their anti-consumer practices. I was really shocked that he didn't make any mention at all about the appalling subscription requirement and generally terrible business model. Again, no hate to him at all, but I expected better
I'm not going to lie after watching this I am going to be questioning every opinion he gives...
I understand that he can afford it just fine but most of us are not able to buy a $2,000 mattress cover and pay every single month just to use it...
That is shady and if their cloud goes down it turns into trash overnight
Everyone will sell themselves out for money, just a different price tag for each person
@@amil89 I do appreciate that he at the very least mentioned the price (even if he didn't mention the subscription), a lot of youtubers don't even mention how much money their products they advertise cost and it's the most annoying thing ever
Money buys everything, including someone's integrity.
@@SwordQuake2it happens 2 the best of us
It's an awesome. I would 100% buy one almost instantly. But the only more impressive thing than the bed is the fact that you have to subscribe to get realistically most of the features you'd want! I understand developers cost money but wow...
Remember when you used to buy something and you actually owned it?
If their company shuts down in their cloud goes away your multi-thousand dollar bed cover could be useless.
I can't believe people are starting to accept this from companies. Adobe, BMW, every smart home company
@@amil89 it's absolutely crazy!
For the pleasure of me paying you money every month, I don't own my data, you probably sell it, I get increased delay on anything I want as it has to go over the cloud, also if you run out of money one day my bed no longer turns on haha.
If you asked them, what happens if they die they'll probably just say, oh we're not going out of business...
I stopped watching this 3 mins in when I read about the subscription requirements in the comments - I'm not a fan of this pricing model unless there are free upgrades and maintenance - like gimme a new one every year, etc. Manufacturers - how about making things that can be upgraded every so often online but don't need a cloud service to run. Right to repair is a real thing we should all be fighting for!
8 sleep is fineee but for 3.5 k you shouldnt need a yearly subscription just too change the temp of the bed, the sleep tracking can be locked under a sub but the basic functions should be included in the overly expensive price
That’s exactly what thinking too, if it was less than 1k sure but like 3k plus $20 a month is a joke
I think subscriptions make only sense in specific circumstances, but nowadays EVERYTHING is a subscription
if u have issues sleeping u dont need a subscription or a smart bed , u need more exercise and a better diet
Nah bro the app should be free of charge and not cloud-based at all
Someone could sue them lol
$2300 and $24 a month subscription. Jerry is moving to the dark side.
Como é amigo🤨 tá achando que tô liso é? vou leva 10 e a sua mulher junto 😁
Christ, the last thing anyone needs is a subscription based mattress cover.
"A membership is required for the first 12 months, and covers two separate users per Pod." "($180/288 billed annually)"
That's an additional 10% of the total cost. Not a huge deal, but some questions remain. What happens after the first 12 months if I don't want to continue paying $200-300? Will my 2 or 5 year warranty then get cancelled? Will I still be able to set the temperatures manually?
I'm with Linus on hating subscriptions.
then again, Linus was also sponsored by them and he didn't doubt it
@@dajavaxLinus still criticised the subscription model and isn’t afraid to talk negatively on sponsor spots. Like with the ‘waterproof’ shoes that he always states that he disagrees with those claims as he says nothing is fully waterproof.
They say in their material if you choose to cancel the membership after a year you can still set the temperatures manually but you lose all the other functionality of the cover which is a crock of shit. If you purchase a product you should have access to all functions without having to pay for a subscription.
👵: Honey, I'm cold.
👴: We can't afford the bed bill this month.
As if they're cloud will even be around in a couple years.
These $2,000 mattress covers will be trash overnight. Even if you let them bleed you dry every month for their subscription up until that point
Como é amigo 🤨 tá achando que eu tô liso é? Eu posso compra a fábrica dessa buldega 🤡
Imagine dreaming at level 6 with deeper meditation at level 7
I considered getting this a while back, but I blacklisted it when I saw the mandatory subscription. After further research, I found the BedJet, a devise that blows cool or hot air under your blanket for $500. That's still too high for me, but it's better than what these people are asking.
I eventually settled on propping up my duvet with a back pillow and blowing air directly into the bed with a $100 fan.
Need a photo of this contraption 😂
@@Ruslan-S bahahahah same here 🤣
imagine having to get subscription to a mattress cover lol
Subscription to use your own bed sounds dystopian
These techbro startups are getting out of hand
what amazed me the most is the fact that you didnt said about the Membership you have to pay each month witch is mandatory
Who thinks Jerry can play a convincing bad guy in a movie.
More like Agent 47 playing with the target
Irl Lex Luther
Hitman for sure
Who's Jerry? His name is Zack lol
I could see him being a family guy by day and a murderer by night.
Had to rewatch the video to double check myself after checking out the website. Deeply disappointed the lack of mention of a subscription to use the product. Making the cost that much more, or a very expensive water bed cover.
I’m sure it costs a pretty penny to make one but for the price of one bed cover I could redo, refresh and outfit my entire room (not from U.S.) with enough cash to spare for a quality AC unit… and a tv to boot. As for the subscription, it’s a slap in the face, after a year you could buy an Apple Watch with the same sleep tracking functions and plenty more to boot. Every other control should just be folded into the heat pump which circulates water. I know an app can be convenient - I have a Chinese spy fan which I can rotate and adjust from my phone but it’s an option, I can still do everything by just clicking a button on the damn thing itself. Such a good idea, the execution is garbage.
oh, yeah, in the US, a lot of house renovation and AC's are dirt cheap. In other countries, the price for this is "reasonable" as everything's expensive, but in the US it's about 3 times overpriced.
The subscription is really pushing it zack for something this expensive
I will stick to my memory foam mattress,and if I am cold just add more blankets.
I would seriously like as my body produces the same amount of heat as a critical-sized piece of plutonium, especially when sleeping….
But the subscription is an immediate now.
Really brave of them sending it to Zack 💀💀
I'm super happy that China knows every detail of my face, and my voice, and every detail of my internet searches and history by using my phone. And now due to fancy technology they also know my exact sleep schedule, and heart rate. So great to know China is always looking out for me
Why does hardware that you buy require a subscription? That's complete bull. YOU OWN THE PRODUCT.
this thing is pretty neat but i cant get behind needing a subscription for the software
We need a durability test 😅
Every single feature they say you loose without a membership, can be done locally on your phone while it's charging. They 110% don't do that in the app, because why loose a revenue source when they can extort the customer. On top of that the pricing is absolutely insane! Both for membership and the physical product.
gotta pay for all these youtube sponsorships somehow ig
O choro é livre baby 😶
That subscription amount is ridiculous for what it does, and $240 a year after you've just given them $2000+ (so 10% per year of the actual cost!) is just an insult.
Exactly! Zack shouldn't support a predatory company like this!
If it would work with home assistance and no subscription (just local control)i would of bought
2k dollars and here in latin América a single "cheap" one costs 1.5k dollars 😂 thank you Jerry for the video ❤
I've heard of liquid warming a bed, but that's usually accidental.
Zack failed to mention the ridiculous subscription that’s forced on the customer. Companies are nickel and dimeing everything they can now.
I've had the pod 3 cover on top of a natural latex mattress I bought for a month. I'd say, if you're not an athlete, or if you don't have trouble falling asleep, you probably won't notice a big difference. I've always had trouble falling asleep, bordering on insomnia occasionally. According to my fitness band, the cover reduced my fall asleep time from 32 minutes avg (30-60 minutes min/max) to 22 minutes avg (21-25 minutes min/max). Even on days where I only sleep for 4 hours I feel much better, the whole-day feeling of "dread" isn't there anymore, it's just "regular tired" now. That being said, it's a great piece of tech and I wish it'll come down in price soon.
There's a million things you can do starting today to improve your sleep just as much if not more. Cold shower before bed (at least your face) gives about half the benefit I got from 8sleep. Monitoring/cutting caffeine is also very important - find out your caffeine half life absorption, you'll be surprised how much variability there is in the general population, it depends a lot on your genetics. I had both blood work & a genetic test done and I know that my half-life is about 8 hours, but it can depend on a lot of factors too, for example if I drink too much caffeine, the window is longer. Actually for some people, it can be the opposite, the more caffeine you drink, the quicker you metabolise it. As a general rule, cut any caffeine before 16:00. At worst 18:00, if you drink past 18:00 your sleep quality will be heavily impacted. Ideally aim for no caffeine after 12:00 or 14:00. Also wait at least an hour after waking up before taking caffeine, and get at least 30 minutes of sunlight or sunlight-equivalent before your first caffeine intake. Keeping dosage low is also important, remember it's caffeine half-life, so if you take too much it will affect your sleep/stress the same way even if you only take it at a reasonable hour. It will keep cortisol levels on a natural level. I thought I had anxiety issues so I went to the psychiatrist. Turns out I was just overdosing myself on caffeine every day! Generally you want to keep your caffeine intake at ~80mg if you take it daily. But if you're an athlete or you're trying to lose weight, you can take up to 300mg on a short-term basis. When you exercise, you lose caffeine a little faster through sweat + burning fat.
All that being said, the thing that is great about 8sleep is that you're offloading changing your habits onto technology. You get to sleep better, even if you drank way too much coffee and totally ruined your sleep schedule. It's been amazing at upping my mood, and because I sleep better, I both have more time in the morning and overall it's been a big impact on my quality of life. I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's just a bit too expensive, it was too expensive even for me, had to get financing for it. But it'll pay off in my mental healthy. After all if I lose it, I'll have no income, and any income is better than no income.
Also, if you have sensory issues I'd advice against it. My girfriend tried it once and absolutely hated it. I solved it by putting a mattress topper on her half, but it's not ideal either way. And this with with the Pod cover 3, which supposedly has a "significantly improved feel" over the Pod 2. If that's "significantly improved", no wonder the Pod 2 had so many returns. I don't have nearly as many sensory issues as my girlfriend, I think I pretty much fall in the "normal" range albeit on a tail end of it (certain foams give me the ick, and I have the urge to wash my hands the instant they get greasy/dirty, but it's not like overbearing or something that takes much energy to ignore/overcome). Even for me it took 2 nights to get used to the feel of the "grid". I actually enjoy it now, but just FYI. That being said, they have a 30 day return window and from what I've read nobody had an issue returning it
Oh yes and before I forget, there have been numerous reports of people getting leaks. Supposedly with the latest version of the Pod 3 they "solved" the issues, but who knows. I hope I never get a leak. The subscription thing is bullshit. The autopilot hasn't been 100% worth it for me yet, maybe it's placebo but on the nights that I tried it with the autopilot off, I felt like I slept better. If it weren't for the included 5 year warranty, as well as the fear of leaks, I would stop paying it.
Can’t believe mattresses have subscriptions now 😂😂😂😂 what a world.
"we're gonna have to take that apart in a second" lol I would expect anything less 😅
I went ahead and purchased a Purple mattress shortly after your factory tour and quickly fell in love with it. Your video on those mattresses helped influence my decision since it addressed most of the things I valued in a mattress.
I believe that someone else might have that sort of experience based off of this video... If it weren't for this mattress functions being proprietary and subscription tied. For something as expensive and influential to everyday life as a mattress, losing all of that if the company goes out of business is a major downside.
There's just nothing Zack doesn't rip apart 😅
I have a mattress topper that is liquid heated. Cost less than $200 and absolutely love it.
I'm gunna need a name there please
@@aaron101889 it is called neat aquapad. I bought it off Amazon as a lightning deal.
@@aaron101889right don't hide that shit lmao
When you care more about money that covering tech
My 60 dollar heated blanket will have to do because there's no scenario I would pay that much for this thing
Another subscription model product! Yea, this is a hard pass
Thanks for sharing
I dont want my bed talking to the internet 😂
Lost me on the membership button to use this thing. I'm not paying monthly to use a bed - this is the next notch for a dystopian future lol
Yeah so i looked it up and it looks like all the features are membership only. You can heat/cool matress without a membership, but have to remember to turn it off manually. So it's a very expensive crappy heat/cool blanket if you find yourself not wanting to pay $20 a month. I wonder if Jerry knew?
$180-280 annual subscription to use a mattress cover?? you're kidding.
I was actually starting to do some mental gymnastics to try to justify one day buying the mattress because sleep actually is a great investment, but a subscription service to use all the features, REALLY? Looks like companies are making it so you can’t truly own a product without continuously paying for it.
The only upside is that I don’t care too much about all the fancy tracking stuff, controlling the temperature myself is fine since I just want to be comfortable when I sleep.
I was with you right up to the $2000 price tag mention..... its cool, i get it, they are using simple tech to sell a keen product but damn.... My bed and matress didnt cost that much.... in fact my last two beds and matresses didnt cost that much!
$180 yearly subscription, too
Zack had me completely sold before he even mentioned the price. I clicked the link to look at ordering... then I saw the subscription and thought "okay cool that's fine I guess, so where's the price?" And then I saw it....
For Australians, it's over $3500 for the queen. That's enormous.
Him: temperatures between 55 and 110 degrees.
Everyone else outside the US: 😮
❤
I really was impressed and was about to give this a shot until i got to the 264quid yearly membership...
My bike tracking sub is a third of this and offers far more functions
And what happens when the servers go down??
As someone who works night shifts and goes to school during the day
The couch will do for now
Seems tempting but Idk if I actually want it or need it
Great video as always, Zach. I can't help but think of the billions of people around the world who sleep like a baby every night on a $100 bed (matress and cover included). This is a good example of a product for people with too much disposable income.
It's called the stupid tax.
Yes this is an expensive thing. For people with lots of money. But it looks like something that can make your life better. It is useful
Where do you buy $100 bed from?
Yes indeed,@@iamaduckquack. That's what it is. I can hear Dave Ramsey's voice say that.
No doubt it's useful,@@MiguelY22. A Bugatti is also useful. But people can also move from A to B in a cheap Toyota, albeit slower than in the Bugatti.
the fact that the radiator uses a noctua fan makes it 1000x better
"Sleeps at level 6, with deeper snooze at level 7" 😊😊 * a sleep test *
with all the electrical pieces out of curiosity, does this have any chance of lighting on fire?
Zoinks. A membership to sleep....
Way out of this disabled guys SSDI budget.
On top of being 3k just to get in the first place…
@@Joel-cj2cz I used to be able to sleep absolutely anywhere, anytime... now I just can't sl5
That's cool and all. But the matters REQUIRES a monthly subscription fee to work. So no thank you.
bro forgot to mention to have to sell 40% of your soul annually in the subscription, the rest is paid up front with the huge price
At the price it should have a 90 day trial period. 30 days isn't long enough to tell if it's making a real difference, or if its plecebo effect
You know how to cool the bed down? Idk, open a window??
the fact everything has to be technological these days just piss me off.
10 years ago I never thought we would never get stuff like this, but here we are.
Just wait. Give it 10 years and no one will own anything. We will all be renting and working until we die, every single aspect of our life will be a subscription
Capitalism is working as intended
paying thousands for the product then paying a subscription model to actually use it...I have to be crazy to do this.
That’s awesome tech bed thumb i think need that
Definitely need this for my pregnant wife!!
Hope yours is doing well too!
The amazing part about this bed is the fact that you can sleep during summer using a blanket without sweating .
The amazing part is you need to pay every month for it to work.
Yeah why just sleep with the bed sheets when you can use up extra energy and have a blanket...
I might cool down my house to 30 in summer to wear jumpers and heat up to 90 in winter to wear shorts while we're at it !
This is what Matt Rife needs. I wonder why nobody has recommended this to him.
It’s grossly overpriced?
I literally flinched when Jerry poured that water onto the camera 🤣
Would love to see the number of dislikes on this. Seems everyone is disappointed that you would support such a scummy company with a subscription requirement for a several thousand dollar product
Dumb question (and please, don't get this wrong): isn't the fact that your wife can't move her legs somehow tricking the system into thinking she's sleeping better? In the end, half of her body is in deep sleep the whole time.
If that's the case, she's somehow cheating on your challenge 😜
They make you pay a subscription just to sleep at night. Life is just one big monthly subscription.
Wow never thought I’d see a video abt a bed from u
I own the prior v2 version of this and have owned their products since it was a Kickstarter, and yes, am grandfathered re subscription. But it's a freaking amazing setup and I cannot imagine sleeping without it. Spouse has medical issues and so individual warming/cooling for each side has been amazing. The Kickstarter version was much cruder and had issues, I had a leak with V2 that we spotted early (it's not a lot of water) and a replacement came without argument and it's been flawless. It's allowed us to adjust house heating that saves money as bed is perfect when we go to bed. Don't use the alarms, don't need them. But I'm no doubt going to give V3 or whatever their latest version is a nod when it's time to upgrade. But sure, that's just me and I'm sure other options are better for others re cost and comfort. Just glad we have this available as it really does work great for us. YMMV.
I guess another channel became blinded by greed and corporate money. You are paying 2 thousand dollars for product and they expect me to pay 15 dollars a month to be able control what i own.
Absolute joke.
I guess they have zack and llt who I never expected to take money from greed corporations.
Subscriptions for something like this is a deal breaker. I don't care about the data. I just want temps and a bed.
Cant wait in a few years they discontinue the bed subscription so you are forced to buy a new one to fully use it
I've seen chinese smart bed and it had hundreeds of pressure meters and it adapted to peoples bodies with hundreeds of pistons. That was smart. This is just thermostat water mattress.
One crucial review test was omitted.
Magnetic field radiation testing, from the cover as well as from the device.
I wonder what else the manufacturer is doing with all your sleep data
What is the longevity of the hardware? I had a competitor (Chilipad) and it lasted less than 2 years. Even if this lasted 5 yrs (which I doubt), that is an unreal amount of money to spend every 5 years.
Me seeing the thumbnail: “Please don’t be another eight sleep sponsorship, please don’t be another eight sleep sponsorship”
*opens the video description* “Damn it”
For a product that is this expensive it ist just bananas that you have to pay additional 20€ a month for a mandatory subscription. Like WTF
imagine requiring a subscription to use a mattress cover
(one that just happens to be stupidly expensive too)
A mattress cover that requires a subscription AHAHAHAH
You forgot to mention the monthly subscription fee
Wait, so what level did the mattress scratch at?
Seriously, the price does not seem unreasonable, it's really in line with what mattresses cost, but I have an issue with the subscription services. If I were to spend $2,000 on one of these, I don't expect to have to spend another $180 a year to keep it working. Or an extra $288 to keep it working and also have a 5 year warranty.
Also, according to eight sleep, the pod 3 does not require distilled water or hydrogen peroxide anymore because it ‘has an internal cleanser’. Not sure what they mean, but I started with Pod 1, then 2, and always use distilled and H2O2 on them and my new pod 3.
It ill be cool if dbrand made jerry a teardown bedsheet for the matress
I don’t know why this video recommends my channel so actively, but I absolutely love the guy and kinda honored 😅