Ford Mustang 1964 1/2 explained | STOP buying fakes
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- Why people call the first batch of the Ford Mustang 1964 1/2?
In this video you find the story behind the "half", used as a term for the first production batch of the iconic Mustang.
Be sure to check out my other videos that explain how to identify a real 1964 1/2 by its unique characteristics.
00:00 Intro
2:02 Overview
2:59 Production date codes
4:00 Body panel numbers
4:45 Production number range
6:14 VIN Location
6:52 Engines
9:25 Colors
10:17 Summary
11:03 Closing words
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My first car was a 1967 Mustang Coupe at 14 years old. (My dad was awesome) Took a year or so to fix it up but been a Mustang guy ever since! 40+ years now. This is one of the BEST quick videos I've seen. I love your graphical break-outs. I would LOVE to see more from you on all the years and the differences during and between those years. Great job!
What a lovely compliment and even more meaningful from a Mustang guy like you. Thank you very much, glad you liked it.
This legendary pony car has it all fame, class, style and a place in the automotive history. Thank you for the background and detailed explanation.
Glad you enjoyed it
Mustang are forever.
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I've always wondered about that thanks
done with pleasure 😀
Sadly you can’t get a Marti report for pre-1967 Mustangs.
Therefore video and especially summary on 10:18 very helpful. Thank you for compiling all these facts.
How true - no Marti reports for model years 1965 & 1966. Glad you liked it 😊
fantastic one page summary on 10:19 and true closings 👍
Thank you 😀
My uncle bought the first 1964 1/2 Mustang that came to Houston TX. It was black with red interior.
What a good taste and style your uncle had back at these times. Does the car still belongs to your family?
The original Mustang was a beautiful car. It makes me sick to see what it later became. Especially 1979 and later.
The good old days, how true, I totally agree.
True !
1974 through 1977 were even worse...
@@bking12762 I owned a 1976 mustang II.
The mustang two was a great little car and is credited with saving the Mustang “brand“.
It was lightweight, nimble, and fun to drive.
I wish they had simply called it a Mustang so that it would not have been thrown on the ash heap of history.
Finally an overview. Thanks 😀. The "Half" explained in a sympathetic voice and manner. It will for sure help to protect the real survivors and collectors how are looking around for first Mustangs.There are so many fake 1964 1/2 out there. Very useful explanations, good job.
Thank you very much for your nice feedback. I really enjoyed it.
In La Junta, Colorado on one Saturday evening in July, 1964 I was hanging around a friend's house with several other college age guys. Suddenly Janice, the daughter of the woman who owned the town's Ford dealership, drove up in a car she wanted to show us: the first Mustang available in Southeastern Colorado. Wow! We'd heard about this car and now here it was, an orange convertible with black vinyl interior. We all wanted to drive it, but she had promised her mother not to let us and only gave each of us a short ride...with the top down, of course. She said it was a '64 1/2 model, had come into the dealership only a few hours before. Naturally, none of us knew at the time that was not an accurate designation but it wouldn't have mattered to me if we had known. I got to be a small part of automotive history.
What a beautiful description of old memories. Thank you for the beautifully formulated text and your contribution.
Very helpful video
My pleasure
Nice job showing telling,I owned a 1964 and a half, I had it in 1975 to 1978. It was nice it had a 260v8 in it Then went in to the ARMY . Well thanks again for showing telling loved it see ya next time see ya bye.
Of course and with great pleasure, thank you for your feedback.
Great job my dear 👍♥️
It was a pleasure and I enjoyed doing it. Thanks for your kind comment.
One of my favorite cars.
Don't have time to watch this whole video, but the reason for the use of "64 1/2" when Ford introduced, promoted, and sold the car as a 65, is because the so-called 64 1/2 was VERY different from the "real" 65 - charging system, (generator instead of alternator), engines, (both state of tune, size in some, and the crankcase), bell housing, steering wheel, horn ring, gas cap, radiator bulkhead, horns, hood, headlight doors, front fenders, fender emblems, exhaust system, window fuzzies, interior lock buttons, lack of adjustable passenger seat, finish on the floor boards, and probably more that I don't know about. It is almost a completely different car, despite near identical appearance.
I absolutely agree. Many thanks for your valuable information and your additions.
The "bottom" 2 engines changed: 170 CID inline 6 replaced with the new 200 CID inline 6, and the 260 2bbl V8 replaced with the 289 2bbl V8. The "top" engine options, 289 4bbl V8 and 289 "HiPo" V8 engines didn't change.
@@jeffbranch8072 The Hi Po didn't, but the regular 289 4 barrel did. For 64 1/2, it was the same engine as the 2 barrel, except for the carb and intake, and came in a standard version and a high compression version. For 1965, the 289 4 barrel had a hotter cam and only came with high compression.
Restored Mustangs for 15 years here are parts that are different some you can change others you can't. Curved edges of hood point down and the gille below it is slanted. The core support has more vents and the hood rubber support have the rubber adjustment bolt exposed. Don’t think any of them had alternators yet and yes they made fastbacks in August but not allowed to sell till Sept. Radio startes with a 6 and vent handel has an A on it. Cheers
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Very true, thank you for your comment and additional information.
Also, I believe the 64 1/2 Mustangs did not have reverse lights. The 65 did.
No mention of early cars having a generator instead of a alternator.
This video shows how to quickly identify cars from outside. I did a separate video about the engines.
But of course you’re right. 1964 1/2 cars all have generator’s. Thank you for your comment.
It shows characteristics from OUTSIDE only. The generator is inside the engine compartment. 😅
But of course you are basically right.
Whenever I mentioned I had a 65 Mustang with a 4-speed in a V8 people say that you wish you still had that one you should not have sold it? I reply I did not sell it it was stolen in 1984.
That's painful to hear. Wish you all the best and thank you for your comment.
Excellent video !!!!!!
Thanks I appreciate your feedback
I had a 1964 1/2 in my youth and didn't realize what I had. A coupe with 260 V8. I acquired another coupe with 260 V8 built May 27, 1964 and code J Rangoon Red. So this color was also available on early mustangs.
Sometimes many years pass before you realize what you once had. But as I understand, now you have again a 260 (very rare) with the correct build date. Congratulations, enjoy and thank you for your comment.
In April of 1964 my mother bought my dad a Green Mustang with a 260V8 - He replaced it with a 1967 Shelby 350 - both cars turned heads when they went by
I believe that, certainly one of the best cars at this time. Great woman, your mother 🎁
@@1964FordMustang Thank you
it's because it came out at mid year 1964 first shown at the New York World's fair on April 17th 1964. the original sticker price was $2,368 . the Mustang is the best selling sports car in history selling over 9.9 million units over its 59 year history and in the next few years will pass 10 million while the best selling car currently in production is a humble midsize Japanese sedan called the Toyota Camry which will pass 14 million units sold in the US in the next 2 years so far this year its sold roughly 150,000 in the US and we're not even through the 2nd quarter yet 2 two classic Toyota Sports Cars are possibly being revived as electric cars those being the MR2 Spyder and the Celica when Celica was discontinued in 2006 it had been sold for 35 years and sold about 2,000,000 units in the US in that time where as the Toyota Camry sold 12,749,000 units in the same time period from 1983-2018 and averages around 300,000 units in the US Per Year though in the US based on price the Camry is considered a mid range midsize sedan where as in other countries it's considered an entry level midsize luxury sedan similar to what a Cadillac CT 4 would be in the US granted the base LE trim will list around 28,000 for gas engine 30,000 for hybrid and that's before destination fee Taxes Title license and options
Thank you for these insights and your contribution.
Thank you
you're welcome
I had a 1965 early the same gold as shown here with a 289 4 speed ,and no power accessories.
Got a 65 coupe built it November 64, has many early parts fitted, 👍
That‘s very good because old parts are sometimes even of better quality and simply fit well with the times back then.
I had a mustang 1965 Ford Mustang 289c.i. 225 HP, 4 Bbl carb convertible Dark Green, White conv. Top with White interior
Dark green and white, what a stunning combination 👍
Some of the very early Mustangs shipped with Falcon trim parts installed on them....hubcaps, horn buttons, etc. Ford was caught by surprise by the huge demand for Mustangs and had trouble keeping up with production of all the Mustang parts, so they shipped some cars with the Falcon parts installed. The customer was told they would be called by the dealer when the proper Mustang parts became available, at which point the customer would return the car to the dealer to have the Falcon parts swapped out. Some people asked to keep the Falcon parts and the dealer would place them in the trunk. Most people didn't want the Falcon parts so the dealer retained them. Today the most valuable early Mustangs are the ones that retain their original Falcon parts.
Thank you for your contribution. That's a very exciting story that I didn't know, but it sounds very plausible. The demand 1964 was obviously enormous.
How to identify such Falcon parts? Is there an easy way? Your feedback and some advices would be very much appreciated. Maybe also which „Falcon“ part is most common or desirable.
I've been rebuilding automatic transmissions 45 YEARS , I just rebuilt the first , so-called 64 and half thing C-4 ,,,, IT HAD NO CHECK BALLS , NOT EVEN ONE WHERE I'VE ALWAYS USE ,,,, WELL I GUESS I'LL FIND OUT IN A CUPEL OF YEARS AFTER THAY FINISH THE FRAME OFF RESTORE TO SEE IF IT WORKS🛠️🔧🔧🔧🔧🧭
I am sure the result will be great, especially with your expertise of 45 years. I wish you good luck and success.
@@1964FordMustang I think so too 👍, thanks
ONLY 65.5 ARE THE DOOR LOCKS COLOR CODED TO THE INTERIOR, AND THERE IS A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN THE SIDE MUSTANG LOGO LENGTH BEHIND THE FRONT FENDER.
Absolutely correct and thank you for your feedback. I have made 3 special videos on this very topic. How to identify and differentiate such features that makes a real 1964.5.
I had a guy argue with me cuz I made the comment I owned a 1964 1/2 fastback 2÷2 with the pony interior he said they didn't make a fastback till 1965. Wrong awnser they were produced in August of 1964
You are absolutely right. Fastbacks where produced up from August/September 1964.
But August (date code „H“) is already the official 1965 model year.
1964 1/2 do have date codes C, D, E, F and G only.
@@1964FordMustang No production fastbacks were 64 1/2. None. If you have one, it is a pilot-line model, or a proto-type, that somehow escaped and got sold to the public. I have seen one. Only one. Might have been the only one in existence, as ALL of the production fastbacks were real 65s.
64 1/2 doesn't mean that it was produced before 1965, it means that it was made before the 65 MODEL year went into production, which was a few months before the 1965 cars were introduced to the public. American cars are typically introduced in the fall, not January of the new year. FOREIGN cars are introduced in January of the new year.
that’s absolutely right
And my mustang had the correct color trim for 64 1/2 that green color inside and outside
I guess Cascade green which was very popular; or even Pagoda green (?) which was by the way a very seldom ordered color and therefore today extremely rare. Do you still own the car in your family? Really a great color combination „green/green“.
My D code Mustang has many differences from the later ones
that's how it has to be 😀👍
For sale:
'64 and Huff Roostang
The car from Robert Peter Huff, British professional racing driver and collector?
@@1964FordMustang Grouch Marx to Margaret Dumont: "leave in huff.... or, a minute and huff."
I know this isn’t on topic, but I actually think the 1971-73 mustang actually looks pretty good. (Even though it is a bit hefty it still is pretty good.)
Absolutely and completely agree, also a very nice Mustang series. Very different and special design and meantime a cult vehicle and also a legend.
North Carolina DID title early Mustangs as 1964 1/2 models. I hold MCA member #9 and was an original member. We had people, original owners, that founded the club that had titles 1964 1/2. If these cars were sold again they got a NC 1965 title. I have owned my Mustang, a 66, since 1975/ thx
Very interesting. I didn't know that. Thank you for your contribution. Do you still have your 66er?
@@1964FordMustang My 66 2+2 is still in my gargae. a 100% restore was done in 2019. thx
1964 1/2 Mustangs can readily be identified by the lack of back-up lights.
Unfortunately not quite correct. From the beginning, the Mustang could have been ordered with the option „Backup lights“. Therefore there are proper 1964 1/2 out there with backup lights.
This can be found and seen also in the original sales brochure from March 1964 (I did a separate video from this sales brochure).
I had a 1964 and a half Mustang with a straight 6 cylinder
I guess the U-Code with the legendary „red“ block, straight six. Great car. Do you still own it?
@@1964FordMustang unfortunately not i sold it 😢
So I kinda have a 64 1/2 ford mustang it's my dad's he is the second owner in which he inherited it it belong to his cousin who had ordered it new and had it special ordered to have the 302 instead of the 289 in baby blue has 2400 on it unfortunately my dad's cousin had only seen it before he was shipped off to Vietnam where he lost his life now it sits in a climate controlled barn in all original condition except tires an oil
What a great and impressive story. Thank you for sharing and your kind contribution.
and Generator. 65 and up all had alternators.
Absolutely, all explained in my other video (engines). Very important and unique for the 1964 1/2 only. Thank you for your comment.
My sister was born on the same day as the Mustang release!
Very early Mustangs as described are generally the worst and sometimes oddest cars made. Generator, different trim and quite a few other things. by 65 most problems were solved and the cars generally better.
I absolutely agree. Much better the „real“ 1965 and the following model years. Positive, the strong basic raw material such as metal, chrome and iron, that was used at those times bud assembled with often poor craftsmanship.
Look for a generator on all 641/2 mustangs
Absolutely correct. However, main reason why many of the 1964 1/2 cars have alternators today instead of the original generator is, because generators are less efficient and reliable than alternators. But the first batch of the Mustangs all had generators until August/September 1964.
As an owner of a 65 mustang there seems to be more 641/2 then all mustangs put together 😂
That's obviously true. Seems everyone wants to be among the first, even though everything are 1965 models.
Likewise with the "1964-1/2" designation, Ford never made a "Fox body" (or worse, "Foxbody") Mustang. There's never been any such thing as a "Fox body" at Ford Motor Company.
I didn’t know that; thanks for your comment.
Relax man it's a nick name bc it's built on the fox chassis. They didn't start calling them that till ford reintroduced the 5.0 in 2011. I own 3 of them, I don't call them foxbody I call them mustangs. When someone says nice foxbody I just say it's a mustang.
@@charlesgreer7245 , yes, the Fox ***platform***, or more accurately a shortened Fox platform. "Body" is a GM term, Chrysler uses it too, but never, NEVER used at Ford.
@@jeffbranch8072 no shit man, the point was they call it foxbody bc it's the body style mustang that was built on the fox platform, mustang fans have always been divided on this car. The purist claim it don't look like a mustang. The cars have always had a big following outside the mustang purist fans. They took on a life outside the name mustang. Back in the day the GTs and other v8 cars were "five point Os" and when ford decided to capitalize on that five point O fame and slap a big 5.0 on the side of the 2011 up cars the original 5.0 cars began being referred to as foxbody to separate what car you were referring to. Except it was all for nothing bc the new cars are referred to as coyote not 5.0, but it was to late the name had stuck and it was probably thanks to the drag racing community and all the chevy guys shoving ls engines in them that it stuck as hard as it did. The cars are hands down one of the best stock chassis drag cars ever built. Perfect stock rear suspension and perfect distance from trans to rearend. So the bow tie boys who are not mustang guys started buying them up and I'm sure that had alot to do with the foxbody name sticking like it did. Most of us ford guys that grew up on these cars would have been just fine with going back to just mustang or five point O.
Wrong on the no 64 1/2 fastback mustangs cause I owned one. A fast back shelby cobra 289 hp, and the registration was 64 1/2. Get your facts straight, Carrol Shelby built the first fast back muscle car and I have a hard back copy of his book explaining the history.
Unfortunately not correct. Even Mr. Shelby does need a „Fastback“ to build his version. But Ford didn't start the production of the „Fastback-Body“ until September 1964. Therefore a Fastback is always a „real“ model year 1965.
Not even a Shelby Fastback can be called 1964 1/2.
Possible that Shelby made a Coupe version in the month before; that I do not know.
get Kevin Marti to do a Marti report on the car that can 100% tell if it's a 1964½ car
NO! Unfortunately MARTI Reports are available only from 1967 until 2012. A proper identification of the first two production years is not possible and not verified by Marti.
The absence of these 2 production years 1965/1966 (and of course the here mentioned 1964 1/2) leaves a lot of room for scams and cheating. That’s why I did this video 😀
Unfortunately NOT possible for all 1965 & 1966 models.
Not sure what month the 1965 Fords went into production, (a few months before they were introduced to the public), but the "64 1/2" Mustang was made BEFORE the other 65 Fords went into production. They had many differences. Many.
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