Why is Istria Not A Part of Italy?
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- Why is Istria Not A Part of Italy?
In this video, we explore the complex history behind Istria's cultural identity and its separation from Italy. Istria is a peninsula located in the Adriatic Sea, known for its stunning natural beauty and rich cultural heritage. However, its history is much more complex than its reputation might suggest. Join us as we delve into the many factors that contributed to Istria's separation from Italy, from the shifting political alliances of the early 20th century to the rise of nationalism and the aftermath of World War II. We'll also examine the role of Istria's diverse cultural heritage, exploring the ways in which its Italian, Slavic, and other influences have shaped its identity over time. Get ready to explore the complex history behind Istria's cultural identity and its separation from Italy!
0:00 Early settlement and the Romans
0:45 Age of invasion and refugees
1:30 Venice and trade
1:50 Hapsburg and French treachery
2:50 Austro-Hungary
3:30 Impact of the Unification of Italy
4:15 Irridentism
4:50 Germanisation
5:30 Ethic groups and Italian emigration
6:10 The Fiume and Trieste problem and World War 1
7:00 Woodrow Wilson and d'Annunzio
7:50 Italian Fascism and Italianisation
8:10 World War 2 and retribution
9:10 Istrian Dalmatian Exodus and ethnic cleansing
9:45 Division of Istria
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I was aware of the movements of historical revisionism that exist among Slovenia and Croatia, which try to convince themselves and other people that Istria and Dalmatia have always been Slavic Lands, even before reading certain comments. Of course, I also know that not all Slovenians and Croatians are like that, so I'm not generalizing. I'm just saying that Nationalism is a dangerous sentiment for peoples because, unlike simple and genuine Patriotism, it also implies a denial of part of one's own history in favor of others and the claim of a sort of "superiority" over other peoples. Anyone with a minimum of intellectual honesty cannot deny that Istria and some areas of Dalmatia have been Latin for most of their history, from Ancient Rome to Venice, and that they have been Slavicized several times due to later immigrations and historical policies. These political events caused deaths and deportations of both Slavs and Italians in alternating phases, but it is true for a long time before that the two peoples also lived in Peaceful Coexistence (Istrians and Dalmatians defined themselves as such, specifying only if they were of Latin or Slavic culture). Having said that, there is a reason why in some Dalmatian areas there was bilingualism with Italian, while it still exists in Istria, or why if you look around you can find the Lion of St. Mark carved for centuries in the stones of churches or walls. In Italy on February 10th the victims of the Julian-Dalmatian Exodus are commemorated, but now it is useless to argue about certain past issues... Today we must be aware that we are all Europeans and that we must pursue peace, tolerance and justice on our continent, trying to positively influence the rest of the world!
Greetings from Italy to the Slavic Peoples!
Hi Trebor, thanks for leaving a comment. I hope in time we can all learn (at times uncomfortable) history and maybe we can avoid repeating some mistakes of the past.
My father, grandfather and great grandfather all came from Albona and had Slovenian surname. The surname is common in Slovakia and Russia from the city of Novgorod in the 9th. century and was the surname of the merchants of Novgorod which ruled the city. Yes we can all be proud we are Europeans and live together in peace and harmony.Venetian dialect with some Slavic words called Istrian was spoken by the townsmen including mostly Croatian in some homes and the surrounding countryside. I have a photo of my fathers boys class taken in 1924 with the Italian flag. However the irony was all the boys were tall and blond which would not have been the case if they were Latins. Official Venetian was spoken at the town hall for hundreds of years under the Venetian Republic Italians did not exist before 1860 in Italy when Garibaldi teached Venice he made his soldiers vote for Venice to join Italy instead of the Venetians. Venetians, Veneti were Roman allies and fought in the Battle of Cannae and adopted Latin in 150 BC and were given Latin Rights and eventually citizenship. They were not of Latin origins but instead came from the North of the Alps . There is reference their capital was Vindobona modern day Vienna. In the Middle Ages Istria was part of the Kingdom of the Croats. Slovenia after 50 years of independence was quickly taken over by Bavaria in 750 AD and then the Franks.
@@Jakez408 Thank you for sharing your story, but perhaps I noticed some errors in historical context that I would correct as follows: All Italic Peoples (term also used to indicate All the Peoples of the Italian Peninsula, therefore also the Venetians) in the Social War (91-87 BC) fought and obtained a political victory, that is, extension of Roman Citizenship to all Italics south of the Po and of Latin Citizenship to Italics north of the Po (to which Roman Citizenship will also be subsequently extended). The fact of being "Latin" was a Cultural and Political Status and not Ethnic or linked to physical appearance, because any Barbarian could become Roman. However, Roman Citizenship remained limited only to the inhabitants of the Italian Homeland until the Constitutio Antoniniana (212 AD). Finally, as regards the Modern Concept of Italian National Identity, it actually largely predates the Political Unification of 1861: it dates back to at least 1220-1350 and among the various Most Illustrious Works in which it is possible to see this, there is the Dante's Divine Comedy (particularly in Purgatory, Canto VI, vv. 76-78). Furthermore, the Accademia della Crusca, the Oldest Linguistic Academy in the World, has regulated the Italian Language since 1583. Therefore the Italians, as the First People Culturally Descended from Rome (for obvious geographical and historical reasons), have existed long before 1861. I apologize if these corrections are actually the result of a Misunderstanding of your comment. Greetings to all Slavs and in particular to the Communist ones.. Capitalism will collapse sooner or later!
on 7:51 you say: They were some emigration to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovens
but people like bishop Juraj Dobrila resisted this italianisation....
in fact Dobrila died in 1882., / 40 years before these events/,and in “ some emigration“
emigrated between 40000 and 60000 croats and slovens from Istria
There are more such inaccuracies, but in any case congratulations on the effort.
Hi Beppogiglio. thank you for leaving a comment, appreciated. Good spot with Juraj, having re-checked my material, it is in the wrong place as you state. On the "some emigration" point, I deliberately simplify the material (in this case stats.) in order to keep the video reasonably short. Regards
Gentile dottore vorrei che la storia di quelle terre venga sviscerata attraverso i documenti storici che lei potrà facilmente consul5are in Austria e precisamente a Vienna .Infatti sin dal 1855 l'impero asburgico a favorire la slavizzazione di quelle terre "cosiddette veneziane" ma nel novembre del 1866 questo disegno fu preso di petto dall'imperatore Francesco Giuseppe ,il quale ,per timore dell'irredentismo della popolazione italiana ordinò la cacciata dagli uffici pubblici ,dalle scuole il perso nale di lingua italiana , al cui posto nominava personale di lingua slava , eliminò tutte le trascrizione della lingua italiana e addirittura uso il clero cattolico di lingua slava a truccare gli atti di nascita imponendo nomi slavi ai nascituri . Sia gli Sloveni che i Croati in quei periodi facevano spedizioni punitive nei confronti della comunità italiane ,distruggendo biblioteche ,aziende artigianali e ritrovi .con la complicità della polizia asburgica . A Fiume ,A Zara come a Trieste si ebbero sollevazioni delle popolazione italiche a seguito di efferati omicidi . Addirittura il clero distruggeva i registri di battesimo e di nascita in quanto a quest'ultimi era devoluto il compito.Mi sono permesso di scrivere succintamente questi episodi dolorosi grazie alla ricerca storica fatta da una studiosa croata ,il suo nome è Oleg. Mi riesce difficile a trovare il cognome . Lei certamente può tranquillamente trovare .I fatti ,gli episodi e gli eventi si fanno con la continua ricerca della verità della storia . Sono trascorsi 80 anni dalla fine della guerra ,so bene che quei territori sono oramai Croati e sloveni ,nulla da eccepire . Quello che a me dà fastidio è la falsificazione della storia .. cordiali saluti
What about africans in this video? Found it quite unsettling and offensive....
Same here. Generally a good historical overview, but why the videos about racial conflict in the US? That was very distracting.
Where is there a video about racial conflict in the US?
Let's ask a slightly different question: Why should Istria/Istra be part of anyone or anything?
The main focus of people living in Istria is tourism and agriculture and that has made people both healthy and friendly.
So with that in mind, we should try to change the default way of thinking by asking: who would like to join Istria/Istra.
Hi Ld, thanks for leaving a comment, which I do not disagree with. This is a history channel, and if you have watched the video, people of all sides have not thought as you do, about Istria, in the last 200 years. Thanks for watching
Istria was never part of Italy, except during Mussolini and the fascist occupation. That is why it is natural that Istria is not part of Italy.Then people were taken to concentration camps
and were forced to change their original names to Italian ones.But also, after the end of the war and the collapse of fascism in Italy, many Italians left Istria and Dalmatia, and some
of them were victims of revenge.In general, that part of history is equally painful for Italians, Croats and Slovenes. Fortunately, today the relations and cooperation between these nations
are better than ever because they have left the dark part of history behind them.
The past can never be forgotten. My father witness the first German assault in 1941 of Albona ( Labin, Croatian) . In the second assault the Germans regrouped after being wiped out and returned with tanks. Half the townsmen were killed on that day. That means the families and children that could have been mostly Croats never existed in the 1950,s because the men were killed. Under Tito immigrants came to Labin from all over Yugoslavia and the Istrian culture was nearly destroyed.
@@Jakez408- I completely agree with you and I stand by what I wrote. The past should not be forgotten precisely because of the bad things that happened and as a warning to prevent it from happening again.
It was Italian before Mussolini too.
Even the Istrian Slovenes -not more than 5% and Istrian Croats 80% did not want to live under communism and like us applied to immigrate to Canada which closed in 1949 and many Croats went to Australia but we did not associate with them because they were not Istrians. Tito plugged the gaps by bringing in immigrants from all over Yugoslavia and nearly destroyed Istrian culture. However it will never get back to the 1930,s because Istrian was a Venetian dialect with some Croat words which is not spoken there anymore.
@@xyeB It was Istrian - Venetian speaking Croats in the East and Venetian speaking Veneti in the West. Italians were not there before 1954 when some immigrated from Southern Italy.
i am happy that you use Koper and not Capodistria. as well.. koper is a slovene city.
where even the stones speak Italian. Slovenes came in, forced out all the native Italian population and renamed the square "Titov trg". Tell me how Slovene this city is, especially the Venetian Lion in the city center.
You like it or not, the city is officially bilingual Koper/Capodistria
Capodistria:Giustinopoli.Capris Justinopolis.
@@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ - You have no idea what you are talking about. Those stones are a thousand years older than Italy, which was officially established as a state in 1861.
A volte rispondere ad un ignorante va a finire che ti metti allo stesso livello . Dunque mi cheto nel mio silenzio che urla ! ....@@tonkoprcic3428
Lines between Men......madness !
Very interesting video, but the contemporary and "diverse" bits of video put in to illustrate historical conflicts is very distracting. Please swap them out for something more accurate.
Hi Sean, thanks for this. I use freely available stock video, and sometimes have to use the closest match I can find for what I need. Regards
@@madaboutsicily Thank you for the reply! 🙂
well... why the whole Ireland not a part of UK?
Forgive me Dani, rather than ask a deflecting question, maybe actually watch the video and then we have a sensible discussion?
I enjoy the clips of people engaging in conflict !......funny !
I don’t know if there’s the desire to be again in war between Italians and the others on the other side… I mean, looking at the comments… people that want Venice, people that want Istria etc…
It was all Rome… then Republic of Venice but also the presence of the local populations.. but that’s just history… now… are we friends or enemies?
I am pretty saddened by a lot of the comments on this video. Generally by people who have not watched the video and then proceeded to accuse me of things I never said. But there you go ;-)
@@madaboutsicily I can understand you, sometimes I said something bad because when is too much is too much… Ideology, personal frustration, ignorance… or simply a diatribe between two football nations in a match… but after match all finish there. People like these is much present on CZcams and Social…
But in real life they are very few… fortunately… I’m sure that this happens in other channels too…
Some, on purpose, make video like: Why South Tyrol is Austria!… I mean, they search these kind of comments… While, some that have different intents… well, you can see…
Fiorello la Guardia lives in Rijeka (Fiume)
Hi Davor, I thought he lived in Trieste?
@@madaboutsicily for Trieste I'm not sure but for Rijeka certenly
Love ❤italy from Albania 🇦🇱 balkan europe
Istria is teritor italy ocupues sllav croatia slovenia
I guess because the Tito's boys 👍 sorted out the Benito's boys 👎. Saying that, I do regret post-war 'ethhnic cleansing' and the fact that innocent people were forced out of their homes....as much as I regret all the killing and beating of Dalmatian and Istrian folk 41-43 and before. ❤ and ☮️ to all good (antifa) people wherever they are from.