The BEST and WORST trowel in the WORLD
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- In this video we are talking about the pros and cons behind the 18” Marshalltown Permaflex trowel. The trowel that has so much potential but ultimately fell flat on its face.
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I had the same problem loved the trowel found it very light & great finish. Then bought a nela black as my mate raved about it but just couldn't get on with it but went back to a nela gold which I had before the marshalltown can't fault it, just have to remember to put the protective sleeves back on after!!!
My main work trowel is a marshall town 16×5 carbon have it quiet a while cleaned it recently and what a difference top tip Alex from cleaning your trowels if you leave them in water just enough to cover the blade or whatever you want cleaned cover in baking powder and let it soak over night stiff brush the next day come up like brand new... Also what you were saying regards trowel width always found myself that the narrower the blade is the easier it is on your wrist don't fully know guess it's just a wide blade can leverage more pressure to your wrist or something 🤷🏻♂️ do like a narrow blade but can't really use m big nuckles I just end up skinning and busting them up on ceiling line's anyway as always keep the content coming always enjoy your video's 👍
I have the 18 x 4 stainless trowel, great for big areas but hard on your body, so only use when necessary
Hi Alex, love vids, as a DIYer go through spells where don't do any plastering , your vids helped me refresh my plastering skills. Quick question misplaced my cheap hawk that purchased many years ago when learning to plaster. Recently upgraded from 12"to 14" trowels ( MT permashape CS, Rafina superflex 2 & plaziflex), but not sure what size hawk to get 13" or 14"?
13” is what I prefer. You don’t get a dirty t-shirt when working as it doesn’t rub up against it as much.
Interesting. I was just about to order one.
Loved my ox flex on till I crushed it with the sliding door of the van!
Do you use the 18 inch carbon for laying on or just troweling up ?
Pushing to hard going up beads. Only use top or bottom inch or 2 against the beads. Never use the middle of it. That’s what went wrong.
I have the exact same problem with my 16” version of this
I got the same trowel years ago and had exactly the same problem.
I can’t quite see how a ripple like that has occurred from troweling off and wet trowelling. Take care of the trowel and always use the trowel edge protector. I mean I see and have also been guilty of placing my trowel hooked on the edge of a bucket and into the van. Prone to getting damaged like that. Also running them down beads.
Hi Alex I always use a medium flex and they stay great, got the Nela and am using supaflex 2 and find it brilliant also 14” but thinking going up to 16” all way through, 18” little too long in my eyes but I think medium flex is way to go those 0.3mm blades are too fragile
Yeh I think your right there mick. Gutted it died after a month. It was lovely to use when I first got it. Sad times.
Ss perma 16 and 14 inch both entering there 16th year ( roughly )🤔
Great trowels , rock solid ,
Good review though as I’ve got one of those perma flex and nearly use it , not great like you say .
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I had the 13 or 14 inch version of this trowel. It was nice but it did lose its shape fairly quickly.
Thanks for the comment joe. I want to try out the 13”. Would be gutted if it went out of shame really quick.
it happen on the nela super felx as well
I use medium flexes m8 never any issues, just to thin those 0.3mm
Funny my last Marshal Town $65 pool float rusted after first use, all my others are years old and still kick butt, I wonder if they are using cheaper metal alloys?
You just bought a carbon steel rather than stainless
I broke a Marshall town trowel I contacted Marshall Town and got there USA based customer service center. They directed me to UK based customer service center. I emailed them they said return trowel to us and provided I hadn't abused it they would replace it for free. I returned it and within 5 days of breaking trowel they replaced it.
What sand paper did you use on carbon steel
www.wickes.co.uk/Oakey-240-Grit-Between-Coats-Sandpaper-Roll---5m-x-115mm/p/241296
Surely clever enough to adjust the way you use it. Don’t just blame the trowel. Try different things and see. After I broke my first one I learnt and adapted. Well worth the effort
No longer use flex trowel for that reason lot of money but don’t last use my Nela now for silicone top coat render blinding
I’m the same most of the time. Pretty much a carbon all the way through for me. Though I am enjoying the 18x4 Carbon at the moment. Gets it super flat.
Is that for laying on with as well Alex
@@Nofixedabode859 I put walls with it. Not ceilings. Comes off the back a bit too much.
@@AlexMorleyPlastering I’ve bought an 18 inch nela carbon, not heavy at all and is lovely to use. I did a ceiling with it and didn’t even need a speedskim as it was rather small. Can’t wait for it to be as good as my 13 incher
Anyone try the ragni flex trowel yet?
I only use my superflex on the final trowel😁
it is from running it up beads mate
Am I right in thinking that the spec of this trowel with a 0.3mm blade is about the same spec as the Refina 1. Getting a bit confused about trowels and would like to try the Permaflex but judging by what people are saying here on CZcams the medium flex towels with a 0.04mm blade such as the Refina or Nela are more suited to final finishes or a Refina 2 with the 0.05mm blade. Am I missing something here. Would like a 13 inch trowel and that narrows my options down by quite a bit. Seems I’ve got the Refina 1, the Permaflex or the NELA black edition to pick from or maybe the mediflex. What’s everyone think about this. Can I get away with the MT then the Permaflex to finish with? Cheers Alex and everyone else
If your going 13” go for the MT. It is without a doubt the best flexible out there. But the 18” is too fragile to use for any amount of skimming.
Thank you Alex. So I’m ok with the Permaflex for laying on then first and second trowels then move on to the Permaflex to finish with. Just as a matter of interest why is it that most people have moved away from the ultra flexible trowels? Is it just a trend and like most other things is it just down to personal preference and finding out what works best for the individual through trial and error.. thanks spending your time replying and helping.
@@lewigas290 no you want to use a SS or CS trowel to lay on with up to the first wet trowel. Then do the second set trowel with the permaflex. Should come out lovely.
I think plasterers thought they were easier to use as they took less strain on your body, but they give inconsistent results so have moved back to doing most of the work with a stiffer trowel.
Normal to test out new methods, not all of them work.
@@AlexMorleyPlastering Thank you for that. This makes sense now. Keep posting your vids they are so comprehensive and you put the content across so well. Cheers
At £5 per m2 that trowel has made you 15 grand before it buckled... worth every penny for 70 quid ....
£7.50 m² 🤫😂😂😂
@@AlexMorleyPlastering £22500 then 😂, pretty astonishing value ...
Why use a flex trowel if you hope to achieve a flat wall?
i think that’ll be because its an 18, its a long span to have on a 3mm blade, bet you wouldn’t get that on a 14inch
Alex, nela is a medi ! Not a midi.... 👍
3000 meters and that's not enough area for you to buy another trowel? How much are you making per meter ? I'll buy a new trowel for every larger job. Always have a new trowel in the rotation, sure I have my favorites but you never know when something bad is going to happen.
I’d allow a plastic or flex if I was doing that much meterage but not laying on trowels. I’ve got a razor sharp mt 13 inch carbon, same again I’m breaking in, and a stainless I’m working on. Anymore than that is pointless for me
Wow,i was gonna buy one but now im not
Best trowel ever. 25 years plastering and it’s not even close. Need to look after it a bit more. Buy a leather wallet for it. The best of the best trowels ever.
All mine are in wallets. Only 15 quid or so each
Curry trowels are the best trowels ever made, in my opinion of course. But im also a taper.
I have heard this. But try get one in the uk is nearly impossible
Refina superflex2 best !!! And main trowels nela black …
3000m in a month
Afraid so. It’s those schools. They are a killer.
The longer a flexi trowel the more prone to losing shape.
Marshall town flexi is the worst trowel .. to flexi