1974: Are YOU at your level of INCOMPETENCE? | The Peter Principle | BBC Archive
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- The Peter Principle states "In a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence". The mind behind the Peter Principle, Dr Laurence J Peter explains some of the observations that informed his theory, and has some advice for those of you who wish to avoid reaching your own level of incompetence.
Originally broadcast 20 March, 1974
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From 1974 and how accurate this still is!
More accurate than ever, it would seem!
I meet such people every day where I work, quite often several times a day.
This guy is great. I love listening to him. He’s funny without trying to be funny. 😄
He also makes some great points. 🙂
The Peter Principle is the only entrance exam required at Westminster Parliament.
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50 years later and employers still haven't caught on to this paradox?
Especially government employees!
Yeah, this happens all too often in the Civil Service. I was pretty good at my job, and after a few years they made me the deputy manager of this particular department. I went for it as it meant more money, but after a couple of months I had a nervous breakdown with the stress of having to manage *people*, rather than just doing the job. I asked to be demoted back to my old position and all went well after that. I saw this happen many times over.
It’s sad that being good at your job isn’t reason enough to give you more money. You have to do management, which is an entirely different job.
Yes I was in the Civil Service for all my working life. The only way to get more money was to get promoted. Unfortunately, this lead to a lot of people in jobs that they were totally unsuitable for.
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Very brave asking to be demoted. His extended theory, that people are employed until they leave that job through retirement, redundancy or being fired. We have had a couple of people who decided to revert to their previous grade. Mentioned with a sort of stigma - probably envied by some in the same position.
Dr Laurence J. Peter 1919-1990🙏
some great Paddy Kingsland music in that. One piece sounds like it's a variation on his "Earthmen" track.
This is why I don’t want to be a manager. Unfortunately, management is the only way to get decent pay.
@DnB and Psy Production yes but the ratio is 100:1
In our current system, managers are paid too much, simply by being managers. Skilled workers should be paid well, according to their merit. Same for skilled managers. Skilled managers should be paid more than their unskilled workers. And skilled workers should be paid more than their unskilled managers. To see this played out would actually discourage bad managers from seeking management positions, as their compensation would be lower than that of the people they manage, depriving them of at least one power they currently hold over the skilled worker, which is higher pay. The management 'skill tree' should run 2D parallel to the worker 'skill tree', not 3D over it.
Totally agree. I was a teacher for 17 years. Topnotch the pay scale, the managers were crap at thrir job, they were all teachers who had no training. I refused to be s manager as I knew nothing about managing...
@@mourtejin how would the low skilled workers who'd make great managers get promoted?
In the book one example is a man that takes the promotion to impress other people like family and wife and does not like the job but can’t ever leave without destroying his “life.”
thoughtful! we discovered the maximum incompetence in USA and UK recently! but you solved it better. (like the vintage synth music + vfx!)
@@jimb12312 Yes, I think that is exactly what makes it vintage. 😉 what definition do you have for that word?
This is like a Peter Serafinowicz
Sketch,especially the music.
Great stuff.
lol
Goes to show how well realised the satire of Serafinowicz and Time Trumpet etc actually was.
Almost if all his shows contained parody’s.
I'd recommend to everyone reading the Peter Principal book. If you wonder where society and those in expertise's default state of mediocrity has come from these days, it's all explained in the book. Nearly 50 years later and it's even more applicable today.
princiPLE. It was even written on the interstitials.
Be careful with things that sound true and explain everything. I'd question the assumption that there wasn't "mediocrity" before.
Does it need a whole book to explain a principle that can be explained in a couple of sentences.
@@vjosullivan you can also explain how to do jaw surgery in a couple of sentences
Lol people getting so triggered
The Peter principle definitely has a place in workplace theories
The graphics are amazing.
not really, they were crap when I remember them in the 70s and still crap now
Everything in this is abaolutely Brillient!
Uh somebody got a new machine for making titles for this little video.
Apart from that this sounds like a valid principle and some great observations the good doctor made here. Why oh why is this not better known.
Lovely to see the man himself. Another great book is Parkinson’s Law. The main law is quite well known but the book is satirically written and draws numerous conclusions upon the causes of poor management. And once again, it was written 60+ years ago
Had to look it up: Parkinson’s Law - Originally published: 1942 ... 80 years old! and just as the US joined the war. Even more impressive...
Always has and will be this way.
Still happening with frightening regularity.
Adore the music and animations in this 🥰
Those animators and syth wizards need a promotion!
I find them silly and annoying. Too loud as well. However, they look dated in a nostalgic way, so that's a plus.
Every Single Office in the UK
I agree that they seldom put people in managerial positions with proper training and preparation
They seldom even teach managers at universities. I have a bachelor and master degrees in management and business administration.
These 2 are actually uselles pieces of paper, since 90% of the stuff that is taught at university is plainly wrong and incomplete.
Now wonder that the average lifespan of a firm is so low, most of them are managed by incompetent people.
The 70's electronic music is great 😀
Yeah I kinda wanna know where the person “doing digital” in 1974 ended up 😂
It would be interesting to know how does a person got his/her mastery ? Probably self determination, tenacity and focus would have been important ingredients ? But it is also important to know if other external elements participated like teachers, trainers, coaches and mentors. Probably a way to overcome that situation is to acquire new skills and try, experiment, monitor and adjust in a calculated conscious way.
The mechanic example he used is a good way on how to overcome the problem. Said mechanic would have been incompetent when he first started, but over several years would have mastered his craft. The same process applies as a foreman. He has to learn and be taught how to be a foreman. That takes time. So the boss now has to help his new foreman settle into the role over several months, or by giving him the responsibility gradually. The incompetence is with the boss, not the mechanic/foreman.
What if the boss is also at his own level of incompetence?
I've only question my education during my college years, . I drop out most of my subjects 😓
if there are regulations on businesses which require or incentivize HR to increase salaries each year then there is pressure to promote people to positions commensurate with salaries
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I’m having questions in my mind to about everything
Yeah man gimme a badge
He looks like my neighbor my dad made him an omelette I don’t think he was a bad guy but he was a prison officer I think 🤔
Very strange life
The Peter Principle quit working when DEI showed up!
There is a flaw with this logic. It is a survivorship bias. It isn't that they put you into a role for which you're incompetent... it is that you get promoted no further because of the incompetence in that present level.
That is exactly his point. The way he says it is humorous way…ha..ha.
Applies to politics as well, yeah?
Pity the poor sparrows who are dumped on by the crows. Laurence fails to mention the numerous examples of persons being promoted due to favouritism, nepotism and cronyism, and those who are promoted as a precautionary measure to minimise harm to an organisation. Perhaps we could call this precautionary promotion.
Computer says... bald man sad.
This explains biden and kamala
Trump also!