Lol that's exactly why they scheduled the nightcap show to be in Houston at the same time as the event with Stephen A and Steve Harvey. Because Unc was not trying to have to answer those questions of did you and Steve have a conversation about the Katt Williams interview.
One of the worst things to happen to sports analyzation is this QB vs QB debate. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that conversation is almost never apples to apples. The game is far more nuanced than that.
I remember in the early 2000âs when sports conversations were a lot more informative/nuanced. Now itâs just a bunch of screaming matches where they say so little
I agree with you to be fair. Iâve been saying it for a while now. Letâs say a QB gets his team off to an early lead. His defence is managing to hold the opposing offence to zero. The gameplan changes. He doesnât have to take risks pushing the ball far downfield. Running out the clock etc etc takes priority. Securing the win. On the other hand thereâs a QB whoâs engaged in a shootout and had to throw for 4 touchdowns to get the win. Letâs say that happens every game in the season. The QB with more tdâs isnât necessarily better than the one with less. However people will talk about this QB had this many, the other ran for that many etc etc It matters. Only to an extent. Context matters more. Football is situational more times than not.
For those who donât know, Mahomes has the same ingredients that got Tom Brady more than 3 rings. A legend at TE, a HOF coach and playmakers around him. Itâs no one challenging the chiefs right now
Say what you want about Rodgers in the nfc championship game but in over 30 years nobody has been to more conference championship games besides Tom Brady. To write the jets off is just haters hating considering they have two elite options of on offense around Rodgers and an elite defense
Everyone forgets the League changed the OT rules because of Mahomes and he just won the superbowl with the new OT rules đđ 3peat on the way! đȘđœ
I've never heard of many issues on a Greyhound bus, but many are on airplanes. Also, planes crash, and more malfunctions are happening. It was why John Madden never flew on planes.
I think means like if he can get past him, along with whatever else he can do in the rest of his career. If he means that then I think he would crack the top 10 by the end of his career.
I think it's gotta be Allen at 1. AFC Championship was the first time Lamar played Mahomes in the playoffs. Allen's had like 4 chances to take out Mahomes and has lost all of them. If he loses to him again, we gotta start talking about him differently.
Hearing Molly talk is serious torture Edit: let me addđż it wasnât bad until she started to talk over people and forcefully insert her opinion, donât get me wrong I respect her opinion and work but when she forces herself into conversation it drags my brain â ïž
I hate when she trys to insert herself in the conversations. She's a mediator, not an informed insider or serious sports journalist. Sure she's nice to look at but know your role.
Both him and Sterling Sharpe don't like Lamar Jackson. They don't like QBs with legs like him because they would get fewer catches. There are also personal preferences why they knock Lamar Jackson. They're not QBs so I don't care what they think. I'll take the words of Steve Young, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning over anyone else. Ratings and clicks are why Lamar Jackson gets disrespected.
Iâm with SAS on this one. Allen has had the most opportunities against Mahomes and have yet to defeat him. All losses arenât his fault but he most definitely needs to beat him more than any other QB in the AFC
This is prob the best group first take puts together these days. Wish we could get stephen a, Shannon, and Dan on full time. Mad dog is entertaining in his segments as well. Show is so good when these dudes come on. Instead espn gives us random throw ins 2-3 days a week
So, SAS saying Lamarâs offensive talent let him down. Meanwhile, Mahomes receivers had the most drops in the league. When youâre great, you overcome. If people want to put Lamar in Mahomesâ class, then he should be able to make it work with Zay Flowers, OBJ, Agholor, and two great tight ends.
You probably want to re-think this take. Andrews and Flowers are the only players that provide consistent production. Speaking of drops or bad fumbles, did you actually watch the AFC Championship last year?
I'm pretty sure they give him such a hard time because he DOES make so much money. He's got some real NFL money from being a QB for 12 years. Not to mention ESPN pays pretty well. I think it's an inside-the-office kind of joke
@@builtbybenny I have a friend that has been working at ESPN for over 10yrs, and on-camera personalities do rake in the cash. Btw, radio personalities do so as well, if they get listeners. However, the difference between pay of the on-camera personalities is immense. There's a reason why they let so many people go recently.
Allen isnât the right answer. He has Less weapons on O and on D. No one expects him to beat Mahomes in the playoffs. The right answer is Lamar without a question
The worst part of shows like First Take is the ignorance of context. I get they don't have all day to get into the nitty gritty but Allen played out of his mind in that last divisional game. Stefon Diggs had one of the biggest choke drops I've ever seen on a deep pass that landed right in the bread basket, the defense was shredded with injuries, and don't forget the shanked field goal to end it. Did we also forget 13 seconds?
@deandrejohnson4348 How many did of those same throws did Mahomes make? I've been a Chiefs fan all my life but a spade is a spade. I'm just giving credit where it's due
Man, Allen has to be the guy to get the most respect out of not one, but TWO loses ever. Heck, I feel like Burrow at times gets a bit too much glazing for one win, but at the very least it was a win, Allen doesn't even have that.
It doesnât matter if Josh Allen had 600 yards and Mahomes had 1 yard .. The question is who needs to DEFEAT Mahomes not who performs better .. If Josh Allen does all that and loses and gets sent home none of it matters
Unc makes some good point when it comes to ravens defense only allowing 17 points in the playoffs but letâs not forget Lamar never had a WR or RB who rushed or received for 1000 yards. Mahommes defense gave a lot cuz his earlier team were stacked offensively and they were built for shootout. Context matter.
Not sayin Dan right but he got a point⊠how many years yall banking on Aaron playing? Yall know the discussions surrounding his career and the 4 mvps but the â1 ring, and an entire decade of failuresâ, another ring for Rodgers, especially beating Mahomes in the process?? That catapults him into a goat discussion because he has the numbers and stats and longevity, but everyone knows him only having one ring is what everyone talks about
I wasn't thinking Rodger's either. But in all honesty if he doesn't get another chip you can't say his career hasn't been underwhelming. 4 MVPs yeah but he's come up short in the playoffs a lot. To be considered as great as he's been regarded
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Facts bro if he was just losing to Mahomes then I would understand, he constantly plays bad every playoffs and lost to titans, and burrow. I won 6k off that titans game. But Lamar overrated he not better than mahomes, burrow, or Allen,
â@@Brandon-cp1nv Which is why the answer is Josh Allen, not Lamar Jackson. Allen is the better QB in terms of an actual QB in many people's eyes. Allen has had many opportunities to get to the Super Bowl especially against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and whether it was him, his offense, his defense, or his special teams, he's failed. That window is gonna eventually close if you can't get it done at least ONCE.
@@Brandon-cp1nvhe never played burrow in the playoffs Burrow barley beat Tyler Huntly And I could of sworn Lamar did good against the Texans in the playoffs last year but ig none of that happened
@@fisherfoster6032 Who cares. They already did it. Mahomes scored 0 touchdowns in Raymond James Stadium that night. And don't give me the O line excuse because he OBLITERATED the Bills Defense the game prior to that Superbowl with the same O Line..
@@bigchungus1848 and mahomes since has won the same amount of rings the bucs franchise total in the last two years. But celebrate mediocrity with faker mayfield now.
So all Lamar has to do is beat 1 guy? What if he doesnât even win a Super Bowl? What if Allen does win a Super Bowl but doesnât go through the chiefs? Does it not count?
the answer is literally everyone lol, but if one person its Josh Allen but its never going to happen with McDermott as coach, Allen plays good every year in the playoffs but McDermott is always out coached and out classed by Andy Reid and the one game against Zac Taylor, the Bills defense always gets torched in zone coverage in the playoffs since like 2017 and they never once changed the scheme and get picked apart by the elite offensive coaches every playoffs. they wasted a lot of years of solid vets until injuries derailed them the last 2 seasons
Itâs crazy how chiefs beat ravens 17-10 And Shannon gives all credit to Mahomes But when that was Brady everybody always brought up he had the âgreatestâ coach in bill and a really great defense before they would give him any credit
I think your arguments are outdated because after seeing Bill without Brady nobody is seriously downplaying Tom's affect on winning. Had Bill retired after From left then they could've kept that argument alive but not after what we've seen post Brady.
I swear KC fans have no idea how good they have it with Reid as a HC, as soon as they hired him (and before Mahomes) he had them averaging 10-12 wins a season with an average quarterback! Go ask Philadelphia how he turned Mike Vick (who could barely complete half his passes) into a Pro Bowl passer who completed 60+% of his passes. Heck, Andy Reid led the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games (and 1 Super Bowl) with Donovan McNabb as his QB. That same McNabb that folded faster than a cheap suit when he left the Eagles. These fans clearly can't see or acknowledge that they have the best offensive coach in NFL history (and top-5 all time) with an All-time QB, oh and top-5 all time defensive coach. But nope IT IS ALL MAHOMES...
Dan was absolutely right. All the Ravens had to do was run the ball, they barely ran the ball knowing the chiefs defensive strength was pass defense and ravens receivers was a poor matchup for chiefs dbs
Lamar has played against Mahomes once in the playoffs lol, why Shannon acting like heâs been a roadblock for him like Josh Allen. Lamar has lost to Tannehill, Allen, and Rivers (their teams I mean). Fact of the matter is until last season, Lamar was flaming out early in the playoffs so he never played the Chiefs.
Harbaugh has made the ravens a defensive team aslong as I can remember, they are always in games. Fired is crazy.. yess they shouldâve ran more that game.. but donât forget the game was full of mistakes.
@@missile87redefined25how can he be the greatest dual threat QB when after 2 MVPs we still question his passing ability? If you contain the QB scramble can he pick you apart from the pocket? Be real
@@missile87redefined25 "IF" he wins a SB it's not crazy. At this point considering his inability to produce in the playoffs that's a huge hurdle. I need to see him make a tight window throw in the playoffs when he has to have it to even say he's dual threat.
8:06, Stephen A. is FULL OF IT! with that take. The THREE playoff games Josh has had the lead in ALL of them. In the "13 seconds" game, that's a WIN. Josh did not call the STUPID prevent defense that cost us the game. Last year in the Divisional playoff game, Stefon Diggs FORGOT how to catch the ball, and dropped a pass that WINS the game. The FG kicker MISSED a 44-yard FG that ties the game, and we win in OT. And even in the 2020 AFC Championship Game, Josh took us down to what should have been a 10-0 lead, Bass missed the extra point. GIVE JOSH the kickers that the great Patrick Mahomes has had with Butker and GIVE JOSH what Joe Burrow has with his kicker, McPherson, that WINS the game. But you will see in 2024 Josh has, REMEMBER this name Khalil Shakir!!!!!!!! The next Andre Reed in Buffalo!!!!! And REMEMBER this name, Dalton Kincaid!!!!!!! Let Josh throw THAT PASS Diggs dropped to Shakir or Kincaid with the game on the line against Mahomes or Burrow!!!đŻLET'S PLAY!!!đŻ
Shannon not hanging with Steve Harvy after the Katt interviewđđ
lmaoo mad theres only one comment acknowledging this đ
Lol that's exactly why they scheduled the nightcap show to be in Houston at the same time as the event with Stephen A and Steve Harvey. Because Unc was not trying to have to answer those questions of did you and Steve have a conversation about the Katt Williams interview.
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Stephen A Smithâs suit is god tier. That is FRESH
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Next level glazing. It aint even all that
It's a suit...
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Rockin that Morgan freeman đ
This dude said Aaron Rodgersđđđđđđđ. Iâm crying, Dan you lucky they like you at ESPN cause your takes ainât it
Thank you
Bro I was confused like doesnât he need to get pass the 49ers thatâs been his kryptonite
@@curtiscoffman6735he ainât in the NFC no more so technically it wouldnât apply to the 9ers
all these interactions are scripted. each of them knows who the other person is going to pick ahead of time, Dan's doing Skip's job this time around
Dan is starting to sound like Ryan Hollins lmao
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Dans right
@@mikez86heâs not
@@usopenitentiary nah. He is
One of the worst things to happen to sports analyzation is this QB vs QB debate. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that conversation is almost never apples to apples. The game is far more nuanced than that.
exactly, i hate it as well...
Yes. Everything has to be factored in when itâs a team sport.
I know I hate it. I also hate the QB wins narrative. There's 3 phases to the game that are very important.
I remember in the early 2000âs when sports conversations were a lot more informative/nuanced. Now itâs just a bunch of screaming matches where they say so little
I agree with you to be fair. Iâve been saying it for a while now. Letâs say a QB gets his team off to an early lead. His defence is managing to hold the opposing offence to zero. The gameplan changes. He doesnât have to take risks pushing the ball far downfield. Running out the clock etc etc takes priority. Securing the win. On the other hand thereâs a QB whoâs engaged in a shootout and had to throw for 4 touchdowns to get the win. Letâs say that happens every game in the season. The QB with more tdâs isnât necessarily better than the one with less.
However people will talk about this QB had this many, the other ran for that many etc etc
It matters. Only to an extent. Context matters more. Football is situational more times than not.
Definitely wasnât thinking Aaron Rodgers
How? How else will the Jets win the Superbowl đđđ
@@greenbay3164wym how heâs already accomplished đ? Donât get me wrong another ring would definitely boost him up but Lamar and Josh ainât win đ© yet? Like what are we talking about
That doesn't make sense đ
Its either Lamar or Josh
@@Dre4tfaccomplished to be where heâs at correct, along the all time QBs? Heâs not there so yes winning a ring helps him at least move up the ladder. But the jets ainât winning đ©
Shannon won this debate. I was sold when he talked about how Lamarâs defense has never let him down
Except vs the titans in 2019
Itâs not Lamar and LAMAR HAS BEAT MAHOMES LMFAOO WITH THE WHOLE RAVENS TEAM BEING INJURED
6:03 Shannon almost called Dan Ocho đ
Having a 'Hear's the ting Skiiip' moment.
Muscle Memory..
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Itâs a natural reaction for Unc đđ
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"no wonder why you in Bristol" Stephen A was cooking Dan at the end lmao đ
josh allen needs to beat mahomes the most given all the years the bills have been coming up short against the chiefs.
Agree, with Lamar and the ravens being second imo
Yes us as a TEAM have to beat KC but Josh is the only reason we had a chance those games defense stays selling at the worst time
@@michaelo6161 i meant int the context of the question of which qb needs to beat mahomes the most. i think its josh allen.
@@eriknewton4656 i give you that,him & Burrow needs it the most, they allways come up short against them
â@@michaelo6161 Defense stopped them at the 1. Why couldn't he capitalize?
Shannon Sharpe really knows Football đđŻ
He played it for 14 years won 3 SBs Shannon is a hall of fame Tight End of course he knows what he's talking bout!!
I would hope so he played in the NFL dork đ
Wish Molly didnât interrupt him at the end.
@@TheVibe24_7 dont need to call him a dorkđ
Unc looking like xerxes from 300 with that bling.
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@Messigoat1033 "Earth and Water..."
H town đ
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Dan: âIm gonna pick both of these apartâ
SAS: âAre you..?â
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They be giving Dan the HEAT, always đđđđ
they go insane on Dan đ€Ł Dan has good takes too
The Rodgers take is how these debate shows work lol they all gotta have a different opinion
Bro and he just be rolling with it, he a good sport fr đđđ
Anti-White racism.
Fr i be gettin uneasy cuz they never take a day off its almost like the friend that always get picked on
For those who donât know, Mahomes has the same ingredients that got Tom Brady more than 3 rings. A legend at TE, a HOF coach and playmakers around him. Itâs no one challenging the chiefs right now
Brady had a better defense
This man said Aaron Rodgers like the jets gonna make the Super Bowl smh
I know right, Jets are not going to the Super Bowl! đđđ
@@christopherwarburton1889the afc is a monster. Chiefs, ravens, Texans, jets, Cincy⊠I wouldnât be surprised if any of these teams make the SB
Say what you want about Rodgers in the nfc championship game but in over 30 years nobody has been to more conference championship games besides Tom Brady. To write the jets off is just haters hating considering they have two elite options of on offense around Rodgers and an elite defense
@@KingInTrainingAaron Rodgers is not at a elite level anymore the jets will never ever see a Super and thatâs a guaranteed fact !!!
@@bobbymo316 what numbers say that? Bc he got injured? He can still throw casual
Everyone forgets the League changed the OT rules because of Mahomes and he just won the superbowl with the new OT rules đđ 3peat on the way! đȘđœ
Fun FACT: No Quarterback has ever actually faced one another literally đ€«đ
Duh
Not true. In the early days, qbs played defense as well.
@@WordsMatter1982totally irrelevant to todays convo buddy
Itâs a duel like Yugioh
@@BratatoChiphe said âeverâ which isnât just todayâs football genius
Dan a multimillionaire taking Greyhounds around the country đ
Whatâs the way u stay a multi millionaire?
That's how you stay a millionaire
@@djs1791by making money?
@@increasekru5123 roman Pierce đ
I've never heard of many issues on a Greyhound bus, but many are on airplanes. Also, planes crash, and more malfunctions are happening. It was why John Madden never flew on planes.
"Orlov-keys!" đ
Stepped out of bound Dan.
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Dan Orvlosky is the First Take version of Rashad McCants on Gilâs Arena đđđđ I CANâT unsee it!!!
Equally dumb iddđ
Nah fr đ
They have to be trolling us because thereâs no way they really block some of the stuff that comes out of their mouth
Stephen A Smith: Annie are you OK? I mean Molly are OK? Are you OK, Molly?
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I was looking for this Dan wasn't ready đ
Lmaoo every other year it was âlamar lost because he didnât throw the ball moreâ now its âthey didnât run the ball enough â đ€Łđ€Ł
Ever heard of balance?
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two things can be true..
Facts, the Chiefs defense wanted Lamar to throw so they gave him bad running looks. Lamar had RPO options to run the ball but chose to throw
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Shannon definitely won this debate
He said Lamar is top 10 all time if he just beats Lamar once. That is laughable.
@@basementality4924 name me your list of top 10 QBs all time
@@basementality4924I think you meant to say if he just beats Mahomes once
I think means like if he can get past him, along with whatever else he can do in the rest of his career. If he means that then I think he would crack the top 10 by the end of his career.
No heâs not itâs Josh Allen
I agree with Stephen A Smith. Allen 0-3 against Mahomes in the playoffs regardless of the reason
It's gotta be
1. Lamar
2. Josh allen
Itâll never happen, joe cool is the only one capable. He too fkn cool. Cj stroud got that same poise, I think heâs capable too
I think it's gotta be Allen at 1. AFC Championship was the first time Lamar played Mahomes in the playoffs. Allen's had like 4 chances to take out Mahomes and has lost all of them. If he loses to him again, we gotta start talking about him differently.
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@@bodilly6221thereâs no way 10 years from now neither Lamar or Josh doesnât beat Pat at least once in the postseason
@@haydennyagah706 you say that as if it's been Allens fault every time. It's a team game, people need to start talking like it
This might be the best argument without molly interrupting them đ
Hearing Molly talk is serious torture
Edit: let me addđż it wasnât bad until she started to talk over people and forcefully insert her opinion, donât get me wrong I respect her opinion and work but when she forces herself into conversation it drags my brain â ïž
incel alert
I skip everytime she talks literally
And having to see your pfp burns my eyes
Grow up kid
Man I thought I was by myself, she is so annoying.
I hate when she trys to insert herself in the conversations. She's a mediator, not an informed insider or serious sports journalist. Sure she's nice to look at but know your role.
The look on Unc's face when he said......"H-Town". Lmfao! These boys are wild. Shannon showing love to tha third!
0:42 mutual understanding đđ
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Iykyk!!! Houston is serious!! Especially when it come to the ladies. All flavors too đđ
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3:40 No way Shanon just said Lamar needs 1 playoff win vs mahomes to be a top 10 qb all time đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł worst take Iâve heard in my life
Both him and Sterling Sharpe don't like Lamar Jackson. They don't like QBs with legs like him because they would get fewer catches. There are also personal preferences why they knock Lamar Jackson. They're not QBs so I don't care what they think. I'll take the words of Steve Young, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning over anyone else. Ratings and clicks are why Lamar Jackson gets disrespected.
Nah the way O was siting with his hands when the start talking about Lamar đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł manz look like a peak villian just enjoying his work.
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I know itâs four years, but 220+ pts off Josh Allen turnovers is a STAT Jesus Christ đđđ
Donât say that too loud. The narrative police will come for youđ
Now do playoffsâŠ
Letâs do playoffs
@@drgoalieno super bowls next
@@Billsbyabill7160 Super Bowls next
Iâm with SAS on this one. Allen has had the most opportunities against Mahomes and have yet to defeat him. All losses arenât his fault but he most definitely needs to beat him more than any other QB in the AFC
Allen 5-5 in the playoffs and Lamar is 2-5. Lamar got them MVPs so he definitely supposed to be beating Mahomes when it come down to it
@@jaliancasey5409naw Allen keeps falling short
@@jbmlk he won twice as much in the playoffs as Lamar
@@jaliancasey5409 No he's not "supposed" to be beating Mahomes because he isn't better.
@@Slayer1106411 if anybody can beat Mahomes then who should be the one if ainât the multiple time MVP winner?
This is prob the best group first take puts together these days. Wish we could get stephen a, Shannon, and Dan on full time. Mad dog is entertaining in his segments as well. Show is so good when these dudes come on. Instead espn gives us random throw ins 2-3 days a week
LOL when Dan was back on the screen, and Dan just smiled and took it đđđ
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The answer is Lamar
Nah Josh Allen
Lamar can barely beat titans in the playoffs how he gonna beat chiefs
So, SAS saying Lamarâs offensive talent let him down.
Meanwhile, Mahomes receivers had the most drops in the league. When youâre great, you overcome. If people want to put Lamar in Mahomesâ class, then he should be able to make it work with Zay Flowers, OBJ, Agholor, and two great tight ends.
You probably want to re-think this take. Andrews and Flowers are the only players that provide consistent production. Speaking of drops or bad fumbles, did you actually watch the AFC Championship last year?
So a normal episode??
Yep
SAS always hyped up when Unc is on the show đâ€ïž best collab
WOOOW Stephen A defending Lamar?!?! Im shocked g
He actually wasnât
Gotta love Stephen A vs Unc đ€Łđ€Ł Always a classic!!
Stephen A on point. I was thinking Josh Allen before Stephen A started talking.
Unc was at the BOOTY CLUB đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
They need to chill on calling Dan cheap. He probably ainât making as much money as them or heâs just real humble and money donât change him
I'm pretty sure they give him such a hard time because he DOES make so much money. He's got some real NFL money from being a QB for 12 years. Not to mention ESPN pays pretty well. I think it's an inside-the-office kind of joke
He has a wife, I think he has triplet boys and a daughter lol, he chooses to be cheap, he said that.
@@builtbybenny I have a friend that has been working at ESPN for over 10yrs, and on-camera personalities do rake in the cash. Btw, radio personalities do so as well, if they get listeners. However, the difference between pay of the on-camera personalities is immense. There's a reason why they let so many people go recently.
SAS needs to make himself feel better after Molly rejected him
Allen isnât the right answer. He has Less weapons on O and on D. No one expects him to beat Mahomes in the playoffs. The right answer is Lamar without a question
The worst part of shows like First Take is the ignorance of context. I get they don't have all day to get into the nitty gritty but Allen played out of his mind in that last divisional game. Stefon Diggs had one of the biggest choke drops I've ever seen on a deep pass that landed right in the bread basket, the defense was shredded with injuries, and don't forget the shanked field goal to end it. Did we also forget 13 seconds?
Allen played out his mind throwing 20 passes behind the line of scrimmage
@deandrejohnson4348 How many did of those same throws did Mahomes make? I've been a Chiefs fan all my life but a spade is a spade. I'm just giving credit where it's due
Man, Allen has to be the guy to get the most respect out of not one, but TWO loses ever. Heck, I feel like Burrow at times gets a bit too much glazing for one win, but at the very least it was a win, Allen doesn't even have that.
It doesnât matter if Josh Allen had 600 yards and Mahomes had 1 yard .. The question is who needs to DEFEAT Mahomes not who performs better .. If Josh Allen does all that and loses and gets sent home none of it matters
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The real question who can beat spags defense when it matters most
Go remind Chiefs fans that they have a top-5 all time D-coordinator, and then hear them say that nope, it's all Mahomes
First take canât go a day without mentioning the great LAMAR JACKSON⊠I mean my GOD bro đđđđ
Lamar take
They ain't lying..it was the same bout Peyton with Brady
You must mean the Cowboys.
â@nshanny73 cowgirls and goat Lamar Jackson
@@Princelee444 and the Lakers during basketball season.
Molly being cut out of the segment was perfect here!
Whisper âH-townâ says enough đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł I just moved here a year ago and I know exactly what he means
Allllllllllll that scattered thick H-town đ...đđđ
I hear u fam, but know that South Beach Flu whatâs jumping toođ
As a Chiefs fan I'm still happy that Lamar was trying to prove he can win in the big game passing, and didn't run!
Unc makes some good point when it comes to ravens defense only allowing 17 points in the playoffs but letâs not forget Lamar never had a WR or RB who rushed or received for 1000 yards. Mahommes defense gave a lot cuz his earlier team were stacked offensively and they were built for shootout. Context matter.
Mark Ingram Rush for over 1,000 yards the first year Lamar was a starter.
Lamar never played with pro bowl Wr Ravens fired Gm Ravens loosing because Wr
@@anthonycallaway4904good point but he never had the offensive weapons untill last year
@@Messigoat1033and what did he do with those offensive weapons last year in the playoffs?
@@BobbyM817it his first year in a new system and the gameplan sucked. You donât clean your chicken or steak before you cook it
Not sayin Dan right but he got a point⊠how many years yall banking on Aaron playing? Yall know the discussions surrounding his career and the 4 mvps but the â1 ring, and an entire decade of failuresâ, another ring for Rodgers, especially beating Mahomes in the process?? That catapults him into a goat discussion because he has the numbers and stats and longevity, but everyone knows him only having one ring is what everyone talks about
"It's not tennis" was a BAR by Dan ngl lol
0:43 I felt that Shannon pause đ
I wasn't thinking Rodger's either. But in all honesty if he doesn't get another chip you can't say his career hasn't been underwhelming. 4 MVPs yeah but he's come up short in the playoffs a lot. To be considered as great as he's been regarded
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Rodgers lmfao that's hilarious
I was today years old when I found out Aaron Rodgers and pat mahomes had a rivalry. This my first time even hearing them in the same conversation lol
The Ravens put up godly points in the regular season its not the offense IT THE QUARTERBACK!
Facts bro if he was just losing to Mahomes then I would understand, he constantly plays bad every playoffs and lost to titans, and burrow. I won 6k off that titans game. But Lamar overrated he not better than mahomes, burrow, or Allen,
â@@Brandon-cp1nv Which is why the answer is Josh Allen, not Lamar Jackson. Allen is the better QB in terms of an actual QB in many people's eyes. Allen has had many opportunities to get to the Super Bowl especially against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and whether it was him, his offense, his defense, or his special teams, he's failed. That window is gonna eventually close if you can't get it done at least ONCE.
@@wook1990 I agree with everything u just said, Mahomes is 1, then burrow 2, Allen 3 Lamar 4
@@Brandon-cp1nvhe never played burrow in the playoffs
Burrow barley beat Tyler Huntly
And I could of sworn Lamar did good against the Texans in the playoffs last year but ig none of that happened
@@juwanharris5425 so u have Lamar over burrow, burrow beating mahomes with a horrific o line already puts him over everybody else
Shay Shay be hittin em wit facts đ
Trying to gang up on my mans dan O đđđđđ
Steven a is racist
Typical Stephen A. He can dish it but he canât take it
They always do fr
@@Disused191 but if he goes back at them they get sensitive. At least with Shay thereâs decency
Just like Max... but at least Max had a spine.
Thank you Stephen A. !
Whatâs with people attacking Aaron Rodgers whoâs literally in 6 to 8 years is going to be inducted in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
Because in this case, Aaron isnât the âQB Who needs to defeat Mahomes the Mostâ lol I blame Dan for even bringing him up cause wth?
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Only 1 chip
We are talking about this season. Rodgers' time is running out. The other QBs need to beat Patrick Mahomes, but they all have time.
Buccaneers being the only team to destroy the chiefs in a Super Bowl is looking awesome right now.đđ
Hang the banner, mahomes already got more rings than your franchise.
@@fisherfoster6032you think they caređthey got they ring and blew him out they gone talk about that for years
@@Dre384 cool. What have they done since?
@@fisherfoster6032 Who cares. They already did it. Mahomes scored 0 touchdowns in Raymond James Stadium that night. And don't give me the O line excuse because he OBLITERATED the Bills Defense the game prior to that Superbowl with the same O Line..
@@bigchungus1848 and mahomes since has won the same amount of rings the bucs franchise total in the last two years. But celebrate mediocrity with faker mayfield now.
Somebody could've said Jacoby Brisett and I would've agreed before I said Aaron Rodgers đ€Ł
Yo the intro is wildđđ
Qb dont play defense
Mahomes defense has gave up 7 more points than Lamarâs defense and he still win, so yes itâs the quarterback
Keeping drives alive can be a form of defense lol keeping the opposing offense off the field
Did brady?
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Itâs not that ppl canât beat Mahomes, itâs that they canât beat the Mahomes/Andy Reid combo
Then why has Burrow beat them 3 out of 4 times?
@@dominckmaddox7439 burrow beat them once in the playoffs, Mahomes and Andy Reid have a 15-3 playoff record overall. Thatâs insane
Guess we have to wait till Andy retire to know that for certain.
@@dominckmaddox7439one time when it mattered
How many superbowls did Andy win before Mahomes?
Lamar w/o beating Mahomes in the playoffs is still a Hall of Famer, Josh Allen w/o beating Mahomes in the playoffs is just a very good quarterback.
Couldn't agree more. I think if Josh Allen loses to mahomes and the Chiefs again he's finished.
If Lamar beats mahomes he is a made man
Don't matter he's an MVP just like mahomes and only 1 win against him
Facts
So all Lamar has to do is beat 1 guy? What if he doesnât even win a Super Bowl? What if Allen does win a Super Bowl but doesnât go through the chiefs? Does it not count?
the answer is literally everyone lol, but if one person its Josh Allen but its never going to happen with McDermott as coach, Allen plays good every year in the playoffs but McDermott is always out coached and out classed by Andy Reid and the one game against Zac Taylor, the Bills defense always gets torched in zone coverage in the playoffs since like 2017 and they never once changed the scheme and get picked apart by the elite offensive coaches every playoffs. they wasted a lot of years of solid vets until injuries derailed them the last 2 seasons
Aaron Rodgers and a top 5 defense is a recipe for a Super Bowl. Aslong as Rodgers is healthy then the jets gone be in the afc title game
I hope so! Will be must see TV
And gon get spanked đđđ
@@Charles-3900 Everyone outside of Missouri hopes not lol
@@Charles-3900 calm down Nick Wright
Shannon's back! That's what we here for đđźâ€
Itâs crazy how chiefs beat ravens 17-10
And Shannon gives all credit to Mahomes
But when that was Brady everybody always brought up he had the âgreatestâ coach in bill and a really great defense before they would give him any credit
I think your arguments are outdated because after seeing Bill without Brady nobody is seriously downplaying Tom's affect on winning. Had Bill retired after From left then they could've kept that argument alive but not after what we've seen post Brady.
ââ@@Maxrepfitgm Re-read his comment.
I swear KC fans have no idea how good they have it with Reid as a HC, as soon as they hired him (and before Mahomes) he had them averaging 10-12 wins a season with an average quarterback! Go ask Philadelphia how he turned Mike Vick (who could barely complete half his passes) into a Pro Bowl passer who completed 60+% of his passes. Heck, Andy Reid led the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games (and 1 Super Bowl) with Donovan McNabb as his QB. That same McNabb that folded faster than a cheap suit when he left the Eagles.
These fans clearly can't see or acknowledge that they have the best offensive coach in NFL history (and top-5 all time) with an All-time QB, oh and top-5 all time defensive coach. But nope IT IS ALL MAHOMES...
Stephen A takes this segment đŻ
Unc not tryna see Steve Harvey
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Dan was absolutely right. All the Ravens had to do was run the ball, they barely ran the ball knowing the chiefs defensive strength was pass defense and ravens receivers was a poor matchup for chiefs dbs
Lamar has played against Mahomes once in the playoffs lol, why Shannon acting like heâs been a roadblock for him like Josh Allen.
Lamar has lost to Tannehill, Allen, and Rivers (their teams I mean). Fact of the matter is until last season, Lamar was flaming out early in the playoffs so he never played the Chiefs.
12:00 LMFAOOOO
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Harbough is on the hot seat!!!
Shoulda been fired yearssss ago
Stg heâs terrible in situational football heâs a mentor not a teacher
@@husseing466 YEEEAAAAARRRSSSS! These analysts NEVER put into context how Lamar SAVED this man's job.
@@aaronhugz4277 Harbaugh is a cheerleader
Harbaugh has made the ravens a defensive team aslong as I can remember, they are always in games. Fired is crazy.. yess they shouldâve ran more that game.. but donât forget the game was full of mistakes.
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Shay Shay sitting in his room in Houston!
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Let the chaos event letâs go đđđ
Dan makes a good point. Aaron ain't got that much time left he's gotta get one either this year or next year
Dan be going thru it every Monday đđ
DO sitting in his villain pose with his hands together while Stephen and Shannon argue.đđđ
Molly trying to cut Shannon off at the end just to get that NFL acronym in đȘ
smh...
She didn't listen to one word he said, you can see her just sitting there waiting to interject lol
Molly be too focused on telling Stephen A calm down to do her actual jobđ
Top 10 all time is crazyđ
Lamar already broke all time rushing record 2 Mvps top 5 best win percentage Nfl history
Itâs more than crazy itâs nonsense
@@Cheeze410if he wins a SB how is it crazy? Heâs already the greatest dual threat ever
@@missile87redefined25how can he be the greatest dual threat QB when after 2 MVPs we still question his passing ability? If you contain the QB scramble can he pick you apart from the pocket? Be real
@@missile87redefined25 "IF" he wins a SB it's not crazy. At this point considering his inability to produce in the playoffs that's a huge hurdle. I need to see him make a tight window throw in the playoffs when he has to have it to even say he's dual threat.
8:06, Stephen A. is FULL OF IT! with that take. The THREE playoff games Josh has had the lead in ALL of them. In the "13 seconds" game, that's a WIN. Josh did not call the STUPID prevent defense that cost us the game. Last year in the Divisional playoff game, Stefon Diggs FORGOT how to catch the ball, and dropped a pass that WINS the game. The FG kicker MISSED a 44-yard FG that ties the game, and we win in OT. And even in the 2020 AFC Championship Game, Josh took us down to what should have been a 10-0 lead, Bass missed the extra point. GIVE JOSH the kickers that the great Patrick Mahomes has had with Butker and GIVE JOSH what Joe Burrow has with his kicker, McPherson, that WINS the game. But you will see in 2024 Josh has, REMEMBER this name Khalil Shakir!!!!!!!! The next Andre Reed in Buffalo!!!!! And REMEMBER this name, Dalton Kincaid!!!!!!! Let Josh throw THAT PASS Diggs dropped to Shakir or Kincaid with the game on the line against Mahomes or Burrow!!!đŻLET'S PLAY!!!đŻ
Dan got to be trolling lol. Looking like a villian
D.O. had the AUDACITY to say, âIâll pick both of these apart.â đđđ