You Have No Idea of How WRONG Paul Was! Part 1 | Rabbi Tovia Singer
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Thank you Rabbi for coming on. I loved the conversation. I believe Jesus is the Messiah so we disagree. But your scholarship and knowledge of the Bible helps sharpen my faith. Prayers for peace in Isreal.
Two incredibly intelligent men, having respectful, open conversation. This is what the world needs more of. There are lessons to be learned here.
Yeah because Derek doesn't question Tovia's views.
@@Swectorious Agreed. The blind leading the blind!
@@Swectorious neither does Tovia question Derek's views
@@V_George because these are Christian missionaries. they don't accept that Derek just lets Rabbi Singer have his say. Derek is supposed to swat him down with illogical Xtian theology at all moments
Bring the Rabbi back as often as possible. He's great.
Except for that whole religious thing he has going on.
I've heard the Rabbi speak on several of the other channels I enjoy watching, so I knew this would be extremely interesting. Thanks y'all. 💜👍🙏
tovia has a stunning command of the scriptures.and a very modern way of speaking about them.An extraordinary educator. learn a lot.
What is "stunning" is just how much tovia butchers scripture! I've never seen him actually answer a question. He has a stunning command of round about double talk! sad, really.
no he doesn't , he's been caught wrong over and over .
He is wrong on a lot of it, and lying to defend his people. Paul's THORN IN HIS FLESH, named JESUS CHRIST, is LEVIATHAN the Sea Beast who suffered a deadly head wound in Psalm 74:14. Then read Job 41, especially Job 41:4, Galatians 4:14, Galatians 3:13, Hosea 13:4, Hosea 13:7-8, and the Bible literally says JESUS IS THE LION LEOPARD BEAR BEAST 666 of Revelation 13:1=8. Even the numbers of the Verses are Perfect. Zechariah 11, it's Judas on the cross.
@@williamblack3711 no , he's pretty spot on. if you're reading English you have NEVER read the Bible. and don't tell me you're a Latin and classical Greek, Aramaic/Hebrew scholar because i'm calling you out on that right now.
@@EmeraldEyesEsoteric typical Xtian BS --- look JC is here, look JC is there!!! -- but ya'll totally overlook the passages where G-d tells you HE is G-d alone and no one before or after H-m will be G-d, ONLY HIM! I will always take the word of G-d over some faker Roman lover like Paul.
Paul was preaching to Hellenists not Jews. They couldn't make sense of Judaic beliefs in a formal setting.
Paul was a hellinist (Roms 16:11)
Synagogue Preaching:
• Paul often began his missionary work in a new city by visiting the local synagogue and preaching to the Jewish community there. For example, in the Book of Acts, Paul frequently speaks in synagogues, attempting to persuade Jews that Jesus is the promised Messiah (Acts 9:20, Acts 13:5, Acts 17:2-3).
Letters and Epistles:
• In his epistles, Paul often addresses both Jewish and Gentile audiences. For instance, in the Epistle to the Romans, he discusses the relationship between Jews and Gentiles in the context of God’s salvation plan, emphasizing that the gospel is for both groups (Romans 1:16, Romans 11).
1 Corinthians 9:20-22 (NIV):
“To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.”
Your statement is not accurate!
Paul was a Jew
Excellent discussion. Thank you so much for hosting this discussion and thank you so much for coming on to answer questions rabbi Singer.
watching Derek be so patient when he's so low on time. LOL I really love what you're doing here! Your guests are so interesting .
Oooh, a 2-hour one. Now I have good listening material for tomorrow! Looking fwd.
Hope to see you hanging out at the Paulogia, and Dan McClellan channels as well.
Even as an Atheist I love Rabbi Tovia. He's taught me so much and opened my eyes about the New Testament. Derek doesn't wear tzit-tzit's on his prayer shawl lol. I use to make tzit-tzit's for my male Jewish friends. Love ya both Derek & Rabbi! Thank you for your awesome work.👍
Everyone SHOULD love Rabbi Tovia! ❣️🌹❣️🌹
I hope you watch his show on tanach talk on Sunday with engineer host William.
I bet you do. He denies God.
@@randywagner6961lol someone's butthurt that other people don't believe in his bullshit.
Of course you like him... because he speaks against Christianity... Remember the ancient proverb "Enemy of my enemy is my friend "
@@madmanmark8387 Thanks 👍
Yo Derek. Mythvision is the most needed channel in this space. I have ALWAYS considered the most powerful arguments against religion to be the empirical geneology of belief... As exposed by anthropology, history and psychology. You're doing God's work! Lol!
The opening on this was hilarious - great rapport. Love Reb Tovia.
The "Christian" bible was not written by Gentiles or Greeks. "Christians" didn't even exist until long after the first century. The JEWISH NEW TESTATMENT WAS WRITTEN ENTIRELY BY JEWS, ABOUT JEWS, FOR JEWS and the world, and about Israel. The JEWISH followers of Yeshua were called the Nazarenes (sometimes "Followers of The Way") and were just another sect of Judaism that still went to synagogue and celebrated all the Jewish traditions.
Why does Singer not tell his followers the truth?
Better yet, why do singer's fawning followers not do any adult, responsible research on their own?
Many of us are literal scholars - we know the history, have done the research, believe whatever your need/want to to get by. The NT is flawed, has 200,000 variations in the Greek which many of us read, and scholars have agonized over how to reconcile the gospels for 2000 years. They were written far later than the original authors could have written themselves, in Greek and outside of the land. Its a checkmate I'm afraid but keep doing the caps lock, that will really fix it.@@williamblack3711
I love his insights on the application of Hebrew Scriptures in the New Testament or Greek Scriptures. However as a Rabbi he still would preach the Exodus, The Flood narrative. The start of human kind with Adam and Eve. Moses, Noah, David etc. So I question his resolve for history over maintaining his job and or position. I have done alot of work in synagogues in Toronto, they are very profitable. A true historian would not be a Rabbi. As I was also born and raised a Jehovahs Witness, finally did my research in my 40s. Realized everything I believed in was not true. I had to leave. I was an Elder in my church. I had to leave for what I learned was the Truth, not belief.
Glad you made it out the cult. Many never do.
Oh wow, i was raised JW too. I stopped believing their rubbish at about 15 though
Since I learned what a fraud the Bible, especially the old testament was and is, I have had a whole different perspective on Judaism. When you realize it didn't exist before about 150 bc, it really changes the whole outlook. They always portrayed it as being so ancient, when in fact Socrates was older than it was, even Rome was older.
The Hebrew culture and tradition dates back to prehistoric times, and Adam is not the first humanoid in Hebrew culture, but only the last adoration within our cycle in the closest, tangible historical time frame. Learn actual Jewish beliefs, documentation as The oral traditions speak of the world as we know it, and in existence for billions of years
@@Yosaif-IsraelThe evidence for that claims you made are founf where? Torah?
I love when you have him on. It's great to have Jewish viewpoint on that bible.
Very informative and interesting. I'd like to see more of the Rabbi on this channel.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Yeah in a tomb
“Son of man” which man is Jesus a son of?
In Jewish theology, “son of man” (ben adam) simply means a human being, emphasizing human characteristics and limitations. It does not imply divinity or messianic status by itself.
Humanity and Mortality:
• The phrase “son of man” underscores Ezekiel’s humanity in contrast to the divine messages he receives. It serves to remind Ezekiel and his audience of his mortal nature.
• For example, in Ezekiel 2:1, God says to Ezekiel, “Son of man, stand on your feet, and I will speak with you.” This phrase emphasizes that despite the divine visions and messages, Ezekiel is still a mortal human being.
17:58 nice to see some casual Jewish exceptionalism from the Rabbi.
Singer is not a serious scholar. He’s an apologist for his sect of Judaism, which was and is a highly diverse constellation of beliefs and practices.
I appreciate his thoughts on Paul, but find it hard to take him seriously when he advocates just as wackadoo notions about his own exclusionary religion.
Update 1:04:42 he drops some casual homophobia on us too.
Totally agree. 👍
Dovetails with what I wrote above, “I think it’s ironic (and sad) how much time Rabbi Singer invests in refuting the doctrines of a follow-on cult, without realizing he is sitting in the same made-up traditions of a previous false cult.”
🤷♂️ 😂
@@SethHdk That's fine to see Singer in a cult of his own, though not the point of the conversation. The focus is on debunking Paul and Christianity. Leave it there.
I find Singer to be very interesting and a great speaker, but it really is hard to listen to someone try so hard to convince us Christianity is a Hellenistic myth (it's also Persian) while being a fundamentalist in the pre-cursor religion that is re-workings of Mesopotamian, Egyptian and later Persian mythology.
The part at 1:40:00 where he explains that if a gay person resists the "temptation" they get a great reward in the afterlife was too much. I am familiar with this idea but I'm not here to hear how fundamentalism wasted someones life. Yes the gay person was already calling it "a problem" but still, too much.
I would love to see him do an actual debate with Joel Baden or Fransesca Stravrakopoulou.
@@joelrivardguitar He's a partisan without compunction and with an entertaining schtick. He doesn't like Christianity but wants to use his perceived ethno-religious authority to corral gentiles into Noahidism in order to serve his own partisanship. It's what he does. One might say he is a bad-faith actor. Truth he may utter on the matter of Paul or any other in this context will all be downstream from this.
I think you miss the point of having this guy on. He's here to give the perspective of what Christianity is, coming from a devout and educated Jew. I always find him an interesting guest. And I think its a common question among christians of what do the real jews think about this guy. If he's their so called messiah why don't any of them believe in it? Even real jesus believers wonder these things. He has him on to answer this common question. He focuses alot on Paul I wish he would move onto a new topic. But he doesnt have him on to have secular discussions about Judaism. He has plenty of other guests on that can do a better job of that. And singer im sure is also aware of the audience here. I think its cool that he spent 2 hours of his time talking with us. It's always interesting.
Lord Jesus also awaits the rabbi with open arms. ✝️🙏
Tovia understands the Torah well enough to not worship any person but the God of Israel alone. But since you are not a Jew, you are entitled to whatever religion you want (Deuteronomy 4:19)
Seems like an odd argument to make for Paul against Deut 30:14. So while it does say, "so that you can do it" implying it is possible, the very next thing the Lord says is, "however if you turn aside and do not obey, but are lured away to worship and serve other gods." And that's all they do over and over. It seems Paul understood how humans are. Paul understood Gen 3, and Paul saw a pattern repeating over and over. Its possible to win the lottery and many people try and fail.
Good point, but since god is a made up concept and doesn't exist, your point is completely mute.
@@JaysonT1 That's... not a counter argument
@@JaysonT1 MOOT
Paul actually circumcises Timothy in the text, Acts 16
Learned a ton from this, thanks!
“Come, let us return to the Lord.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.
3 Let us acknowledge the Lord;
let us press on to acknowledge him.
As surely as the sun rises,
he will appear;
he will come to us like the winter rains,
like the spring rains that water the earth.” Hosea 6:1-3
@@kpunkt.klaviermusik”If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen the Father.”
Which makes zero sense. @@ericstewart9742
@@kpunkt.klaviermusik Actually, this is referring to Yeshua/Jesus:
2 After two days he will revive us;
*on the third day he will restore us,*
that we may live in his presence.
"On the 3rd day he will restore us" is a clear reference to the Resurrection.
And it is this resurrection that provides the path to redemption and salvation for mankind.
We separated ourselves from God through sin, since Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden.
God sends his Son to reconcile us back to Him, so *"that we may live in His presence"* again.
Yeshua is The Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53. God provides for us what we cannot provide for ourselves.
@@kpunkt.klaviermusik Sounds like you read only comic books. I'd stick to them if I were you.
@@kpunkt.klaviermusik The mystery of the Trinity. God is one, but not one dimensional. "Let *US* make man in *OUR* image" - This is God talking.
Well Derek,you have made a good choice,when you invite rabbi Singer in your show!
I am strongly of the opinion that Marcion was right. Being forced to adhere to the old testament not only cramped Christian theology for 2000 years, but I believe it also contributed to antisemitism because people are always more resentful of people who they perceive as "heretics" than they are of people who have no association at all with the religion.
Right from the get-go, the authors knew well what the reaction of Gentile Christians would be towards the "heretics." The dynamic in the texts between reverence and derision of practioners of the existing religion is ratioed for a reason.
It was always going to be a problem bc it was a Jewish tradition, claiming a Jewish messiah, from the Jewish scriptures. So throwing put the OT would of discredited their own traditions/writings. So instead they went heavy on the allegorical interpretations
@@tookie36 no it wasn't and no it didn't. It actually belonged to the Hellenistic world (as did Judaism really, though it tried to pretend it didn't).
@@john.premose just because it has helenistic influences doesn’t mean Christian could easily get away from the Jewish Bible and all that came with it. As history clearly showed
@@tookie36 they could easily have gotten away from it. The Jews themselves emerged from the Hellenistic culture. Even many of the Jews were merging themselves with it. If it hadn't been for the reactionary Pharisees, they would have disappeared into the nations around them.
There is literally nothing original about Judaism.
"A funeral for their loved ones..." wow, really love that comeback. :)
The point at 39:00 about the Hebrew Bible being either written by God or an anti-semite because of how flawed the characters are can be said of most religious mythology. They are flawed because like the stories before them in older religions are similar. The listeners here are educated and know what apologetics are.
"Why are Hindu gods portrayed as fallible and flawed like Greek/Roman gods?
Among the stories from Mahabharat, Ramayana, Purana, etc I have heard, it seems Hindu gods are very fallible - they make mistakes, they commit crimes, they get angry, they harass people, they get cursed by mortal rishis, they get into fights, etc.
Instances I am talking about:
Rama talks badly with Sita at the end of Yuddha Kanda and Sita scolds him back. So Rama is not infallible
Krishna gets killed at the end of Mahabharat. Krishna also gets defeated by Jarasandha. Strangely, Krishna, the Supreme God, is committing mistakes and is getting defeated.
Goddess Kali mistakenly steps of Shiva and bites her tongue in shame
Indra has adulterous intercourse with wives of others. Indra, god of gods, disrespects Brihaspati and that is portrayed as a bad thing. So, even gods have to respect mortal men?
Numerous instances of gods and rishis ejaculating in front of women, including Shiva and Brahma, part of the Trimurti.
Shiva gets angry very quickly despite the fact that he is supposed to be Adi Yogi, the guy who has become one with the Brahman, the most blissful state. How can such a person be angry?
Rishis get angry all the time and curses people. Mahabharat has a whole story where Krishna saves Draupadi from the possibility that a sage Durvasa might curse her.
What is going on? I understand about rishis, C Rajagopalachari explains that rishis have always been portrayed as flawed because even the most learned in ethics can make mistakes (even though I don't understand how can people united with the Brahman become angry and make mistakes). Why are gods making mistakes, committing adultery, getting cursed, and so on? Even Trimurti, the supreme gods are not exempt from it. Why? Rajagopalachari in Mahabharat doesn't offer a proper explanation. He says that these stories deliberately portray gods as fallible and flawed but doesn't really mention a reason.
Why Greek/Roman gods were portrayed as fallible and flawed is also beyond me. But they are dead religions and philosophers like Plato have raised issues with these stories. But Hinduism is an alive religion and its Puranic and epic stories do not seem to be condemned or commented by a lot of people (iirc only Swami Vivekanand and Dayanand Saraswati rejected them). Why? Why are gods designed to be flawed in Hinduism? Is the message supposed to be that "Only Brahman is perfect. Gods, like humans, are prone to err"? Or is every single bad act of gods, like Brahma's harassment of Saraswati, all supposed to be symbolical?
That would make a good video you should do one
I would suggest you to search { WHO AM I} talk by swami sarvapriyananda on vedanta to understand the crux of hinduism ... the philosophical and intellectual heights of hinduism is unparallel to abrahamic faith systems.. Infact bible and quran are like kinder garden play book when it compared to the upanishads . They talks about mind ,consciousness , nature of reality thousands of years before these semetic cults. . Why do you think people like erwin schrödinger awe inspired by these vedic teachings ? you are trapped in stories of hinduism... and missing its core.. Does that mean these hindu puranas and epics are not important . yes they have its value as stories in hinduism which are vary much connected to vedanta..it is written for the understandings of common people about dharma and karma ..You are bound to the dharma and karma even if you are god born in a human form...
Nice copy/paste
He's point is about the flaws and criticism of the Jewish people in the bible. Not the flaws of the gods. because then why a nation will tarnish its own name? Flaws of gods are irrelevant, and god isn't flawed in the bible. Thats his point
@@Yopleteviv Of course that god is flawed in the Bible? Besides that it uses Mesopotamian stories the actual stories are a mess of god having to kill his creations, ridiculous punishment on all life because people ate fruit, saying permanent slavery is ok, plunder of war, killing of all women, children, babies, and animals in 6 cities.
I live the rabbi. I just wish he would apply his excellence upon his own beliefs and canon, as well.
18:00 😂😂😂 “The Jews have a different level of comedy…this is our domain” I love this guy
While not disturbed by the possible implication that Paul was a hochstapler, I think it's important to point out that Judaism of Paul's time was nowhere near as strictly defined as the Rabbi implies.
First, there was no canon! The canon, i.e., the agreed upon selection of books, emerged much later, perhaps as late as the emergence of the Masoretic text about 1000 years ago. That's 1000 years after Paul. We know today, because of the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, that in Paul's time the books were a loose unordered collection of scrolls that differed in places from the present day version.
Second, there was neither Mishnah-the Pharisaic fantasy referred to as the Oral Torah that the Sadducees rejected-nor Gemara-the endless, hair splitting discussion of the Mishnah. These were written 200 and 500 years after Paul respectively.
Third, Hebrew was already a dead language, so few could read anything written in it. Most people in Judea spoke Aramaic, while the Jewish diaspora and many Jews in Judea spoke Greek. It was on their request that the Tanakh was translated to Greek, as Septuagint first with further books added within a century.
Fourth, there was no Jewish "church" that would adjudicate upon matters of faith and practice. There were many Pharisaic schools associated with recognized Rabbis of the day, e.g., Hillel the Elder, that taught whatever their leader chose. And then there were Essenes and Sadducees who had other ideas and held on to their own observances and practices.
In the ensuing chaos nobody could be certain what actually was in the "scriptures," so someone like Paul could get away with the proverbial "murder." Or, quite likely, he knew no better himself.
Beautiful, thank you.
Great comment
While your history is pretty accurate, to say Paul didn't know better is ridiculous, since he was a Pharisee. As such, Paul went through many grueling levels of religious education. Few could make it past the first level. He would have memorized massive amounts of scripture and known the Torah\Tanakh like the back of his hand IN HEBREW.
Since only priests and Pharisees were still fluent and literate in Hebrew, because religious texts were recorded in Hebrew.
Paul was extremely educated Pharisee, and was literate in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. And since we already know that Paul and the Apostles used the Septuagint, we know what their references were and they would not get away with murder. Paul, of all people, would know the scriptures and what books existed & were used back then were still pretty much what was canonized later.
@@williamblack3711 I think you make too much of Paul's credentials. Neither is it obvious that all Pharisaic schools at the time taught the same stuff or adhered strictly to Hebrew in study and teaching. We have no proof even that Paul spoke Hebrew. All his communications were in Greek and all citations he quoted were from Septuagint.
@@zdzislawmeglicki2262 Actually, Paul studied under the famed Gamaliel, and you had to be considered brilliant for that.
IN JUDEA in that day there was ONLY ONE Sanhedrin. And the schooling to reach Pharisee level was pretty consistent. Memorizing the Tanakh was required.
And even if you think that all Pharisee schools were not the same, or the Tanakh wasn't standard, It DOESN'T MATTER. WE KNOW HE USED THE SEPTUAGINT.
So we know what was used, and that it was consistent with the Old Testament/Tanakh that we read today.
We also know this. If the Tanakh back then was not pretty much what we have today, then the New Testament of today wouldn't be able to affirm and fulfill the Tanakh/Old Testament so perfectly and consistently. And THAT is an undeniable fact.
And yes, we do know that Paul spoke Hebrew. All Pharisees did. That is just a Historical fact.
I think you completely underestimate Paul and the exceptional education we KNOW he had.
He absolutely was literate in Hebrew as a Pharisee. He absolutely spoke Greek and of course Aramaic. This is just history.
Paul isn't the easiest Apostle to understand. Especially since he dealt with such a diverse audience, much more so than the other Apostles, due to his extensive travels. There is a lot more known history than you are letting on.
Derek ask him what will happen to you when his Messiah comes. Maybe he'll tell you the truth.
What do you think we happen?
Really nothing bad is supposed to happen to the average gentile. The bible claims they will see the truth and come to honour god.
My response to the Rabbi - Acts 19:15-17 - But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?”
My response to you would be this: Where is the second witness? And, where is the prophecy surrounding Paul?
Interesting how all the other apostles did what Jesus said and made their focus on going to the cities of Israel, but Paul is writing to all kinds of other countries that no other apostle ever wrote to...Jesus said he came for the lost tribes of Israel, but Paul said he is the apostle to the gentiles. Jesus said go only to the cities of Israel to gather the lost sheep and he'd be back before they made it to the last one (didn't happen by the way). But, Paul goes only outside Israel, and when he finally comes back, he gets arrested for teaching against the Torah, and while claiming that all the ceremonial stuff is over and done with, goes and offers sacrifices to prove to those that keep the law that he is under the law. Just like he claimed in his epistles. Summary; I'll lie to whoever I am with if I can convince them through my lies that Jesus is the messiah. So, why on earth would I trust an admitted liar that uses his deceit to trick people into doing and believing things that are found nowhere in the Torah, the prophets, or the writings?
@@benjaminburbank294 I can tell you have never read the Bible carefully. Paul wrote to churches in cities, not to countries. You show a dearth of knowledge.
How can someone dare say Jews don't believe in or accept Jesus Christ. Christianity began with the Jews before spreading to the Gentiles. It's only fallen Jews that reject Jesus. They are hoping the true Messiah is yet to come. That's interesting and funny, though. Don't forget forget the PROPHETS were and the APOSTLES operated under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This is breaking up his brain- a spiritless messenger of himself. So, between you and Paul, who should be labeled as really 'WRONG '. The inspired by God or the one operating upon the dictates of his human brain.
Don't forget Paul operated on both sides of the divide. First he was employed by the heads of Judaism settings. The Pharisees and the entire leadership then who had the oversight the Torah were satisfied with his job. He continued to impress them until he was arrested by Christ _a shift from the Torah era to the era of the new COVENANT for which Christ is the MEDIATOR. He's served Christ too well till death took him from this world. The priests were impressed with his work and found no faults with him. Christ his new employer too was impressed with his job, so why then do you find fault?
It's the duty of the employer to spell out the job description and only he has the power to say per your job title and job description you have woefully failed. So my learned friend has to learn to flow with the PERFECT WILL of God. Remember Jesus is coming soon. It's a bad habit to be a blasphemer. Thank you. Stay blessed.
Are you the demon is this story?
@@michaelhenry1763 How did you twist that into what I said?
Thank you Rabbi, & Derek Mythvision.
Sure Paul was wrong to sack Pete Best but George and John were there too.
Hooray, you and the rabbi Tovia Singer are doing another show.
Very interesting analogy of the musical artists.
It's very interesting that the Islamic view of the crucifixion believes that Jesus didn't die seems insulting to a Christian despite them regarding Jesus as a prophet and we Jews don't regard Jesus as a prophet at all. I'm glad you 2 got together again for another show. I look forward to seeing the next one.
Rabbi Tovia plays well on the away field, but I’d love to hear him answer, “How many gods are in the Torah (divine counsel; Genesis, Psalms); how much of the origin mythology of the Torah has a thread of truth; should you help you neighbors donkey out of a pit on the sabbath (since we can “keep the commandments” 😂); given that the ketuvim admits the Jews never conquered all of “Israel,” what other than “divine right” is their claim to the contested areas; and on and on. The slap fight between children over whose imaginary friend is tougher gets old.
Paula Frederickson said that the old testament jews where more henotheistic , believing that there where more gods but for them there god was the god of gods.
Well said
@@fingerpickinggoodgod of gods means there are multiple 😂, also yahweh says its ok to kill people which he created in order to please his chosen people..?? I guess hitlers god was also like that so we cannot blame him??? This conversation has no end…😮
..the slap fight btwn kids haha...but Derek doesn't have an imaginary friend ..remember this wasn't such a polemic as it was slow cooking the hypocrite rabbi. Yeah I know...gotta pretend the aura of Francesca Stavro..s book wasn't open in Derek's head
Very true, if Jesus was Jewish then he worshiped Yahweh. The Torah states came from Mount Seir, the land of Edom and the Sashu.
Which there is a 14th century BC hieroglyphics stating that. So it looks like Judaism can possibly be worshiping a late bronze age deity that originated in the trans Jordan on the southeast of the Dead Sea and Sinai.
I love the way @1:19 Rabbi skipped Isaiah 53 when to Isaiah 54.
Silly rabbit, Singer has several videos on 53 and on TaNaKh talk is a recurring topic of convo. Don’t take it from me, go look them up yourself.
@@starlion4756 Also read Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6-7, Micah 5:1-3 and many more too numerous to mention. Jesus is the messiah it is all over in your book.
Thank you Derek for having Rabbi Tovia on again 🙏🙏. I too am an Atheist. I listen to Rabbi on a regular basis as I do you. I have great respect for you both & am soooo pleased we can come together & listen to each other with love & respect for each other. The love for all people that flows from Rabbi is a beautiful thing ❤️❤️.
Singer does not have love.....only when a camera is on him
To Pepper Mint who replied to me that Rabbi only has love while on camera. I am an atheist & can clearly see & feel the love Rabbi Tovia has for all people ❤️❤️. Open your heart & your mind to see the truth please 🙏🙏. We don’t have to agree but we can be respectful of each other my friend ❤️❤️
@@judyforsyth5782 you can't clearly see anything but what you want to see. Have respect for someone who has experienced tovia singer as the wizard from behind the curtain when it's pulled back. If he was good he would have listened intently and prevented a suicide
@@pepperings I would want to hear his side of this story as well as yours. I’m sorry you have gone through this pain I truly am😢😢. I too have gone through this. Have you ever considered that no matter what Rabbi Tovia said to your loved one it would have ended the same way?? I just know I know love when I see it & I see it in Rabbi Tovia. Have you ever talked to him about this?? Please try!! I will not forget you!! I’ll keep you in my thoughts ❤️❤️. Again I’m sorry 😢😢❤️❤️
Judaism has gotten its monotheism and several other key concepts from Zoroastrianism. How could it be the only monotheistic religion?
Yes. And that doesn't even consider Akhenaten in Egypt.
I think it’s ironic (and sad) how much time and energy Rabbi Singer invests in refuting the doctrines of a follow-on cult, without the self-realization that he is sitting in the same made-up traditions of a previous false cult.
🤷♂️ 😂
No...the Jewish scriptures were directly changed & misquoted.
@@PapaDougly Proof? Singer certainly doesn't show any examples. Just sad lies.
Shout out to Lavern and Shirley show
I was waiting for Derek to add "Hassenpfeffer incorporated!" 🤣
@@patricktilton5377haha… great show. At least I know what those two words mean now.
Lenny and Squiggy bizarrely are the perfect personification of Schlemiel and Schlimazel.
"Do you hate gays?" was not the right question to ask. Derek should have asked "Rabbi Tovia Singer, does your ministry attempt to make gay people quit being gay?". If the rabbi gives the wrong answer to that question, this is the last video of his I'm watching.
I got the vibe that may indeed be his take. However, that doesn't mean he didn't have other insights to benefit from. Rare to find someone who agrees totally with every stance you might have - for example, should a vegan only listen to other vegans?
@@TheGreatAgnostic Did I reply just to you? I intended to post on the main forum. Not competent with this platform :( Well... truly I tell you, a whole chunk of what I typed got lost. Is there a character limit or something? I'm not used to post on CZcams, darnit.
The Rabbi conflates the doctrine of original sin which originates from the beginning of the original man with the mistaken proposition that it means a person as a doctrinal matter cannot comply with 10 commandments. He also conflates Paul’s understanding of a mystery with a nearly incomprehensible event - a man proclaiming himself the Son of God and performing great miracles was crucified and rose from the dead, as dispositive that the general proposition is false. If Christ doesn’t rise from the dead there is no Christianity. The rest is academic quibbling.
Hey Rabbi 🤗
Interesting session 🌳
Three days in the grave is according to the Zodiac, Rabbi Singer. The sign of Jonah was the 40 days being 40 years till the destruction of the Temple - that is historical - even though our records have been altered by 300 CE. One has to look back to antiquity to start untangling what we have today. "Romans Proves Paul Lied" - just wrote it - you might enjoy it.
Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). ✝️🙏🌸
This scripture alone should have you running to Hashem if you really understood Tanakh.
Ask the Rabbi about Amalek and what it means for Netanyahu to tell his troops to remember them.
I'm a non-theist and I found Rabbi Singer's perspective on christianity and especially Paul very informative and beneficial. I can learn from him regardless of our differences. Thanks for putting this out.
1:25:38 Judaism may have always been monotheistic, if you separate it from the Hebrew religion which DEFINITELY had multiple gods. El, Baal, Yahway, Ashera...
Where did you get that nonsense from? You mentioned a few idols that G-D prohibited
Read 'The Origins of Judaism' by Jonatan Adler.
There is physical and historical evidence - it is not made up.@@barrys.9040
If you did that then Judaism is far younger than fanatics like Singer will admit. Juat look at the cultist true believer eho responded first. Its so easy for them to deny inconvenient facts in their ignorance.
@@sypherthe297th2 Abraham was the first Jew. What year was he born? People make all kinds of statements without knowing what they are talking about.
@@barrys.9040 No. You're assuming a lot that isn't in evidence by even assuming Abraham actually existed rather than being a figure of mythology. Also, the early Israelite religion shares few similarities with what we would recognize as Judaism. You're engaging in a type of preseantism by contending the religion you know today is what always was. Pretty typical of fanatics honestly. Evidence never enters the equation for you, does it? Well faith is its own prison after all. One day society will be free of all Abrahamists because, regardless of flavor (Christian, Jewish, Muslim), all you bring is hate, destruction, and terror.
Thanks for posting this video. I'm not a big fan of Paul although he had moments. Not to make a defense, Paul was a Greek Jew. The Rabbi says that. Paul wasn't an intellectual or part of the Jewish intelligentsia of his time. He was smart. He managed to create a cogent theology. It has had a lot of toxic outcomes, to put it mildly. Even the stuff that seems innocuous causes a lot of damage like centuries later. I look at how The Book of Romans freed Martin Luther but five centuries later the American protestant is more of the product of economics than of Jesus because of it.
wow. Do you do ANY research? Paul's life is already known.
Paul was the son of a Pharisee, raised as a religious Jew IN Judea.
Paul became a Pharisee, not easy to do. As one of the very few that made it through all the grueling levels to become a Pharisee, he would have been EXPERT in Torah and the Tanakh as a whole, and would have massive amounts of scripture memorized.
Only the priests and a few scribes could speak Hebrew, Paul being one of them, because religious texts were recorded & still written in Hebrew.
The Jews had long since lost the ability to speak Hebrew. The returning exiles spoke Aramaic. And by Yeshua's day, Koine Greek was the "lingua franca" of the empire, with Aramaic still being dominant in Judea, and Greek being dominant as you moved away from Judea. Most people were somewhat bi-lingual, but rarely literate.
Paul was literate in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, as were many Pharisees. He wasn't even close to being a "Greek Jew." But there were plenty of "Hellenized Jews" throughout the empire.
Which was why the Septuagint and Aramaic copies of the Tanakh had existed for a couple hundred years at this time. The Greek translation of the Bible (Septuagint) was translated BY PROFESSIONAL JEWS *FOR* HELLENIZED JEWS. Not for "Christians," who didn't even exist yet, let alone a written New Testament.
Paul, with his high level of mastery of the Tanakh, including the original Hebrew, would be able to see quite clearly the connections between the Old Testament prophecies and Yeshua. And he did. And so did many of the Pharisees, which was why Yeshua was a threat. Who did the resurrection of Yeshua replace? THE HIGH PRIEST (Caiaphus at the time, the one who condemned Yeshua to death) and the whole sacrificial temple system. How bout that. Quite the coincidence, eh? Yeshua exposing their extreme corruption (actually commonly known at this time, but the actual depth was clearly pointed out by Yeshua). AND exposing their hypocrisy. Jesus also disrupted their corrupt money changing business, when he overturned the money changer's tables. BIG hit to their income. THE SANHEDRIN WANTED HIM DEAD.
Well, most of the Sanhedrin. Some Pharisee's saw what Paul did. Yeshua actually fulfilling all the prophecies of the Tanakh, even of Moses. Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus were two Pharisees that we know were secret followers of Yeshua. And Gamaliel was at least against persecuting the Nazarenes.
Do your research please. Your post is devoid of any truth and contains no proof of any of your statements. Did you even READ the New Testament you attempt to opine about? *Because if you just parrot Singer, you'll end up just as much the fool (or liar, or both) as singer.*
And what is meant by the word salad: "the American protestant is more the product of economics than Jesus" ?? That doesn't make any more sense than the rest of your post. You couldn't even explain it.
"For Jews ask for signs, Greeks seek after wisdom, but we preach Christ
crucified; a stumbling block to Jews, and foolishness to Greeks, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1 Corinthians:1:22-25
I am eating so much of a good spiritual bread here! May YHWH bless your, Rabbi Tovia.
wooow. How can anyone believe tovia? He's not telling the truth about Yeshua and the New Testament, because he doesn't even understand the Tanakh.
Example:
tovia has done no research. If he even understood his own Tanakh, he's understand the New Testament.
Example:
Messiah would be born of a woman > Genesis 3:15, Matthew 1:20, Galatians 4:4
Messiah would be born in Bethlehem > Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:1, Luke 2:4-6
Messiah would be born of a virgin > Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:22-23, Luke 1:26-31
Messiah from the line of Abraham > Gen 12:3, Gen 22:18 Matthew 1:1, Romans 9:5
Messiah from the line of Isaac > Gen 17:19, Gen 21:12 Luke 3:34
Messiah from line of Jacob > Numbers 24:17, Matthew 1:2
Messiah from the tribe of Judah > Gen 49:10, Luke 3:33, Hebrews 7:14
Messiah-heir to King David’s throne > 2 Sam 7:12-13/Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33, Romans 1:3
Messiah’s throne anointed/eternal > Psalm 45:6-7, Dan 2:44 Luke 1:33, Hebrews 1:8-12
Messiah called Immanuel > Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23
Messiah spends time in Egypt > Hosea 11:1 Matthew 2:14-15
Massacre of children at birthplace > Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
Messenger prepares the way > Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6
Messiah preceded by forerunner > Malachi 3:1 Matthew 11:10
Messiah rejected by own people > Psalm 69:8, Isaiah 53 John 1:11, John 7:5
Messiah will be a prophet > Deut. 18:15 Acts 3:20-22
Messiah preceded by Elijah > Malachi 4:5-6 Matthew 11:13-14
Messiah declared Son of God > Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:16-17
Messiah called Nazarene > Isaiah 11:1 Matthew 2:23
Messiah would bring light to Galilee > Isaiah 11:1 Matthew 4:13-16
Messiah speaks in parables > Psalm 78:2-4, Isaiah 6:9-10 Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35
Messiah to heal broken hearted > Isaiah 61:1-2 Luke 4:18-19
Messiah priest as Melchizedek > Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6
Messiah will be called “King” > Psalm 2:6, Zech 9:9 Matthew 27:37, Mark 11:7-11
Messiah enters Jerusalem on a donkey > Zech 11:12 Matthew 21:4-5
Messiah praised by little children > Psalm 8:2 Matthew 21:16
Messiah will be betrayed > Psalm 41:9, Zech 11:12-13 Luke 22:47-48, Matthew 26:14-16
Messiah’s price $ used to buy potters field > Zech 11:12-13 Matthew 27:9-10
Messiah will be falsely accused > Psalm 35:11, Isaiah 53 Mark 14:57-58
Messiah silent before accusers > Isaiah 53:7 Mark 15:4-5
Messiah spat upon & struck > Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67
Mesiah hated without cause > Psalm 35:19 & 64:9 John 15:24-25
Messiah crucified with criminals > Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27-28
Messiah given vinegar to drink > Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34, John 19:28-30
Messiah’s hands & feet pierced > Psalm 22:16, Zech 12:10 John 20:25-27
Messiah mocked & ridiculed > Psalm 22:7-8 Luke 23:35
Soldiers divide/gamble for Messiahs clothes > Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34, Matthew 27:35-36
Messiah’s bones NOT broken > Exodus 12:46, Psalm 34:20 John 19:33-36
Messiah forsaken by God > Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46
Messiah prays for His enemies > Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
Soldiers pierce Messiah’s side > Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34
Messiah buried with the rich > Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60
Messiah’s resurrection > Psalm 16:10, 49:15, Isaiah 53 Matthew 28:2-7, Acts 2:22-32
Mesiah ascends to heaven > Psalm 2:24, Daniel 9 Mark 16:19, Luke 24:51
Messiah seated at God’s right hand > Psalm 68:18 & 110:1 Mark 16:19, Matthew 22:44
Messiah a sacrifice for sin > Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-8
MESSIAH RETURNS A 2ND TIME > Daniel 7:13-14 Revelation 19
LGBTQ people come to the church for answers because it is the doctrines of religion that are "broken". It is religion that needs fixing, not LGBTQ people. Love your channel Derrek! 💖
There is nothing wrong with Church doctrine. If the truth had to constantly be twisted and compromised to accommodate everyone, there would be no truth! If LGBTQ people come to church to find answers, they need to accept what they find. And so do you.
Religion doesn't need "fixing." If "religion" changed it's principles to accommodate everyone's changing opinions, it would be useless.
So it's not religion that has to change. It's YOUR HEART. If LGBTQ people come to church looking for answers, then they have to ACCEPT the answers, not try to change them. Or why even bother coming to church, if you don't accept the answers?
The truth never changes. And never will, whether you accept it or not. That's WHY it's THE TRUTH.
@@williamblack3711 Society is not behooved to kowtow to every self-proclaimed prophet and priest who writes a book to subjugate people to their own narrow set of laws. Society governs itself through a quorum of ideas that evolve within reason and rationale. The truth changes when it is seen darkly and crudely by those with limited sight. Matters of truth are more clearly weighed by the heart and by wisdom than by those intent on power and a narrow design on self-rule. The schoolmaster is a guide but not the end all for "truth". Matters of the heart are written in the heart.
@@FlockofAngels First strawman: I never mentioned any prophets at all, "self proclaimed" or otherwise. Or priests.
2nd Strawman: who said any book (I assume you mean the Bible) was to "subjugate people" to their own laws? Is not belief in the Bible VOLUNTARY? Who's forcing you into it's "laws?" NO ONE.
3rd strawman: Since when does the "truth" change? If "truth" changes, it was never "a "truth" in the first place. It doesn't depend upon anyone's "dark and crude" perception, limited or not.
Truth is seen through the heart and WISDOM, I agree. Government, on the other hand, is intent on narrow designs of power and control as seen by our SWAMP in D.C. and globally.
What do "matters of the heart" have to do with your world view, "set of laws" or whatever religion you choose to adhere to? Doesn't common sense and analytical reasoning apply here too? It's not all about "emotion" little one.
YOU DEFLECT sir, from the point I made.
The Biblical worldview as per the Bible has not changed in thousands of years. It is there for you to choose to follow or not. Billions of people through the centuries adhere to it, AS IS and don't see any reason to alter it.
But it is NOT up to you or anyone else to CHANGE the Bible that so many follow. If you don't agree, fine. That is your OPINION and your CHOICE. BUT DON'T FORCE YOUR NARROW & CRUDE VIEWS ON ANYONE ELSE. You are trying to "Control." FOLLOW YOUR OWN SET OF RULES instead of trying to change what others follow.
*Which leads to the point I made; that if anyone can come along and change the "rules" then what good are the "rules?" They don't really exist anymore, do they?*
Big time straw men and deflections on YOUR part. FAIL.
My statements stand.
But please do play again.
@@williamblack3711 A "social quorum" is not following your own set of rules. Please read my response more carefully. Society is following the truth deemed acceptable by the consensus of the people who have to live under that "truth". Have you ever even considered that your "truth" is a lie?
I think the personalities in power perpetuate the living narrative. At the same time we exist as individuals...we are forever the newest testament of The Word.
Matthew 1 is added after Luke, Jesus teachings are focused on the Original Covenant Standards - and Moses spoke of me is Deuteronomy 18:15.
yes except Deuteronomy 18:15 says "a prophet like me," not a Messiah or redeemer. Likewise, the paragraph ends by stating that if the prophet says anything contrary to G-d's law or speaks about other gods, they're to be put to death. How apropos to JC getting killed (if he even existed at all) for stating he's a son of G-d or G-d....sounds about right. but they don't want to mention that part of the passage LOL. more than likely JC is a fiction or just some random itinerant rabbi that was given the status of godhead later on by pagan a-skissers
@@ElSa-fu8bi Many scholars admit there was a man called Jesus (Joshua2), and given the early statements against him by the Rabbi, that alone should cause one to see if they deny Jesus was real, that in so doing they are saying their "sages of blessed memory" who spoke against him were delusional idiots making up stories - strawmen. We have altered records - everyone. Moses appointed Joshua 1, he was not raised up by Elohim for a purpose in turning Israel and mankind from their iniquity. Have you not read "The Valediction of Moses" or "Why Judaism Began"?
onediscipletoanother
@@barnsweb52 "admit" but there's no acutal historical evidence. there's no evidence of Zeus or Mars but people make up stories about them, too
@@ElSa-fu8bi All debate aside - the Decrees of God from 3000 years ago closely match the teaching of Jesus in Matthew. How did Jesus "know" what the record said 1000 years before him? or that so many findings of archeology and history tell a different story than what Judaism gave us all in their "Bible" records, or the records via Rome or Ethiopia? Or that the original standards reflect so naturally to basic human nature?
@@barnsweb52 not true. but you do you, boo
Osea 6:2 King James Bible
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
The interesting thing is that Judaism is not much older than Christianity. It's always presented as the parent of Christianity, when in reality it was more like its older brother.
Now that's a fact! An artifact of the Hasmonean dynasty.
is at least 400 - 500 years older. still significantly older. and according to my opinion and I do respect other opinions. I do think Christianity is the bastard son of Judaism. just like protestant is the bastard son of catholicism
" Judaism is not much older than Christianity" - which of course depends upon what you mean by "Judaism". The returnees from Babylon had their religion - call it what exactly? And their ancestors in the highlands of Canaan had their religion(s) - call it what exactly? YHWH-ism likely is pre-Babylonian but how far back is unclear.
@@TheDanEdwards call it what you want, but it wasn't Judaism
@@mortalkombaty7960 nope, more like 150 years older.
"N33.53" references Numbers Ch. 33 V. 53 (1:32:49): "And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it."
Carrier has made the point that the Scriptures that Paul and the other early Christians had were not the same as the Scriptures that modern Orthodox Jews have. They include variant versions of still-existing books and completely unknown books.
(PT) Paul of Tarsus and PT Barnum--some things never change.
Great 👍
Thank you so much Derek and Rabbi. I hope you'll be able to continue to do what you have done, which is speaking the truth as you see it.
Rabbi Singer is a speaker.
I love the phrase: "hidden verses."
There, but you can't see them.😂
"Hidden verses." hmmm. So you can make up anything you want! How convenient! 😂
So THAT'S where the talmud/oral torah came from! You can't see it, you can't read it in the Tanakh, but it's in there! Like Praego! 🤣
@@williamblack3711 Perhaps I can save some money by sending "hidden birthday presents"?
@@mdug7224 Especially if you pay with "hidden money." 🙂
@@williamblack3711 🤣
@@williamblack3711 ref jeremiah 8:8?
I've never seen Rabbi Singer seem so like a real person, not quite the perfect scholar.
Thanks.
Paul wasn’t an apostle. He lived about 30 years after Christ’s death. He was converted by a vision and traveled throughout Anatolia preaching the Gospel. The Apostles were the 12 closest to Christ: 11 converted Jews and Luke who was Greek (His Gospel is the only one that mentions virgin birth and he was the first to convert non-Jews since most thought you had to be a Jew first). I know Paul was a Merchant before his conversion. Don’t know his prior religion. His letters are in the New Testament. He never met Christ but is revered by the church as the first sort of preacher. Peace!!
Saul see angel of light
*N**33:53*
Numbers 33:53 “Take possession of the land and settle in it, for I have given you the land to possess.”
I was astonished that Singer didn’t figure that out. He is usually very sharp
So was the entire Old Testament, go figure
My thing about St. Paul is that it's pretty funny that the only reason we know who he is was that he was the only guy ever, in world history, before or since, who convinced a bunch of people they could become Jews without getting circumcised 😅
So you think you have to be circumcised to be saved? Mmmm. Interesting. Especially since God clearly states that he will judge the circumcised with the uncircumsized.
Read Galatians chapter three. Then when you get to verse 28, you'll be amazed that Paul said "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Paul never convinced people would become Jews. Also, as you read Galatians, you will also be amazed that Abraham wasn't a Jew nor an Israelite.
@@dougcampbell8379 of course Abraham wasn't an "Israelite"! He was literally Israel's grandfather! Of course he wasn't a "Jew"! He was Judah's great grandfather! 🙄🙄🙄
@@joeyrufo And thus, Paul never tried to convince believers that they were Jews.
@@dougcampbell8379 Abraham and Sarah were Gentiles. 🙂 God didn't choose a nation. HE CHOSE A GENTILE MAN AND HIS GENTILE WIFE.
17:50 i looove his polite roast of Derek's joke
There are plenty of verses showing that Paul is playing both sides, admitting to tricking people to follow his gospel and a multitude of examples of him secretly keep the Torah in front of the Jews and behaving as a gentile when it suited his message. He never renounces Judaism in his own practices. He not only contradicts himself and Jesus both. He became all things to all people, he was a master conman. Much more could be said, but I digress.
Paul never once contradicted himself. Both Paul and Yeshua were torah observant Jews. Yeshua said outright that he didn't come to demolish the law, but to FULFILL it.
Paul never said the law was null and void. What he said was that you can't reconcile to God just by following the law, because no human being would ever be able to perfectly follow it. That is what grace is all about. That was WHY Yeshua willingly went to the cross, and rose again. To provide grace and forgiveness of sins.
The only way to the Father is through the Son. The path of redemption and salvation is not following all the laws, but by accepting Yeshua as your Savior that died for your sins, repenting, and asking for forgiveness. When you do this, following the laws comes naturally.
Paul is every eloquent, but not the easiest to understand. He was an extremely educated person. As a Pharisee, he would have made it through multiple levels of advanced education, memorized massive amounts of scripture, and been one of the few that still understood Hebrew.
The Jews had lost the ability to speak Hebrew. Since the returning exiles, they spoke Aramaic in Judea and Koine Greek as you moved further away from Judea. Only priests and Pharisees still spoke Hebrew because that was how religious texts were recorded. He was also a Roman Citizen and came from an influential family. He was multilingual, and fully literate in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. And he didn't write in the common Koine Greek spoken as the common language Paul wrote in the proper Greek style of the Greek Philosophers.
So read Paul carefully. No one was the expert in Torah that Paul was, and no one knew the Tanakh better than he.
@@williamblack3711 i can understand Paul quite well. He was observant of the law of Moses while teaching things in opposition to it.
He spoke Hebrew to those Pharisees and Sadducees while on trail. It's plainly written in the text. While preaching or teaching that circumcision is of no profit, Paul himself goes on to circumcise Timothy by his own hand. Keep reading and studying my friend, but you'll have to remove the rose colored Christian glasses to see it.
@josephleonardoeamon6198 Actually, you don't understand Paul at all. There are no passages showing Paul is lying or tricking people. Paul preached to a very diverse audience, obviously. All having different backgrounds, levels of knowledge, and cultural norms. Are you sure you have READ a New Testament? You seem quite ignorant of the NT, nor do you seem aware of the culture and history.
What Paul is trying to convey is called being *CULTURALLY SENSITIVE.* As any teacher knows, you can't reach all your students with the exact same methods. Paul had to use different examples to reach different cultures.
And of course Paul would not renounce Judaism. He was Torah observant, as was Yeshua. And Messianic Judaism *IS* pure Judaism. True Judaism. It's not a different religion.
In reality, it's the Pharisees that perverted Judaism and created a "new" religion with the corrupt & arrogant Pharisee's invention of the "oral torah" which is NOT in the Tanakh. Rabbinical Judaism strays away from the Tanankh, NOT Messianic Judaism.
Paul never ever contradicted Yeshua. You show me one single verse where he does. I guarantee you cannot.
I think you need to actually READ the New Testament so you don't argue from a position of ignorance. YOU are the biased one, my friend. Totally. You need to get rid of that bias and antipathy if you are going to be intellectually honest.
@@josephleonardoeamon6198 You obviously don't understand Paul at all.
Show me one example of Paul teaching things in opposition of the Torah. There are none but you can try.
So what if Paul spoke Hebrew to the Pharisees & Sadducees? What's wrong with that? And I doubt Paul spoke to the members of the Sanhedrin while "on the trail" since they did not travel. You are confused my friend.
Paul taught that it's not physical circumcision that counts, but circumcision of the heart. But there is nothing wrong with circumcision per se. No contradictions there.
Keep reading and studying my friend. You'll get it someday, when wisdom softens your heart and you see the truth.
Tovia should come clean about Judaism and how many of the stories are "borrowed" from other cultures.
ROFL, name them. It's the other way around
@@barrys.9040 ..if your too lazy to go searching, stay with what you like bro...heboos lie constantly
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Circumcision and the story of Abraham.
Exodus/Moses.
Adam/eve/serpent.
Ezekiel
Etc.
These all have older origins within other cultures. Mythvision has some compelling videos on it if you enjoy your time here.
Yes Christianity borrowed from Greek mythology. Zeus impregnated a bunch of earth women. Hmm sounds familiar about Jesus's birth.
11th Tablet of the Epic of Gilgamesh @@barrys.9040
Thank u. I learned alot from u Rabbi Tovia. I got my anwwers. Heshem revilled it to me. The God of israel is real.
I'm only 12 min in, but realized that while Paul was educated, the disciples were illiterate. Relying on them to counter Paul talking about scriptures would be pointless. At best they would remember what Jesus had taught them. Paul seems to have crafted his own religion that greatly excited him, but it differs from what Jesus preached as important. And since none of the gospels were actually written or dictated by them, they are largely from the perspective of Greek speaking believers long after Jesus.
Spot on!, Jesus had foreseen this and told the disciples that Satan had asked permission to shift them like wheat!
I was a Christian for about 40 years before coming back to my Jewish identity. During those years, I studied Christianity from within. Therefore, I can say this: I don´t think rav Sha-ul wrote contradicting verses and passanges himself. There where some antisemites directly coming from the Nicean concile where Constantine was among the crowd. And Constantine came from the meeting with trinity, and Yeshua as human, and Elohim the same time. Well, how could Elohim be His own father, and His own son?
Once I found a short passage in the tanakh, stating that "no human ever was able to pay another one´s transgression by giving his own life". Ya, this is witten in the tanakh, and Christianity denies this by the gospel in a diametral way.
Dear people, no cleric ever could catch me to bring me back to Christianity. I remember how I suffered in sorrows according to the "hell" teaching. My family members were no Christians, which always concerned me. This was until an IsraEli told me that there was no word in the entire tanakh which could be translated with the tern "hell". Now it came out: There is no "hell" known in the tanakh.
So, where did come the teaching from? I researched, and now I tell u about the roots of "hell" and "heaven" teaching:
1. The Greek mythology
There was a "Tartaros", which fits the Christian "hell" version more than any other source. The "Tartaros" was thought as a firy place with no escape.
2. The Nordic mythology
Queen Hel ruled over the underworld, and her watching personnel was the dog Cerberus, others used to call it the Fenris wolf. No need to say it must have been the same character.
Caves where usually thought as entry to the underworld. In Gerrman, a cave is called "Höhle". Now putting both together: Hel - Höhle -> hell
3. In the epos of Mahabarata from the vedic scriptures
There was a war between two strains of a big family. At the end, only 3 members of one strain remained. They were picked up by Krishna who served as chariot pilot in the battle. Krishna brought em to a building with two floors. When they entered the lower floor, they saw their relatives from the other strain imprisoned. Asked for an explanation, Krishna said it was named "hell". "But now, you 3,follow me up to the upper floor with name "heaven", where Vishnu joyful awaits u" They looked again to theire relatives, asking Krishna for theire stay. "They will stay here in "hell", he answered. Oh Krishna, in this case, let us stay with em!" Krishna said: "Congrats to u!, U made the test! Now all of u follow me to ur family reunion, and to Vishnu"
Well, now it should be clear why the teaching of "heaven" and "hell" as locations r told how they r told.
The silk road was the classical busines route between Persia and Hindustan. So the ideas fused together to build the today´s teaching on both "places".
Now we can compare what rav Yeshua benJosef really tought on the issue: Yeshua mentioned that we can spread "heaven" within our inner, and around us by doing good things,
Therefore, "heaven" is a quality but not a location.
Yeah ......I love him. He knows the Bible better than most Christians i know. Thanks brother's ❤
Yeah, majority of authentic Hebrews know the Bible better than Christians that’s a given
Rabbi Tovia Singer has debated a few that I have seen and he knows the Greek Testament better than the debaters because they had to go to the Bible while he's got a computer brain and knows it like he sees it in front of his eyes.
Tovia is either woefully ignorant of the New Testament, or a total liar. As a matter of fact, he barely knows the Tanakh.
IF he even knew the Tanakh, then when he read a New Testament (doubtful), he'd have recognized immediately just how deeply connected the NT is to the Tanakh. You'd have to be totally blind not to see it. OR not know the Tanakh very well.
If you know the Tanahk, you'll understand the New Testament. The New Testament completely agrees with, affirms and FULFILLS the Tanakh. It is a seamless continuation of the Tanakh, picking up right where the last prophet Malachi left off, and picks up the genealogy from Abraham to Yeshua.
If you reject anything in the New Testament, you reject the Tanakh. And there is no getting around that fact. Sadly, Tovia doesn't understand either.
Growing up, I always wondered why our Jewish counterparts never seemed to know the Tanakh as well as their Christian counterparts. I used to think that the Tanakh was different than the Old Testament. Imagine my shock when I realized that they were the EXACT SAME COLLECTION of books! Then I realized why. Our Jewish friends spent all their time in the Talmud/oral Torah. Christians spend ALL their time in the WRITTEN WORD of GOD. The Tanakh and the New Testament. And that is the stone cold truth.
If you don't at least understand the Tanakh, you won't get the New Testament either. And vice versa.
@williamblack3711 do you know Hebrew? Why would the Christian Testament be written in Greek and not continue being written in Hebrew? He knows the Bible, both Hebrew and Greek Testament better than most. Your mind is a closed window. Let some air in so you can breathe because you are suffocating.
@@madmanmark8387 The reason no guidance book to humanity has been written for a theological group in Hebrew is because Ezekiel 13 says that will be the case and everything in Hebrew scriptures is 100% true
Paul knew Jesus Christ and met him on the way to Damascus.
paul was not a liar
Yes he was...
Jesus said works save you...
And never said the word grace
@@joesmith7509 you dont know this
Rabbi Singer is the handsome Jerry Seinfeld- am I wrong? Amazing conversation. Thank you!
But he sounds like crusty thr clown’s father.
But Paul explicitly says he doesnt lie. So why would he?😂
Over two decades ago, I read Tovia Singer's article: “Who is God’s Suffering Servant? The Rabbinic Interpretation of Isaiah 53.” This helped me to recognize the true nature of the servant songs. The servant of Yahweh spoken of in the servant songs is the nation of Israel personified, but the servant songs contain text appropriated from a very ancient prophecy about Yeshua. I went on to reconstruct the Dramatic Prophecy.
The why did the rabbis of the talmud/oral torah of the FIRST THOUSAND YEARS all agree that the Suffering Servant was the Messiah? So who was right? And why was Isaiah 53 REMOVED from Yom Kippur, and not even read in the synagogue anymore? And you can't deny that. It's why even religious Jews and even rabbi's IN ISRAEL have never heard of the Suffering servant, or Isaiah 53. And you don't have to believe me. Look at these Native, Hebrew speaking Israeli's being introduced to Isaiah 53 FOR THE FIRST TIME: czcams.com/video/cGz9BVJ_k6s/video.html
Explain that!
.The good Rabbi was very vague about gays for this gay.
He spoke out of a mist like cloud that appeared in my room. After i just was born again saying a prayer in my room wattching the 700 club . Pat robertson prayed it on tv .and i did too and got saved .
Elephant in the room.... The chosen people of God, are currently committing genocide on the Palestinian people, and I haven't heard a word from rabbi about it. I really like rabbi, so I'm kind of disappointed.
The irony is that the Palestinian people are the OTHER people of God, proven by genetic and archaeological science and by actual history.
Bullshit.
Free Palestine!
The problem is not only just Paul the real problem is also Sejanus! /Mikael
Rabbi knows the NT better than most Christians. Absolutely brilliant.
Only someone who never read a New Testament would think that singer knows it. He is woefully uneducated in the New Testament. Which is kinda scary because the NT is so embedded in the Tanakh that you can't really know one without the other.
singer knows neither. Nada, zip, zilch. Sad really.
Exodus 4:24,25 and 26 very confusing. If the bible was corrupted by christians what is the true context of these verses
The great thing about Apostle Paul is that he wasn't a racist, and he made Judaism more inclusive.
This is why he won, while Peter and James lost.
People who are inclusive will often win.
Just ask Genghis Khan.
Genghis was inclusive in keeping conquered warlords in power. They just had to provide him lots of women.
The Jews usually dub Paul as an antisemite.
James the Just didn't lose, he lead the followers of The Way (Yeshua ha Deh Rehkh) for 29 years in Jerusalem until his murder. His importance in this religion has been effectively and purposely written out of history by early Christian Church fathers.
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Summary.
He lost.
Paul opposed Judaism. Today's Christianity is a hellenised religion and the reason why Paul was successful? In his religion you don't need to do anything. No food law, no circumcision, nothing, just believe. Its like earning money for not doing anything vs a full time job.
20:22 yes! He's right! Paul was the first person in history before or since to convince a bunch of people they could become Jewish without getting circumcised! That's the only reason we know who he was! 🤦
😂😂😂😂 only the chosen people talk to elvis
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
Even before I left the entire thing behind, I had issues with Paul.
I love this channel, but this show was like listening to a Spiderman reader talk about how ludicrous Superman is.
That's a perfect analogy for all religions at least the ones where the people take their mythology seriously.
Yeah. It's jarring when you consider what he DOES believe.
Do you remember the scene with Penny in TBBT?
"Oh, crystals are nonsense. But, voodoo! You don't want to mess with THAT!" 😂 😂 😂.
Actually it's like listening to a Spiderman reader talk about how ludicrous Superman posing in a pink spiderman costume is. Big difference.
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Intellectually Singer is just mopping the floor it’s not even fair.
The Rabbi is a Tzaddik
Nope, just a loony fanatic.
@@john.premose He's neither.
@@john.premose projecting your situation😂😂😂😂
@@Yosaif-Israel use some more emojis, that will show me.
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I know I put there special for you so you would be able to comprehend
Acts was almost certainly pre-65-68AD as it ends before Paul’s execution. It’s inconceivable that a post-Paul Acts would be written and not mention his final challenge and martyrdom.
Wonndeeful podcast!
In the world you will have tribulation but be of good cheer I have overcome the world .
Why is it so hard for the Israelis to keep the commandment," Thou shalt not kill."
You shall not murder is the correct translation. Not kill.
LOL tomatoes tamatoes@@madmanmark8387
@@madmanmark8387well luckily the international court has determined that's exactly what Isreal is doing, is that gonna stop Isreal from committing genocide?
I can see the potential for an intriguing debate between Tovia Singer, a theist, and Joshua Bowen, a nonbeliever. I know you have a deep respect for both these men, and it would make an interesting program to see these two debate the nature of the books of Daniel and Ezekiel.
For RABBI SINGER AND ALL JEWS AND MUSLIMS..
NO JESUS
NO PEACE
KNOW JESUS
KNOW PEACE...
AS WAR WAGES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THIS VERY SECOND
Get over yourself.
@@humanistreformationThe "Son of Man" whom Jesus is said to have foreseen before that generation would pass away was NOT himself -- it was TITUS, the son of Vespasian (who was the 'Man' in the phrase "Son of Man"). Read CAESAR'S MESSIAH by Joseph Atwill. Jesus was typologically modeled on Titus, his fictitious career back-dated 40 years from the time of the Jewish War by the Flavian propagandists who concocted the New Testament.
Thomas Jefferson believed that Paul basically began the trend of mucking up Jesus teachings with supernatural and contradictory nonsense.
❤ Rabbi Tovia Singer.