Female Custodes and Loose Lore: thoughts from a shareholder
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- In this video I offer a different perspective on the recent controversy over female custodes: that of a shareholder and why Games Workshop shouldn't be too eager to make changes to deep lore for an Amazon partnership.
Hey GW, give this man a job!
he's a shareholder, is that paying yourself?
Why?
Yes i agree on this. I dont own any shares, but i do see this the same way. Ever since the amazone show anouncement i have been very afraid of something similair to the rings of power. And yes the got a great fanboy who loves the lore, but i dont know if henry cavill has the say in all of the "creative" input of this show. Lets hope that GW understands this and that they think hard on the collab with amazone. Thnaks for this👍
Thanks very much for the feedback. It’s good to know there are others who see things in a similar way 👍
Big like man 👍.Fully agree with you.
But I would like to know why? Or who did this change? Amazon? writers at GW? Blackrock?
Is this temporary thing? I'm just like to know where such a out of nowhere come from.
I guess time will tell...
Thank you for the encouragement to make these videos! I'm in the same boat as you - currently we're just getting rumors that aren't official and so the reasons behind all of this are speculation. I would like to think that GW are interested in maintaining some degree of consistency with their lore, so it makes sense that this is being pushed on them by Amazon. I doubt Blackrock would care too much about the lore of Warhammer 40K and would be more interested in it remaining a highly profitable money machine, but maybe I'm naive on that front.
Time will definitely tell! :-)
so did the female custodes thing come from the amazon stuff?
That is the rumour (not sure if it is true). Amazon allegedly wanted to see women in power armour and sisters of battle didn’t cut it for them.
@@GRMDRK_inc good to know.
Unless Amazon was somehow involved in 2017, no. The writing staff wanted it for years.
Amazon might have just influenced GW corporate to finally lift the ban on it so the writers can do their thing
@@GRMDRK_incIt was a fake rumor. The claim that it was Amazon’s doing was from a fake 4chan leak, the one that ended in “You can trust me, my dad works at Nintendo.” It was meant to be a joke post, but a lot of people took it seriously, without regarding the punchline, and now, it’s spreading as misinformation.
Thanks for letting me know @ferdinandavila-soto7233 - I saw the 4chan post read on another channel, but may have missed that it has now been uncovered as fake - do you know if the original poster has confirmed that, or is it just based on 4chan being unreliable / not credible.
Slaanesh has overtaken much of Games Workshop. Call in the Inquisition!
GW shouldn’t sacrifice their unique & characterful settings just to appeal to a brand of modern politics that less the half the population even like.
I agree with you. I struggle to see why people want to insert their current day utopian ideals and values into a dystopian setting in the distant future.
@@GRMDRK_inc they are political extremists that live & breath activism.
do you know g.w is making a new Custode boss model, it is Custode Dylan Mulvaney with a tin of Bud Light in hand. and with the next 12th ed Adeptus Custodes Codex , Custode Dylan Mulvaney will be killed off, and then move to the 12th ed Slaanesh codex and has becomes a Champion of Slaanesh.
this is a way it could spread to all army's in 40k. i hope not. and do steal my lore g.w, lol.
You just contradicted yourself with the gender don’t matter bit. With that in mind the imperium should get their hands on whatever bodies they can regardless of gender (they already do).
On the matter of female custodes I would argue that the change is actually good and helps enhance the current lore. The emperor’s vision for the future of humanity is not what the imperium has become, but the custodes are different. Custodes isolated from the imperium, and are made to be the image of what the emperor wanted humanities next evolution to be. An example of what humanity at their best meant to be the future leaders.
To that end custodes should be leagues different from what you would see in the imperium and be superior in many ways. By showing that there have always been female custodes, it shows that the imperium of the past was much more advanced and powerful. The fact that they could make a human that far overshadows the already deadly space marines regardless of sex is a testament to that and contributes to how stagnant and loss the imperium is.
As for breaking the lore, while it is true that GW could have and should have done a better job introducing female custodes (though it’s really no different then how they introduced other retcons), the female custodes change very little of current lore. All there was to counter their existence was some male leaning terms like sons and brotherhood, and to be honest those are actually really easy to rationalize away if one simply treats the terms to be more gender neutral and account for the lore largely being told by unreliable narrators. The creation process for also helps justify their existence, as mysterious as it is. We know that Custodes do not use a gene seed, which is the biggest reason space marines are all male, but we do know that the process is unique and far more advanced which can easily explain why female can undergo the transformation. This in turn further show that custodes are from a better age of man and furthers separates them from the more “mass produced” space marines.
In short female custodes are actually good because it helps show how far the setting has fallen and doesn’t hurt the lore much because any evidence to counter their existence wasn’t that strong in the first place.
Hi! Thanks for the well written and thoughtful reply!
I take your point that the comment about the imperium not valuing human life let alone your gender sounds like a contradiction. The point I was (clumsily?) trying to make was that diversity quotas amongst Space Marines doesn’t appear to be a them in 40k. I mean, the Imperium is a pretty flawed place (that’s the dystopian setting). Everything has devolved to a futuristic version of the dark ages with the equivalent of warrior nuns and monks. There’s clear gender division in the roles of men and women in the Imperium.
This doesn’t mean that Warhammer 40K can’t take things in new directions going forward: take the creation of Primaris Marines for example. But retcon to core lore, that’s bad news IMO.
Regardless, if it ends up bringing more people into the hobby, then that’s good news for GW and good news for shareholders. My fear though is that this is not a marketing analysis that GW actually put much thought into.
Again, really appreciate your comments, it’s good to understand how other fans see things ❤
GW has changed the deep lore of their setting dozens of times (in the beginning 2nd-3rd edition there was almost no consistent lore). They have introduced dozens of models NEVER seen in the lore that apparently were always apart of it. Also their share price now is almost as high as it has ever been. I don't see a problem.
What you are missing is that the grim darkness of the far future is and has always been a parody of the worst aspects of reality. And guess what, women have been apart of those things too.
Also amazon trying to change warhammer lore? that sounds like BS to me. Do you have a source? (preferably one that isn't some anti-woke conspiracy youtube channel).
Hi @sockylogic2014, I agree with you that over the years the lore has been loose as 40K evolved and developed a wide and deep fiction through the Black Library. I understand that some of the very early miniatures for Rogue Trader included female space marines, but that's sort of disappeared for one reason or another as the lore evolved.
The share price is doing well and I hope it continues to do well and the company thrives, but I don't think that means that the company can be complacent and I don't think that justifies lore changes that don't have: (i) good strategic reasoning; and (ii) aren't driven by GW (rather than an external partner).
I'm not sure I understand your comment about 40k being a parody of reality - can you elaborate on that? I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts here.
With respect to Amazon trying to change 40k lore, no I do not have a source, I'm just going off the rumours that are bouncing around online. I acknowledge they may not be true and that 4chan (where I believe the rumour emerged), may not be very reliable.
Finally, appreciate your thoughts and time taken to comment here.
@@GRMDRK_inc Thanks for responding and I hope i didn't come across a s rude. Tone can be difficult to portray in comments and I have haven been dealing with some genuine bad actors around this subject.
To explain the parody aspect I suggest reading the article on warhammer community titled: The Imperium Is Driven by Hate. Warhammer Is Not. Basically everyone in 40K is the bad guy. Yes individual people can be good, but these are small and insignificant amongst the back drop of exterminatus, xenos, and chaos. We as players engage with the content knowing that its bad, not glorifying it (see the time when a skin head nazi was banned from warhammer tournaments). At its core the grim dark warhammer setting is anti-fascist, anti-hate, anti-sexism, etc because those people in the setting who do the bad things are the bad guys.
Introducing a women in to one faction doesn't change or water down anything. (Sometimes lore changes are done well other times not, i think the introduction of female custodes could and should have been better. But i 100% support the addition of 8ft tall muscle mommies) The fundamental reason why many factions are all male is due to corporate marketing towards boys and GW not want to invest the money in new designs or models. Its not a lore thing, its remnants of 1980s marketing choices.
Hi @sockylogic2014, no you weren't rude at all and I appreciate the thoughtful reply. I agree with you 100% that the setting of warhammer 40k is a dystopian nightmare (and there are no "goodies" for lack of a better word) and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be open and inclusive of players and enthusiasts from diverse backgrounds. I support the "Warhammer is for Everyone" slogan that GW rolled out a few years ago.
I agree there are heaps of opportunities to have strong female characters in 40k and any TV/movies that come out down the track. However, I think this needs to be driven by GW and done with sensitivity and strategy. I'd be horrified to find out that GW were bending lore without a great deal of thought just to appease Amazon as their partner. There needs to be mutual respect between both parties, with Amazon respecting GWs lore and IP and GW respecting Amazon's need to make a product that can be marketed to a wide audience. Hopefully, these rumours are blown out of proportion and the end product will be amazing.
Again, really appreciate your engagement and for the great discussion :-)
Whingeing isn’t interesting.
I appreciate the irony of the comment :-)
One has to wonder , why all the gay propaganda in IP that has a lot of young kids? Oh I know…..