The RED PILL of golf. Perception is EVERYTHING! {This Will Blow Your Mind!}
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THE RED PILL OF GOLF. Dustin Johnson, Rory McIlroy, Joaquín Niemann and Cameron Champ all swing this way. How you swing the club is a matter of how you think about it. Many people say this has completely changed transformed their golf swings. This is the secret to golf.
You cannot swing the club effectively if you believe you are ABOVE it. You must swing it as if it is ABOVE YOU or that you are under it.
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Golf should not be a struggle. Golf should not be hard. Golf is easy if you know the secret.
The more I think about this, the more I think this is the key to Mike Austin's swing. Mike Austin never mentions this secret to golf. Now that I've made this video and revisited some Austin's videos, I can see this is what he's doing.
Baader-Meinhof is weird like that. There's a lot of it in golf.
After reading this you may experience Baader-Meinhof about Baader-Meinhof, itself.
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I think the best part of this video is the very end. That side view tells the story.
Couldn't agree more! It's brilliant. In all the years of watching golf videos, no one I've ever watched has ever presented the swing like this. Now it makes complete sense. I can't wait to give it a try!
This has totally changed the way I thought about swinging a golf club, I've only completed a few practice swings but already I can feel a snap when the club bottoms out rather than a slap at the ball, if that makes sense, amazing thanks
I agree!!!
Love this one ! I’m the ultimate chronic over the topper until I discovered your videos! Thank you 🙏🏻
@@ynwared493 lol
Why has no one said this before? This is simply the best explanation of over the top I have come across. Great videos. Keep up the good work.
Dude you are genius !!!!!!!!!!!
Brilliant! You come up with insights that I've never heard anyone else express.
This is great! It really reminded me of Moe Norman’s master move which I didn’t understand when I first saw it. He described it as a vertical drop but it’s the correct rotation of the right forearm that I hope will be the key for me.
You explained this a few years back to me, I'm so glad you made a video on this concept, this is definitely what most amateurs do wrong cause they are looking down at the golf ball, keep it up, cheers.
I think I understand this now. In other words, would this be like thinking you're below means you naturally would EXTERNALLY rotate your shoulders and thinking you're above the club would INTERTNALLY rotate your shoulders?
Yes, I do believe that would be correct.
You keep coming up with these amazingly creative ways to teach the key thing that other teachers almost never address - perception, what it looks and feels like from the first person perspective. Game changing.
I agree with this, the holy grail tip was a system in and of itself
I get something new every time I watch this video! Thanks again!!
Martin Ayers taught this move several years ago, but he never explained it as well as you did here. Thanks for a great video and site.
That's exactly what I was thinking too. I just couldn't get his explanation of the forearm move as well as this one.
Yeah the hammer throw idea. Steve Elkington talks about a twirl of the club at transition which also causes external trail shoulder rotation etc etc
Greg’s explanation explains the why and why not, he should be a household name by now
Glad I discovered your channel. You give the most perceptive analysis of swing mechanics I have ever seen. The under versus over feeling to reach the correct swing path is a concept no one to my knowledge has discussed before.
Thanks! I agree but now I'm seeing more and more instructors talking about my methods but calling it their own.
Setting up with my trail elbow very soft almost against my body has helped me so much with this concept
..."Many people say this has completely changed transformed their golf swings." ... I am now one of these people. Thanks so much. This is making it so much easier. Signed - very long time struggled hacker/slicer . Much better at straight shots now.
This is gold. Been playing for forty years and got as low as 3 handicap. Had illness and now 14. Never ever really understood the swing until watching your excellent videos. Went to the range 3 times (300 balls) since watching the first video. Got my love back for the game. Was striping it with my irons but having trouble repeating it with my woods. A big help was your thought “think of the right hand staying above the left”. Never before have I had the freedom to swing the club so effortlessly. A long way to go but already but really enjoying these range practice sessions. Would appreciate a video on the woods and driver but I guess it’s just me as I’m sure your instruction works the same for all clubs. Can’t thank you enough for these videos. I am back from the wilderness! One more comment.. it’s so relaxing to watch your instruction videos as they are presented with such a layback style😀 Regards from Downunder😀
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People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation.
I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well!
Your best video yet! “The move” that so many teach is really based around these physics. Good stuff. If you don’t get this, your probably not being efficient in your swing.
Seems like I'm the only one that doesn't get it.
@@thephotographer539 I hope he will do more videos on this subject because it is truly "night and day" differences in how the swing is supposed to be as compared to how most of us amateur players swing the club. I've watched this video at least 20 times to completely understand it but 10 years ago I wouldn't have understood it either. Literally 80% of the swing is below the club. What your wrists/club feel like initially is that they are swinging in reverse, but the truth is that initial "reverse" feeling is what initiates a ton of club head speed. It also produces a shallow swing which will give you maximum ball compression. I think all pro golfers do it to some extent, but the way he explains it makes the most sense to me. Moe Norman talks about the vertical drop which is basically the same thing. The whole idea is to feel you are under the club as opposed to being over the club (like most high handicap players). I hope that the light bulb will go off for you on this concept because it will tremendously affect your golf swing.
Man you are Brilliant! This is exactly my struggle, I feel like I'm on top and I know I should be under it. I feel like I'm going to leave the face wide open. Definitely going to work on this.
Many instructors point out keeping that right elbow tucked into your side (Hogan, Moe Norman, etc), but you're the first one I've seen explain the difference in rotation of the right arm (CW vs. CCW) and how that influences the swing path. Huge gamechanger. Being a huge fan of the Matrix, the Red Pill analogy is terrific! Thank you Morpheus!
Thanks! I think just about everything I do is a red pill. Yeah, tucking the elbow without knowing why is ridiculous. I worked on the Matrix Reloaded.
9:30 My dad, bless him, taught me this when I started playing golf in the 1970s. He repeated time and time again that I had to go "under". I can still recall the disappointment in his voice all those times I got it wrong...
It took me a long time to figure out how to describe this.
Great to hear someone talking about this. I first came across this concept with Martin Ayer and his most powerful move concept. Returning to golf after 7 years. Have been trying to figure out how to translate these great feeling from swinging underhand (& over head) to actual golf swing.
Bte moe norman also mentions part of the movement u show as his magic move. Pulling the butt of the club such that the club is always gonna fall away from target backwards to the ground inside of towards target. The video is on todd graves's channel. Moe has a unique right hand grip though.
Would love to see more videos from you about this move. Also with irons instead of driver.
Great stuff!
I did some practice swings, actually more than some, and this feels like real wisdom. (This added to the Holy Grail). I never thought of "underneath" before, (how could I; NO ONE has ever explained it that way), but it feels just right, can't wait to try it on the range and in a game. Mr. OverhandGolf has offered some explanations and insights that I can only describe as exceptional.
Fantastic insights! Thank you.
Looks like Kawamura likes your move too.
This is your description of how the the club travels to the ball is so default to understand. But the other day I shot a 74 one under my age. I shot a 84 the next day my average. I couldn't remember how the club traveled so I'm watching your video again. Thank you
First time I every heard anyone why the hand has to travel that way! I have heard a billion times that the elbow has to lead but you can still have the hand rotate over to produce over the top. This certainly makes sense that the how the hand travels and the elbow leads works together.
So I've watched the video like 12 times now. I have to say, I am more and more impressed with the information contained therein. In particular, the portion that begins right around the 5:30 mark. I've been letting that idea sink into my head. It seems like there is no chance you will hit the ball correctly but I'll be buggered if it didn't hit the ball farther with a lower trajectory (All of my shots are moon shots normally). But more importantly, it felt like the ball was struck "behind me". It felt so different than other swings. Totally night and day, I just hope I'm on the right path.
Welcome, Neo. The red pill worked.
Great stuff. When you demonstrate this you can see Moe Norman's vertical drop.
I guarantee you when they first try it, most people will shank it or push it a mile to the right. Hopefully they video their swing as feedback and realize how much better their path and body movements look. This movement is absolutely correct! They then need to adjust their grip/squaring mechanism of the face...not go back to 'over the top' to prevent the ball from going to the right. Lots of great insight in this video!
I didn't notice until I watched it but if you see the demonstration at the very end - when I'm rotating the club the wrong way my shoulders don't move but when I rotate it the proper way my shoulders rotate with it.
Hey duke cienda. Please check my comment above as I am always struggling with what you describe here, and have tried to explain my perception of it in my comment. It seems to me that almost all instruction doesn't talk about this. They might say 'turn the screwdriver' or 'bow the wrists' or 'flex the back of the trail hand' as the 'squaring mechanism' you mention but I struggle to achieve that when moving body and club correctly and using these quick fixes. I feel I would really like to understand the overall concept better. I have a neutral to strong grip and have been told it is good by teaching pros but I often have the problem you mention and shank/heel it nonetheless.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf What duke cienda is describing is exactly what I am trying to describe in my comment to you above. If you know what I mean I reckon you could make a cracking conceptual video about it.
@@Chris_Traynor I don't believe you grasp the concept yet. You are still result oriented and not task oriented. The golf swing is over before you can conceptually 'square the face'. When you understand being under the shaft at the beginning of the downswing, then physics is what is going to square the face. Keep digging.
@UC38fA2XethU51ga6HrkGDmQ I shanked a few. What grip adjustment do you recommend??
I found this out 20 years ago. And I was told to never do this. As it felt like high school baseball to me. It’s so powerful, and consistent. Really feels like I’m hitting a low inside fastball.
Great video
Yeah, you can see this move in some modern great players like Cameron Champ. I love his swing!
Another gem. I first read about this many years ago in a U.K. magazine series written by an Amateur.!,,. His explanation was your eyes are above the swing plane your hands are below it.
It’s overcoming this optical illusion that’s the challenge. Just recently some teachers in Europe advocate training with the “no look shot” you address ball as normal then look not at the ball but look out horizontally. By doing this the optical illusion is gone. Some people hit proper shots for the first time in their lives.😀🏌️♂️
Yes! I'd like to read that. I had never heard anyone ever address this problem in the way I have here. I'm sure others have figured it out, I just haven't found them. It's hard to look for something before you know exists.
Overhand Golf . I still have the magazines somewhere and if you give your email I’ll try and get a few pages to you.
@@ulster7717 OverhandGolf@usa.com That would be great. Thank you. Although, my ideas are unique to me I doubt I'm the first one to ever think of them. What puzzles me is how these ideas get lost in time. I suppose it's because there are so many long standing but incorrect perceptions about the golf swing. Those that don't fit in get forgotten.
Overhand Golf . Will do. Why do these ideas get lost?. Because most teachers learn the game as a kid. They can do IT but they don’t know how they do it. I have a library of golf books and the most interesting are those by amateurs who had to Find their game. Particularly those who took it up later in life.
You explain things in a way that no else does. Great job!!! New golfers pay attention to this.
A lot of comments mentioning Moe Norman but I think this captures what Jack Nicklaus has said about 'releasing' as soon possible too.
We're all hitting down at the ball but this is an unwinding from the top of the swing.
I’ll have to watch this several more times before it completely sinks in. The side view starting at 10:40 really helped.
It’s a lot to wrap your head around … I know.
Wow man I love all the different ways to think about the golf swing! Excited to try it out
This is helpful. I think another reason people ott is when you swing properly (lead with right elbow) it feels like the clubface is coming into impact too open. Its hard to trust the natural close. So people try to help a little leading to trouble.
You are correct, sir! I have a plan for another video that will cover that.
Is it the right time of year to be pruning citrus trees in Cali? This is an idea that a lot of golfers just cannot fathom, but the fact is that the tool is designed in a certain way that 'it will swing you' to some extent if you do this move right. Cooper Osborne talks about it with the Fibonacci Spiral...that move in the correct direction allows the tool to do what it is supposed to do, so it squares up and releases naturally...otherwise you would break your wrist. Nice vid.
Don't want to sound like a corny testimonial, but this resignated so much that I saw instant results in my drive and accuracy in my irons. Thanks! Love the videos.
Great, teaching and a great way to explain it.
it's like an epiphany when you did the over the club swing. Now I want to leave work early to go to the lab and work on frankenstein's monster.
This is exactly what Now Norman has been saying but never explained in this way 😱🤯
If you have high enough ceilings, I cant think of a better indoor drill than what you are doing at 6:00 to feel how we are underneath the club. Added benefit is that you feel the dynamic position that the club passes through at the top of the backswing. Awesome concept and video.
great catch, check where the clubface is at impact....square to target line!
Holy shit! This is what I’ve been looking for. Such a crystal clear mental image.
Really??? I have no idea what he's talking about . . . !
A fantastic example of the hand work in the golf swing
Best explanation I've ever ever heard regarding. 'the move" at the top. Thank you
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People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and thousands more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under.
My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well! Thank you.
Perhaps weird and strange ! But for me, it’s make a huge difference and you’re smart and clear again. Thanks a lot.
You have a great way of explaining the same concept in unique ways. For example, this video of swinging underneath the club is just another way of explaining the Holy Grail concept as well as how you swing the club to the right of your body. As a former teacher for 37 years, I was always searching for all sorts of different ways to explain the same concept so that my students would have the “aha” moment and get it. That is what you do with your videos. Watch enough of them and the light will come on. Great stuff and thanks for sharing.
Thanks. I have some interesting new videos planned. I think they'll really blow some minds.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Looking forward to them! It’s like I’ve stumbled across Shivas Irons from Michael Murphy’s Golf in the Kingdom, a golfing mystic who has unlocked the mysteries of the golf swing.
@@RiseUp1000 I think I need to read that book. It sounds like I should be blushing. Thank you for the compliment.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Golf in the Kingdom is a 1971 novel by Michael Murphy. It has sold over a million copies and been translated into 19 languages. Golf in the Kingdom tells the story of Michael Murphy, a young traveler who accidentally stumbles on a mystical golfing expert while in Scotland. - Wiki. Great book! You should read it!
@@RiseUp1000 It has to be fiction because I've never been to Scotland. I'm joking, obviously, but is it a book of instruction in a story or is it just a story with no instruction. I'm thinking it might be like a golf version of "Kung Fu" or Karate Kid. Where the student is somewhat unaware of what they're actually learning.
The best explanation of over the top ever.
I like the concept. Just need to put it in practice on the range. Many thanks for the advice
really works! I now can think about smashing the ball without an over the top move. thanks
Hi Greg, I know this is an old video, but I must comment on how it has transformed my swing. Awesome, just absolutely awesome. It also has helped cure my early extension as when you perceive the ball to be below you, your body will try to make room for the swing ( if that makes any sense)
I used to watch your videos all the time, but I must admit that golf instruction is like a child in a Candy shop. You are always distracted by other things that look good. However, since I've learnt my lesson and have come back with my tail between my legs, my game is back on the up.
Regards, Paul
This is an oldie but a goodie. You can always come and join the academy. I've got a lot more videos like this and more that cover all topics as deeply as I can. Here on CZcams I tried not giving away all the secrets. I kept some for the website. OverhandGolf.com
I will certainly give it a
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Just found this channel. Your theory makes perfect sense to me, can’t wait to try this out tomorrow.
Brilliant ... finally, I understand what's going on with the trailing elbow in the swing. Change your perception, change your results. Thanks so much for making this clear. =)
Yeah, this was a good one!
Who is this guy ? That was a GREAT explanation. After one of his videos , I read a fan refer to him as Greg , but that was unsubstantiated and not repeated in subsequent videos . As he ( Greg ) admits , his approach is not a rubber stamp lake Hank , David or Butch , but its an approach that most of we golfers can identify with . His swing is easygoing and he states that he is 6' 3" & 235 . So with that size and a smooth swing , I think 300 yards is almost a given . It's nice of him to take the time to show all of us how it should be done .
Thanks. Yes, my name is Greg. I am 6'-3" but no longer 235 lbs. I now weigh only 185 lbs and I don't hit the ball nearly as far as I used to after contracting an infection from my cheating wife that severely effected my kidneys. I finally got the infection diagnosed and treated but I'm not sure I'll ever regain full mobility. It's been months now since I received treatment and I'm starting to get my mobility back, which is one reason I haven't posted any videos lately. I'm hoping to get back to full strength again someday and making and posting new videos.
I never really got why you changed form G scribble (or whatever it was) to overhand golf but this video explains this.
When you see the golf club above your hands and you don't swing down at the ball the swing just becomes amazing, awesome.
I thought I'd made a video explaining it but maybe I'd only thought about it. So, now you understand. BTW the name of my channel originally wasn't anything like it is now or when you found me. A while back Google combined CZcams and Google accounts into one and renamed my channel with my google account name. I never wanted that but there was nothing I could do, so I remade the whole thing into Overhand Golf. Also, I thought people might think, "Golf overhand, wtf? I gotta check that out."
Larry-San Diego) I have watched a number of instructional videos on CZcams and found your site. This video was a real eye opener for me and cant wait to incorporate into my next practice sessions. Any insight as to the number of repetitions to ingrain. Consider to a video on a Holy Grail practice plan?
My passions in life are baseball and golf. And this was the video that for me finally eliminated the mystery of hitting both a baseball and a golf ball. I thought I knew it all, but things would still go wrong. I now realize that both swings depend upon rotating the right forearm in a clockwise direction (from my perspective) at the beginning of the forward baseball swing and during the beginning of the downswing in golf (as long as the lower body starts each swing). This move flattens my downswing, enables me to hit the ball more from the inside, creates more lag, and also eliminates the slight chicken wing in my follow through that I was always fighting. This is DEFINITELY one of golf's secret moves. I always knew about the importance of hitting from the inside, but your video really lit the light bulb over my head. And you probably have no idea how well this move works when hitting a baseball. The golf swing (and the baseball swing) are overhand motions, I now see it more clearly than ever. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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My wife keeps saying to me, “If it’s so valuable, why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
With your help, I’d like to prove her wrong.
Play well! Thank you.
Look at this Baseball swing instructor, he is 64 yrs old and coaches Aaron Judge. czcams.com/users/shortseD58NmZHFAQ
Excellent explanation. Very recognazible at 9.45. I've been sticking a wrench into my swing for years. Hence (probably) my lack of distance and effort to get the club to the finish after impact. I imagine (not sure) that an OTT swing is much less evident in golfers that swing righthanded but with a left dominant pulling arm/hand. Now I understand what ''over the top'' really means. Thanks
Just tried 10 shots doing what he said and wow!!! Awesome explanation. Absolutely amazing!!!!?
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Brilliant. You are talking about me in this video. In all of your videos actually. I am over the top, casting, etc, doing everything wrong.
simply best coach of the year!
I dropped on this video by chance. What a revelation ! I have been unable to get any consistency for years as a function of doing exactly what you explain - perceiving the hands on top of the shaft. I have never grasped how to get a square face at impact and then move to the recognised fully extended position. None of my lessons here in the UK solved that one jot. This does, because I have tried it out this afternoon! I have also learned what Baader-Meinhof phenomenon is too (google). Thank you.
Thanks for passing on the insights that will help all of us, not just me. It is amazing what you have uncovered and explained has not been passed on by golf instructors as a basic understanding of the golf swing during the early stages of learning the game. Your video on the importance of perception reminds me of this famous saying.
“It’s not what you look at that
matters. It’s what you see.”
Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
American essayist, poet and philosopher
Hmmm, I think in golf "It's not what you see that matters. It's what you believe you see."
I think it's a sequence issue in golf. You first have to see [meaning have a clear perception of the key moves (the fewer the better) in a sound golf swing]. Then you try it out and do it enough times and discover it works. It is actually making you a better golfer. With that success comes belief (and in golf that translates to confidence when you own your swing).
More specifically, let's take your idea about the axis of rotation on the downswing. The way you see it is quite a bit different than conventional golf instruction (which promotes a more centered axis around the spine). The belief issue is that your perception will greatly enhance the shoulder plane on the downswing with the trail shoulder going down on a steeper plane than the hip plane. You've tried it out many times and proven to yourself it works. After that trial-and-error phase, you believe in its efficacy. If it were just a matter of belief in what you see, anyone who just held strong beliefs in their own perceptions would become low handicappers. This view omits the most important issue and that is the validity of what you are trying to do with your golf swing. For many golfers, what they are trying could be way off base and lead them down multiple rabbit holes.
So, I go back to your idea. I think it is a good thought. I agree one has to believe in what they are doing in anything in life and especially in golf. So, I would reword your thought slightly differently. "It's not what you see that matters. It's working on the right things that will make a difference and build your belief in your own golf improvement journey." [I'm sure there is a more concise way of saying all that but that is the gist of it.]
Thirty years ago, when I was in my early fifties and playing to a 9.4 handicap, my golf buddy was fond of telling me all golf instruction boils down to "Do this and Don't do that." What that style of instruction shortchanged was: "How do I do that?"; "How will I know when I have done it? [Particularly relevant to a pure release.]"; and "How hard do I have to practice it for it to become second nature?"
Thanks for all your videos. Please keep at it.
Fairways and Greens,
Ted
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@@tedcummings2186 I totally agree. Simply telling someone "do this" or "don't do that" without out them knowing how or why is pointless. I have told people to literally throw a club in the direction they're facing at address and they do that perfectly ... So, why are you cocking your head and doing all that other stuff when you hit a golf ball? It's the same motion you just used to throw that club and you didn't do any of that! It's that damn ball that destroys the golf swing!
Again you amaze me with your knowledge of the swing. I used to play a lot better than I do today and I had back surgery and did not play for a couple of years and when I started playing again I forgot the feeling I used to have. I was coming over the top just like you illustrated and not being consistent. I would look at video teachers and not make much improvement and was getting discouraged. When I viewed this video it brought back a lot of things and feelings in my swing I used to feel. Cannot wait to get out and practice today. By the way coming over the top gave me so much trouble hitting with my longer clubs. Everything was a low duck hook or smother. I am sure this is going to help me.
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Like throwing a looped rope like a cowboy at the top of the swing! Is that the feeling?
Love it
🤯🤯🤯oh my god! Makes perfect sense now. You’re a genius. Thank you.
Yeah, this is still one of my favorite videos. The funny thing is there's information in it that still goes right over everyone's head. They understand most of it but not all of it.
Awesome! Thank you so much for your explanation of the golf swing! Finally someone that explains things we can understand!
Just want to share my result on applying this school of thought. I picked up this clip 2 months ago and is giving it serious practice.
I do gain 14mph club head speed and way better finishing ie. Chest up and tall with more side bend retained.
Issues during practice:
1. Leading elbow almost popped out with lots of pain. I solved this issue by using a neutral to slightly weak grip and release a foot or 2 earlier/behind the ball.
2. Feeling i would thin or miss the ball altogether. Still do even when i actually strike ball reasonably well.
Hope to bring this new swing to the range soon as 12 feet from the net ball flight doesn't tell much.
Again thanks for sharing. 👍
Yes, if you've been swinging "commonly" and over the top your entire life this will be a drastic change. It'll take time to get used to but you will and once you do you won't be able to remember how you ever swung a club any other way. Again, like I say in the video it's a subtle move and once you get it working it'll feel so natural that you won't be able to feel it. This is common. Many people will overdo it so they can feel it again and then they break it.
I agree at the very very end is the best for me also I can't tell too much because there's not enough video for me but I'm going to certainly try for me being a visual learner was most helpful at the very very end those last couple of swings.
GREAT presentation! Been stumbling toward this information for quite a while, this clip adds greatly on my road to discovery. Your description of "under the club" helps, thanks. The first thing I thought of early in your presentation was an episode of Swing Expedition, where Como and Dechambeau describe something they call the "end limits of motion" or "anatomical governors". They only talk about the left arm (lead arm), you refer to the right arm (trail arm). They talk about holding the elbow of the left arm in a position that at impact is pointing toward the target and preventing shots from going left, but I believe it is a complimentary position to the right arm position you describe, in fact I have been combining those position and have named them the M.A.P. position (Magic Arm Positions). The MAP position also includes a flat or bowed left wrist and a over extended right wrist. In my experimenting I've found for me that maintaining this position to a point that "feels" like you're pass impact results in an experience like you describe at impact, the club snaps through effortlessly with tremendous speed! Maintaining the MAP position almost compels rotation. Your thought of staying under the club greatly helps in achieving this impact goal! Thanks. The Como/Dechambeau vid is on CZcams at czcams.com/video/1aeTZTMSZcw/video.html if you're interested.
I haven’t had a chance to apply but I have had a chance to take a practice swing and I am excited
I must say I have already tried your idea on the course and it works perfectly: it cured my long lasting left balls inmediately.
Nice and easy. Thank you very much
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People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation.
I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
I'd like to prove here wrong.
Play well!
Best 10 minutes ever! Thank you!
You are correct! That helps my perception a great deal! Now I know what feel I should be working toward! Thanks again! Can’t wait to try it out!
I used to do this exact move without knowing it and would bomb the ball all day long. I had just bought The Biggest Big Bertha driver. A couple years later, my own brain and golf digest articles got in the way and I’ve struggled ever since. I’m going to the range tomorrow to get back to this. I think it’s gonna be a good day.
That's hilarious. I think anyone who's played well one day can say the same. I did the same. Some days I'd play well and some days not so good and when I truly figured out what the difference was and was able to put it into real, understandable terms, I knew I had had something. We've all had those days were we're just killing the ball and we don't know what we're doing but somehow we keep doing it, but the next day we can't keep it going.
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People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under.
My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well! Thank you.
This is awesome. Perfect companion to the How is the Golf Swing an Overhand Motion? video. Both are perfect enhancements and clarifiers of the Holy Grail. They are all saying the same thing.
WOW!!! I see what Moe Normon and Ben Hogan were talking about... Finally someone explained it in an understandable way...
..how bout a tip lol. In fairness Greg does deserve a donation. Look at all the crap tips online, it’s an industry at this stage, a mountain of garbage if you ask me. Greg cuts to the core of it every time in my opinion
Best under the shaft player... Lee Trevino by far 👍
Brilliant. I hit the longest drive of my life, 315 yards at age 70 thinking about swinging over my head.
Great way of looking at it makes perfect sense
Describes exactly what's wrong with my perception. Tried it a few times now and hugh difference! Thank you.
Yeah, it makes all the difference.
Amazing instruction again! My only thought now is staying under the club for most of the swing. My ball striking and distance has never been better.
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People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and thousands more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under.
My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well! Thank you.
This is amazing. Reminds me a little of Mike Malaska and Steve Pratt. They seem to get the club moving with a wrist "bump" or a throwing the club away from the sternum. Are you feeling more of the right arm proper rotation can get it going back on its proper path to propel it? I am starting to grasp this feeling and it almost feels like the club head goes back the way it came-or behind me. Thank you for making this clear because I'm sure this has taken years to simplify. It is definitely a perception altering!!!
You're right, it did take a long time to figure out a way to describe that everyone can understand. It's a very subtle move but if it's missing or prevented from happening the golf swing is very hard to perform well.
Great observation, great tips and well explained! I always thought I needed to keep my right forearm over my left on the downswing to avoid fat shots. But this makes so much sense. Can’t wait to try it out. Thanks for the video, well done! Btw, Trim that tree! Haha!!
.. great video, light bulb moment 💡well done 👏👏
.. does this mean we are above the club head on the backswing and at the top we transition to being underneath, I think that’s right?
.. the next question is how to maximise speed on the downswing while staying underneath the club head
Yes, basically. At address it really doesn’t matter how we think of ourselves in relation to the club … the only thing that matters is the real swing from the top that strikes the ball. The speed comes from swinging toward the Holy Grail of Golf® position, which is what my website is all about.
Great video again that make sense! Would be great to se some video where you hit golfballs on course or range, thanks!
The hardest part to executing this move is forty years of coming over the top. When i do it right the shot is high and straight. Did i mention 10 to 15 yards longer. My driver is 30yards or better😊
Yes, there's a connection that your brain has to make and break away from old habits and beliefs.
Very interesting way of approaching to over the top swing problems. From what you are showing, it has merits. But I would like to see your swing with the real golf ball and the numbers on trackman or something like that. You don’t need to be long, but I hope to see that the number show the swing produce numbers that of a neutral or slightly inside out swing path.
Take a look at the death of a golf course video. I hit some balls in it. You can't see this move on video. Well, you can if the person thinks of themselves as being on top of the club ... but otherwise it's just a normal swing.
Really important video and something that has been missing in my swing. In addition to perception of "over vs under", I believe that if you have been instructed to square the clubface early then you will perform the "over" move. That has been my problem for many years, because when I perform the correct "under" move, from the top as my right elbow drops and my right forearm twists, it feels like the right palm faces the sky and the face is wide open. Therefore I have always avoided this move and have spent years struggling to play with the wrong "over" move.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Well, maybe not the only one who thought of it. 😊
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I’ve been trying this move and trying to keep my right elbow tucked in, but I also feel like my face is wide open at impact with weak right shots. I’m not quite sure how to square the club after dropping the club under. Any ideas? Thx!
This is crazy. I haven’t heard this concept explained this way before. It’s weird to adjust to at first, but it really does seem like the downswing starts by swinging the club head basically backwards at the ball. And if you let it happen it does snap “into place” by impact. It’s really awesome feeling and seems sort of “automatic” if started down correctly.
Nice insights again.
Thank you. Sometimes it takes a long time to figure out why people do what they do. I can't ask them, because they don't know why they're doing it. I have to watch and imagine what they're thinking. This one took some time. After I made the video and thought about how to explain it someone pointed me to a Mike Austin video where he talks about it but doesn't explain it as much. Mike Austin knew this move.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf interesting. I’ve watched some Mike Austin things but never connected this concept to what I heard there. Very interesting.
Mike Austin was so ahead of our time. Him and Moe Norman knew exactly what to do to make the perfect golf swing.
This is the magic move. End of story .
@overhand golf. Hell yeah! Great clarification of some of your early videos on this concept. I have a rhetorical question which may inspire a future video. So I swing pretty much around plane but I'm stuck between the concept you describe here and falling into bad habits again. The concept you're describing undoubtably gets my arms/clubshaft/body moving properly but I can't get the hands to work properly with it. Conversely, sometimes I get the hands working dynamically in the right position but I get a little 'on top' of it again and trail shoulder and elbow roll internal again. I am shooting between 6 -10 over most rounds so I can play ok but I feel (to use mainstream coaching jargon) that I struggle with 'wrist angles' to keep control of the clubface when swinging with this type of concept in mind. Simple way to put it is: In this video you looked like you'd shank every shot. Also many teaching pros and pro-golfers look the same when they talk about the movement of the body club i.e they have an massively open face because they are demonstrating movements of the body/shaft and not demonstrating the clubface positions. So what's the missing link that allows you to move like this and be able to square the clubface? I've never seen this addressed in any coaching videos and think you'd explain it well conceptually. Wrist angles? Pure momentum? The correct moment to move from 'under it' into the lever portion through impact? Could it be you're 'under it' with body but your hands are over it to apply pressure downwards?
Sorry for such a long message. I hope it is clear what I'm trying to communicate and would love to hear your insight on this. I imagine there must be others thinking the same thing.
I'll have to think about that and get back to you, but for right now, you shouldn't have to think about squaring the face manually, ever. That would require timing in every shot and that would be work. The tool is engineered to work with the limits of our body ... or we just got super luck that it does, either way it does work. Actually the golf club controls you not the other way around. I have a club that I made with a head that is not connected to the shaft and spins freely. I can hit balls straight and far with it.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf that’s interesting I will keep that in mind when I’m next at the range. Cheers buddy!🤙🏻
@@HolyGrailOfGolf that's cool! Home made or some kind of commercial training aid? Could you share how to build / swing it? Sounds like a more advanced version of "the pro" training aid by Dan Martin.
@@Chris_Traynor Curious if you ever figured out the answer to your question. Does the club square automatically? I’m having initial trouble with shanks and open club faces as I try this move. It looks so much better coming down, but impact is spotty.
you changed my life ... thx from Germany
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That s why I play with a strong grip I find it easier to deliver the club this way
Creative teaching.
Long time baseball player. We were taught to "chop down" on the ball to hit line drives and hard ground balls. For me its definitely a push from the top, on top of the club. The feeling of rotating my right forearm the way you're talking is mentally and physically against everything in my body and brain but I know you're correct. Gotta try this a couple thousand times lol
Doubtful it'll take long to get used to it. It's just thinking differently.
Love this. You are describing the magic move from 100s percent of click bait training material. Thank you
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People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation.
I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well!
Thanks for this, if you think about it, remember it, your great shots all had a feeling of being on a different plane in reference to the ball, this defines why that feeling happens.
I've said that just about everyone has hit a ball back into the range without thinking or hit a ball back to a friend and then realized it was the best shot they'd ever hit and they weren't even thinking about it. Our brain has an idea of what a golf swing is but in those cases the brain was not engaged and the body did what it needed to ... sans brain. The brain then said, "Hey! I wasn't engaged!" Unfortunately, there's no mechanism to disengage the brain, so we have to learn what the body needs to do and let the brain relax on standby. So, until the body and the brain are on the same page it usually doesn't work too well.
Yeah the Golf Brain,
Setting up for a shot, there's is the pin, stay left of the sand trap and avoid the tree on the right....
Golf brain only heard "tree", ok! Bang, nailed the tree.
@@HVACKABOOM Robin Williams used to say, "Why don't they put a tree on the green? I can hit a tree!"
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..yes and if we disengaged the brain in relation to self identity we would be enlightened beings, that’s the human it’s challenge
I am finding that to hit the positions in the downswing you need to get your takeaway and backswing correct (for you) when you stretch the muscles in the backswing they contract in the downswing. I am literally thinking the sidearm throwing action on the way back and on the downswing. Or trying to hit a baseball. It seems to get me in the right position and then everything is just a reaction to the action - if you know what mean. I would appreciate you slant on the takeaway and backswing. Keep up the great work and look out for that poor orange tree. 🏌️♂️🏌️♂️
I like that, "Reaction to the action." I didn't talk about the backswing too much here because if you have the proper intention in the downswing, it should dictate how you load the club up for that motion. I try to keep things simple and let people figure some things out on their own. What I often hear is, "Just thinking this way fix my ... (whatever,)" which is completely unrelated.
Guys... this is the single greatest right arm explanation you’re going to find. I’ve always intuitively known there was something wrong with what I was doing with it. You’ll see people explain “laying the club off” at the top. But Overhand’s explanation of the club working in the opposite direction of the path (I’ll call it radial circumduction) is THE STANDARD.
You combine this lesson with Hogan’s 100 right arm only swings per day (provided you’re adhering to the holy grail and your swing intent is at 7:15ish) you WILL MASTER THE DRIVER. I was hitting bombs down the middle at the range 9/10 without any of my old fade dragging the ball off target line.
When is the merchandise line launching? I want an overpriced “overhand golf” polo. Under Armour is my preferred but I’ll defer. Under Armour Overhand has a nice ironic ring to it. Just saying!
Eye opening sir. Thank you.
definitely mind blowing. thank you.
There's a middle aged man on CZcams shorts who seemingly does not try very hard but hits absolute bombs. I always wondered how he got that speed. His technique is exactly what you demonstrate here.
Give me a link if you can. I'd like to see it.
Gents- ladies too- THIS IS SO IMPORTANT
Mr Hogan shows this CLEARLY