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Exclusive Interview with Tatsuya Tada - Supra Chief Engineer | 2020 GR Supra Biggest Misconception
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2019
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After some intensive driving and testing of the 2020 GR Supra on the track and on the streets Michael Ferrara, DSPORT Publisher, got a chance to catch up with Tatsuya Tada, Supra's Chief Engineer, and ask him a few questions about the design, the development process, and how it compares to the Z4.
Tatsuya reveals the biggest misconception about the new Supra.
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Here we are three years later and people are running 8 second quarter miles in these cars. Love it.
honestly, were just happy to have a supra again.
Can't argue with that. This won't didn't disappoint.
Fantastic interview, thank you so much for this amazing content
Great interview ! Thanks
Thank you
Excellent interview, thanks for sharing.
Thank you
Great interview. And, those jackets are snazzy.
This chief engineer has a great sense of humour and a lot of patience, I think the 2020 one is going to be the one to get, closer to his original idea- model updates will move it closer to other cars and away from his original philosophy. As I m in the uk and our road surfaces are awful I am really looking forward to collecting mine on Saturday 😀
But the 2021 handles beautifully on the curvies.
Fortunately this has not come true. Now the Supra has manual transmission developed by Toyota. That alone has put this car on my radar. The car has more power and an improved suspension, which is always welcome.
this needs more views
Can’t believe only just found this video great questions for Tada-San.
Thank you very much. Glad you enjoyed it.
Good to finally get to hear from the man's owner mouth 👑✌👍✊✊✊👏
People SHIT on this car before it was even driven by anyone outside of the development. They didn't know what the engineer goal was and didn't know what was what about the car in detail.
People didn't know about the engineering goal and what was what about the Nissan GTR and they got so excited with praises when it broke the Nurburgring records and sent 911 back to its engineering board.
It's nice to keep an open mind and let the Chief Engineer share his thoughts on the development process. Once we talked to him, a lot of things made more sense.
@@85corolla You must give this car a chance and take it for a spin when you get the chance. It is NOT the JZA80, but it's not supposed to be. The performance to price ratio is 100% there.
Great Video! I really like their idea when developing the supra. I’m glad they gave us a new one
Thank you
fantastic video @dsport !!
Thanks Geoff. How soon before we see a Full Race turbo upgrade?
What would you like to tell Tada-san about the new Supra?
It was disrespectful to call a bmw a supra and tarnish the legacy
The new Supra with the BMW engine is better than any Supra ever built before it. Not sure how calling the new Supra a Supra tarnishes the name. However, the MkIV(JZA80) Supra will always be a favorite street/strip vehicle for me but it's a different class of car. The JZA80 was a gran touring type car, the new Supra is a dedicated sportscar. It's like the difference between an RB-powered GT-R and the new VR-powered GT-Rs. They are much different vehicles from different generations of technology. Toyota is no longer setup to produce an engine or vehicle platform for a low-production volume sportscar. If this Supra wasn't manufacturerd by BMW, there would be no fifth-gen Supra. @@tsdelosa
manual, please!
It looks sleek!!
Will the supra be reliable as a BMW?
There are many discussions about Supra oil consumption on the Internet. Some say it’s normal, some say not. It would be nice to hear it directly from Toyota.
Only some 2021 had that issue not all 2022 is fixed 2020 no issues
Who's came here after watching Scotty Kilmer's video about Supra ?
MNA GP He’s very biased though in generally with any Toyota sports car. He doesn’t like when Toyota partners up with people really. (Yamaha, Subaru, BMW, Etc)
BuT iTs JUsT A bMW
Anyone who is a real fan of toyota and the supra brand would have known most of this 2-3 years ago. I'm not even really a fan of the mk4 supra, I prefer rx7 fd 3s and I managed to use a bit of google fu to find out more about the development of this car.
I like it a lot, it seems like it has potential to be a real monster. The b58 can be easily tuned. I cant wait to see what the aftermarket has in store for it!!!!!!!
I actually really liked the supra when it was first unveiled. But I hate it more and more everytime I look at it. Im really curious to see how people modify it and how it looks. But im still not a fan of the bmw engine, the auto and the bmw interior.
We highly recommend driving it when you get a chance, you will definitely be surprised. The aftermarket is working overtime on this platform right now, expect some crazy upgrades AS SOON as it's out.
@@dsport i dont doubt the performance of this car. I absolutely trust your guys review. My complaint id purely the aesthetics. Im really curious/excited to see what the afterarket comes up with
@@BossTuned We are sure it will complement the looks of it. We've seen the rocket bunny kit already. It really depends on if you like this design as a foundation or not.
This is Michael Ferrara, the Publisher. In terms of the looks of the Supra. I was the opposite of you and had a negative first impression. It looked like an overgrown RX8 at some angles and I wasn't feeling it. Now, it's growing on me. It's a car that has so many lines that color choice really affects the overall look. I find it looks best in the factory matte option.
@12:30 throwing shades at gtr
Just like what they did to the American train over a hundred years. Buy American trains, the studies, and then improve, (Not copy as China does). They take the best of the bests then improve that best to make it even better.
The platform was developed by Toyota and BMW equally
3:10 lol you didn’t even watch it lol
They had me with the concept. All they had to do was build it (yes I know design compromises yada yada). Instead, they shrunk it.
It's definitely SMALL, but it makes it REALLY well-balanced.
Quote" But before Calty even created the FT-1 for the 2014 stage, there had already been high-level meetings with BMW regarding the cars' fundamental engineering and packaging. Concept cars are usually built larger than life for the show stage, to impress showgoers, Hunter said, but then they have to shrink down for the realities of the world. "If you look at the FT-1 concept car, it's a pretty big car, actually, and we purposely blew it up to be a true exotic," he said. "The reality of the [Supra's] packaging is, it's actually a very good, nice, proper package for a sports car, for a high-performance sports car. So we had to figure out how to capture all the essence of FT-1 but get it down into the compact packaging of the actual engineering condition."
quote"At the center of the transition from FT-1 concept to the production car code-named A90, Calty senior lead designer Tom Matsumoto was embedded for six months with the Munich-based BMW/Toyota team under project chief designer Nobuo Nakamura.
Matsumoto explained the most difficult parts of translating the FT-1 to Supra: "Making a concept is coming from nothing to something in life, from zero to one. Then the production phase is taking that all the way to a condition that people could drive. There's a lot of safety requirements in every country and everything that you have to go through to get that right." www.motortrend.com/news/2020-toyota-supra-design-ft-1-concept-to-production
Toyota debuted the FT-1 Concept in 2014 which is when they and BMW broke away from each other www.motor1.com/news/266852/supra-engineers-last-talked-bmw-2014/
Quote " “We agreed on the packaging, like where is the hip-point of the driver, what's the wheelbase, the width, where's the fuel tank, where's the A-pillar, this was around the middle of 2014... After that we completely separated our team. After that, no communication with each other.”
Which means Toyota and BMW had already come up with the dimensions of the platform which is all-new for Z4 and Supra before the FT-1 Concept came out in 2014 and they had to shrink everything down to retain spirt of the Concept ,if that makes any sense
I don’t care about shifting speed. The only automatics I will ever buy are for shitbox cars to get to work in or in a truck. I just can’t spend this kind of money on a car I can’t shift myself. I have had 9 miata variants and a BRZ, all manual. Fun cars are more fun with manuals.
We love the third peddle ourselves, and while we still want a manual option, this transmission won't bore you one bit.
Great! You did your part buying manuals. Bottom line is that they don't sell and aren't profitable enough to manufacture. 33% of all three variants of the GT86 sold were manuals. Those were cheaper enthusiast models that still had poor sales for the manual. The Supra costs more and is going to be bought by older folks who can afford that price tag. Suffice to say manuals do not sell as well and aren't going to receive that level of investment.
@@d1sturb3d119 That's a great point.
Then just buy a manual swap kit from one of the many tuning companies developing them...
@@geoffmcheyzer9821 That's also an option. We would think Toyota will take a couple of years then POSSIBLY offer a manual transmission? This would be strictly based on the amount of requests they're getting from consumers.
But its 55K!!!!
Yes. That's a hefty price tag. I guess they're targeting people that have this kind of money. Kind of like the R35 GT-R 50th anniversary edition, it's targeting people with over $200,000... What are they thinking!
@@dsport for that price i can get a 335. Even a m2 i think. This looks like a beefed up brz. i doubt it will sell for that price.
@@Omar-xg3lm I wouldn't compare it to the 335, I'd say it's not really in that category (it's more of a pure sports car category). And it is definitely MUCH MORE than a BRZ. Not even comparable. It just feels like a BRZ because it's small, but that's the only relation they have.
I'll save that for a new 2020 Corvette
DSPORT oooi
Honestly, I feel if Toyota would of made thier own engine, say a 3Jz AND a manual you probably would not see quite so much hate even with the BMW sourced body. Regardless it IS a rebadged BMW.
So he's excited to see what the tuners will do with it, then proceeds to lock the ECU on 21+
Big thumbs down, I hope Toyota gets sued for false advertisment.
Shame on Toyota for joining BMW junk.
Old Supra is King
New Supra is Gaudy
Looks like Miata on steroids
No manual... da hells the matter with you?
Crawl back into your time machine cause you're stuck in the 80's. NOBODY buys manuals. The sales figures show it. You keyboard warriors are the only ones asking for manuals. I've owned multiple manuals and all the cars I've owned had low volume sales for the manual specifically. Get a clue.
-2007 Ford Mustang GT/2010 Camaro SS/2017 Ford Focus ST. Those are my current cars. They all have manual transmissions.
-More than half of Europe and Japan drive manual vehicles.
- The new Supras platform is based off the BMW Z4 which has a manual option (already developed).
-If sales figures show low interest (which I dont dispute here in 'Merica) then make a low volume of them for those who want one.
But maybe I'll go look for that clue your talking about...
@@tyerex5031 Wow. Now tell me how much business Ford and Chevy currently have? Last I heard Chevy was shutting down plants in Asia and in the US. Sorry. They do not sell.
Europe and Japan are tiny markets compared to the America's, Middle East and Russia where autos are primarily sold. In Europe and Japan Automatics are luxury items. It is cheaper to buy a manual especially for econobox's there. You're equating the sales of manual transmission sports cars to economy cars that are cheaper to manufacture with a manual.
Global statistics show a drop in manual sales across the board. But keep telling me more on how you know so much about this industry.
Emissions regulations have also forced auto's to be more prevalent.
3% of cars sold in the US in 2016 have been manuals. If you know anything about business you'd know why its a bad model. But yeah, you can keep hoping. It isn't happening and that's pretty clear.
@@d1sturb3d119 You made a broad statement -"NOBODY buys manuals". So I gave you a broad answer. What does Chevy and Ford plants closing over seas and emissions regulations have to do with Toyota not offering the Supra a manual, seriously I'm not being sarcastic, I dont understand.
Your argument is about percentages and business models. By your logic manuals are impractical. Well the sport car is entirely impractical that caters to the smallest buyer market.
Obviously major manufacturers focus more on their bread and butter - SUVs, Trucks, Sedans, Commercial vehicles. They understand what their producing in a sports car. It's not about the biggest buyer market, it's about making an absurd fun enthusiast toy for the smallest market. It's about showing what their company can accomplish, what their engineers can do, it's a statement. Brand image. That's my argument.
Toyota forgot that when they didnt offer an already able manual for it and they got called out for it so much that it's the number one question Tatsuya Tada gets about the Supra. Hes now saying the overwhelming outcry is making him consider putting the manual option back on the table. I'm not saying make them all manual, do both. Hell make the manual by customer order only.
Lastly I dont get why it upsets you by what other people want. It doesn't affect you. Buy the automatic.
@@tyerex5031 The fact that they're shutting down is proof that they've mis-assessed the market. No, by my logic manuals would be the only way to go. I do not like a lack of engagement and I think that most people in the US are morons on the road because they have one more thing to disconnect them from driving.
The facts still stand that building a car for the sake of an engineering exercise costs a company money and in most cases does not pay back. The LFA lost money on every car sold and in fact was still too expensive for most of the enthusiast market. Was it exceptional? Yes absolutely! The old supra was literally out of production by the time every fan boy on earth suddenly started to claim its the greatest car ever.
The bread and butter for these companies is to build cars that appeal to a mass market. Sports cars unfortunately do not sell as well as they do. The buying power of most folks are diminished significantly.
To architect and build a transmission that can slot into the supra frame, mate with the motor, and still be a part of the same assembly line is cumbersome and adds overhead to the cost of these cars.
Would I like the option? Absolutely! Do they sell? In small numbers that do not justify the cost of developing an assembly line system that can facilitate the option. That is the core issue.
Lexus never offered manuals for a reason. Toyota has been moving away from manuals as well for a reason. Suffice to say the market doesn't support it.
Chevy, Ford and Dodge with the type of architecture employed in their sports car line up can facilitate it but look at the sales figures for their sports cars. Its a bleak market and given the lack of dominance in the SUV/ Minivan market, we them shutting down plants, axing jobs and eventually coming to the tax payer for a bailout. The reality of this segment is that this is not a valid ask any more.
Stop freaking out at the company. Freak out at the buyers who want easier cars to drive.
Those of us who want manuals swap them for the most part.
the 86 100% Subaru, new zupr4 100% BMW, this guy takes credit for other companies hard work. Both great cars btw.
Toyota only made the fuel rail, injectors, pump, and fuel setup. The rest of the GT86 was a BRZ.
carbuzz.com/news/bmw-m-cars-switching-to-toyota-power
asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Scandal-plagued-Subaru-falls-victim-to-its-own-success
www.torquenews.com/1084/subaru-and-toyota-announce-joint-partnership-develop-all-new-midsize-large-electric-suvs
www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0136503EN/bmw-group-and-toyota-motor-corporation-deepen-collaboration-by-signing-binding-agreements?language=en
7:08 supra crash??
Hers is why the car will FAIL miserably;
The Porsche 911 has been an evolution of the model for how many decades??? Everyone knows what a 911 is. The engineers should have taken the basic lines of the outgoing car, modernized the 2jz, aluminum block/head, VVTi, single turbo, etc. Modernize the electronics, on and on. NOT make this BMW. Isn't Toyotas bank account full enough for do this AND make a legend reborn? They blew it 100%. Just like the FRS, boxer engine, low center of gravity, bla bla. No use the 3.5 2GR with a 6 speed. Then there would have easily been a Civic Si killer.
Mark my words, the car is a failure...
This is Toyota trying to save face when they've realized they completely missed.
Lol here we go again. Small thinking. You won't be able to graduate from that in life.
@@d1sturb3d119 uh... no. They missed. Otherwise they wouldnt be having to explain why they did what they did. I know what is quality and what isn't, because ive paid attention over the years. This... is shit.
@@lakeshoresubtleties Literally every fast car that exists has a video on the chief engineering explaining what they did. Some of us like listening to that. Other like talking shit about what they don't understand much like yourself. Go buy whatever you want instead of spreading your cancerous ramblings.
@@lakeshoresubtleties 2 minute 55.6 seconds(Same time as a 2009 R35 GT-R) at VIR with a new manual transmission says otherwise.
Btw the exhaust.... they r faake
Even mazda has announced their own L6 engines assembly line. SHAME ON YOU TOYOTA
You mean the engine that still hasn't been officially released? The one debuting in an SUV? 😆😆🤡
@@erikw792
Are you refuting a 3 years old comment talking about announcement !? 🤦♂️
@@BF109G4 Yup. It's been 3 years and that engine still hasn't come out. So if Toyota waited there wouldn't be a Supra until 2027. That means it probably wouldn't get made at all with the idiot politicians falling for the EV scam.
@@erikw792
THANK YOU
That’s what I want to hear especially the last line.
SHITPRA SO DISAPPOINTED
Tatsuya Tada destroyed the legacy of the Supra. Toyota must learn from Nissan how to make sport car. Don’t waste your money on this car, wait for the new Nissan 400z. Tatsuya Tada should learn from Kazutoshi Mizuno how to make sport car. Shame on Toyota. As a Toyota fan, Toyota deceived us a lot. Please go for retirement Tatsuya Tada
Yes let’s buy refurbished Nissan 350z with shitty vr30 engine lol 😂
There's something so off about this car. Looks like it belongs in some cartoon.
Please tell Tatsuya Tada, neither A86 or the BMW Z4 are true Toyota's.
True Toyota fans are disappointed that Toyota have sold their sole, first to Subaru and then to BMW.
Tell him putting a Toyota badge on a BMW does NOT make it a Toyota.
I'm sure I am not the only one who is disappointed that Toyota has prostituted their Supra name to BMW... disappointed, very disappointed.
I will agree it is a wonderful looking car and I understand from all reports, it is a very good car, but it is NO Supra.
@@geoffmcheyzer9821 Quite the opposite, the short sighted ones will believe all the rhetoric coming from Toyota about the new BWM they are selling as a car badged as a Supra. I've also searched for the meaning of RETARTED... but you have me on that one... LoL...
Agreed
The new supra is an epic FAIL
No manual transmission, no targa top.
Short base chassis: not good for high acceleration in aggressive boost.
Small designe: smaller than a 370Z and narrower than a GT86.
Fake vents: leads to nothing especially the door’s. Every car has fake vents that can be worked out by tuning companies (not a feature in the Supra).
complicated engine: expensive to repair, and unreliable.
Auto transmission: unfunny, underpowered and unreliable.