Ranking Top 20 QBs in NFL: Jordan Love & CJ Stroud TOP 10? Buying Aaron Rodgers? Dak is ELITE | PFS
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- Paul Farrington and Robert "Ziggy" Ziegler share their Top 20 Quarterbacks ahead of the 2024 NFL season. The guys break down their lists into 5 tiers to reveal which signal callers they would most want leading their team. Will Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, or Joe Burrow challenge Patrick Mahomes for the top spot? Where do guys like Jordan Love and CJ Stroud rank after breakout seasons with the Packers and Texans. And where will Brock Purdy, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins and other often underrated players fall on the list? Should Caleb Williams crack the Top 20 despite entering his rookie season with the Chicago Bears?
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
03:45 - Tier 5: Young Guys & Baker
07:28 - Faith in Tua Tagovailoa?
09:00 - Should Caleb Williams crack top 20?
09:25 - Tier 4: Average Guys Who Get Red Hot
11:55 - Brock Purdy and Jared Goff underrated?
14:06 - Will Jalen Hurts bounce back?
15:48 - Tier 3: Top 5 Potential
18:09 - Is Matthew Stafford NFC's best QB?
20:35 - Is Jordan Love a Top 10 QB?
23:57 - CJ Stroud's breakout season
24:30 - Buy or Sell Aaron Rodgers?
27:03 - Why Ziggy loves Purdy & Goff
29:30 - Scorching NJ Weather
30:33 - Tier 2: Challengers to Mahomes
32:14 - Dak Prescott is ELITE
34:03 - The great Lamar Jackson & Joe Burrow debate
38:55 - Josh Allen closest to Mahomes?
42:40 - Will Justin Herbert break out with Harbaugh?
44:20 - Tommy Devito Mystery
45:36 - Ziggy's Top 20 QBs
47:09 - Paul's Top 20 QBs
48:59 - Why NFL QBs situation is great
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Great discussion but one small improvement would be to spend more time discussing how great Jordan Love is.
And they don’t have to spend too much time talking about him maybe like an hour or two
@@jessemeermann860 Seems fair given the ratio of his greatness to everyone else. Anything less is disrespectful tbh
This is a joke right?
@@jameswarner261 Not sure I understand
Yes i think that would be a great idea
People often overlook that Jordan first two games he threw for 6 TD and had a QBR over one hundred, he also lost his starting left tackle in the first game which also so both Aaron Jones & Christian Watson suffer from a recurring issue with their hamstring.
yeah they never give jordan love credit
Ya I'm pretty sure week two or three he was leading the league. They had that tough stretch but he turned it around and was even better.
I'm not going to complain about where Love is placed, but putting Dak above Love is just bizarre to me. There's no world where I'd pick Dak over Love to lead a team in 2024.
only person that would pick dak is delusional ass cowboys fans
What about a world where dak is rly good and love is bad 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Dak being at 4 for ziggy is crazy lol. He is the garbage time king
Happy Birthday to the moms of the Paul Farrington Show
Ziggy's love and passion for the Packers burns with the intensity of 10,000 suns
Ziggy's list has got to be a troll man 😂
It definitely is 😂 it’s good bait too with the majority of their subs being packers fans lol
Rumor has it jack actually missed this episode because he can’t count to 20
😂😂😂
Congrats on the 50 members fellas. Well deserved
I grew up near Lambeau Field and went to lots of Packers games over the years. Forget the men, there are lots of women in Green Bay that will be able to outdrink Jack.
I found Ziggy's list so refreshing. I see people saying he must be trolling, but it sounds like he believes every word he's saying. Not afraid to call it how he sees it, go against public opinions, and defend his position with pretty sound arguements. I do wish I could've heard Jack's list because I know it would've also been controversial but for entirely different reasons.
Lfg been waiting for this one thanks fellas
Beating the Packers in the NFC championship game is a curse, the only one beating that in recent years is Brady. Seahawks Malcom Butler at the 1, Falcons 28-3 choke, 49ers 10 point 4th quarter choke.
“The Paul Farrington Show - NOT an Awesome Packers Podcast” I’d buy that shirt in green and gold haha
Love will be top 3 by the end of the year, watch
Watson was doubled at the highest rate in the leauge when playing, understandable with his 6'4 1/2 height and Tyreek Hill speed. But what's crazy to me is Dontayvion Wicks being doubled at one of the highest rates in the leauge along with him, at a higher rate than Amon Ra the Lions by far and ahead #1 target. Alot of it has to do with their Talent, but it also has to do with the Fact that for a majory of the year all the Packers had in the running game was AJ Dillion, teams weren't afraid of him. They could use their resources in the secondary and pressuring the QB. Last season Josh Jacobs faced 7.2 defenders on average in the box, an insane number and most in the leauge. If even it slightly transfers that will open up everything immensely. Teams will have to make a choice. Along with Jordan love being used to the NFL and the WRs growing, I expect this offense to explode next season. They can't double the wrs and play heavy coverage and also load the box.. it's a pick your poison situation. Love still had one of the best starting seasons in NFL history aswell, with practically no help in the running game.
It would be hard for Love to top his stat from last year. Information I posted earlier showed he was top ten in numerous areas. I don’t understand why everyone keeps saying how bad Love was the first half of the season when he led the league in passer rating the first two weeks and had 6 tds with no picks lol
Need a shirt that has Jack vs. Wisconsin in the style of a boxing or MMA promo poster
These lists sound pretty reasonable to me. I'm okay not having Jordan Love in the top 10 yet, hopefully by the end of the year he'll be closer to top 5 but he still needs to prove the longevity of this success he's been having.
I love Herbert and I think he's a great QB, it's just hard for me to see him so high up on this list when his team hasn't done much, and yeah we can say the Chargers choked away the playoff win but Herbert is the QB, he still has to make plays.
I do think Dak gets a ton of hate for not performing well in the playoffs, but if you want a model of consistency as far as regular season, it's him.
Love had more tds than Goff, Purdy, or Stroud lol
It’s okay to want to see more, I just feel people want to pretend like the first half of the season didn’t happen. He’s good, but I would want to see him do it again and consistently.
@@juanneri9541 I agree but the false narrative about how bad Love looked the first half of the season over looks the first two weeks when he led the nfl in passer rating and had 6 tds with no picks. He lost his all pro left tackle and Aaron Jones during that middle stretch which contributed to his “struggles” during the following weeks.
@@juanneri9541 People also love to pretend that rough first half of last season was all on Love. They were playing with an unprecedented amount of young talent. Everyone was struggling. But then it started to click. And once that happens, theres no going back to that. Theyre not gonna suddenly stink again.
Jared Goff looks like a squib so I can understand why people doubt him but Ziggy is right. He produces. He needs a great offensive line but beside that his decision making and ball placement is consistently elite.
Brock purdy should be in the tua tier. He is a game manager that gets inflated "mvp" numbers because of a stacked team and the best offensive coach in football. Just like Matt Ryan. It is honestly dumbfounding that people can't see how every mediocre quarterback is suddenly great under kyle shanahan. Even journeyman backups throw for 300 yards a game under kyle shanahan. Kyle shanahan is the quarterback, he just isnt making the passes.
What has Trevor Lawrence done, Ziggy? I’ve been a huge believer in his talent but he’s done absolutely nothing.
I could’ve sworn Justin Herbert went 5-8 last season in games he played…
Justin Herbert has won 90% of his career games that the defense has allowed fewer than 28 points!
Go Texans! H-Town hold it down😁🤘
I will be trying to go to the Vikings/Packers game in Minneapolis. It'd be cool to meet you fellas in person!
Ziggy, I love you buddy but Trever Lawrence is not the number 8 quarterback in the NFL😂
Loved the segment. The "old" Deshaun Watson led the NFL in sacks and got Bill O'Brien fired. Love Ziggy's take that production is what counts. Goff and Purdy are both way undervalued by most media "experts."
I totally buy that underlying talent is what actually explains production. But how do you measure talent independent on production? It's at least very hard.
Rating based on production is tricky based on support cast. Having said that, JLove is the greatest since sliced bread
@@ThePaulFarringtonShow If you're in the NFL you've got talent. Talent counts but there are more important indicators of measuring success in the NFL. Steve Young had way more physical talent than Joe Montana. Montana was a much more successful QB than Young by every measure. Randall Cunningham was a freak talent when he played but he was not better than Troy Aikman or Jim Kelly or Phil Simms. Those 3 guys led great teams and offenses. Singular spectacular plays as the fall back to inconsistent team offense does not get it done over the long haul. Composure and the ability to stay calm when the pressure is greatest are the best traits in the best players. We'll see with Stroud and Love down the road. I am more impressed with Stroud than Love at this juncture but neither have accomplished what Purdy has done, and all three need awhile to achieve what Goff has done over his career. Aaron Rodgers, Kyler Murray and Matthew Stafford all have worlds of talent but all of them have displayed their frustrations with their teammates/officials/organizations in ugly self serving ways over their careers. That matters. Give me the stand up guys who put team first. That is what teammates and the best organizations search for. Thanks again for the great summer diversions!! Stay cool!
Love the ratings, but Love will be putting people on notice this year. Gotta get the stats for drops and bad routes. Also, to be a joker, i guess mahones isn't elite. He's thrown interceptions to lose his team the game.
Bad routes are tough to tell. But through week 10, JLove had above average drop luck.
@@ThePaulFarringtonShowthe QB school does a great job analyzing and pointing out bad routes and routes run at the wrong depth which is equally important..
How do you feel about the new punting rules? How do you feel it will effect the NFL games?
Would love to see you fellas in GB week 4
Big fan of the show btw
Jack took one shot of fireball and was acting like an idiot. He’s not even close to our level of alcoholism. Coming from a lifelong resident of the great state of Wisconsin.
I think Love will be in top 10 but right now love is 11 i agree GPG at the end of the year Love will be a top 5
Think about the height of these guys. Caleb Williams at 6'1 will be a real outlier if he is successful. I don't see it happening.
Also, going to have to take Paul's side and take Burrow over Allen, personally. Burrow throws the ball better throughout his career. They're the same age, but Allen has played two seasons longer, Burrow has had more team success, more success head to head (2-0 Burrow over Allen so far one playoff game, one regular season game, Burrow threw 2 TDs, - 0 INTs and more yards than Allen in both games, Allen threw a pick in each game, and only 1 TD in the regular season game.) Burrow also has a better TD:INT ratio to Allen by a considerable amount for the career 97:37 for Burrow, 167:78 for Allen, reducing that's almost 3:1 vs slightly better than 2:1. Burrow averages 30 more yards per game than Allen, and completes 68.3% of his passes to Allen's 63%. Allen has his advantages in running the ball, and his availability so far; but I'd rather take my chances with Burrow because he's also had more success than Allen against Patrick Mahomes, having beaten him in the playoffs despite having less playoffs matchups to get it done.
All those things combine still leave the race close; but I'm going to take the guy with better production; like Ziggy said (even though in this 1 v 1 Ziggy picked the less productive guy.)
All the Josh Allen lovers don’t get any time he take the field against Mahomes or burrow in a big game he gets handed an L.
This is silly. Allen is 3-4 against Mahomes. It's ridiculous to blame the 2022 game on him. He played well in the 2023 game. Looking at a tiny sample size, ignoring the games where he plays well, and pretending he played poorly in a game where he was elite is ridiculous.
@@ThePaulFarringtonShow winning is winning and I said big game so a win n week 3 of the season isn’t a big win. He has never beaten burrow.
Ziggy is officially my favorite. Brock Purdy is definitely a top 10 quarterback. It’s Purdy slander having him any lower than 12.
Do u think 49ers pay him 50 Mil a year? lmao or do u think they move on to another manager
@@xXMc1ovinXxThey will make that game manager you’re talking about 60+. Trey Lance couldn’t do it, and shipped him off to Dallas.
@juanneri9541 Do u think they then proceed to keep all those weapons around him? lol Top wr core in the nfl last year, thee best Rb, one of the best Lines, one of the better defences lol, they didnt have room on the cap to pay him 50+ Mill and if they do, who do u remove?
@@xXMc1ovinXxWell I can see you don’t watch 49ers games besides the “Playoffs” the 49ers do not have a good O-Line that would be Philly. I would get rid of the receivers, also it’s not his fault he’s making 1 million dollars, blame the nfl system not the player.
@juanneri9541 never said i blame purdy, far from it, utilizing what he has lol, also didnt say thee best Oline, but a darn good Oline lmao but again 49ers were favored in every single game from last year, we can also see Purdy doesnt shoulder the weight of the game on himself and we saw that in the SB, he didnt do anything to lose the game, but sure as hell didnt do anything to win it, like Ziggy says, h e throws the ball where his coach tells him regardless of how covered it is and a prime example of that was vs Balt when his Wrs werent wide open. Hes great, but i dont think he would be nearly as good without the studs around him, and if he gets paid 50+ Mil, he will lose talent that surrounds him to some degree
You said the most of his career like 12 ints wasnt lower than the last few int leaders by a good margin. If rodgers has a marginal year by his standards the jets are gonna cry tears of pure gold
"Assuming they can stay healthy" Bumps Borrow way up.
Go to Stadium View Bar if you come to GB. Reason to come is in the name
Rodgers 2022 season he had the finger and he also had rib injury as well..i get his age ..but still feel like he should be somewhere in the top ten..and trevor is solid but not top 10 he really has had one real good season
People keep saying Jordan loves 10 games … if you remove the raiders and lions L Jordan love stil has 31td 2nd in the league and only 6 int so In reality he has 2 stinkers weeks 4-5 and the other games he played well just lost close games
I flat out don’t believe in Justin Herbert, I believe he’s a product of a highly consistent WR in Keenan Allen and the productive but often injured Mike Williams. I put Herbert in the same tier as Ziggy put Tua. Without Keenan Allen or even IR Mike Williams I believe Herbert is closer to Geno Smith than he is to a Burrow, Love, Lamar, Hurts, or even Jared Goff
You dont know ball then. Herbert has one of the best arms in the league and carries a structurally broken team. Not the other way around.
@@StatsLie14 Carry in what way? Herbert has a small but losing record. In his 2 full 17 game seasons he’s played in at this point he has a 19-15 record. Herbert has been carried by an older and overused RB in Austin Ekeler who had 911 rushing yards, 12 rushing touchdowns, 647 receiving yards, 8 touchdowns. He got a combined 1558 yard, 20 td season from his RB ALONE during his only Pro Bowl season(at this very moment). Keenan Allen another 1138 yard, 6 td season playing in 16 out of 17 games in 2021. IR Mike Williams who played in 16 out of the 17 games in Herbert’s currently only Pro Bowl season 1146 yards, 9 td season. Plus he has also had Jared Cook and Gerald Everett for TE options as well both are above average TE’a who are just not elite TE’s like a Mark Andrews or Travis Kelce
Herbert is a product of the weapons behind him and without those weapons he’s looking like rookie year Jalen Hurts(before he got AJ Brown) or this past season Geno Smith. Stop trying to overrate a QB who had the luxury of throwing nearly 700 attempts per season because that’s going to inflate the stats. To put in perspective how many more passing attempts Herbert has had compared to other QB’s from his 2020 draft class, Herbert has 784 more career passing attempts than Tua, and Herbert has 527 more career passing attempts than Joe Burrow who currently has better WR options in Chase and Tee Higgins.
@@SamEVO69 your problem is you are trying to evalute a qb by stats. Actually watch the dude play and youll see him throwing lasers to covered wrs all game long.
@@StatsLie14 that’s the recipe to losing games hence the overall losing record. Without the weapons he just lost this offseason he’s not going to take the Chargers far. He hasn’t improved anyone Palmer regressed, Everett regressed, Johnson as a rookie struggled so who knows if he will be the first WR Herbert actually develops.
@@SamEVO69 holy shit youre a complete idiot. The recipe for losing is making great throws to keep the offense moving when the wrs can't get open??? They havent developed because of the innate flaw in the structure of the wr position on the chargers. They lack speed at the position. The only wr that can take the top off is jaylen guyton who is injured for almost every game. Defenses can then sit on routes and justin herbert has to thread the needle on a ridiculous amount of throws. So yes, herbert carries this offense with his tight window throws
How did I not make the top 20? I threw a football a few times🙄
What happened to paul wearing the jlove jersey at 50 subscribers?
Doing it next week when we pick the merch giveaway and jack is back!
GPG!
Apparently there's a New Drug in Minnesota, and Ziggy has bought and consumed ALL, not surprised because he is a Vikings Fan, those Years of Pain, can make Humans do and say weird things 😂
“Everytime Brock has played he’s been elite.” Lmao. In the NFC divisional round Brock Purdy threw 3int that were dropped and couldn’t play worth a damn in the rain. That’s not elite.
Alright 😂 Herbert at 3 lol it’s definitely just comment bait
Congrats on 50 members, really signed up for the pick 'em league; but signed up early to support and see about the merch giveaway. Purdy is on that game manager level where he's so good at it, it's not an insult; even if some people take it that way. (Look up the Warren Sapp - Cam Newton game manager conversation for more nuance on that; where Cam taught Warren that Tom Brady was the best game manager of all time and it's not an insult that Cam says Sapp's Super Bowl winning QB Brad Johnson was also a game manager.)
Purdy is among the best game managers in the game right now, and that is enough to have him in my top 10.
Jack is like that friend you find annoying and then miss when they aren’t around
Nahh, more like that friend you enjoy having around because they keep things light and interesting, but at the same time, you breath a mental sigh of relief whenever you get a break from them.
If you're starting a franchise, you're taking Mahomes 1. Allen 2, and probably Burrow 3.
Not burrow hes injury prone.
He won't live up to the smack talk
Burrow > Jackson > Herbert
Anyone who has dak or Herbert over Lamar and burrow doesn’t watch football pure stupidity
Might be the worst analysis I’ve heard from ziggy ever
Justin Herbert is so overrated. Good QB, athletic, big arm...blah, blah, blah.
Win something then I'll admit he's great.
Herbert is most overrated QB I’ve ever seen. Has done nothing but pad stats his whole career
Ziggy has squidward vibes