This is a great series. It's exactly the stuff I would want someone to explain to me in the shop if they showed me how to use a tool I'm not already familiar with.
This was one of the sickest, slickest, sonically delicious How-To’s I have ever seen. In Any Genre. I rarely prefer, nor benefit from, the no-narration written caption only format, most certainly that’s a hang-up particularized to myself & those with similar overlapping cognitive & personality subsets. Then, if you had played me the score music separate & disassociated from any accompanying video, I would have said that it was too good of a mix, such that I expected it would distract far too much, rendering the enclosed lessons outside of my grasp. It was so good that it shattered even those esoteric & idiosyncratic expectations, along with every other imaginable effortlessly. Well done.
a file also has a hollow site and a crowned side, when straight filing it is important to use the crowened side for this otherwise you will not get it flat
Very nice. I’m going to be cutting, shaping and filing some small aluminum parts made from billet stock. This was helpful. I’m trying to find all the techniques to help make the cutting faster, but this will be perfect for the finishing process., to get the parts I need flat and smooth
I've always used a bar of soap to prevent stuck chips and it works well, Irish Spring to be exact it has a fantastic scent and keeps my files and my shop smelling clean and fresh! Not that I would switch but is there any advantage to using chalk?
oh hey, after 3 years of technical school studying two degree programs related to machining and other tech stuff, and another 7 semesters at college studying similar stuff . .. I learned something here, the chalk trick, I'm going to try that next time I file. thanks y'all
I'm in machine shop class for work and deburring with a file is my biggest weakness. When I file my edges of my w/p I end up rounding the corners a little...
I liked for the chalk tip, everything else was pretty obvious for anyone owning a file/s. Ohhh, and the cleaning tip was pretty nice. I used to use compressed air or a fast high pressure rinse and quick dry... which is probably why I liked for the chalk tip.
Make sure file is flat cheap ones tends to be curve cuz maybe of quenching wrongly teeth cutting or handling work harshly.but theres a technique with curve filing which are used after conventional filing works like using a hand scraper
I remember when I was young in shop class the teacher said "This file is called a Flat Bastard" and the whole class cracked up. So of course we had to say it over and over again until the teacher stopped us .
For flat filing, it can be really hard to keep your hands level becausse the work forms a pivot point between your two hands and the leaverage keeps changing during your stroke. It is much easier to maintain a straight even cut if you hold the file in your dominant hand and only lightly guide it with your weak hand near the base of the file.
Just a tip from a toolmaker.... Do not lift the file and do not use it side ways if you are want precision results. Files are not perfectly flat or straight. If you are trying to file a precision flat surface. Color in the surface with a marker. Use the bow of the file to take down high spots on the surface.
Cloudkicker is such an odd choice of random words to generate, I can only assume that it didn't happen by chance. I reckon it's come from a character on Disney's Talespin called Kit Cloudkicker.
Cool. Didn't know about the chalk. Thanks! Check my videos. I have a new channel on farming, homesteading, woodworking, etc. Putting a lot of work into the videos to keep them entertaining and not boring.
I read in an article where machonist was taught to use push stoke for general work and preserving the file the back and forth motion is where you use it when getting close to dimension to make sure you dont lose the level and the feel for the file
good video this becoming a lost art at one time this was a primary tool now there are for the most part better tools however these are a wide spread tool if a preaper packs a tool box for a bug out you will find files in the box should learn to use them and care for them
+icepick method It made me cringe but will it really make such a big difference for his use? Not so sure. Personally mine are in draws with the plastic DVD storage panels IKEA used to sell as dividers, it makes me happy :)
+littlestworkshop I have a couple dozen files and I literally never find a use for them. There is nothing I can think of that a file does better than any other tool in my shop. I'm pretty much always going to reach for a dremel, die grinder, angle grinder, belt sander or mill. It makes me wonder why files are still in use at all.
***** Maybe it's just the way my shop is set up but my air tools are always within arms reach and my files are in a drawer in my tool chest. I've never had the urge to go to my tool wall for the files when I have an air tool right at hand. There are plenty of other hand tool where this is not the case. A block plane does something only a block plane can do. A chisel does what only a chisel can do. There are hundreds of hand-tools in my shop that don't feel obsolete. So, out of curiosity and totally with respect, what the heck do you use your files for?
Nothing wrong with draw filing. Only use a singe cut file for draw filing. And remember to only pull when you have the handle in your left hand, and only push when you hold it in your right hand.
+Mr Mürk I learned how to do that when I was 4 years old... and I was a fast learner. I doubt a 4 year old could do a maker project for arduino or for custom cases, or custom chamfered coffee tables with tiled inlay, and do this without some direction with a good set of workshop or parent/grandparent files. Also not everyone has a really good set of files, they are on a downtrend with less folks using basic fab tech, we just spool up a 3-d printer and let the computer do the work.
And that is what's wrong with the Maker culture nowadays in a nutshell, its all just "Buy an arduino, then these 3 kits, download this code, follow this wiring picture(noone can even read schematics these days) and bam! call it DIY"
+Mr Mürk I agree, This video DID remind me to buy a good set of files though, so there is that! I used to do a fair bit of machining, I don't have a 3-d printer (yet) or even a dremmel set. This video is actually promoting the old school ways!
+Kiff's improved channel A fucking shake is one more than a single shake. So almost like a double shake. It's more an amplitude measure. So if it were shaking a little, we'd just say it was shaking. If it were shaking a lot, we'd say it's FUCKING SHAKING!
Fireball Tool pretty exhaustively tested whether backward strokes damage the teeth, and it is false. Seems like it'd be true, but it's not, it's only ever parroted by people who never tested it and never saw it happen, just got told baseless boogeyman stories.
+Bart Jennings Horrendous? Honestly it is like people are in the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Files or something. The file is much harder than the card, the card is applied far less frequently than the workpiece (which may well be steel) the force that can be applied is limited. It would be interesting to see just how long it takes to blunten a file through proper use of a file card or brush, my guess is far longer than most people will ever use the file full stop.
+littlestworkshop Some people just need some silly reason to either A) justify why they are so bad at making stuff; B) feel better than the 'common people'; C) have something else to focus on instead of actually using the damn tool. You see the same with cameras, were most internet cirkle-jerkers are only ever talking about gear acquisition and maintenance, but never actually go out to make photos. And with grammar nazis there is a similar problem: people who actually suck at language (i.e. bad writers with contorted sentences and mediocre understanding of the nuances of language) constantly bitch about some stupid grammatical rule or some silly error someone else made. All to create a false sense of superiority without having to be talented or doing the hard work of producing awesome products (be that DIY, photos or literature).
This is a great series. It's exactly the stuff I would want someone to explain to me in the shop if they showed me how to use a tool I'm not already familiar with.
This was one of the sickest, slickest, sonically delicious How-To’s I have ever seen. In Any Genre.
I rarely prefer, nor benefit from, the no-narration written caption only format, most certainly that’s a hang-up particularized to myself & those with similar overlapping cognitive & personality subsets. Then, if you had played me the score music separate & disassociated from any accompanying video, I would have said that it was too good of a mix, such that I expected it would distract far too much, rendering the enclosed lessons outside of my grasp.
It was so good that it shattered even those esoteric & idiosyncratic expectations, along with every other imaginable effortlessly. Well done.
I'm filing this one away for future reference.
Ba dum tisssssh
You're definitely a dad, lol XD
@@masonmeeks8122 ayyyyy I was gonna say that hahahah
a file also has a hollow site and a crowned side, when straight filing it is important to use the crowened side for this otherwise you will not get it flat
Chalk?? Where has this tip been my whole life... this is why I'm subbed.
Very nice. I’m going to be cutting, shaping and filing some small aluminum parts made from billet stock. This was helpful. I’m trying to find all the techniques to help make the cutting faster, but this will be perfect for the finishing process., to get the parts I need flat and smooth
Very good information demonstrated visual! No use for blabbing away!
Thanks for the informative video! Just subscribed!
Sir, a very informative video. Thank you Sir, for helping me out on this matter.
Oscar
I've always used a bar of soap to prevent stuck chips and it works well, Irish Spring to be exact it has a fantastic scent and keeps my files and my shop smelling clean and fresh! Not that I would switch but is there any advantage to using chalk?
Brilliant and relaxing
oh hey, after 3 years of technical school studying two degree programs related to machining and other tech stuff, and another 7 semesters at college studying similar stuff . .. I learned something here, the chalk trick, I'm going to try that next time I file.
thanks y'all
Thumbs up + sub for the chalk tip. Didn't learn that in a three year vocational training.
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Seriously one of my fav Cloudkicker songs ever!
Do you know the actual name?
We were all scared. It’s off the Beacons album.
Tip no.1: Secure your work table/bench, you will be doing an awful lot more work if half of it goes into moving that table.
I'm in machine shop class for work and deburring with a file is my biggest weakness. When I file my edges of my w/p I end up rounding the corners a little...
Thanks for this Video. Do you have a more detailed video?
I liked for the chalk tip, everything else was pretty obvious for anyone owning a file/s. Ohhh, and the cleaning tip was pretty nice. I used to use compressed air or a fast high pressure rinse and quick dry... which is probably why I liked for the chalk tip.
Make sure file is flat cheap ones tends to be curve cuz maybe of quenching wrongly teeth cutting or handling work harshly.but theres a technique with curve filing which are used after conventional filing works like using a hand scraper
Coarse or smooth file for sharpening knives, scissors, etc?
Helpful Video For Us
Super useful video. A lot I didn’t know about files, about to buy my first set and dont want to ruin them
I have exam for filing we have to make this object off a sketch , rly freaking worried because I don’t understand how to get faster at filing
What the heck? a Cloudkicker song? You guys are awesome.
+Sgtblack He has appeared in many of their videos. I dont know a lot about him but maybe hes a maker?
+Sgtblack what is the name of this particular song?
+n1gdawg "Explore, Be Curious"
+n1gdawg "We were all scared" from the album Beacons.
Can a file be both use in metal and wood?
how about filing curved surfaces
I remember when I was young in shop class the teacher said "This file is called a Flat Bastard" and the whole class cracked up.
So of course we had to say it over and over again until the teacher stopped us .
Thank you
This is the first time someone has shown the right way to us a file
The main thing missing is something about proper stance at the vice, it makes a big difference.
First thing I thought of when tip about filing flat came up
Am I only the one who likes using the flat side of a half-round, instead of using just a regular flat file?
sweet thanks!
Really hate it when you go to your local hardware store and they only have double cut bastards in different shapes..
What is the Chalk for exactly?
it was very nice to finally see someone properly use a file! The only thing I do differently is use a stiff nylon brush to clean the files with.
Why stiff nylon instead of a wire brush?
@@lew708 nylon will not damage the sharpness of the teeth
For flat filing, it can be really hard to keep your hands level becausse the work forms a pivot point between your two hands and the leaverage keeps changing during your stroke. It is much easier to maintain a straight even cut if you hold the file in your dominant hand and only lightly guide it with your weak hand near the base of the file.
This helped my school project
Veri matsh
I hate having to be subscribed to this channel, just so I can watch all DiResta's videos...
He has a CZcams... Search him up you fucking owe me
+Rc Awesome not all of his videos go on his channel. Some of them are on this channel exclusively.
Rc Awesome I know that, ofcourse, but, some of his videos you only can watch on this channel and some only on core77inc channel...
Thumbs up :)
Alex
Just a tip from a toolmaker....
Do not lift the file and do not use it side ways if you are want precision results.
Files are not perfectly flat or straight. If you are trying to file a precision flat surface. Color in the surface with a marker. Use the bow of the file to take down high spots on the surface.
Can I shape steel into a specific shape with a diamond file
Too slow so maybe use a hacksaw or a chisel and later use a file or diamond file for accurate works use a measuring tool like caliper or micrometer
I am no expert here, but if I were to only have one file, which one should I get?
I messed up hard on a school aluminum block project cause I didn't know how to file correctly, lol xD
I wish I had checked out this video beforehand.
This book is a good reference: "File Filosophy by Nicholson File Co" available for download: lmgtfy.com/?q=file+filosophy It is the first link.
+littlestworkshop Thanks for the info. I really like things like this. It's an old booklet but very good.
most of it was a bit too obvious for my taste
GREAT VIDEO !!
Cloudkicker is such an odd choice of random words to generate, I can only assume that it didn't happen by chance. I reckon it's come from a character on Disney's Talespin called Kit Cloudkicker.
Chalk ✅ Got it! 😊👍
I see alot of people try to cut with the back motion of the file too, like a saw. I was told never to do that in our shop
To be fair, most hand saws in the Western world are also designed to cut only with forward motion.
Why am I watching this it's 3am i should sleep
Because you are responsible guy who really wants the work to be well done.
3pm 2hrs b4 work
secrets of the universe here
Cool. Didn't know about the chalk. Thanks! Check my videos. I have a new channel on farming, homesteading, woodworking, etc. Putting a lot of work into the videos to keep them entertaining and not boring.
you're gonna name basic 2D shapes then vaguely tell me 'use which one needs using' -_-
Number 4 should have been the first one. :D 98% of people ruin the files with the wrong use. Using the chalk was a new one for me! Thanks!
I read in an article where machonist was taught to use push stoke for general work and preserving the file the back and forth motion is where you use it when getting close to dimension to make sure you dont lose the level and the feel for the file
good video this becoming a lost art at one time this was a primary tool now there are for the most part better tools however these are a wide spread tool if a preaper packs a tool box for a bug out you will find files in the box should learn to use them and care for them
+Tom Palmer Yea don't throw them all in a box together like Adam Savage.
+icepick method It made me cringe but will it really make such a big difference for his use? Not so sure. Personally mine are in draws with the plastic DVD storage panels IKEA used to sell as dividers, it makes me happy :)
+littlestworkshop I have a couple dozen files and I literally never find a use for them. There is nothing I can think of that a file does better than any other tool in my shop. I'm pretty much always going to reach for a dremel, die grinder, angle grinder, belt sander or mill. It makes me wonder why files are still in use at all.
+Geahk Burchill I have all those tools and still use files.
*****
Maybe it's just the way my shop is set up but my air tools are always within arms reach and my files are in a drawer in my tool chest. I've never had the urge to go to my tool wall for the files when I have an air tool right at hand.
There are plenty of other hand tool where this is not the case. A block plane does something only a block plane can do. A chisel does what only a chisel can do. There are hundreds of hand-tools in my shop that don't feel obsolete.
So, out of curiosity and totally with respect, what the heck do you use your files for?
haha nice music with Cloudkicker
Do you know the song name?
👌👌👌👌👌👌👌
They did not need to make this go so hard
draw filing is only used to increase file sales btw...ya just said before that dont drag your file backwards
Nothing wrong with draw filing. Only use a singe cut file for draw filing. And remember to only pull when you have the handle in your left hand, and only push when you hold it in your right hand.
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+Mr Mürk I learned how to do that when I was 4 years old... and I was a fast learner. I doubt a 4 year old could do a maker project for arduino or for custom cases, or custom chamfered coffee tables with tiled inlay, and do this without some direction with a good set of workshop or parent/grandparent files. Also not everyone has a really good set of files, they are on a downtrend with less folks using basic fab tech, we just spool up a 3-d printer and let the computer do the work.
And that is what's wrong with the Maker culture nowadays in a nutshell, its all just "Buy an arduino, then these 3 kits, download this code, follow this wiring picture(noone can even read schematics these days) and bam! call it DIY"
+Mr Mürk I agree, This video DID remind me to buy a good set of files though, so there is that! I used to do a fair bit of machining, I don't have a 3-d printer (yet) or even a dremmel set. This video is actually promoting the old school ways!
and when worst comes to worst, use the vixen file.
Hate seeing people file back and fourth. It hurts my heart
in the UK we call double cut...double bastard files
Do we, news to me a bastards a bastard whichever way you look at it.
Your whole table is fucking shaking man.
What is fucking?
+Kiff's improved channel
to furnicate under the command of the king :P
when mommy and daddy really love each other...
+Karan Trivedi oh! Thank you! I fuck their! On my birthday I say them "I fuck you!
+Kiff's improved channel A fucking shake is one more than a single shake. So almost like a double shake. It's more an amplitude measure. So if it were shaking a little, we'd just say it was shaking. If it were shaking a lot, we'd say it's FUCKING SHAKING!
those forgotten humble tools.....
Fireball Tool pretty exhaustively tested whether backward strokes damage the teeth, and it is false. Seems like it'd be true, but it's not, it's only ever parroted by people who never tested it and never saw it happen, just got told baseless boogeyman stories.
Yeah, that's not a triangle file, it is a "three square".
Wire brushes are horrendous for your files. Much better to use a small offcut of brass to clean the teeth because it's softer
+Bart Jennings Horrendous? Honestly it is like people are in the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Files or something. The file is much harder than the card, the card is applied far less frequently than the workpiece (which may well be steel) the force that can be applied is limited. It would be interesting to see just how long it takes to blunten a file through proper use of a file card or brush, my guess is far longer than most people will ever use the file full stop.
+littlestworkshop Some people just need some silly reason to either A) justify why they are so bad at making stuff; B) feel better than the 'common people'; C) have something else to focus on instead of actually using the damn tool.
You see the same with cameras, were most internet cirkle-jerkers are only ever talking about gear acquisition and maintenance, but never actually go out to make photos. And with grammar nazis there is a similar problem: people who actually suck at language (i.e. bad writers with contorted sentences and mediocre understanding of the nuances of language) constantly bitch about some stupid grammatical rule or some silly error someone else made. All to create a false sense of superiority without having to be talented or doing the hard work of producing awesome products (be that DIY, photos or literature).
+Lukas don you have explained youtube :)
+Bart Jennings they're called file cards for a reason...and have been the official tool for this job forever, literally
+Lukas don that is one of the truest things I have ever read. +1 like
Doing this at school lol
Screw this, I just grind back and forth and rip some material off. I don''t want to be there all day.
Help even not 100 percent to what I learn
German tech students be like😮
XFILE
1st
I am first
I just am isnt it obvious`?
Who is watching this from school😂
What, afraid to say "bastard?"
Because it's just more PC to say "bastard" now than a word that conveys a useful, accurate meaning?
I'd rather listen to the file instead of garbage background songs
i was totally first
worst music
I stopped at 39 seconds here's a tip try narrating rather than computer generated music good riddance.