2010 Jeep Grand Cherokee misfire nightmare

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  • čas přidán 28. 03. 2024
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Komentáře • 43

  • @ThePracticalMechanic
    @ThePracticalMechanic Před 3 měsíci +2

    We used to see this all the time in the jeep liberty. Customer would start up the car and make it about a 100’ before it would lose power and start misfiring.
    What often happens is the O2 sensor doesn’t heat up fast enough on one bank but the computer programming allows closed loop operation as soon as one upstream O2 sensor has activity. The sensor that is slow to warm is often still sitting at a higher voltage so the computer thinks that bank is running rich and pulls all the fuel away causing a lean misfire.
    A few minutes later the both O2 sensor are warmed up and the misfire goes away.
    After having issues in the past we only replace Chrysler upstream sensors as a pairs and use OEM parts or NTK.
    Your sensor was biased low causing a rich condition at times which I haven’t seen.
    Sometimes the scan data has two PIDs for the O2 sensor voltage. A 0-1v PID and a true voltage PID which has 2.5v or 3v bias iirc.
    Most of these sensor start out at 5v when cold so I graph all 4 sensor on a cold start and see how long it takes for the voltage to drop down and start oscillating. Often times you will see one sensor lag behind the other. Compare both upstream sensor against each other and both down stream sensors against each other. The down stream will normally take longer to warm up than the upstream so don’t compare downstream to upstream.

  • @unclemarksdiyauto
    @unclemarksdiyauto Před 3 měsíci +1

    Sweet issue! Too bad the customer spent all that extra cash on the other unnecessary parts, but it happens. At least now it’s fixed and they will be happy.

  • @8power0
    @8power0 Před 3 měsíci +4

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @cakeoid
    @cakeoid Před 2 měsíci

    Thats exactly what it was. This thing is running like a new car.
    Definatly recommend. Will come back with my 07 lassic silverado. Thanks oz I know u were the right man for job.

  • @bartscave
    @bartscave Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thanks for taking the time to share this information!

  • @porky7753
    @porky7753 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great work Mr Oz

  • @JoseGonzalez-zs9lv
    @JoseGonzalez-zs9lv Před 3 měsíci

    You are the best teaching us how tobuse data live on the scanner to find the real issue

  • @rayp.454
    @rayp.454 Před 3 měsíci

    Another great diag. Thanks Oz!

  • @riblets1968
    @riblets1968 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Excellent diagnostic! The Open Loop Fault status for bank one, once you got it to come up, was the key to the rest of it. Noice!

  • @advancedleveldiagnostics
    @advancedleveldiagnostics Před 3 měsíci

    Great diag, Thanks for sharing!

  • @jgeorges3061
    @jgeorges3061 Před 3 měsíci

    OZ, Brother u always rock and thanks for going extra step to show obd2 data and misfire in it that made it clear bank # 1 is the problem well done thanks for sharing. cheeeeeers

  • @arazaliguliyev
    @arazaliguliyev Před 2 měsíci

    Hello everyone
    - Closed loops indicates that fuel consumption based on maps that’s commonly use when cold engine and open loop shows that fuel consumption based on airflow sensor, oxygen sensor and other sensors readings , if I wrong plz correct my mistake. high Woltage of first sensor indicate that fuel is lean. reason of lean mixture mainly is high air and low fuel. smoke test may be useful in this case.
    - waves of first oxygen sensor must have same altitude otherwise it’s dead or tired out. first oxygen sensor have direct influence on air fuel mixture and sometimes it sends wrong information to computer when heating up that indicates it’s dead cz it may stuck on both high or low voltage, -second oxygen sensor only indicates catalyst converting properties, it has horizontal continuous line on graph, if there is not catalyst then graph of second oxygen sensor replying praph of first sensor. second oxygen sensor doesn’t have any influence to air fuel mixture.

  • @russbaer3178
    @russbaer3178 Před 2 měsíci

    Just had a similar issue on my 07 GC with a 4.7.
    Problem was dust accumulation in the connectors going into the pcm.
    unplugged everything, blew it out, no issues for last 2 weeks.

  • @porfiriolopez8937
    @porfiriolopez8937 Před 2 měsíci

    Nice job

  • @user-gy6fo5xj7z
    @user-gy6fo5xj7z Před měsícem

    I try to explain to techs about the back door ways of that side but.,, 😪 also weird cause in those u click on “which cylinder is misfiring” and It usually shows.

  • @keltecshooter
    @keltecshooter Před 3 měsíci

    DTCs are in a particular order for a reason, i typically focus on the lowest number code when there are numerous DTCs.
    Waste spark systems tend to lie about the misfires detected

  • @jameslewis1175
    @jameslewis1175 Před 3 měsíci

    nice n yeah on the dodges gotta do mode 6

  • @MechanicTechnicianRepair
    @MechanicTechnicianRepair Před 3 měsíci

    Experience diagnosis master mui bueno men saludes noel

  • @dwaynemedlin8683
    @dwaynemedlin8683 Před 3 měsíci

    I believe you are correct.

  • @gautorepair
    @gautorepair Před 3 měsíci +1

    I got my money on o2 sensor 1. Had several similar experience with chevy vans. Just fixed my dads van with same issue. I recommend you replace both bank sensor 1. Hope all is well my bro.👍

    • @OzMechanics
      @OzMechanics  Před 3 měsíci

      Btw G. Someone called me yesterday wanting to get your number. They said they contacted you before

    • @gautorepair
      @gautorepair Před 3 měsíci

      @@OzMechanics yes he was able to contact me. Cool dude. Ill have to the story with you. He is having an issue with an ac that has him very frustrated. Hopefully we'll get it squared away. At least pointed in the right direction. Thanks

  • @fredsalter1915
    @fredsalter1915 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Adding fuel? Vacuum leak?

  • @mikechiodetti4482
    @mikechiodetti4482 Před 3 měsíci

    I think you've got it. B1S2 proved it!
    When you look at B2S1graph and B2S2 graph, they show what's correct!
    NICE DIAG!

  • @randyhughes5160
    @randyhughes5160 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I would check the oil see if it high and has gas in it if it does even when you change it the down stream will read rich

    • @OzMechanics
      @OzMechanics  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Oil would cause both backs to read. Only one read a difference

    • @randyhughes5160
      @randyhughes5160 Před 3 měsíci +1

      You know a lean condition makes it run rich if you don’t want to check it then don’t

  • @fredautos
    @fredautos Před 3 měsíci +1

    Fun fuel Trip diagnosis o'z
    Obd ii generic mode is always the key,!
    Thanks man

  • @user-xi4yz8iz7l
    @user-xi4yz8iz7l Před 2 měsíci

    I have a 11 jeep CherokeeI done a tune up and Oxygen sensors and the car still miss Firing

  • @jorgemat8080
    @jorgemat8080 Před 3 měsíci

    Maybe we mechanics should start informing customers car owners about the price hike coming up to repair their cars thanks to the nastf new rule taking effect soon.

    • @ThePracticalMechanic
      @ThePracticalMechanic Před 3 měsíci

      For the most part it will only be changing the immobilizer function we use. Every day scan tool function won’t be affected.

    • @jorgemat8080
      @jorgemat8080 Před 3 měsíci

      @ThePracticalMechanic agree, but fine print says anything oe determines it's security, swapping any electronic part that needs pin codes to program. Bcm/ecm/abs/ebcm, etc. rude awaking coming and cost hikes for any car owners repairs.

  • @sheerwillsurvival2064
    @sheerwillsurvival2064 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Show the fix ? Part 2?

    • @OzMechanics
      @OzMechanics  Před 3 měsíci +3

      Nothing too special fuel trims showed normal. oxygen sensor was fluctuating from .200 .800 didn’t see no fun in that. Wanted to focus on the diag part

    • @sheerwillsurvival2064
      @sheerwillsurvival2064 Před 3 měsíci

      @@OzMechanics 🫤👍🏻

  • @HouseCallAutoRepair
    @HouseCallAutoRepair Před 3 měsíci +2

    Sensor 2 usually does what sensor 1 does, when they both work....

    • @OzMechanics
      @OzMechanics  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Are you saying downstream copies upstream ?

    • @sohailrabani
      @sohailrabani Před 3 měsíci +2

      No way they copy data 😮 ..if they copy how computer see it and manipulate fuel trims?

    • @davidgriffin14
      @davidgriffin14 Před 3 měsíci +5

      Wrong.

    • @dude8165
      @dude8165 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Rule of thumb When upstream is lean & Downstream is rich 🤔 its a red 🚩

    • @jgeorges3061
      @jgeorges3061 Před 3 měsíci +2

      dead wrong if sensor 2 copy senor 1 that means the catalytic is bad not doing its job simple what goes in goes out.