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Best couple's RV? | Grand Design Imagine XLS 22MLE vs the Competition
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- čas přidán 31. 03. 2022
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We Visit the Mpls RV show to see how the Grand Design Imgaine XLS compares to ten other half ton towable couple's RVs!
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Wifey and I agree Grand Design are the best for what we need. We got the 2250RK which has a rear kitchen, huge mid bath and private front bedroom. The reason we went with that floorplan is because I get up earlier than she does so being able to close both bedroom and bathroom doors makes it so she doesn't hear me making coffee and I can get online and do my stuff before she wakes up. We got the optional reclining sofa rather than a dinette, much more comfortable. We previously had Jayco and Winnebago travel trailers, the Grand Design is much better in every way in our opinion. Thanks for the great look see!
Good pick and thanks for watching!
I bought a 2250RK in 2019 and changed the recliners to a sofa couch. made it easier to bring a couple of other people.
One point to check on is if you have full access from bed to bath with the bump out all the way in. If you want to overnight off grid it’s good to bed able to get to the frig and bath.
Great point!
Your preview was AWESOME. I'd already decided I'm downsizing from a 31' Rockwood 5th wheel to the xls22 mle, but I really appreciated your excellent comparisons of multiple campers. I appreciate the straightforward approach and the multiple options.
Glad it was helpful!
I purchased that exact GD 17MKE model from the show. The gap in the slide people have pointed out is the chrome strip that goes around the wood on the slide out. Very pleased with GD's quality so far. From all the models of that size we looked at during the show GD and Rockwood took the win for best quality without breaking the bank for a Lance.
Good choice!
@@DriveNorth I like the Rockwood and the GD.. but with the GD, it has too much wood in the structure for my taste vs the RW or even an Ember
After lots of comparing, purchased a GD 22MLE 6 mo. ago and it has been solid. Love the space and the storage. Was also looking at the Cougar but the MLE had more storage especially the drawers on the sides of bed which cougar didn't offer. Would recommend without hesitation. good luck.
Good pick and happy camping!
Jayco jay feather 22rb in my opinion is the ultimate couples unit. Huge bath! Huge pantry! 12 volt fridge and solar with easy installation of inverter and large battery capacity. 2 years now and no issues and off grid for weeks.
They didn't have one at this show, but I'd be interested in checking one out.
The nobo 19.6 you show in this is one of my favorites with the counter island to sit at it definitely is a game changer for a couples coach and not needing both a dinette and a couch plus the interior looks great in these
That was one of my wife's favorites too.
Thanks! Nice quick overview of a lot of options!
Thanks for watching!
Grand Designs quality and floor plans I find to be the best in the business. We got the 200MKE Grand Design, we felt it was 'our' perfect Couples Trailer. Great review !
Great to hear!
Me and my wife are without children now and retired. We purchased a 2022 grand design transcend xplor 221rb, we have only been out twice since purchasing but we love it. I also have a 2022 f150 with the tow package and it tows great and our one outing was 400 miles from home. No problems.
Sounds like a sweet set up!
Have a look at a Rockwood 2507S, it gives you a full queen Murphy bed, a couch with flip out leg supports, a large U-shaped dinette, absolutely the most storage in a camper under 26 feet plus a very large bathroom. We have a 2020 model and probably the feature that we love the most, that we didn't even realize we wanted, is the large outdoor kitchen. Having an external two burner stove and a gas griddle, we virtually never cook inside! Check it out if you get a chance.
I will. I've always been very impressed with Rockwoods.
Great reviews, however there was no mention of the Jayco 21MML. It has a dry weight of 5200lb and GVW of 6500. I feel it is a contender for your needs as if offers a queen muphy bed sofa, Full reclining lounge chairs as well as a dinette. The kitchen is a rear corner setup with ample counter space and storage. 12v Fridge and movable smart TV. The only drawback I see is the porcelain toilett. We are considering downsizing from a 37 ft 5th wheel and as of now this would be the #1 choice.
Yes, that sounds like a great model too. Unfortunately, they didn't have one at the show to review.
Dont know if they had these there, but the Keystone Cougar 22MLS or 22 RBS or the Heartland Mallard M210RB are both great couples RVs. I own a 2021 Mallard M210RB and I really enjoy it. I would prefer the Cougar 22RBS but its price point is much higher than the Mallard so that is what I went with :)
I didn't run across those at this show, but I'll keep my eye out at future dealer visits! We own a 2018 Mallard M185 and have been pretty happy with it.
Having both a double recliner and a dinette in a true half ton towable is a hard to beat combination. The latest now has 12V frig and solar but you are going to need something like a lithium battery to keep that 12V frig on, however it is 10 cf vs 8 cf. Those recliners go all the way back and I can sleep in them. You didn't show the pantry but it is huge and difficult to reach into the back but tons of storage. The lance looks nice but I don't think it can beat the floor plan of the GD 22 mle.
Good points all around, we are probably going to pull the trigger on one next season. Thanks for watching.
@@DriveNorth Did you happen to come across a TT that can run the AC off of batteries?
I feel like the Lance 2075 is the cream of the crop for smaller trailers good for a couple. No slides and yet still a large bedroom area and huge wrap around dinette. Just wish those things weren't so damn expensive.
Yes, they are top notch campers, but you do pay for it!
Good presentation. I'm picking up our new Grand Design 22RBE next week! We have had good luck with Rockwood Mini Lite TT, but the GD just fits better.
Good choice!
We have a flagstaff mini lite 2516s and we absolutely love it. Before that we had and before that we had 2511s. Just wanted a bigger bedroom so that why we moved to the 2516s.
They do seem like well built campers. We finally bought a couple's camper and ended up with a Flagstaff 21DS. Just couldn't find the right deal on an Imagine.
May recommend the Grand Design 2670 MK as an option to consider.
Yes, that is a great one, but just a tad larger than I want.
On the 17MKE you can see light coming through on the slide out on the right side. Does not look to be sealed too good.
I noticed the daylight coming thru also. No good for wind and bugs.
I think what you are seeing is light reflecting off of a chrome strip. It's actually sealed up pretty well.
I think what you are seeing is light reflecting off of a chrome strip. It's actually sealed up pretty well.
Which camper did you buy? I just bought the GD 22 MLE two weeks ago from General RV here in Ashland Va. Paid 32K. Absolutely LOVE it. Took it out this past weekend on its first trip and it tows great with my GMC Sierra 1500. Lots of storage space and very comfy.
We haven't bought one yet. Just looking ahead...perhaps in a year or two. My wife is now leaning towards the MPG, but the MLE is still my favorite. I think you made a great choice!
Thanks for sharing all of the models!
Our pleasure!
Hands down the Keystone Cougar 22MLS tops all of these and the quality of buold and materials is fat better.
I lot of people like that model
the GD 22 MLE does have the best floor plan.
Agreed
Wow look at the gap on the GD XLS MKE17 slideout. I thought it was a chrome accent then realized its the outdoors peeking through!
No, it is the chrome strip, it looks deceiving in the video.
Failed to include the real winner: Cougar 22MLS
Unfortunately they didn't have one of those at that the show. I'll have to check one out at a dealer.
Rockwood is my pick
It's solid
Great pick!
Thanks
The escape bathroom is way too small, reminds me of our coleman that I couldn't
use the shower in it as it was too little! Couldn't trade that in fast enough! I really
like the Imagine 22 RBE design the bathroom is the best. Great huge bathroom &
shower.
Yes, especially for a relatively small RV.
There's something wrong with putting the toilet right next to the food preparation area. In fact, on this trailer, it's between the kitchen and dinette. That's just not right.
I see your point, seems there are compromises with every layout.
Great review! Thanks a lot.👍
My pleasure!
I don’t like that the Rockwood has 2 doors I feel these smaller units don’t need 2 doors
Good point
Hard to beat the 22MLE.
Agreed
Looks like the East to West 1900 MMK & the 2350 KRK are bringing it to these better know brands. Price and quality will determine our purchase. Right now it’s would be the East to West for us.
I've been hearing good things about that brand.
the cougar 22mls better fix and finish and is all weather and approved for full time living
Yes, I've heard good things about that model.
I'm sure the prices have gone up since then
Seems like prices are going up by the day!
wife and I recently went through the same buying process. Find a travel trailer with a dinette and sofa as close to 25 feet as possible. We had a few more criteria as well. Here's your top contenders and why we didnt choose rhem:
MPG 2100RB- Their sliding king bed is gimmicky and a waste of space. Small bathroom.
RW minilite 2514s- Loved this one except the bathroom was a little too tight
GD 22mle- Slide isn't floor flush. Walking up to the fridge or stove area.you hit your foot on the slide out..
We ended up buying a RW mini lite 2507s- True queen murphy bed, large u dinette ginormous bathroom, tons of storage, extra large outside kitchen, 2" hitch receiver, and good solar options from the factory. 25'10" and 5700lb dry.
Great insight and thanks for watching!
Why do so many people worry about a dining area ? Eat outside at the bench. You're camping. Or go try a reataurant. Get you a tv dinner stand to put in front of the sofa. Dining tables take up a lot of space and are SUPER uncomfortable to sit at for any period of time.
We like a table as we do puzzles, board games, cribbage etc. Sometimes its too cold, windy, or rainy to do those things outside. To each his own I guess.
Exactly about the games and weather! I love I’m the PNW and it’s cool and drizzly much of the time. I love the idea of sitting at the booth and playing games or working on my laptop in the comfort of a dry warm space!
I kinda like the KZ
its solid
What about the transcend 221rb.
Another great model. Unfortunately there wasn't one at the show to film.
Looks like a cool show. Did they have motorhomes too?
They did, but we didn't have enough time to look at any. I could easily spend two days at an RV show.
Sorry. Deal buster are Murphy beds. Not into Murphy beds, not into curtains. I'm sure there are couples RVs that offer sliding door closures instead of Murphy beds. and curtains.
We couldn't find the right deal on any of these and actually ended up with a Flagstaff 21ds which has a murphy bed. Definity some pros and cons. A closing bedroom door is ideal, but you can get a lot of space in a really small RV with a murphy which we like.
Do not like murphy beds. Cougar 22MLS of Passport GT 2400RB much better. BTW.... Its not a pocket door to the bathroom, it's a "barn door" in that setup.
We ended up getting a Flagstaff 21ds that has a Murphey bed. Definitely some pros and cons, but we are pretty happy with it. I didn't get a change to film the Cougar, but I've heard good things.
Why do you need "good tread" on trailer tires, are the wheels coupled to electric drive motors?
That is actually a great question. I think it's mostly for show.
You know what I absolutely hate about Murphy beds. You can see the sheets hanging out you can see a bed is there. I really hate that. Can’t they put a piece of vinyl there??? Anything ugh!! Better yet make a cabinet it fits in!! They are so expensive do it right!
Good point
wat a useful upload,all the best. broth.😉
Thank you!
Looks like daylight showing at the right side of the slide.
I think you might be seeing light reflecting off of a chrome strip, they are actually sealed up pretty good.
@@DriveNorth yes I was at the dealer yesterday and checked it out, you where correct.
Lost me because my husband and love cooking outside and this has no outside kitchen.
Yes, that is one flaw with this one.
Imagine 23 LDE is the best
Unfortunately, they didn't have one at the show to review .
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keystone passport 252rd is a lot better
I'm not familiar with that one, I'll check it out.
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Way too many Murphy beds!
Yes, when looking for a shorter camper, that seems to be the trend
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Re: Turbo-lag.
JOSH: YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE A TURBO DIESEL!
And it's okay, most people don't. And I'll teach you how, below.
But stop driving them like a '65 GTO with a Holley double-pumper. With those carburetors, a "hard stomp" actually squirted more gas into the venturies to cover the brief lean condition, as the air velocity accelerates faster than the fuel velocity through the Jets. Go ahead and "stomp on the gas" in your non-turbo vehicles.
BUT, you are slowing down the diesel when you do that. What you have done is you "stalled the turbo" by "flooding it with air".
Let me explain...
Max power comes at Max boost. Max boost comes from Max turbine speed. Max turbine speed is reached fastest with maximum turbine acceleration. You're with me still (sorry, I'm an engineer, who bought the first VW New Beetle TDI in Western Canada in June 1998, and put 200,000 kms on it in 3 years. I had lots of chances to experiment, while blowing off "rice rockets" at the stop lights, and have had a couple more turbo diesels since).
So, turbine acceleration: pushing it faster is the exhaust gasses. They accelerate it, if they can. What's resisting it is the air that It's compressing. For it to spin, it has to push that air into the cylinders. So, how much it resists "spinning up" to max boost depends on how much air you make it compress (because the engine and turbo haven't yet sped up) so .... I'm sure you've figured out the problem ... if you floor it, causing the throttle body to open all the way, you instantly take the compressor from running at high vacuum (meaning "very thin air", with little resistance to spinning) letting it spin easily, and you let mother nature use her 15 PSI of normal pressure at the air filter to just fill that compressor with more air than it can push into the cylinders. So now it is really raising acceleration. And since the exhaust turbine is only being pushed by the exhaust coming from that engine that is just rumbling along, it can't overcome the resistance of all that air. So what happens, is the engine accelerates just from the atmospheric air pressure, without the aid of turbo boost. Basically, you've turned your turbo engine into a non-turbo engine, just by flooring it. But it will get more air and fuel and create more exhaust, and that will push the turbo a bit, which will create a bit of boost leading to more exhaust, and accelerating the turbine a bit more. But this is the slowest way to accelerate the turbine.
IF YOU WANT TO GO FAST then you have to press the accelerator pedal down slowly!
Yes, that is counter intuitive, but you will feel the difference as you cut down on turbo lag by letting the turbine spin.
How slow do you press it? Good question. It depends how slow it is going. For example, when you're stopped and the light turns green, you need to go really slow, maybe taking an entire second plus to get to "floored" state. But if you're cruising at 55 MPH and want to pass, is already spinning pretty quick, and you can drop it in a fraction of a second. And pushing it slower, the power level should track with the pedal.
Of course, every engine and setup is different, so you have to experiment, and do that with every turbo diesel that to step into. (And you may have to press the pedal slower when the engine is cold than when it's warmed up, etc. too. You were probably testing with a cold engine and that's worse).
Okay, that's the lesson for today.
With some control of that right foot, you will accelerate quicker, smoother, and get rid of that annoying lag. Have fun experimenting!
Good info!