2021 BMW M3, M4 | More Power, More Sideways
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- We review the new 2021 BMW G80, G82 M3, and M4 Competition to find out if these are everyday super cars. Do you want a manual transmission, you got it. Smooth automatic, with a transmission cooler, check. We cover the good and the bad including the technical details. We drive both cars on the street and track to help buyers decide between cars like Mercedes AMG, Audi RS3, Lexus RCF, and Toyota Supra.
Index:
00:00 Intro
1:10 Interior Impressions
3:24 Mechanical Impressions - Suspension and Changes
6:50 The Engine and Transmission
10:45 Street Drive M3 Manual
13:40 Track Drive M3 Manual at Autobahn Country Club
17:56 Track Drive M4 Competition
20:36 Final Thoughts - Auta a dopravní prostředky
To me as a Wisconsinite, Jack referring to 85-90mph as a normal highway speed is the most Illinois moment ever captured on this channel.
🤣 mark and I are fibs
i want the carbon buckets purely for the *ballsaque holster*
Find someone that can make you giggle like Jack can for Mark.
😂
"out of the entire BMW F80 M3 production (pre-LCI and LCI), 5,426 units were fitted with manual transmissions while the remaining 29,251 units were automatics. That means about 15.5% of the BMW M3 cars sold were manuals and a lot of them went to North America, where the ratio was nearly twice as high at 28 percent, compared to 3.54% in the rest of the world combined"
LOL
It really sucks man in South Africa the F80 was never sold as a manual and I want one REALLY BAD but importing ain't worth it for me, really SAD...
A used F80 manual commands a premium over the DCT models (if you can even find one). I own a 2018 DCT model, and while I love this transmission, I still pine over a proper manual. Curious how the auto transmission in the G80 compares to the DCT.
@@nuevocomienzo9571 Auto does 90% of what the DCT did, but feels a lot more pedestrian and less racy than the full throttle upshifts/awesome downshifts of the DCT. You get the same basic kind of trans in the M340, 330, etc.. there's a reason Porsche is still using and developing them
I used to have a LCI F80 Manual. That stick was frankly one of the only things I actually "loved" about that car.
@@papa_pt True but the ZF doesn't have the low speed jerkiness and harsh often unsettling upshifts. The BMW DCT was never on par with the PDK or Audi DSG IMO, its not a loss but its a shame BMW couldnt develop something better
The manual G80 M3 might be one of the best daily drivers of all time…
Size is just right for stuff and family, engine is an absolute savage, looks great IMO, modern tech, fast as hell, handles great, decent gas milage, sporty when you want, comfortable when you don’t & last of the manuals…
I can confirm this as accurate
I may be in the minority, but I genuinely LOVE the beaver look on the sedan ONLY. It’s hideous on the G82. But the G80? It just works. I’m also happy that you can get it in manual. It’s definitely on my short list of daily driver purchases for my next buy.
"Alright jack, I'm gonna pass these miatas because they make me SICK."
"FUCK miatas! all my homies HATE miatas!"
It might be a new 3 and 4 series. But it’s old school ugly as hell. That grill has got to go
@@robertbonefant8271 I would actually consider auto/awd on the M3 for once if not for that grill.
and the Miata drivers would smile looking at them
The opening shots are reminiscent of the glory days of top gear in a good way. The effort you guys put in can't be duplicated. Top notch.
- So when you do start liking the front end?
- That's the neat thing. You don't.
The entire car is horrendous.
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT the m4 doesn't even have a hoffmeister kink. it looks like a beaverized lc500
Unpopular opinion... the 4 door is the best looking modern BMW I've seen so far. Decrease the size of my fair lady's beaver teeth and we'd be in business.
IMO the best looking modern BMW is the 2018 BMW M2. It looks good at every angle.
@@SiRSteel69 Have to agree with you, the 2018 M2 imo has a strong resemblance to the e46 m3 in terms of design language and for me it looks sleeker than the latter.
Every time I see that grille I think, "Nice beaver."
Thanks. I just had it stuffed.
@@theMLBfan was looking for this comment. You did not disappoint.
@@theMLBfan Damn. Beat me to it!
@@theMLBfan They don't make comedies that good anymore
Sigh. Me too. And I own a 6MT M3. So this happens on a daily basis.
I see you listening to the Cowboy Bebop sound track Savagegeese, respect
It's funny, I actually started watching the anime because of the soundtrack. It's just so good!
Seatbelts!
@@HandsomeAlex25 if you like anime with good soundtracks you’ll love samurai champloo
Bebop is Gold Tier
That green paint is amazing. BMW killing it with paint options these days
4:16
I felt that Mark, I really did
That powerslide Jack did in the M4 at the start was masterful - big top gear vibes there!
3:46 don't think we didn't notice that tag on your cap Mark 🤣.
Yeah, but it's no Taco Hat.
Did he pay for it? Or was it a five finger discount?
@@Maggieismydog When I was young, my dad always taught me to never cut the tag off so I can refund it.
I thought he was doin' a Minnie Pearl from Hee Haw kinda thing.
Fresh af
the extra little easter eggs you guys hide in the videos are hilarious, love it!
Just when I thought another M3/M4 comparo was too much to bear, you guys’ ability to personalize the driving experience made it fun to watch.
The Germans have overdone the grill on that car in the same way they've overdone their French holiday in 1939.
Frate te vad la toate clipurile bune cu masini 🔥😂
@@ionuttomu where else have you seen me?
@@dragospahontu carwow, Autovantage, Automasterchef, Atelierul de detailing… you name it
Mark my geeky works. In 6 years when they come out with the new BMW M3 and they double the size of the grill again, every car review CZcamsr is going to say "I liked the grill size in the last gen! - or - the size of the grill of the last gen wasn't that bad!"
@@YaYousef5 there's no way they keep this design. They're gonna facelift this and put the M2 grill on and everyone is going to want to but the facelift.
This is the first car that I’ll never back park lol.
😂😂
I’ve been out of touch with you guys the last few months but returned to re-view this comparo. I was immediately made aware of the relaxed and laid-back vibe of your show - you two never seeming to be attempting to ingratiate yourselves with the viewers. I love it! As the Brits say, never let them see you trying.
Its been said before but it must be said again, i love all the technical sheets, graphs, and materials you guys get and post in these reviews in the mechanical/shop portion. I always have my phone ready to pause so I can read through them, really good stuff to nerd out on!
02:00 Yeah Cowboy Bebop OP.
Jack definitely is an anime fan, he hinted at that quite a few times.
I've seen so much good stuff put on there for their reviews. Eurobeat, classic rock, funk, jazz fusion, all manner of stuff
jacks waifu can confirm
There was a "See you space cowboy" license plate frame on the car too lol
@@josephpbrown i also love it when you find new stuff. Jojo introduced me to classic rock.
The looks don't bother me half as much as that lifeless fake engine noise.
Sounds like a post-failed cosmetic surgery situation.
I can say the looks bother me equally, but…point taken. Makes my little flat-6 seem sonorous in comparison. 😕
You can easily code the fake engine noise off, without affecting the actual exhaust.
You can code it out. But you can't code out the grill.
You can always fix the exhaust. You’re not fixing that abomination of a grill.
I always get a kick out of these two doing reviews .... the humor ..... and dry humor .... it's pure classic !
Man, every time I see one of these it reminds me just how badly I want a Giulia QV.
Good idea to test facelift version Mark?
The Giulia looks like a jelly bean 1999 Ford Contour. I'm ordering an M3.
In terms of looks, the last generation m3 had a sleek profile, and was atleast comparable to the gorgeously sculpted Alfa. But with this new hot mess, the whole sleekness is lost and the confident face is replaced by beaver teeth. The only redeeming factor about this car is the 6spd manual.
@@sidshady7413 The Giulia is nowhere near as 'gorgeously sculpted' as a lentil. Seriously. Look at a 1999 Ford Contour. Same thing. It's a sad attempt at smooshing the Alfa 8C into a sedan shape. There's zero of the charm of classic Alfas, and the only worse looking Alfas are the 147 GTA and the SZ. At least the SZ is interesting.
Both the M3 and the Giulia are genuinely thrilling (as in kinda scary) to drive, even in automatic and blow away something like the Audi RS5 for drama.
@@thinkfaster that's the beautiful thing about beauty, to me the Giulia is one of the most beautiful sedans of all time whereas the last gen M3 was uninspired and the current M3 is downright garish.
Who isn’t subscribed to SG? Keep it up boys. Some of the best car content out there.
Savagegeese knocking ANOTHER one out of the damn park. Best channel on the toobs!
Love the music! Especially those heavy percussion hits right around a minute five seconds.
Aside from that grille, it’s good to see that BMW still knows how to make a good driver’s car especially with something that has a straight six and manual transmission which you don’t see often nowadays
I'm pretty sure you don't see I6 manuals anywhere else, unless I'm missing something.
@@dougrobinson8602 Yeah you're definitely right!
Agreed, since alfa unfortunately discontinued the manual transmission giulia qv, it makes this special. Gotta respect BMW for that
@@dougrobinson8602 Rumors of inline 6 in the upcoming Mazda CX-50, so maybe they'll drop it to new Miata? Or Mazda 6? Please keep the manual yo
@@sidshady7413 the Giulia QV is an amazing car all around really an M3 killer
But the M3 is also a good car
I don't know where you get your technical info but I'm truly impressed and you do the same no matter the cost of the vehicle you two guys make make a great team .LATER GATOR
Love this channel. I want the new m3 in wagon form with a manual ofcourse. I currently have a supercharged manual e90 m3.
Best review chanel on CZcams, great production as always
This is the best auto review channel on CZcams. Great job guys.
Gotta keep the tag on the hat to show em what a real Motorsport enthusiast looks like
Perfect timing, mine finally arrives on Monday! Iom green, manual! Can’t wait
Good on you for getting a manual. Enjoy it!
So much driving in this episode! Really enjoyed it!
x drive next please guys. Great job as always. You guys are 1 of my 5 channels that I trust and agree with 99% of the time. Just ordered my M4 comp x drive and will be my 5 gen of M3/4 I have owned (wish I kept the E36 now).
green has never been a fav color of mine but it looks so good on that bimmer that i think i could forgive the hellmouth up front
Jack - the gear ratios are perfect. If you have gears that are too high you fall into the big Porsche manual mistake of gears being too high that you can't use on the street or too many gears in a manual that cause missed shifts. Thank you BMW for getting it right! Great review other than that one point guys!
Old comment but agreed nobody wants to still be in 2nd gear going 85 mph
I enjoyed this video, thanks for breaking down the info we needed to make a purchase decision.
To be perfectly honest, I am not a car person. I don't 100%follow the under body segment, but I find the videos entertaining nonetheless. Keep up the good work!
TANK! Cowboy Bebop! I knew there was a reason I watched this channel! :)
Great production value as always
Thank you for shooting this in 4k
Great video guys. Love your approach to motoring👌🏽
Beautifully done as always. Looking forward to your 10 part docu series on That Grill.
Car looks great. Im ok with front end. The paint is also amazing.
Ok that intro with the drifting was fire
Great explanation and editing. Top notch video. Thank you
You guys are the best in the biz. Premium.
best car reviews in the world .
I'm loving the intros more and more guys, keep it up 🔥🔥🔥🏎️🏎️
I don't too much care for BMW's but your production quality is on another level and kept me watching!
Love you, guys. Still miss Turbowski,though
What happened to Turbowski?
Personally I like the new look of the M4 vs the previous gen.
of course you'd bring the slew of M3/M4 reviews to a whole new level.
another Great review.. thanks guys.
The giant grill is actually starting to grow on me. I configured a murdered-out M440i on BMW's website and it's scary in a good way.
I love the reaction of Mr.Goose when Jack launches the M3 @ 11:44
That gasp tho
@@Jdm4292 - you could say, the M3 took his breath away. 😉
Great review, i enjoyed watching you guys laughing like a couple of children! I'd love to own one of these, but pretty sure I never will.
When are these manufacturers going to learn that fake engine noise is not good. Thank you for the great video. Keep doing what you guys are doing don't get discouraged by the bureaucracy of the car industry.
Much like the coupe SUVs, BMW knows what sells. As much as people complain about the 4 series, they're selling well. 2600 sold in June vs 4800 3 series. The way the internet talks you would have thought the 4 series would have been only 10% of 3 series sales, anything but.
Also worth noting the vast majority of these are sold in the US, people need to stop blaming the grill on the Chinese market. This atrocious giant grill is for the US, and it's working.
GERMAN POWAHHHHHHHHHHH! also seeing this car in person is much better than video or pictures! the M3 is
It's still an ugly front. Uglier than Lexus.
No, it isn't. It's just ugly.
Jack's giggles are the best.
3:47
Love the way the host wears his cap with the tag still ON. 😄👍🏻
Always nice to see Cowboy Bebop music loaded on the head unit.
Jack beating his chest to monkey noises is the best part of my weekend. Top notch as always guys!
great review guys! thanks!
If you’re still complaining about the grilles, you’re missing the point.
Remember in the early 2000s when Audi went to a massive singular grille, and then Lexus soon followed, and then Hyundai too?
The times, the times - they are a changin.
Having said that, I think the M3 looks far less distracting than the diamond-cross-hatch style of the standard 3 and 4 series.
As an avid BMW enthusiast and driver; thank you Mark and Jacques, and those that donated vehicles to make this video possible.
Great work as always, gents.
"You can fulfill the full bmw stereotype" hahaha
As someone who works at a BMW dealership, I can't wait to see you guys review the 2022 230 and 240!
Love your reviews guys.
10:51: “Oh boy Mark”
don’t sound so excited Jack 😂
This aged like a fine wine. The G80 M3 is quickly becoming one of my favorite BMW designs (e90,e46,e60,f8x,f90,g80)
You know it’s an American car review when you hear “various body types” 3 times
please dont give up on making videos - you are great
That front end made it through all the design stages, internal reviews, customer clinics & sign-offs - hilarious. The Germans really do have a sense of humour
Congratulations on a new cap Mark! Or have you returned it and got $3.99 + tax back?
It was more like $29.99
@@savagegeese reminds me of one anecdote - two Russian oligarchs discuss their watches - "I bought this one there for $200000" - "Hah, you're a cheap idiot! I bought the same in that boutique for $300000!"
@@savagegeese ok we get it. You're rich.
@@supaahflyy It was originally $120 but when I told them how important I was they sold it to me for $29.99.
@@savagegeese we all know you returned it after you filmed this and got a Honda hat!
The new M3 and M4 are so good because Alfa Romeo gave them a wake-up call when the Giulia Q kicked the F80 M3's ass...
You can at least drive the BMW. The Alfa does look good on a lift with its hood up though.
Alfa romeos are so shitty inside. The leather feels like shit. Everything squeaks and it’s like a Audi rip off minus quality.
Apart from the bad looks, the fake exhaust note these BMWs though, it's a big facepalm for me. It only makes me appreciate the giulia qv more.
@@Szcza04 You feel the FCA in the Alfa Romeo.
@@sidshady7413 It's an amazing car, and then there are the GTA and GTAm models 🥵
You had me at manual transmission! A manual transmission is the Fountain of Youth.
There’s a big rumor that the BMW M4 G82 engine will be in the next Toyota Supra with a manual transmission. I’m in!
WOW! What a stellar video and comparison.
Almost everyone talked shit about the Lexus grills...BMW: "Hold my bier!"
@Steven Strain ? Lexus had the hourglass grills from the mid 2000s. It just grew bigger and joined into a single grill in 2014.
@@Tenzen. it may have started with the 04/05 Audi A8 lol
@@papa_pt 01 Lexus LS has a big front grill similar to the 05 A8, but it wasn't an hourglass yet.
My comment wasn't really about copying though. It was just that people said Lexus front grills were ugly. But the BMW grill is a step above.
@@Tenzen. nah man the 05 Audi A8 6.0 was when they went for the full front frame. Lexus didn't reach big schnoz until the spindle like you said
@@Tenzen. I’m pretty sure Audi started the big grill trend and along with DRLs
Those helmets - thought I was watching Spaceballs
"I'm surrounded by assholes!"
WE AINT FOUND SHIT!
I just noticed they got a Cowboy Bebop soundtrack playing in the M4
Everydody has some serious reservations about the packaging and control feel but is in awe of what it can achieve, especially on the track.
Alternate title: “2021 M3 and M4 | Things are about to get ugly”
😂😂😂
This is what BMW Motorsport does. Take their ordinary models and make them suitable for track use. It takes a lot of engineering to do that. Look at that engine. A straight six with twin turbos that brings home the bacon. For me personally, the new M3 and M4 are too big to comfortably hustle on the track. Which is why I have the M2. It's a mad scientist car that escaped the lab. I love it.
Hey man, the tag is still on your hat. Great video!
been waiting for this video. thx guys
Don't know which is better to look at, the grill of these 2 cars or my patient's fungal toe nails
😂😂😂
Any reliability concerns down the road. And I cannot wait until you guys review the IS500 and fingers crossed you guys share some thoughts between IS500 and M3. BTW, great video as always.
And I do agree with you guys, M3 is better looking than M4, way better looking.
great as always
M3 was my childhood dream, well into high school. Still is.
You have a disappointing life if that POS is your dream car.
A wagon version would be nuts. Comp package, manual, carbon brakes, F-150 Flareside Teal, HRE wheels, on airbags, mirror tint. The envy of any cars and coffee. Do they still make Lambo door kits?
They're making one
I want to see interviews with the designers of the grill.
You guys are my favorite!
Well done.enjoyed every bit.
I think it's time we blow this scene. Get everybody and the stuff together. Ok? 3,2,1 Lets jam.
The green M3 in manual is the only new car I would buy.
Frozen Portimao Blue for me.
Every damn time. Every time BMW comes out with a new 3 Series (since E90) I think it's hideous. But after a year or two I eventually warm up to it and eventually like it.
And here I am, a year later, loving the look of the new M3.
Gave it a like just for that intro alone.