Saab 9-3 vs. Saab 9-5: Which Should You Buy?
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As a tall man (200 cm) I sit very comfortably in my 2004 9-3 turbo 👌Greetings from Sweden✊
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The 9-3 was born in Detroit and the 9-5 in Sweden. If you want more of a traditional Saab with the "Saab quirks" then it's a 9-5 all day.
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The first 9-3 also was born in Sweden
No, I think you are talking about the "end of the line" GM 9-3? It wasn't born in Detroit, but it was adopted there.
You know they say adopted children are more loved because they were actually CHOSEN, seems that might not be the case when it comes to GM.
Cars are designed and built. Your car was not ‘born’.
Very interesting. I have a 05 9-5 Aero and an 01 9-3 Viggen. As we went through the list, a lot of the scores came out the same for the same reasons. Scoring probably varies too, for people who live in urban areas vs twisty country road people. Most often I prefer to drive my Viggen for pure enjoyment, but when I want to relax while cruising it's the 9-5 Aero - Just like the analysis. Ultimately I love both.
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Hey Jacob, I like the photo that you picked of the black Saab 9-3 Aero right after you were talking about the cool Factor score. That is my Saab that I just recently sold on cars and bids. It was a 2006 Saab 9-3 Aero with 68,000 miles and it sold for $10,000. I feel famous that my former Saab 9-3 made your video. Thanks for all your great Saab videos!
Haha nice! That’s pretty cool
As a 9-3 Aero owner I agree with most parts, but I think the Features section should have gone to the 9-5. For me an Aux cable can’t beat ventilated front and heated rear seats :D
Something I did not consider! Great point
I bought a $30 Bluetooth tape cassette adaptor to get around the no aux issue for my 9-5 Areo, not as convenient but the vented seats are worth the trade off.
I don't need heated rear seats. I'm the driver ;) I like both cars.
I put a 7.5 cubic ft refrigerator in the back seat of my 9-5. THAT'S practical.
If i could have any Saab new i would prefer a 9000 aero
thanks for sharing
Wouldn’t we all!
I prefer 9-5 for maybe more quality feeling. The materials inside just feel like less GM and more saab. Might only be my biased opinion. Also options are great with 9-5 (ventilated seats are so great)
thanks for sharing
Thanks bro for helping me to join the journey of Saab group 👍💯
Great video. The 9-5 should really be compared to the OG 9-3 as they're more similar in terms of power train, interior look and quality, features, etc. The NG 9-3 is a newer platform that was made to look like a smaller 9-5. Ultimately, it's hard to compare as even though they're the same model year, the 2005 9-5 and 2005 9-3 are of different generations; the 9-5 goes back to the 1990s, hence the lack of aux port, etc. Keep up the great content!
well said!
I have the 04 9-5 arc that I've done alot of work on and after 4 years I've finally got it looking and running good. Drives and looks almost brand new, it's got the eco power turbo and has all the power I need,. I'm not working so I drive it recreationally and the only thing that bothers me about it is the engine ping like a loose tappet, but that does'nt stop it from running like a bat out of hell, anyway a good video and an honest comparison.
awesome thanks!
Before watching the video, the 9-3 is probably the most beautiful car ever made(fight me!), the 9-5 on the other hand is not bad, but not quite the 9-3 if that makes sense.
And not just going by looks, the 9-3 to me is more fun to drive.
Though I had to trade my 9-3 sedan for a 9-5 kombi(2 kids, needed the space).
All in all, both are fantastic cars.
thanks for sharing
One aspect I miss in the Weekend factor and that is back seat space. As a grown up you are much better off in a 9-5. One time In sat in the back of a 9-3 I had to bend my head forward for not bumping into the ceiling and I couldn't put my feet under the front seats as the seats were closed right down to the floor. And I am not that big measuring 1,79m. I have never driven a 9-3 but my father loved the driving caracteristics of the 9-3 Aero Convertible he bought at 85; reminded him of the 99 EMS he bought new in 1979. Also 99's have better comfort in the back than a NG-9-3.
I grew up loving the backseat of my dads 93 super comfy and spacious since ive bought the car from him ive realized thats honestly where the cars lacking the most me and all my friends are 6 ft+ and that back seat is absolutely tiny but at least the front seats are great
I don’t see how that factors into “weekend score” though. That’s strictly practicality imo (which I gave a point to the 9-5 for 😉)
I own a 05 9-5 Aero and love it. I found a 08 9-3 aero sportcombi for sale and I want it so badly because the v6 sounds so good and I love the wagon body style
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What about a comparison of the 9-5NG with the 9-5 ad 9-3NG? I have not seen anything like that. Really enjoy your videos, Thank You!
As a 5X saab owner, currently have an 04 9-5 wagon that I bought in 08. Previously, a 9-3 sedan and later a 9-3 Sport Combi wagon V6. The 9-3 is lighter with quicker handling. The 9-5 is quick with better seats and the added wight makes for a quieter and more comfortable ride
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Ten 9-3's later and I'm falling in love with this 07 9-5. I currently have five SAAB's and I'm driving the 9-5 much more!
glad you're enjoying it!
Will find out hopefully soon. I am on the prowl for a 08 era OG9-5 Aero.
good luck!
Interesting how the tune-ability is viewed differently in the US (seems to be way more V6s). One of the best/biggest Saab tuners here (SWE) prefers the 2.3T/2.0T way, way above the 2.8.
Interesting does he have yt?
Same reason US market prefers SUVs over sedans/wagons: Size, power, comfort. American Sedan owner here (07 9-3 Anniversary Ed)
I think the late edition 9-5 was the response to most of the criticism with tech and appearance.
yeah, but 2.8 has way more potential!
I have a 2006 9-3 Aero 2.8L V6 turbo convertible with 120,000 miles. I agree with your assessment, except for comfort. After replacing the struts, my 9-3 feels a lot better. Enjoy your contents!
thanks for sharing !
There's a bunch of tech features on 9-3s that I wish my sharktooth had; lights going on while turning, remote window operation, reAxs, and brighter/better LCDs.
very true!
Well, well, well: i've the best Saab of all: a 2000 9-3 2,0 non turbo hatchback with 200k miles on the clock.... Thanks for all great videos you do on Saab! Greeting from Denmark.
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Hey Jacob, great video, I enjoyed it.
I have to say I don't completely agree on a few of your scores, particularly with the car features, that should have gone with the 9-5 Aero which had loads more special features as standard, like heated rear seats, folding mirrors, auto wipers, auto dimming mirrors ect.
Also, from my personal opinion perspective, I get much more of a thrill driving my 9-5 first gen than the 9-3. There's something about the sheer acceleration of something so big and heavy that has me addicted. But I might be biased as the 9-5 was the car that brought me into the world of Saab
To be honest, I’ve seen quite a lot of 9-5s without auto wipers or folding and dimming side mirrors, so I’m not quite sure if they were really standard features. But yeah, heated rear seat is surely something awesome for the kids and ventilated fronts is something I’ve always wanted in a car I own :D still love my B284 though
Speaking in particular of the 9-5 Aero, I've never seen one without auto wipers and mirrors, but that might differ between regions.
Of course, you know I love the 9-3, but the 9-5 will always have a special place in my heart
thanks for sharing your input!!
I own a 1998 9-5 2.0t and i love it :)
are you able to make a video on the different materials used on the interiors., like is their any soft touch trim in places or is it all hard plastics?
i could; but it's easier to just look at it yourself and see! lol
Nice Vid
Thanks!
I have a '99 Viggen that I have been slowly restoring. Even though it only has 120k on it, it was not treated with respect by the previous owners. The handling was squirrely, but once I replaced all the suspension bits and bobs, and threw on a set of Pilot Sports, it transformed the car. It only is a weekend car, but technically I could use it as a daily, but I have a '11 9-3 six speed for that. Even though I am six feet tall. I have always preferred the smaller Saabs, but in my mind the 900 is still king, and it is a shame that I don't have a warehouse to store the ones that I sadly sold.
What I am curious about is that I had always heard that the 9-5 suspension was more tunable and better than the 9-3.
i don't know what to say in regards to that and "tuning" suspension
Off this topic, how are the LED bulbs you installed working out, recommend?
yeah they work; not the brightest but they get the job done
Always had a thing for the 9-5s. Had a 2.0 LPT
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Had several 9-3 convertibles an 98 and an 06 great cars I fancy scratching the itch I have for 9-3 vector estate as we ssi in the UK or Cadillac bls whicy as Saab enthusiasts we all know it's the same car.would like this 1.9 ttid in either car.
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As an owner of an 07 9-3 Aero and three 9-5 Aeros I can say this: The 9-5 wins in comfort hands down and the 9-3 wins in handling all day. With all my vehicles near or over 200K the 9-5s all have less squeaks and rattles compared to the 9-3. It's WAY easier to work on the 2.3L than the 2.8L and a Tech II can do almost everything on a 9-5 where on a 9-3 you need a laptop with TIS just to replace a window switch. Parts for both cars are getting equally scarce these days but you will be able to find a lot more 9-3s in junkyards and they have a better aftermarket inventory. If I ever get another 9-3, it would be a 2.0L. Another thing about a 9-5 is I rarely see them, but I see 9-3s on the road all the time.
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Did you ever figure out why your turbo kept staying red hot???
i replaced a ton of stuff all at once and it ended up fixing it. there's a video from a couple months back on the chanel about it!
What i want is a mid 1970's saab 99 or a 95,or 96 2 stroke
That would be cool
I enjoy your vids, so please don't take this the wrong way, but I think that your particular comparison is an unfair one. B235 vs V6, Pre-06 vs 06. You tied the fun factor to handling, which had already been evaluated separately. I know that you had to work with what you had, but..... Just my thoughts. Thanks again for all of the vids! Sparks in Daytona
Yeah, handling was just a part of fun factor! Was also considering overall driving experience 😁
The 2004-2005 Saab 9-5 aero are my favorites models🏁🏁🏁👍
They’re fantastic
In tuning thoughts the T7+ gearbox is not that great as you know, the 9-3 NG is better but not as good as the old T5 ;) The 5 speed manual gearbox with a good clutch in the B207 can take alot, up to 500hp on a track car and 2 years of that too ;) Nordic Performance did it and now they got 620hp in a 2 liter B207 so they had to upgrade the gearbox.
i like the 6 speed in the NG's! (F40 i believe)
Ok so I need some clarity,the four cylinder 9-3 can handle up to or a little over 300hp to the crank or wheels until you have to start tearing Into the motor?..
Crank to be safe. These are all old cars so I personally wouldn’t risk any more than that
@@AutoAutopsy ok thanks for responding
I’t seems that there are fewer 9-5s for sale then 9-3s. I guess there were fewer sold originally?
Yes. They made a ton more 9-3’s!
@@AutoAutopsy Thanks for your postings. Always professionally done and informative. I hope you sell the 9-5 wagon and get to the bottom of your Turbo-X steering issue.👍
Love my 2007 93 2.0T, if anyone here is thinking about it for a daily; DO IT!!!! Got her up to 245hp and it's such a great fun car.
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I love my 9.3
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I had a 9-5 aero 250hp and a 9-3 aero 210hp and I can't think of anything the 9-5 wasn't better at except maybe fuel consumption. Quality, comfort and performance are in a different league. Haven't owned the v6 as being a vauxhall engine I figured it would just be unreliable.
V6 changes everything. They’re not unreliable
I prefer the 95 NG or 94x
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Maybe you can help tell me what’s wrong with my 9-3 it’s a 2004 9-3 convertible and it keeps misfiring on all cylinders it’s not the engine tranny or turbo or anything major it has to be something small because it will start and take me on a 2 hour drive no problem just misfires can it be because I have 1 different brand spark plug than the other ones I’ve took it to a mechanic and keep paying for diagnostics and no one can tell me what’s wrong
I also replaced the interface because they told me that’s what was wrong but obviously not lol
oem plugs and coils should be run only. if those aren't oem, id start there
9-3 (or 900) for me. If nothing else then only because there are many more 9-3's with cloth seats as opposed to 9-5 which almost always have leather seats. I find the cloth-seats much more comfortable and the leather seats do in general not age very well.
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By the way great job on the video Me I like my 05 SAAB ARC CV , IM NOT A FAN OF THE 9-5..
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9-5 imo but never owned a 9-3 aero so cant really compare
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SAAB owners.. anyone had to replace the ac comprasser? And from where did you get it?
Hi yes 👍 on my 9.3 Aero - bought one from Neo Brothers in UK for £200- Nissen make - about 1.5 hours fitting - total including emptying and refilling AC system . compressor and fitting £400
@@guitarlover302 is your saab v6 2.8?
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In overall 93 is better at my eyes. I have 93 Aero and if you went to give a 95 probably i will selling it. 95 its a good car but…. Something missing.
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Absolutely loved my 9.3 Vector Turbo, I always thought it was a WOLF in sheep's clothing.
Wonderful car.
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I own a 95 SE
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In terms of features - 9-5 have vented front seats, cooled glovebox, heated rear seats for example. In my book this things beat aux any day of the week, especially considering that implementing aux in 9-5 is a simple thing, but installing vented seats into 9-3 - emmm... not so much.
And in terms of engines, I'd better consider 9-3 Aero with 2.0 turbo, V6 is heavy, prone to overheat, hard to work on, because it's very tight in the motor bay, hungry for fuel etc. And honestly, engine with 2 headblocks, hence twice more complex than inline design, looks pretty stupid to me in the first place, but ithat's just me.
Fair point. But if you’ve owned a V6, you’ll know that the assumptions you made aren’t true
@@AutoAutopsy Fair enough. I just happen to know a bunch of people and saw their experiences with these engines, since Saab communities in different countries pretty small mostly, fair share of vehicles are always in sight. Maybe it's the way people been using and treating these cars... I spend most of my life in Russia and people there, for some reason, tend to think of Saabs as a sport cars and it surely raises some problems. For example 9-5 Aeros considered "very unreliable", while studying US and UK folks experience with these cars, I found out that they, quite opposite, considered "very reliable" in turn.
@@antonvoloshin9833 yeah I think the people who call Saabs unreliable are the same people who would be better off getting a Subaru or a Toyota cause they don’t keep regular maintenance. These cars will last over 250k miles if taken care of. Sure it has its problems but all cars have their own little issues. Plus Saab parts are still fairly easy to get considering they’ve been out of business for a while
why do you compare 2 cars made for different purposes
what.
I prefer the 9-5. More comfortable, has a better quality feel and looks so much better
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9:15 yeah but neither do 90% of phones nowadays :shrug:
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My family had 5st Saab’s
Saab 9-5 2.3T Vector 2004 (Rip) Silver
Saab 9-5 2.3T SE 2001 silver
Saab 9-5 2.0T SE 1999 (rip) dark blue
Saab 9-5 2.0T SE 2001 black
Saab 9-5 2.0T SE 2001 rare green
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What about the 9-3 arc 😂😂
Lol I explained my reasoning for what I compared and why!
I have a 2006 9 5 and a 2007 9 3 Convertible. It's a tie!
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My saab is a bit wierd because the sid says that the brake light is out, even though it's working!
Watch for water ingress/moisture in the boot (trunk)/light cluster. Had an '04 9-5 2.3t with that!
@@sierraalphaalphabravo9705 ah Thanks!
my wagon did the same thing
@@AutoAutopsy yep
Oh definitely the 9-5 not like I'm biased or anything😏...
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You are answering a vexed question.
Thankyou for that.
I agree the 9-3 is more dynamic drive though the 9-5 being designed before GM took 100% ownership still retained many traditional SAAB attributes.
The 2006 update modernised the 9-5 though droped many traditional quality fittings and did not fit a 6 speed manual or auto which was where the market had moved.
I suspect that as SAAB was not making the profit GM hoped it would money was tight and with limited money decisions on which car to concentrate on were made and I suspect it was the 9-3 with the NG 9-5 being the car that was to reinvigorate the 9-5.
Anyway just a thought as we will never know if production continued what the NG 9-5 might have achieved.
Capping of this diatribe I always felt GM sort of left the 9-5 to do its thing without appropriate long term investment as the bean counters were in charge and not the passionate engineers looking to make different but great cars that owners would love.
lol thanks for sharing !
9-5🥰🥰
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Get both, then a 900, and a 9000.
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Honestly I am thankful Doug has not reviewed the NG9-3, especially the Facelift Aero Vert.
Prices would shoot up or non-fans would quickly decimate the remaining herd. 🤣🤣🤣
lol he would probably be very critical of it unfortunately
The 9-3
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9-5 has more older technology than 9-3
9-3 has lower interior quality, plastic and cheap materials in everywhere on interior
9-5 has classy design and 9-3 has more sporty design espically when you get Aero or Turbo X
I'd choose 9-5, if the comparison had the 9-3 between S60 (P2 of course), I would choose the S60.
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I've a 9-5 vector auto 🤷♂️
nice
So if you want to kill em at the twisty track....St3 NG9-3 Aero V6 manual.
If you want to comfortably shock & Awe the racerboys on the highway and at stoplights....St3 OG9-5 Aero manual.
If you want rude, hilarious and borderline dangerous (unless it has an LSD)...St3 Viggen.
haha
All things considered, I'd have to go with the........... S60 2.5T.
you mad bruv? Gen 1 V70 2.5T if anything, but I would rather have my 2004 Saab 9-5 2.3T
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9-3 is better i have a 9-3 sport combi ttid (dissel)
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Neither. 9000 2.3T Abbott Racing conversion would beat either of these into a meringue every day...
no it wouldn't. and this video is strictly comparing these two specific models lmao
9-3 более молодежный дизайн, 9-5 более "пенсионный". По крайней мере в России
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I think 9-5 2.3turbo
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None of the above
Saab engine > (that’s my only argument)
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Doug DeMuro 1/10
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I'd take a 9000 aero over either
i'd prefer something more modern, but to each their own!
@@AutoAutopsy I do have a 08 93 sport combi. I prefer the old school stuff, probably because I'm a bit older and they take me back.
"Saabs are all very cheap cars" lol come on man :)
I think he's saying cheap to buy, not to own (repairs), although of the six I've owned over 26 years, only one was what I would call unreliable / needed a lot of repairs
Precisely ^
9-5 baby get a 9-3 if you want water leaking all over the inside of your car from the ac
never heard of that happening on 9-3 but aight
@@AutoAutopsy my friends has 2 9-3s both flooding water into his cab from the right side
Neither, just buy a Ferrari.
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