The Strangest Character in Heritage for the Future
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It's interesting how Alessi bullying characters that are weaker than him, while crumpling to those who are stronger than him directly parallels how he is in the show
☝️real and true
Even the top tiers he can bully, but he spends more time running away since he's very hit and run style
True but I think the only person below him he loses to is arguably Iggy because iggys so good at counter poking his stand on buttons with s.2a and s.2b
@@niceboy5559 Not really, that matchup isnt played with alessi stand on
Even right down to certain child characters being more problematic than others, yeah.
Capcom was bold for the decision to give him no anti airs, to symbolize that he only attacks those below himself
Khan becoming a cow is a thing from the manga where the anubis sword is broken and one half just sticks to a cow that goes nuts because a freaking sword blade is stuck on its ass
it's in the anime too
Its not a thing from the manga, its very much in the anime
@@jakefromstatefarm8964 you know, being in the anime too doesn't mean it's "not a thing from the manga." just because you're right doesn't mean they're wrong.
@@jakefromstatefarm8964 manga did it first and this game came out before the anime
@@jakefromstatefarm8964the anime is an adaptation that keeps more or less everything of the manga so there
I love how when a character's move description starts with "X pulls out a gun" it's either a bog standard projectile or some of the most bullshit you've ever seen with absolutely 0 in-between.
What bog means in is instance?.
“bog standard” is just an expression that means “very average”
And then there's Hol Horse decided to buy everything in the aisle because why not
Happy chaos moment
@@erugurara8235Do you understand what Google is? Couldve easily searched what that meant in 3 seconds instead of waiting on CZcams replies lol
I love how they just gave alessi a gun. He is one hundred the type to bring a gun to shoot a child
And he STILL lost against standless child Jotaro.
@@HellecticMojo Joestar genes
Pretty sure he did have a gun at one point in the manga but didnt get to use it.
>Just coming out for a cupcake
Holy shit lmao
Dislike the lol cow farming , Alessi is a very different personality .
He is bullying the weak , the action .
Not for a result or benefit of any
@@ammi5311
Yeah that's true, but I still think the jokes are funny
@@ammi5311 look at his face.
I would NOT leave a child near him.
Alessi445
My favorite part about Alessi is how his posture changes when he turns his opponent into a kid. Cuz he isn't confident when facing against someone stronger than a child. Edit: I guess it is pretty fitting Alessi even on a metagame tier list level is great at bullying people weaker than him (low tiers) but folds spectacularly against people stronger than him.
Also the reason Khan turns into a cow is that its a reference to that one cow that Anubis impaled by accident before he fell into the Nile
I mean, that only explains where the reference to the cow comes from.
It still doesn't explain why Khan turns into a fucking cow.
I was about to comment the same thing, Alessi's state in the game is very in-character
I do wish his posture didn’t change when fighting Joseph. That would’ve been a super cool detail
shows you the genius of capcom creators back then
@@catsorafgc Imagine if his posture got even lower against the Rejuvenated Part 2 Joseph
I literally said "oh no" when you mentioned hitbox placement, I should have known he couldn't have proper disjoints even in this silly game
youngseph's kid mode buttons have better frame data and hitboxes than his regular normals, this is fine
I can actually answer why Alessi was top tier in ventures! friends with potoatoboih who did a bunch of hftf tas, and according to them its a combination of him being one of the few characters with a dashing low, which also loops into itself which gives him an infinite, and also child mode lasts twice as long in ventures.
Not a lot of characters in Venture have low attacks out of a dash. Alessi not only is blessed with a low dash attack but also being able to loop them infinitely. That and child mode lasting waaaaaay longer makes him easily one of the best characters in that version of Jojos. Game is extra stinky though and has so much broken stuff that got changed in HFTF it really is just a different game altogether.
Funny to see that Happy Chaos' reticle is a JoJo reference
No fucking way 💀💀💀💀
Once again, a move that in a modern fighting game makes a character absolutely busted, in an old school fighting game, like HftF, the character is average.
@@healthsword9888 They're not really the same but I get the sentiment
@@healthsword9888 more like hitscan projectiles can break fighting games
The idea isn't new but mechanically very different. Still, I get the point @@healthsword9888
I'm impressed they managed to make his place in the meta match his character so perfectly.
I'm surprised that Alessi's Stand On forward dash bug wasn't mentioned because it's a funny one and I know some people are crazy enough to utilize it in matches from time to time (at least I remember Guruslum using it back in the day). If you time an attack right at the end of the dash, Alessi's attack will either not come out at all or will recover MUCH QUICKER. Now, if you managed to time it so that the move did not come out at all and if you were to plink another normal on the next frame, Alessi would perform TWO ATTACKS AT THE SAME TIME out of his dash WITH REDUCED RECOVERY, one move's recovery cancelling out the other one, resulting in insane advantage on block, possibly leading to extended combos as well. It is frame perfect and as long as you can time another attack on the last frame of previous all of his moves will have reduced recovery. Pretty sure we dubbed it "Genei Jin Alessi" at one point. Really hard to do but very fun to look at.
That sub-pixel animation in his idle stance though, incredible
It amaze me how pretty this game actually is. The art is on point
I love how his hitboxes are just
"Who the fuck did this?? First fighting game?"
It has to do with programing limitations from that era
@@reeyees50 this was the same hardware as third strike it absolutely wasn't???
@@reeyees50 "His hurtbox extensions on his attacks are because of hardware limitations"
What?????
8:38 at the end of the Anubis chapter the sword tries to find a new host. First taking control of a random kid (black polnareff's deaged form) and when the kid trips and drops the sword, with it somehow being thrown at a ox on a boat (khan's deaged form) somewhere which Anubis tries to control it but loses control and is send to the bottom of a river, doomed to rust for eternity.
It's really funny how they gave Alessi, of all characters, a slot. The dude is probably the least popular character in the entire run of the manga. I wonder if it was just to enable Young Joseph. The fact that he ended up being genuinely well-liked as a result is pretty great.
I'd assume it was the Capcom side that wanted to see what they could do with him to challenge themselves. If I remember right I believe it was Capcom that wanted Shuma Gorath for the Marvel games.
@@Starsoulklr For Shuma, I remember the reasoning behind him was just that Marvel sent them an Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe and they picked out Shuma because they thought he looked cool. It's the same reason Blackheart ended up in there.
You need a heel in wrestling.
Easy, this game's roster is all about turning minor bad guys into fully fledged fightan characters. They built fun, complete characters out of Devo, Khan, Chaka and SPECIALLY Midler, who don't get much of a chance to shine in the manga and had to be fleshed out by the developers... but Alessi didn't have this problem. The guy is one of the chattiest and most eccentric Dio followers, his appearance is fairly long, he's got a lot of personality, does a lot of fun stuff that was turned into moves. They had a lot to work with is my point, and with all the fun animations and weird touches the guy has, you can tell they had a lot of fun working on him (Araki even drew him on a brand new outfit for the arcade flyer art lmaoooo)
@@penshinon59 Oh, yeah, all that is definitely true. It just sticks out, because the Alessi fight is probably the most commonly-recommended "you can skip this part" sequence in all of Part 3. (Mostly because so much of it is Naked Kid Polnareff.) And Alessi's a pretty tricky character to do, because he requires you to create new sprites and animations for all the kid characters. If I were making a Part 3 fighting game, Alessi would be... well, not _off_ the list, but definitely lower than a lot of characters who didn't make it in or were only bosses. But not only did he make it in, he made it in the first version! They put this guy in the game before Hol Horse, Mariah, N'Doul, and playable Vanilla Ice! And that's kinda bonkers to me.
Every weird transformation off Alessi mode is a reference in the original work. Off my head
Hol Horse - The kid J-Gail tried to use to kill Polnareff
Mariah - The old lady Joseph encountered while he's magnetised
Robber Soul - The guise he assumed
Khan - The cow Anubis stabbed while he's trying to save himself from getting thrown into the river
Dio - Nukesaku, one of his henchmen
Shadow Dio - Wanchan, also his henchmen, and his severed head
Dark Polnareff - The kid who got the broken Anubis sword
I love how Alessi is one of a handful of characters who can run, but he can only run backwards, because he's such a coward.
Also Rubber Soul video when
I love his 236 Super, while the stand is just beating the crap out of the opponent he just stands there and poses
Such an expressive character
Best way I can understand it is that alessi mode is an install for you and an uninstall for your opponent.
I didn't know that Alessi could extend his shadow by holding S, lmao.
alessi walked so happy chaos can run
Brother, I was listening along, going 'Alessi is so sick, maybe I should try out Heritage for the Future' and then you hit me with the hurtboxes extending before hitboxes come out. This is the exact issue that made me drop Paprika in TFH after her being my first FG main of over 500 hours played, and it wasn't even that bad for her, mostly affecting hard read moves like cart C. What a crying shame, how do you even hit a shadow 😭
When he presses a button
cant believe they put a pro smash player into this game
I kinda wonder how much the hurtbox issues are due to the devs wanting him to only be dominant in Alessi mode (and keep a weirdo side villain from beating the main cast like in vanilla).
Guilty Gear would go on to shamlessly steal half of Alessis moveset for Happy Chaos in 2021 and god bless them for doing it my boy deserved a second chance
the main big reason he was Top 2 or 3 in venture is based off a few things 1. Most chars dont have dashing crouch attacks in venture,However alessi Not only still has his dashing Crouch normals they are way more plus to the point you can do a Legal loop of 3 dash c 3 dash b>5c>236aa 2.Alessi mode lasts 8 seconds so if you can time your corner meaty you can get like 6 axes which is insane 3.Damage scaling In venture is much less harsh so the combo i mentioned in point 2 does like 65% before child mode is even accounted for (92 damage)
so thats why AI alessi when i played jojos venture was so stupid. i thought the mode was just longer because it was on the hardest difficulty
"just coming out for a cupcake" that's fucking crazy dude no way 💀
Also Alessi's CC is much harder than Chaka and Joseph, because Alessi is the only active stand character without strings/chain/target combo, this makes him somewhat unique because even as an active stand char, he still plays like passive stand chars on offense, while his stand is mostly used for defensive purpose. If you hate links (newer player or shitass connection), don't play Alessi! lol
His hit boxes seem like they are designed for another game entirely. Like they made him last or something while they were making other games.
Alessi unironically my favorite character in this game man is a massive shitpost
I love putting on your videos while working on my own fighting game. Great video, I would never have really given Alessi any thought before this.
0:34 ah hell naw 💀
I don't get it. Is it a pedo joke?
@misterbadyguy7325 yeah search about edp445
@@misterbadguy7325 yeah its a reference to edp445 who said hes "just going for a cupcake" when he was caught about to meet up with a minor
@@Taha632RMF Yeah, that's about what I expected.
Alessi mains when dio hits them with the 1 frame link into 1 frame link cancel and they hit one custom combo and now dios the worst character in the game and loses 40% of his hp from 66C
Mad respect for dissecting this game
Your commentary is so fun to listen to no matter what game you're talking about... really good stuff man.
Also apparently I liked your videos so much that CZcams was showing me them all without being subscribed. Woops.
Always a treat to see one of your vids show up in the notifs. Really like the down-to-the-earth and straightforward nature of the videos and the general pacing of everything.
One of russian online tournaments called slavic clash was won by an alessi player vs jotaro in finals. Just something funny i remember
I'd love to see a video on the Josephs. Such fun characters (that are also bad)
"Wake up, Babe! New Heritage for the Future video by MrMixtape dropped!"
Goated video for goated character. Also good explanation of the crash reset
Never heard of this game until today but the sprite work is quite gorgeous and I can tell there is some real depth to the mechanics.
amazing video, i love seeing these analysis videos on some of the least talked about characters, everyone talks about the high or low tiers, but no one talks about the mid tiers, a video on Iggy would be really interesting.
I was REALLY hoping you'd do an Alessi video, super glad to see it.
the guruslum shoutout at the end 🤘‼️ my glorious king 🙏🐐
I love the design of his stand. It's a unique stand that stems from his own shadow. It's creepy and cool at the same time with the sick secondary ability to gain a shadowy copy of whatever Alessi holds like his axe. That on it's own could have been a cool premise for his stand! Also his ability to turn back the clock on someones age would be a cool premise for a good aligned character. I imagine if he were a good guy he would own a beauty salon and make people literally younger! Kinda like the woman in part 4. Also I always wondered if Alessi could use his own ability on himself, if so he could live forever! Though I doubt it as Joesuke couldn't use crazy diamond on himself either. His stand is pretty darn powerful and kinda feels like he could be a main villan if he was a lot less skittish and cowardly. Eternal life, a creepy stand and presence followed by a damn powerful ability and you have the set up for a truly formidable main villain just like Dio!
He's a fascinating character since he's a weak man with really strong powers. Both physically weak and mentally too. He even acts like a cocky domineering villain... when his ability is in play and the opponent is nerfed hard, and the rest of the time he's a shy wimp.
It's basically a case of "This guy would be a pushover if X didn't happen!" except he's the one causing it instead of just getting a lucky opportunity. It's a lot more interesting way to make a villain feel dangerous than if he was just a generic wall of muscle.
Love your videos dude, especially on more niche stuff like this!
But mainly commenting because Tobacco rules and I popped off a little when I saw some of his stuff lol 14:32
Tbh, Alessi being the strangest member of HftF makes sense considering he’s arguably the strangest antagonist in a part already chock full of weirdos. He’s got a really unique kit (too bad it seems to be a mixed bag) and I wonder how that sort of thing would translate to a different fighting game!
Jojo's Venture was basically an earlier version of the game with vastly different balancing, and Alessi's kit there is definitely one of the top tiers. Pretty sure they added his lousy hurtboxes in the HftF version of the game since his same moveset was a lot better beforehand
I’ll never get tired of watching videos about a fighting game I love that I only play once year for about 2 hours
Now that I think about it, Active Stand characters should've had one particular change about them: The chip damage they would've taken should've hurt the Stand Gauge. This still gives them the No Chip Damage benefit, but there would still be a cost of some kind.
If I had some way to have made changes, I would've done that or made it so that your chip damage is halved, but you wouldn't be able to die to chip damage.
They are, that's why there are two kind of Stand Crash, if you take the hit, you'll get stunned around 1 second, but if you get stand crashed while blocking, the stun duration is doubled. The problem is, not everyone have good attack that can deplete the stand gauge.
Also, I think chip damage can't kill in this game? I'm not sure though, maybe they can?
I like these character analysis
no way they gave this guy a better gun move than hol horse
yippee yippee yippee my name was said!! (became a member roughly around the time your "MORE best top tiers" vid dropped, keep making amazing content :))
my dyslexic ass readed "The Strongest Character" 💀💀💀
Hope you talk about the rest of the characters in this game.
Great video!!
If you’re open to suggestions I’d like to see a Devo video since he’s one of if not the first ever puppet fighter in fighting games
That quote is insane
“Just coming out for a cupcake”
Omfg😭
I dont care for the character itself but seeing this gameplay might make me consider playing him
VAMOOOOOSSSSS VIDEOOOOO NOVOOOOOOOOO
Even though the end result isn't very good, you gotta respect the unreal amounts of effort Capcom put in to translate this random ass one off villain from the manga into a fighting game character. I don't think there's a single person that would have cared if Alessi wasn't even on the roster, but he is and Capcom decided they were going to pull out all the stops to preserve his character as faithfully as possible.
I think rubber would be an interesting character for you to talk on due to his meta evolving
19:01 "Being a big ass *cow* makes it easy to *farm* damage in Alessi mode." I see what you did there
Satan just means adversary
You should lowkey how they turned Midler from an absolute nothing burger to an actual character
i love alessi in this game he's so funny he's my favorite character in it
I like ur videos on this game.
When i see Alessi I keep thinking he has a mustache
Second most based too
whos the first?
@@jestermaniac3131 rubber soul ofc
8:35 in the anime khans sword killed a cow before it possessed him. I think the thought process is that the sword possesses whoever wields it and the cow sort of wielded it here.
tbh i first read the title as "strongest" and i was utterly confused
I would love to see you cover gran lue fantasy versus:rising in some way
queston, why are you giving me nuclear launch codes instead of just saying "quarter-circle back, half-circle forward + attack"?
ive played this game on and off for years, and while i think about the game quite regularly - i forgot that iggy was in it until a single clip in this video 😅
the cow is a reference to the blade he's holding being defeated by hitting a cow and falling into a river
Wait so does stretching seth make the axe hitbox wider or merely displace it? The framedata is unclear on this
12:27 best part
The cow is a reference to the cow that Anubis (the spirit inhabiting the blade) gets stuck to near the the end of the arc, after his defeat but before it falls into the river for the rest of time (you can see the blade stuck to the cow's butt).
Either that, or it references the cow that Chaka phases through with the blade near the beginning of the arc, but I think that's less likely since the cow is panicking.
"Just Coming Out For A Cupcake" LHAUDUBFHS SHUT UUUPP!! 😂😂
Can we get Young Joseph next?
Still don’t know why he was added
"yeah i main the diddler, what of it." statements dreamed up by the completely derranged
Irrai, irrai!!
Erai
Some of his animations look similar to happy chaos 😮
neat vid
haha funny alessi j.b hitbox so silly
We need a video on Ice if there is none
Heighbocks
@@LoopZoopler what?
He did a breakdown of Ice when he did that video talking about the top tiers, along with the Kakyoins, Pet Shop, Polnareff, Avdol, Jotaro, and Dio.
15:40 can't believe I've never heard anyone say "play the game instead of playing the lame" before... wow
Next do DIO for hftf
8:29 and Midler turns into a lawsuit!
As if the other characters isn't any different
I think a herirage for the future remaster would be amazing. I have more fun with it than All Star Battle in a browser emulator, the game would be amazing revamped.
U should make a old joseph video
APHEX TWIN MENTIONED!!!!!
Mfs at Capcom made his gameplay lore accurate lmao.
Alessi is definitely the weirdest character in this roster. But a close second for me would be young Joseph. I mean. He is not even in part 3. And he also doesn't have a stand at all. And i find how they nanaged to make him fit into the game really interesting. and i also think his voice actor in this game is goated
What shoe's are these 🤔
Alessi is a short man. And his special power is to make others smaller than him, lol. Villain advice: Become great by diminishing others, lol, very hilarious.
8:45 okay so i went on the wiki, apparently there was a cow that was stabbed by anubis and thats what khan turns into hen hit by alessi mode. its beena while since i watched part 3 so i cant confirm but it would make sense if that piece of metal sticking out of the cows ass was anubis lol