Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft Review | 5e D&D | Web DM
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- The mist beckons, so that must be time for Web DM to review Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft! Overall, we really like a lot of this book! It's a great introduction to running RPGs in the horror genre. But we think it could go further! Here's our honest review where we discuss what we like and what we'd change if it were up to us.
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I really like that you two can find something good about these new books. It's easy to get into grousing, complaining, and general whinging about RPG products; I love hearing the air of positivity that you both bring to the material. Thanks!
I second this. I understand there are a lot of people who have grievances with this one but I love when someone points out a reason to love something. It helps me see it in a new light which is more fun.
A mist opportunity. Pruitt is a genius lol
Agreed!
My excitement is off the richten scale
NICE!
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Love that the Loup Garou's lycanthropy preempts the Remove Curse Panacea.
Yes!! I'm running Strahd and had a conversation about curses with the players setting the expectation that not all curses can be cured by "Remove Curse" and was super glad to have official rules supporting that.
@@johnathanrhoades7751 Yeah. I mean, really, 5e is so exception-based that you probably don't need official rules so long as your players are on the same page. That said, it sure is nice to have a model for those rules if nothing else!
You guys have a great time! Thanks for reaching out!
We can always Count on you guys to Guide us through these Raven-mad times!
Most puns suck but you really went to bat for them. You tapped into the pulse of word play. Its like a stake that I can really sink my teeth into.
@@bluebird3281 if only I could give more than one like!
Always excited to see new stuff from you guys!
Thank you!
I finally powered through all 200 plus CZcams episodes, and I don't know what to do with my life . . . I guess I'll start powering through the podcast episodes now
Comedy-Horror is such a difficult tightrope! Some stories that have achieved it appear to have done so almost accidentally; I think of the pulp dark comedy-horror Army of Darkness or Mandy. Those stories that prompt a gut chuckle out of the viewer, while horrific things are happening. Then there's the more nuanced blend of the two, like the meta-satire of Tucker & Dale vs Evil; VERY hard to do successfully. Great commentary in here, thanks!
2nd and 3rd Edition Ravenloft had the Core Domains; Domains that shared a land border with political tensions between Darklords. It was superb. There were also Islands of Terror which were Domains surrounded on all sides by the Mists.
5e Ravenloft loses all this and barely counts as a campaign setting. If you want to run Ravenloft, get hold of the 2nd Edition setting (Domains of Dread) or the 3rd Edition Ravenloft campaign setting from DMsguild. Sprinkle in the 5e Ravenloft mechanics for flavour.
It was a cohesive land mass, but every DM I ever had bounced around with the mists as they willed. Need us to go to X in the next adventure? Mists flow in, now you're in *blah*.
That's why you make a player a mist walker, with the dark gift. That way the players get to be the ones who devide where to go, provided they find out and acquire what they need to get to each of the lands.
I chalk that up as the 'Dark Souls' effect everytime you change an area.
@@probablythedm1669 yeah because hey, fuck the DM hes only doing all the work and running the game for you...why should he get to do anything at the table am i right?
@@Satchmojones I think you might be look at this a little backward my friend. The fact that the DM is doing all of the work, perhaps he shouldn't be forced to explain away why you are in x or y domain now. Instead you are the one making the choice. Plus he's the DM, if you are making a player a mistwalker, you are obviously going to limit the amount of domains they can walk to. Indeed having a second sounds like a good way to mix up the pace of things a bit. Especially if you make the two places kind of at odds. Your party might be prepared for realm one, but realm two might be a death trap.
1. Wanted to say thank you for making specific videos for help that I asked about being the Jungle and Forest terrain videos! They were fantastic and helped immensely!
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Will it be available for purchase later because it is exactly what I need to make my Mad Max game better!
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MIST opportunity... lol
I was totally on the fence for this book for weeks due to the negative reviews. But you guys totally sold me on it, thank you!
A great spot for injecting horror back into the game is typically right after a moment of levity… a player makes a joke in a particularly tense section your description of the location like a rustling in the shadows or bushes… “it’s your mom” moment, ha ha ha… a screaming mimi runs out of the darkness and leaps onto the PC, you’re now grappled & prone… an adorable fluffy bunny hops out of the bushes while looking for the lycanthrope in the forest, “awww… how cute!”, it’s head splits open to reveal a fanged mass of teeth that lets forth a guttural roar spraying you in the face with thick strands of mucus-like saliva, it reshapes itself back into a Thumper and scurries back into the forest, you hear a howl in the wind, make a perception check to gage the distance, and back to the search…
Seems fun to watch, however, I just started playing in a CoS campaign like 2 months ago. Gonna wait until that is over before I watch this.
I think the part with the comedy was stating the DM can initiate comedy to have a relief from the madness and horror, while the second part says players should keep along with the tone of the moment.
The book was enjoyable to read for the most part, but it felt very scattershot and unfocused. The bizarre retcons presented in the fluff of the book also really feel like the main authors took umbrage with the older setting, and just wanted to change it to fit their ideas of how it should work. Turning the core into a strange, unconnected series of novelty towns and cities where trade and travel are nearly impossible, that is just a bad world building decision to put it lightly. In one of the port cities they go out of their way to say no trade ever arrives, and never explain how these people haven't starved years ago.
Less said about what they did to Ezmerelda the better, also.
I had a ton of issues with the book, interested to see what you both have to say.👌
What was up with Ezmerelda?
should i read the 2e books, then? what were they called
@@chaoticgoodra I don't get the weird name change or proud handicapable heroine thing but I don't hate it. I do hate the weird 'her parents weren't really Visanti because real Visanti aren't evil'. Bullshit, just fucking weird insane bullshit.
@@chaoticgoodra To sum it up quickly, her entire backstory was needlessly retconned. Even the most critical naysayers of curse of strahd had no complaints with Ezmerelda, so this retcon is jarring, unnecessary, and honestly poorly done in my opinion.
Nothing needed to be changed, but they nonetheless changed pretty much everything. Even her name is now just an assumed name of hers, just weird stuff. There's a lot of other things I could say about it, but there are probably whole videos you could watch on the subject if you're interested.
@@finnianquail8881 There were dozens of books across 2e and 3e. If you want to do some digging, you could start with Domains of Dread, or check out a website called "Mistipedia" which is a whole wiki on the setting. It doesn't have everything due to copyright reasons of course, but its a solid overview of the very detailed setting.
It was really cool, will you guys be reviewing MCDM's Kingdoms and Warfare?
Jim is in fine form here. I'm running Curse of Strahd in a couple weeks and very much looking forward to it. Thanks for the input!
I am using this book as a tool kit to add to my Curse of strahd campaign
When Jim mentioned KULT I was blown away. Though I never played the game reading it made a huge impact. The world building is amazing. The rules and the world are perfectly tied together to produce a mind**** or gaslight effect on the players, assuming they understand 1+% of the deranged history and universal laws that the GM has at his/her fingertips in the setting. It still seems like a game that must be tried sometime. But I want to be a player for it, not the GM. And that's the problem. Chaosium's competing product - Nephilim, tried to get the same effect but was not crazed enough. Well, unless you combine Call of Cthulhu with Nephilim and that's a pretty darn good precis for KULT.
I LOVE Van Richten's as a book. However my main bummer that some of the dark lords, seemingly, were changed for no apparent reason. Wish wizards would give out the thought process on why some of the dark lords were changed beyond just "modernize" them.
More than likely rights issues. Not always, but that can definitely be the answer.
@@LupineShadowOmega if that's the case, why not tell the people about it? Is it hard ? Is there something preventing them from saying?
Oh, this explains so much about Groundhog Day
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The campaign I’m going to run eventually in Ravenloft is one I’ve been calling “Quantum Leap: Ravenloft”
Basically, the group will make a set of character archetypes - personalities, bonds, flaws, rough backgrounds etc, and then the individual adventures involve those characters waking up in a new domain as a new person - the old soldier goes from Bladesinger to Paladin to Fighter to War Cleric.
And so each adventure we’d play different builds but be running the same characters, in these different worlds. It’d also let us do round robin which would be great because I want to play a character for once
Good luck with that.
Thomas Raith from Dresden Files has some great inspiration for a Ravenloft PC.
I finished a year and a half play through of curse of strhad one week before this came out.
I was wondering when they'd get around to talking about "Van Richten's Guide of Mostly Random Tables".
Is it? Cause I'd buy it just for that 😂
@@beatlesguyEM yeah. It's...ok? The realms of dread have some really neat ideas. The player lineages are cool... It's good, but not a must have for me, though I'm glad to have it.
@@beatlesguyEM Yes, in my opinion, there is WAY too much space in the book taken up by tables. The problem is not exactly too many tables for my taste per se, but the types of tables (tables for random quirks and minor items and stuff for the players are fine, but a random table for what happened to Azalin, for instance? Stupid. Just tell us and if DMs want to change it, they can) and the SIZE of the tables especially. There are several tables that take up multiple pages that could have been scaled down and just feel like they're there to inflate the page count/fill space).
There's some cool stuff in the book, but it's one of my lesser favorite ones so far. But I'm also just not that into horror and this seems light for real horror (like Call of Cthulhu) and heavy for normal fantasy? Dunno. Not bad, but it didn't feel the most inspired bit of content. Still glad to have it overall, though.
I am a relatively new DM and I love your channel. That's why I finally let my guard down and got the ending of CoS spoiled for me(I'm a player in it). Totally worth it though.
Players: Facing Strahd
One Player: Throws out a yo mama joke.
Strahd: Animates Queen Ravonia’s corpse to attack the party.
One Player: "Yo mamma!"
Strahd: "No, I think it shall be _your_ mother."
Cut to Strahd reaching into the PC's mind and showing them a vivid hallucination of the PC's mother's corpse, covered in blood and impaled in the middle of a killing field. The PC must save or take Psychic damage.
Twist that joke into something horrifying and personal. Strahd demands to be taken seriously.
Shout out for the Dungeon Fog promo, I was just thinking about making a couple maps.
@3:40 you mention other 5e books aren't fun to read. Why do you (or the readers) think this is so? As a youth, I read 2e front to back. but I have 5e phb and ravnica and neither are that stimulating. I chalked this to aging, but now that you mention. I wonder if maybe it is formatting? Thoughts?
Because WotC are now a radical leftist insane cult who have a soft approach to everything they touch. Nothing is essentially masculine, and everything is made by people who aren't really the best people to be fulfilling the fantasies of young men. They're obsessed with making everything soft and ghay.
It’s the formatting and the purpose.
I feel real bad that I finally got into a CoS game, and some of my fellow players are... basically munchkins, and it really has destroyed all sense of atmosphere in the game. I'm pushing through because I at least want to experience the adventure once, but it feels pretty bad.
Heh, wipe them. If they want to munchkin, let them breakdown the door. A dozen robed figures are in front of you. Half of them are vampire spawn and the other half are cultist fanatics with hold person .
You have their character sheets, find their individual weaknesses and isolate them. It will be plenty horrific
directed to other responses here - I think justBinia is a player (fellow players) so alas, GM doomhammering the munchkins isn't an available response.
To justBinia - have a word with your GM and any other players who want the dark and atmospheric mode. See if they (another player or the same GM) would be willing to run something Ravenloft (not CoS if you're playing that) but that captures the mood without the Munchkins.
@@stealthington ^This. If you're dissatisfied with the game, maybe you should communicate this dissatisfaction with the DM and fellow players? Convey to them what you wanted out of a game, and request that they consider going along with it.
"It's always Monday in Barovia."
Hahahahaha
Alright! Happy to have you back. Congrats again on the Kickstarter.
The few heroic vampires usually feed on criminals in Ravenloft.
Yeah! Stingers are back!
A lighthouse on a fog/mist shrouded rocky island. That's the realm I see. I havn't fleshed it out yet, but the possibilities have got me intrigued. There are so many legends and stories that could be added. Not to mention sea hags and sirens/mermaids. Can capture the adventurers anytime they board a boat and sail the sea. The book opens up so many possibilities.
Classic Doctor Who story 'Horror of Fang Rock' is literally set on a lighthouse on a rock in the mist. It's classic horror.
@@simonfernandes6809 I remember that episode. It was based on a mystery at a light house in England where the keepers died.
I think they reviewed it only because Pruitt wanted to make that pun. "We wanted to rave a lot about Ravenloft" lol
I just published a podcast episode about the book! glad to see there are other creators late to the game. Great episode, guys.
At the end of my CoS game, our bard usurped Strahd's power and overthrew him as a Dark Lord, seizing the control Strahd used to have of the plane. She became the monster to defeat another monster, and in doing so lost herself and her freedom. Great ending to the 1.5 year campaign
B.dave.Walter's and the Black Dice Society. Are doing a ravenloft setting and every. Episode has bin Amazing.
Ooh... I very much enjoy B Dave Walters. I'll have to check that out.
@@johnathanrhoades7751 Ya it's fantastic if you rilly like dark horror fantasy.
I loved the Dark Gifts, one of my PCs is Haunted by his Ancestors who've driven him to reclaim the Forge of Fury... I think their pro/con format is an easier sell to DMs than Supernatural Gifts from Theros.
Have you gentlemen put out a video on the brutal Dark Sun campaign?
Indeed we have! czcams.com/video/zvetgivupbU/video.html
@@WebDM forgive my ignorance lol
My player made Collen Robertson, a psychic dampir
From what we do in the shadows? Hilarious
Yeah good times
Oh, I can have a stitcher class now? I've wanted to make a character like Dr. Frankenstein or Geralf.
There are a few gems in this book, but boy do you have to sift through some junk. Seems to be the case for the most recent WoTC books. But you know the saying; even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I found Ebberon, Ravnevica, and Theros way more interesting, inspiring, and useful than this book.
@@davidlewis5312 Agreed. Many more gems in those books.
@@davidlewis5312 yup. I'm glad to have it, but I didn't really need it?
Was hoping they would address, either way, the batshit justification for providing no stats for the featured Darklords.
Yeah it is bizarre to describe the utterly disgusting evil of a Dark Lord and in the end to say "you can use the Mage stat block from MM"... Yeah, nothing special to see here...
WotC is like Hollywood...out of real content, pandering to the lowest common denominator
@@Melantrist I really just found the justification of what they were saying to be noise and laziness. It was a lot of 'we want you to decide when they should be faced' 'we want you to focus on the character of the darklord' 'we don't think a darklord can be fully represented by a statblock' I just found it to be garbage excuses.
Considering Strahd is just a vampire spellcaster with a few tweaks (other skills, set languages, can turn into a wolf, prepare 2 more spells, and like 2 spells swapped and 2 added) with lair actions and the possibility for 50 extra hit points, I'd honestly much rather make up something interesting myself based on a suggested statblock or description.
Always Monday in Ravenloft? Sounds like an alternate reality version of Always Sunny in Philadelphia... 🤔 I'd watch that! 👍Or, alternatively, the main cast of Always Sunny in Philadelphia are transported through the mists to be the darklords of their own Domain of Dread in Ravenloft?
Also, just realised you guys are Dresden Files fans too. That's so cool! What do you think of the Dresden Files RPG (a FATE RPG) @WebDM ?
Ngl. VRGtR was the biggest disappointment for me. I started on 2ed d&d with Ravenloft and its my favorite setting but they butchered so many of the demiplanes
gotta make sure it's only scary for the characters, not the players, and don't use horror tropes. The book said so lmao
Meh I honestly don't mind it, but then again 5e Ravenloft is worlds better than 3e Ravenloft. Jesus Christ that was ewww, you would think White wolf would have done a better job with the setting. Nope
I have two character using the reborn and dhampir lineages
the dhampir I took the spider climb literally, so i made him a small humanoid tarantula man with a rich mustache guy type accent, whos a druid of the flame that used to actually be a tarantula until he stepped in magic goo
the reborn i took elements from the weapon devils of chainsaw man and the body of alfonz from FMA, and put it into a hollow suit of armor who has broken free of this evil assassination group from a crime organization, and had them be a beast barbarian, reflavoring their weapons as blades shields and needle mouth lance, with soul wisps popping out of her every so often, and spew out when ragging.
I realy like playing both due to their straight forward attitude and their strive to make something more of themselves than just they are dhampir and reborn(not that the druid knows hes a dhampir)
So what are your thoughts on the rules for running a game where the players are survivors?
I thought each Domain had a spot in it's world it came from. There is an evil druid that runs Strad's domain in Greyhawk. Near the Tomb of Annihilation. Shadowdale and Shadowfell. To give you idea's how places are linked and there alternate lands. I love to make characters think they slaughtered a village but was really evil twins of p.c's. Swap them in the mist to get them to slay a village of horrors. Then switch back to regular world where a group of characters that looks just like them had slain the village. That nice gray area like the twilight zone. My lawful good player hated it. They lost and were killed by their evil twins later too.
Soooooo where can we get that awesome castle dm screen??
"Taxidermy Necromancy" - Taximancy?
That one is for summoning taxis. Its material component is an Uber App
Extremely disappointed in the lack of proper stat blocks for the dark lords
Some of the players in our game adore owlbears, to do that to them would be so mean 😂
And power it with the heart of a forsaken child.
I wanna use this book with MORK BORG
That is intriguing!!!
Honestly, I find the book is a great art book (old school Ravenloft never had the best art) and monsters book, but not that good of a supplement.
Sadly, old school Ravenloft books had the disadvantage of being stunk up by Baxa art. :(
Is the Edge Lord a monsters/NPC/Dread Lord in this book of Ravenloft?
I'm thinking of making a Ravenloft domain that like groundhog day. 😈
That sounds great!
So every session is the same? That sounds terrible.
@@Satchmojones lol no the day repeat itself but the players have have new puzzles and clues to look out for.
If they want run same quest again and again I guess they could.
When they figure it out they get to escape. 😁
Pretty much like LoZ : Majora's Mask, the Darklord being Majora / the Moon
Yes, it's always Monday! ...That's the real horror!
IT'S WEDNESDAY!
I was not impressed. Its great for a 5e book. Thats it. I'll keep my 2/3ed Ravenloft books
That's basically been how WotC has made me feel for awhile now!
Been more excited about third party stuff than I have been for WotC stuff! That coupled with all the God damn channels that feel the need to talk about 6E over the last two years makes me think we should expect an announcement sometime over the next 2 and half years, that would at least make 5E the longest running edition over the last TWO decades.
3e Ravenloft, ewww. Gross 3e Ravenloft was fucking awful
@@JacksonOwex 🙄 god you would have hated the old days then when editions ran for almost a decade. FFS
@@The_Real_DCT the lore and campaign setting for 3e ravenloft is really great. It allows a world that works and the players can interact with.
Did anybody catch the "niche joke" at the end? The dialogue didn't come thru very clear and there is no cc option unfortunately 😕
"Cheese is good. Sauce is good too. Definitely a buy."
Leonard
I been lazy about getting it and blending into the home rules for my games
Here I thought this was about a lofty rave.
DARKSUN
YEAH !
This is an outstanding video.
Thanks.
Horror and D&D 5e don't seem like they are a good mix. It is hard to be afraid of a monster when you are a superhero. And its frustrating to play a game about killing monsters where you are dealing with something that you cannot stop unless like Curse of Strahd, you are on a path to destroy that monster. But I never really felt like I was playing a horror game in that module, it was most just a miserable setting that felt limited.
That's a good insight and we can see where you're coming from
It is all about how the DM runs it. Paranoia, a constant drain on resources, feeling failure because the forces still seemed to kill the npc even if the town was saved, and making any dark act by the players (no murder hobo at the least, but even trying to save the bad guys instead of just killing them) be a slippery slope to evil really gives the mood even if the players characters are powerful.
@@A2forty The difference being some systems support the DM in creating that atmosphere and D&D 5e does not. 5e actively works against any such tone because all of its mechanics are superheroic and many abilities and spells can solve much of the issues. I recall Strahd trying to scare us by taking control but nope the Devotion Paladin makes the party immune to charm.
@@dylanba5251 true but mechanics alone don't create storytelling and even in things like call of Cthulhu the players are above average. The DM is the architect and arbiter of information and the biggest determiner of horror is the unknown.
Also make Strhad so powerful that he can break that. Make it so the devotion pally gives a bonus or advantage to charm saves instead of immunity. This is why session 0 is so important, you establish the tone of the game. If the players know that some monsters are so powerful that they break the rules of reality (which is basically what is happening in ravenloft) then they aren't going to be complaining when something like that happens
@@A2forty So your solution is to nerf the mechanics that area already too strong? Clearly there is a problem when you have to change things. And I would definitely be complaining as a Player where suddenly my abilities just don't work. I would much prefer the characters are just a little above average to start with like in CoC.
The DM abides
Are you guys going to go back to recording in person or do this fake version staying?
Until we are done with the pandemic no.
@@nicolaezenoaga9756 ? curious as to how that is defined
The plan is to go back to in person. We're all vaccinated. But easier said than done- there's about 2k miles in the way. Working on it pending pandemic conditions!
Jonathan got his Elton John glasses on
I made a reborn named Kelvin with a touch of dhampire flavor (not mechanically) based on Bill Waterson's Calvin with a Symbiotic Entity named Blobs. He is made of paper (construction paper) and needs to drain things of color to feed Blobs, who is made of living ink. He is an Aberrant Mind sorcerer, Hexblade Warlock, and Astral Self monk and has the Coiling Grasp, Eldritch Claw, and Masquerade tattoos.
That’s a whole lot of something.
@@starssandwich5093 he's an NPC, so I'm really just playing around with a dark twist on Calvin.
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Going to amazon, it appears the only complaints (low star reviews) about the book is that some of the domains are not as feature rich as past editions, and all the wokenings happening in the setting to accommodate a wider player base by those who find it overly tedious to consider one's players feelings when playing a horror-based setting. I personally prefer d100 tables too, because they can be immediately used in any side-quest that is just a little off kilter. Good review. Still not a big enough fan to care to get it though.
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Yay
You have obviously never Viciously Mocked a vampire
I find that 5e settings dont give you details of the world to run. It’s too general and lazy, and here the hammer and shovel andbuilt it yourself. I find that it defeats the purpose of buying a setting book.
Ravenloft peaked with the 2E black box.
I refer to it as 'Disney Horror' lol
C'mon Web DM. No combat stats for the Dark Lords? No index!? WotC gets a C- AT BEST
algorythm?
My dm didn’t like my bard breaking into Tatyana don’t live here no mo. When we bust into the castle. The song is to the bad rap song shaniqua don’t live here no mo.
Like, umm, you know..
Ah shit, here we go again.
Damn it, second
So close!
@@WebDM senpai noticed me. Hashtag - pleased
I absolutely hate what they did to this setting. They butchered it!!!
Yes, yes they did but they are calling it a "fresh rework of outdated content" I guess...
@@Melantrist Full of lazy pandering . Instead of writing new characters, they just gender and race swapped them. That's not being diverse, that's the most profound example of lazy writing I've ever seen. One new domain in the whole book, sad. And to top it off, it's a book that scared to be real horror. It's a Scooby Doo version of a fantastic Gothic Horror setting.
@@midnightgreen8319 and the only new domain is just a paragraph!
The only thing I can say is "God bless Drivethrou RPG!
@@Melantrist yes, I know a whole team of people worked on this, but the only effort I can see is actively disrespecting the original setting.
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mama mia
As for your plug, about your own kickstarter... it's been over 23 months & you don't bother sending regular updates, letter-loan any actual physical products!
It's pathetically slow & I feel bad for everyone who backed you!
Seriously, shame on you both!
I apologise for sounding like "a Karen", but pull your fingers out!!
The race swapping on this product is cringe, not to mention that they've done away with true horror of the setting. Aside from this, why buy products from people that despise you? I won't.
D&D 5th edtion just sucks more and more if your tired of playing a superhero game disguised as a fantasy game, and want a dangerous low magic, and deadly fantasy game try HACKMASTER 5th edition. The Best Clone of old school D&D with rules that makes sense.
This book was a massive disappointment. It was such a shadow of what it should have been, and felt like the writing was "phoned in."
This was a dreadful review
I just can't be excited about WotC stuff. My opinion of the last couple of years of books hasn't been good and I have been WAAAAAAY more excited for third party stuff than WotC stuff, wish I would have had the money to get "Weird Wastelands" but Covid and my laziness, mostly my laziness, made me unable to get the book right now, hoping it will be available somewhere later!