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  • @Jasonoid
    @Jasonoid Před 4 měsíci +1

    You can find the ICECO VL45 HERE:
    collabs.shop/spqp9f
    You can find the ICECO VL45Pro HERE:
    collabs.shop/vvcfuu
    Don't forget the DISCOUNT CODE for 12% Off: JASONOID (apply at checkout on their website)
    POWER STATION GRADING SHEET + Fridge Comparison Sheet HERE:
    jasonoid.com/powerstations/

  • @wadehoagland9188
    @wadehoagland9188 Před měsícem +1

    Own the 45 pro, going on year 3 it has been problem free, on a trip where car temps in sun were well over 110 deg, was capable maintaining ice cream, its a game changer not to have wet contents due to ice melt. great investment.

  • @LiquidTurbo
    @LiquidTurbo Před rokem +11

    VL45 all the way. People, it's just a fridge. Save the money for other things. It does the job and does the job well.

    • @thomasbarlow4223
      @thomasbarlow4223 Před rokem +2

      Yeah until that piece of crap breaks a year after you bought it. My VL65 just died and I'm super butthurt over me wasting $700 don't get me wrong it was super great while it lasted but things should last more than a year or so

    • @LiquidTurbo
      @LiquidTurbo Před rokem +2

      @@thomasbarlow4223 Sorry to hear that. Do you know what the cause was? I'm interested. Normally it sounds like these freezers are quite durable, as there isn't much that can go wrong.

  • @angelmadrid1202
    @angelmadrid1202 Před rokem +5

    The VL45Pro is great! I use it for camping. It keeps everything cool. I run it with an EcoFlow River Pro. It’s fantastic and doesn’t need any ice.

  • @ajf5823
    @ajf5823 Před rokem +1

    I just bought and used your code and you saved me $83! THANK YOU SO MUCH!! :)

  • @anthonychetta2317
    @anthonychetta2317 Před rokem +3

    I have the VL45. It's been an outstanding little fridge. We use it everyday to store cold drinks in around the house. I have no complaints at all. We love it.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      Great feedback Anthony :) Thanks for sharing!

  • @aqustks
    @aqustks Před rokem +1

    This is the video that finalized my decision on purchasing the pro! Thank you!

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      Good choice! You'll love it!

  • @mas921
    @mas921 Před rokem +2

    Great comparison, never thought the differences would be as such.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +1

      Quite the differences with the lid design, right!

  • @dumboldfool
    @dumboldfool Před rokem +2

    Bought a VL45 per your recommendation. I use it motorcycle camping and it works Great

  • @preppermcprepperson
    @preppermcprepperson Před rokem +2

    Great video. Glad I found you, you have a lot of videos I plan to watch. I’d love to see a comparison between some of these popular iceco models and the higher cost options like dometic, arb, etc.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      It's hard to justify buying a Dometic or ARB when I have these models that work perfectly fine. Maybe someday I'll buy one to see how they compare with efficiency and features. Gotta grow the channel so I can afford that type of thing.

  • @slartibartfast9236
    @slartibartfast9236 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I really appreciate how thorough you guys are. I'll be buying a version of the VL Pro series (and using your discount code:-)

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 10 měsíci +1

      Can't go wrong with the pro models! The VL60 pro is my favorite fridge! Love the lid design and the dual power inputs

  • @eandm8982
    @eandm8982 Před rokem +1

    Thanks Jason for the review efforts, i appreciate how much time and energy must go into the production. I have the iceco jp40(original kickstarter version) and that machine is solid. Excellent insulation, waterproof interior and bulletproof construction. I think at 299$ was a great deal for a great cooler... Just froze/stored and thawed tw0 16# turkeys in it this past Thanksgiving. I also have an acopower px40 pro with accessory battery/power pack. What a great concept. I just plug the solar in directly and alls good. I've been running it at least 6 months now 24/7 keeping different seasonal produce fresh @~40'f. It works well for that keeping the humidity up which the produce likes and the house refrigerator doesn't do. With the wheels i can roll it out to the porch at night for less power usage (uses around 20% of the battery at night on the cool porch) and bring it in in the morning and plug in the solar. A really convenient design. It is definitely built less robust than the iceco and the interior layout isn't the most convenient but the battery(with mppt charge controler 2 usb a ports and a usb c pd port) wheel kit and direct solat input(and there is an app for remote operation...Bluetooth distance limited though) are pretty much a game changer for convenience... no need to tie up a power station just for the reefer. I charge tablets, laptops and phones with it all the while it is keeping the produce fresh. Battery seems very well built never gets hot or any of the other causes for lion batteriy concerns. 1 bouge rv 180w solar panel has been running it rain or shine with power to spare.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +1

      Excellent explanation of how you use your fridges, thanks for sharing! You have a lot of great ideas here.

  • @mt.sylvania9218
    @mt.sylvania9218 Před rokem +1

    Great review thanks. I’d like to know more about the EPS capability of power stations backing up the fridge with pass-through power. If AC input power to the power station is lost and the power station completely discharges, when the AC input power is restored will the power station resume passing through power while recharging the battery?

  • @user-sz8ed7dz1n
    @user-sz8ed7dz1n Před měsícem

    really good info, thank you....Simple choice for me " vl 45" simple, clean, fuse on the outside.

  • @user--PM
    @user--PM Před rokem +2

    both look to be solid, to decide it would have to be on size and use case. thanks for the review.

  • @RandiG63
    @RandiG63 Před rokem +1

    Great info Jason nice discount too ! 👍🏻

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      How's the SetPower treating you these days?

    • @RandiG63
      @RandiG63 Před rokem +1

      @@Jasonoid I’m a huge fan of setPower 😊💕

  • @hificat101
    @hificat101 Před rokem +3

    Thanks for the review. Thinking about buying a second fridge, and I think I like the old school 45 better.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      I like the simplicity of the original as well!

  • @justsmy5677
    @justsmy5677 Před 8 měsíci +1

    The PRO lid opening both directions is nice for getting things out from both inside or outside of your truck bed. When camping out of your truck space and having to slide stuff around is nice.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 8 měsíci +1

      I agree! I love the lid design.

  • @karlwaskiewicz
    @karlwaskiewicz Před 10 měsíci +1

    Highly appreciate your comparison spreadsheet. I'm thinking of upsizing from my Alpicool (same thing as Vevor/iMars) C15 to the VL45 and it was really difficult to get a clear answer as to how my power draw will change. Now I have an answer (It pretty much won't despite the 3x volume upgrade). Thank you.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yeah it's pretty awesome you'll see around the same power usage since these are so well insulated. My favorite fridge is the VL60pro for the lid design and the dual power inputs but you cant go wrong with either model line!

  • @donjuan6646
    @donjuan6646 Před rokem

    Nice info here . 👍

  • @Mike_219
    @Mike_219 Před rokem +3

    Thorough review, Jason! If I ever go out and camp more than a few times a year, I would invest in an iceco. Seems like it's the best quality to price ratio where Dometics are just way too much and I wouldn't trust the cheap brands that I currently have (Bouge, F40C4TMP)

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      Dometics have come down in price a little recently to compete with ICECO, they are still about $200 to $300 more money.

  • @adoublee9022
    @adoublee9022 Před rokem

    Is there a mobile refrig + freezer type you would recommend for sole use with 120V AC that a Ford Lightning electric truck has always available to outlet in bed? Seems like 12V is not needed and I'd prefer to not even have an adapter brick to keep special track of. Would be great if it is uses as much of 21" available to bottom of tonneau cover while still fitting under it, which knocks out dorm style refrigerators that probably are designed for mobile duty and might not have both refrig and freezer.

  • @rjru-man4596
    @rjru-man4596 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for your thorough reviews, especially opening up the compressor compartment. After some research last year, I see Iceco as on the short list. Right now I'm laying out an installation in a very small trailer, built in, and need some idea of what I'm looking at to take the controls out of the box and mount remotely; your review helped a lot. Can you by chance comment on which vents let air in and which blow out? And how much "breeze" there seems to be? I'm guessing the fan blows in across the condenser and the end panel and opposite side vent the air out.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      Correct, when looking at the fridge control panel straight on, the air flows from right to left. The airflow isn't very strong but you can feel it moving out of the vents.

  • @catherinestitt9640
    @catherinestitt9640 Před rokem +4

    I got the VL45 earlier this year - worked great for camping and then we've used it as an extra freezer during the holidays. I do have a thermometer inside and I tend to see about a 5 degree difference between where the thermometer is (towards the top) vs. the readout, but haven't spent a ton of time looking into that - I'd second a vote for the display temp video though!

  • @DutchK75
    @DutchK75 Před rokem

    I think if I was going to buy one of these two it would be the regular VL45. It has a better seal as well.

  • @titaniummaster1532
    @titaniummaster1532 Před rokem

    Do one on the external battery pack

  • @MrWinger1951
    @MrWinger1951 Před rokem +9

    I'm still very pleased with the VL45 I've owned for a few years now. Other than the significant temperature discrepancy between the set point and the actual internal temperature, it has performed flawlessly. Would like to see you do an efficiency test with the VL45 using ICECO's cooling blanket.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +13

      Hey Winger, the display temperature can be adjusted via the 'advanced settings' of the fridge to get things to match up better. I adjusted my VL45 and now it's spot on. I'll have to make a quick video on the subject.

    • @MrWinger1951
      @MrWinger1951 Před rokem +3

      @@Jasonoid If you can do a video on that it would be VERY MUCH appreciated. I had no idea that the VL45 had an advanced settings menu!

    • @brucered
      @brucered Před 10 měsíci +3

      ​@@Jasonoidwas a video done on this yet?

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@brucered not yet, I wish it was the same for each fridge model. The VL series is different than the VLpro and it's not a super simple process.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 9 měsíci +4

      Here's the video: czcams.com/users/shortsBlPn4sP-LyI?feature=share

  • @ajf5823
    @ajf5823 Před rokem +1

    Great comparison. I’m putting my fridge under a shelf with 11” clearance so like that l can easily remove the lid on the Pro vs the standard

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      That would be a great scenario for the Pro model

    • @ajf5823
      @ajf5823 Před rokem +1

      @@Jasonoid ..I bought the Pro for that main reason. I was looking at the JP50Pro but didn't want wheels or handles as it's going in my off road trailer and probably won't be moved much.

  • @ronvosick8253
    @ronvosick8253 Před rokem

    Looking for that fridge/ freezer combo.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +1

      ICECO makes dual models that function as a fridge and freezer at the same time. You can find them here: icecofreezer.com/collections/iceco-vl-series

  • @markschuster8847
    @markschuster8847 Před rokem

    😂 Would this be better to run the VL 45 off of a Eco Flo river max or river pro 2 and than changing Ecoflo off car battery while driving we are trying to start doing 3 day camping trips and thanks for the Quick response

  • @LeoLiburon
    @LeoLiburon Před rokem

    would like to see an iceco v60pro or the dual zone larger one vs the set power tc75. not many video on the tc75 but its a good bit cheaper then the v60pro and larger been on the fence for months on which one to get.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +1

      I'm hoping to review the TC75 later this year, once it warms up

  • @markschuster8847
    @markschuster8847 Před rokem

    This is probably a silly question but can I run the VL 45 off a typical car battery while traveling making stops along the way and than once to my destination plug the Unit in

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      You can run it off a typical car battery, but you'll want the car engine running as much as possible to keep the battery from dying. By running the fridge off your starter battery, you risk killing your battery as the fridge pulls power. You can leave yourself stranded.

  • @jaycarneygiants
    @jaycarneygiants Před rokem +1

    If you plug in the AC and DC ports which will it prioritize? Will it swap over if 1 source dies?

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      It will use AC power as a priority, then DC as the backup.

  • @robertj20
    @robertj20 Před rokem

    Glad i stumbled on your channel. Totally new to powered coolers and have just started dabbling in this. Ive been looking at the IceCo VL60DZ for my 4runner, mainly for weekend trips for a family of 4. I installed a Blue Sea auxiliary panel directly to my starter battery which is a MegaLife battery with emergency start. My question is, i want to be able to drain this battery to 0% but it seems like these fridges all have a battery protection system to prevent that, ARB, Dometic, all of them. Is there a way to bypass this? So far my only idea is to buy the Iceco powerstation since its regulated 12v and use that to plug the fridge into so the powerstation drains my battery instead of the fridge? Anyway like i said, new to this any help is appreciated TY!

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      The best option would be to turn the fridge battery protection setting to 'LOW' and it will take your main starter battery down to 10 volts. At 10volts your starter battery should be all the way to 0%. I'm not familiar with that "MegaLife" battery. Is it a lithium option that allows 100% DOD?

    • @robertj20
      @robertj20 Před rokem

      @@Jasonoid Ohhhh i didnt know that! ok that makes sense. I couldnt find a DOD stat on this battery only a self discharge rate of 1% idk if thats the same. I bought this battery because it has an emergency start built into the battery if it ever reaches 0%. Wll that and the weight savings of almost 50lbs, but after watching a few of your videos i might have been better off building my own battery box OR buying a small power station. I really just didnt want to deal with solar panels and wiring, im not the best at that ha.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      I'm sure that battery will work for running a fridge, it'd be good to get a model number and all the specs so you can estimate how much runtime you'll get.

  • @davidfrantz7953
    @davidfrantz7953 Před rokem

    Im buying the bluetti ac200p to run fridge and cpap, is the draw difference of vl45pros enough that I should go with the vl45. It will be in a car 1/2 time and I like the idea of the multifunctional lid. Help, thx

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +1

      The power consumption of both fridges is very similar, just a few watts difference. Chose the option that best suites your needs. Make sure you use my discount code to save on 12% on the price! JASONOID

  • @Elmousafir
    @Elmousafir Před měsícem

    Important question ? is it okay to drive and keep the fridge (VL45) on ?

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před měsícem

      Yes, having the fridge on while driving is not an issue.

  • @camper118
    @camper118 Před rokem +2

    I have the VL45 and don't need one any better.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      It's an excellent fridge!

  • @jw3843
    @jw3843 Před rokem +1

    Iceco seems to be a decent brand. they are more expensive than the brands i have but probably more dependable. but so far, the biggest difference is the fact they are more accurate on the temp settings then the cheap ones i have. about the same wattage usage as one of mine, but possibly keep cooler longer than the cheap ones. the first one i bought was 250 dollars and one of the reviews said it came with a secop compressor, but mine does not say that on the compressor. it pulls 35 on eco and 45 on max but the temp is off by about 10 to 15 degrees. sometimes less than 10 degrees difference which is weird that it is not very consistent on the difference. My next fridge would probably be an iceco and out of these i would most likely go with the cheapest one. the pro would be great for camping since it has the covers on it.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      I've found that the temperature accuracy comes from the 'exposed' temp sensors inside the fridge. I haven't seen many other fridge brands do that, most have their sensors behind the interior wall so they can't be super accurate! Thanks for commenting JW!

  • @OnusBones
    @OnusBones Před rokem +1

    As a big fan of efficiency, I'd be more interested in the VL45. I currently have four compressor-coolers, so I'm not in the market for another (unless one of these fails), but Iceco is on my short list for my next one.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      What's your favorite model that you do own? Hows the temperature accuracy compared to the display?

    • @OnusBones
      @OnusBones Před rokem

      @@Jasonoid The two I'm using now are both 53/54 Qt models. One is BougeRV, so I'd probably go with that one. The other, iirc, is a cheap knockoff that I think is "Foho." It's cheap, but has run set at around 10F for a few years now. One of its primary tasks is I put new bags of flour in it to kill any bugs or bug eggs that may be in it. The BougeRV model is kept at 50F, and is full of jars of nuts helping them not go rancid. Oh, and as to temperature accuracy, not great; usually a good 4F-5F higher than the setting, even after the compressor has shut off. All of mine are like that.

    • @DutchK75
      @DutchK75 Před rokem

      @@OnusBones Hi I too am addicted to 12v fridges. I have 5. I'm pretty Gucci though. 2 Dometics, (55im and 25) 2 Engel MT45's and a Snomaster 85L.
      The 2 Engels I'll never part with.
      Edited to add: I'm not a efficiency person. I want maximum cooling capacity. Fast draw down times. It's food.
      I think people get hung up on efficiency due to the power demands. And don't take in the saftey factor of keeping food safe outdoors or what have you.

  • @davealbright517
    @davealbright517 Před rokem

    Is the Pro Lid strong enough for a person to sit on the frig ?

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +1

      I wouldn't recommend it just because I don't want you to damage it... but it's probably okay for someone below 150lb haha

  • @PittiesAndMore
    @PittiesAndMore Před rokem

    I purchased VL60Pro because of the lid.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      It's a excellent design!

  • @litnoregrets7551
    @litnoregrets7551 Před rokem

    Great topic. I could not get a clear idea from IceCo the difference and reading marketing material is not helpful. Thank you so much. Love the VL45., which they had a dual compartment 45. BTW, I have the JP40. It fits my space better than the VL and has worked well. 12:01

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      The JP40 is a great fridge, it's also less weight than these models since it's made from plastic!

  • @saephanvern
    @saephanvern Před rokem

    Need a 40q - 45q dual zone.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      Couple options I'd recommend for a 40-45qt dual zone:
      -SetPower PT45 budget offering: czcams.com/video/2tNX0fw1QZ4/video.html (I reviewed the PT55 here)
      -EcoFlow Glacier (expensive) Dual Zone with Icemaker: czcams.com/video/Om39YQOc-eg/video.html

  • @claycassin8437
    @claycassin8437 Před rokem +2

    It's a no brainer to buy the regular version, in my mind. It is cheaper, more efficient, and looks nicer. The only truly practical improvement of the pro version is a drain plug...basically a 100 dollar drain plug.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +1

      Thanks for the feedback Clay! Great point!

    • @MrDaveB123
      @MrDaveB123 Před 11 měsíci +2

      The lid design is definitely worth the upgrade. Easily

    • @briandorsey6437
      @briandorsey6437 Před 10 měsíci

      Lid design, lower profile, quieter fan, better looking

    • @claycassin8437
      @claycassin8437 Před 10 měsíci

      @@MrDaveB123 I do not see the improvement. The statistics say otherwise. The less expensive one with the "inferior" lid is more energy efficient. That is a bottom line for me. I am talking off grid, here. Nothing else matters.

    • @claycassin8437
      @claycassin8437 Před 10 měsíci

      @@briandorsey6437 Better looking? Quieter? Smaller? Really? Like I give a crap when my batteries are running low? Get out of town. I'll take efficiency over "better looking" 8 days out of the week, thank you.

  • @johnr5545
    @johnr5545 Před rokem

    God bless

  • @alty6ser
    @alty6ser Před 8 měsíci

    Lined with metal?????????????

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 8 měsíci

      Yes, both are. It helps with heat transfer.

    • @alty6ser
      @alty6ser Před 8 měsíci

      It's not metal.. its aluminum

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 8 měsíci +1

      Lol.... 😂🤣
      Aluminum is a metal.
      It's the most abundant metal in Earth's crust and the second most abundant material after silicon.
      Aluminum is a silvery-white metal that's good at conducting heat and electricity.
      It's also lightweight, resistant to corrosion, ductile, and extremely malleable.

  • @timfetters5115
    @timfetters5115 Před 7 měsíci

    Wow you got one to last for three years. Are you being truthful?

    • @timfetters5115
      @timfetters5115 Před 7 měsíci

      Did you actually use it that long or you’ve just had it that long?

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 7 měsíci

      I use mostly my VL60pro now but my VL45 has gotten lots of use since I bought it. That's the fridge that started all of this haha

  • @keithhart3212
    @keithhart3212 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks. The indoctrinated side has we desiring the pro model, the engineer side says the regular 45 (all the way). I'm old, so I sit inside RV pontificating the choices. Well what an absolute ass I'm being! There's no choice here, it's all about the indoctrinated side wanting what I've already got plenty of! Don't need extra charging USB port, don't care what it looks like it serves a function only! So after kicking my ego away and saving money (extra dog treats for Buddy) my grumpy old arse will have both better efficiency, saved money for dog treats, less power consumption.... I'll take the 45 hands down. Anyone else wondering which to choose from, unless you've a specific reason for the pro, your ego fools you, think about if you were recommending for a friend who had little money and wanted the functionality only! Yes, the 45.... Thanks for the code savings...

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před 7 měsíci

      I love the VL45, its simple, efficient and durable. I love the thick storng lid as well. Good choice!

  • @dtarlian
    @dtarlian Před rokem +1

    After informing ICECO that the inside temp was as much as 9-10 degrees warmer than the display (with 3 high quality thermometers over a weeks time),they told me that a 14 DEGREE difference was normal. And sent me this Einstein theory:
    Hi there,
    Thanks for contacting us. We would like to explain to you that the temperature control logic of this model is based on Celsius (°C) units. When you switch to Fahrenheit (°F), the temperature is calculated using the formula F = (320 + 18C) / 10 and then rounded to the nearest whole number for display. The temperature setting range is -20°C to +20°C, which is equivalent to -4°F to 68°F in Fahrenheit.
    It is normal that the fluctuate of our fridge within 14℉. The working principle of the compressor is that when the temperature sensing head detects that the temperature inside the refrigerator has reached the set temperature, the compressor will stop working, and the temperature inside the refrigerator will rise; when the temperature inside the refrigerator rises to a certain temperature, the compressor will continue to work to cool down.
    The laboratory's test standard is based on the running average temperature of the center inside the fridge, to determine whether or not the fridge is qualified by monitoring it in real time over a long period of time.
    And the temperature displayed is actually the running average temperature of the internal centre of the fridge.
    If you have further questions, please feel free to contact us, thank you!
    Best Regards,
    Ellen
    ....really?
    I didn't see this theory on your website while you were boasting accuracy.

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem

      There is a special menu where you can adjust the display to match the internal temperature. It's listed as the F1, F2, and F3 in the menu. With a little experimenting, and tests you can get it to match up more accurately. I've adjusted one of my fridges in the past. The menu is little different in the VL series VS the VL pro. I've really needed to make the video for awhile, thanks for the reminder. If you ask them about the menu they will give it to you (hopefully). You'll need to write down the default numbers so you know what the stock numbers were.

  • @thomasbarlow4223
    @thomasbarlow4223 Před rokem

    Yeah until that piece of crap breaks a year after you bought it. My VL65 just died and I'm super butthurt over me wasting $700 don't get me wrong it was super great while it lasted but things should last more than a year or so

    • @Jasonoid
      @Jasonoid Před rokem +2

      Call their support phone number this next week, they should help get things taken care of. My experience with ICECO support has been positive and if they didn't answer they've always returned my voicemail.
      Now I'll tell ya, I have had some viewers send me some pretty crazy pictures about abused fridges wondering why they broke. One fridge was so dusty inside the fan wouldn't even spin anymore. Probably led the compressor to overheat. These fridges are electronics and can't be thrown around like a ice chest / cooler.