The whole use of cameos and referencing better films as a way to press the audience nostalgia button is pretty lazy and it seems to be all Disney can do anymore. I would see it as both a cash grab and an act of desperation.
They brought back David Tennant to ruin his legacy in Doctor Who. They brought back Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford to ruin their legacy Star Wars. They brought back Harrison Ford to ruin his legacy in Indiana Jones. What could possibly go wrong with RDJ returning to Iron Man?
I had David Tennant in mind and just scrolled down the comments to make sure I wasn't repeating anything. Exactly that, any attempt to bring a great character back is just for a bit of character assassination; I'd rather they left him dead. Sitting him down for a lecture about pronouns, his misogynistic, playboy streak in the beginning and any accusations of toxic masculinity by some purple haired they/them would be totally ignoring the redemption arc that saving the universe at the expense of his life affords a character. I can't even go back and watch "old" new Who now. I look at Tennant and all I see is a sellout. I don't want to see that with RDJ too.
The fact is, if the MCU would just more closely adapt the classic storylines, they’d have *great* content for years. So many great individual character and team stories, so many characters that could become fan favorites.
If RDJ returns I wouldn't blame him. Even though I despise Disney and the ppl working there. If they offered me just a third of what they would pay RDJ, I'd take the 💰 and run like I stole it.
@@michaelrivera8360 things like tone and arc matter. In fact, its one of the reasons why MCU is in such a state right now. The Mult verse is just plot armor an excuse to change more stuff that doesnt need to be, and un-doing Tony's sacrifice is just dumb and lazy to be blunt.
It's also actors. Many actors support and even influence writers' directions. On top of that, most actors will tell you how they take roles and stories they believe in. Writers, actors, directors, studios, and producers are all to blame.
It’s starts with the writing, but unless the actors make the story believable, it will end the same. Writers, actors, and director can make or break a movie.
Well for starters getting a set long term vision by establishing an overarching plot. Have a clear picture in mind fr each and every new character that is introduced; u shld have a rough idea as to where u wanna take that character and whether that character features in this grand vision of theirs or not. If not, keep the character's story arc seperate from the rest of the continuity and self contained so that audiences can follow them separately. Try not to appease certain groups and elements by lazily written dialogue pandering and overall storylines hellbent on proving a certain point.
I'm certain that Disney execs watch prominent CZcams critics and read the comments. They know what their audience thinks about their crappy products. It's incredible to see a business go against its own customers to the degree that they will pretend real criticism doesn't exist and even attack their own audience. Sadly, the reality is the extremely wealthy people at the top want diverse/gay/feminist/trans propaganda so that's what they'll keep producing. RDJs return would be like David Tennant's return in Doctor Who. It would just be a hook to get people in to watch some preachy garbage.
I wouldn't walk across the street for ANYTHING from Disney. Hope RDJ is able to collect another huge salary from them since he's done a lot of high quality performances. And the idea of this wretched company losing millions always makes me smile. They certainly deserve it.
Problem is majority of the people making the MCU movies now have no passion for the characters. You look at everyone who was in control of all the MCU films with Kevin Feigie. They had love for the characters now that passion is gone.
Respectfully Miss Jay, there is NOTHING dorky about you. You're intelligent, witty and beautiful. I truly enjoy your videos. GOD bless you. Be blessed to be a blessing. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Nothing dorky? I think you have a flawed definition of that word. She's all those things you listed, *and* dorky, which just adds even more value to the package 😁
There is one reason I would support RDJ coming back.... to get paid $100m for his role up front in cash, and then the movie flops harder than madam web 🤣
The only way this MIGHT work is if he’s a Stark from a different reality. They could turn him into a villain like Steve Roger’s hydra storyline. But they’ll probably bring him back from the dead. F-Marvel.
I don’t want to see Tony as a villain, it’s the same opposite Reed Richards and others showing up for 5 mins just to get killed off….just no Leave things alone
but... couldn't Tony Stark come back (being his toxic former-self) to literally put an end to woke/bridge/esg by being, get this, himself? He put an end to Thanos, next Capt Marvel AND the new Ms. Surfer. A three hour movie (or two parts) that shows the world that strong men can save the planet. He could be our Superman, minus the cape, and with all the sacrifice.
I think it’s ridiculous to think that the MCU can continue without utilizing its top tier characters like Iron Man or Steve Rodgers Captain America regardless of Endgame’s ending. These are comic book characters and no comic book character stays dead forever. What? Disney isn’t allowed to bring back a character that’s been in the pop culture landscape in some form another for the last 60 years? These are comic book characters and comic book stories. Stop taking this stuff so seriously. One of the major things killing the MCU right now besides bad writing and agenda driven story telling has been it’s move to less popular Z grade characters that lack charismatic stars like Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans. They killed Iron Man, killed T’Challa Black Panther, aged out Captain America, nerfed and destroyed classic Hulk, made Thor a punchline and foolishly thought crap like Captain Marvel and Shang Chi would suffice as suitable replacements. Going back to the well of classic marvel characters and storytelling is EXACTLY what the MCU needs. Again this ain’t Schindler’s List - Endgame was a comic book movie and a good one, but this reverence for that ending is just laughable to me. Enjoy this stuff for what it is.
Saw a what if situation where he allegedly survived the snap where he essentially lost his mind and became superior Ironman, would be a cool concept but them killing him off and then seeing where marvel is now not sure it’s a great idea
Look, we all want the same thing; we want the MCU to be great again. I thought at the time back in 2019 the MCU was likely to decline in quality because it had been unnaturally good and consistent for a decade. I mean, look at any long lasting series of films and they have ups and downs. Their strategy was highly risky: we're gonna take our MCU, kill off two main beloved characters Tony & Natasha) and age off third (Cap) , increase the quality of production in films and TV and assume we can maintain quality and not hurt our brand. In the words of Iron Man - 'Not a great plan". They also had bad lick- the pandemic, the delay of getting out Gaurdians 3 that was supposed to start the new slate of films, and the death of Chadwick Boseman. As its gone the movies have been a mixed bag of very good (Spidey3 & Gaurdains) to poor (Eternals ). Its the Disney Plus shows that have too often been unwatchable (Secret Invasion). But even here we also have gems like Moonknoght and Werewolf By Night. Now that some MCU movies have tanked at the box-office Marvel seems to have gotten the message. They have slowed production- Echo was dropped in a way so people wouldn't make too much of it & Ironheart put on a shelf somewhere. They are reworking Daredevil til its something fans will like. I think the real problem of the MCU 2021-2023 is even Feiige spread himself too thin and didn't closely supervise everything the way he used to. He let a bunch of his top creatives go (Joss Whedon, James Gunn & the Russo Brothers) and brought in folks who didn't quite know what they were doing. But this is fixable. So, I would welcome back RDJ in a well-written Marvel movie. (I wouldn't get Joss Whedon to direct as he seems to have a Jeckyl & Hyde personality but I'd bring him back to write in a nan0-second). I agree we shouldn't cheapen straks death but imagine the following scenario: Evil Invincible Iron Man threatens to destroy our universe so another Tony Stark (played by Downey) from another universe is recruited to help save ours. .Only he LACKS CONFIDENCE! Hes insecure! Everyone is begging him to gain Iron Mans smarts and swagger gain.We see him grow in confidence as he watches the record of OUR Tony Stark (and maybe a pep talk from Pepper?) and he helps foil the Evil Iron Man in the end. I think that could work.
The MCU died in 2019 with AVENGERS: ENDGAME. People need to get on that program instead of longing for something that will never come. The MCU had its time under the sun. A good eleven years. Now it's past time most say goodbye.
Kevin feige said they won't touch that iconic moment and would remain untouched so that they won't ruin it. hence there's a possibility that he might return as superior iron man in secret wars or any alternate version of iron man Hope that clears the confusion ❤
And people never realize in the comics Ironman was an asshole no one liked him he kicked off every single team but now in mcu all of a sudden he's the shit......o well whatcha gnna do smh 🤦
Once again Jay, you are totally correct! I am afraid that since they've opened the pandora's box of the multi-verse, I can see them bringing him back. From a verse where he didn't die would probably be the least problematic (from a purely 'How do we get away with this one?' perspective). Squeezing him into 'Secret Wars', would probably do it. Ugh, please just no!
The problem isn't ACTOR driven. It is the writing. And Bringing Cap Back or Tony won't fix it because they will just be given woke lines and a woke story. They are like a Virus!🤣🤣😂😂 Just give up and stop buying their poop on a stick.
Hell he could play another version of Tony Stark that is even better then his first 11 years in the MCU. Having more of RDJ is always great. So bring him back.
The original Ironman has a gritty, grounded feel that sets it apart from its contemporary kinda-silly, kinda-spandex superhero content. It's my favorite MCU movie. RDJ needs to hold onto that legacy and stay far, far away from Disney Marvel.
If disney brings back iron man, i guess first of all they are in a desperate situation and they need money... 2, like you said they want us to live again the glorious days of the mcu but by doing that it wont add anything to his character... I have theories in mind that could be potentially interesting but i don't know if disney will get him back: 1) Tony stark could have created another AI in secret with the technology to save his intellect, so the other marvel heroes discovers it and they could get some help from him for further threats 2) tony could come from another earth and maybe have a plan ahead and one step ahead plan in case anything goes wrong, it could be another version of him that already planned something in secret that the heroes doesn't know about... 3) tony could be brought back as an AI with the little guy from Iron man 3 which was at his funeral and grew older at the time, it could introduce iron lad as the next iron man and maybe have a role in armor wars along side rodhey who was replaced by a skrull in secret invasion so they could bring also knowledge for morgan his daughter 4) tony could be an evil version of iron man and doesn't come from earth but instead from another dimension and could potentially have evil plans on taking over the avengers and bring along with him the superior persona 5) tony could have been replaced been a skrull all along and doesn't know that his technology has been sold around the world and the real tony stark had a secret lab hidden and nowhere to be found whefe he could operate to destroy the company that stole his technology 6) tony stark could have found the way to travel through time and meet a younger version of himself and warn him about the future, also he could have met the f4 on the way and discover the technology to travel through dimensions as well and prevent any threats that could come from out of space and time
I do not see RDJ coming back as a resurrected living Tony. I could totally see him coming back as an AI like Jarvis for the Avengers or as a variant. Neither of those possibilities would take away from his sacrifice in Endgame. Gamora similarly came back, but it was established that this is not the same Gamora. No one complained about that.
How can you destroy something that's already been utterly destroyed? The MCU has sucked since End Game and the roster of characters they have left are lacklustre to say the least.
I’m open to the idea of the character returning, as long as he’s significantly different than before. Like a teen Tony adaptation, or superior iron man as the new villain for Secret Wars now that Kang is gone. But still just a one or two-off, not a permanent return.
I prefer to let Disney Marvel sulk in the fact they CAN NEVER DO IT AGAIN. They will never be able to capture the lighting in a bottle from the original films.
I've debated this with friends since Endgame, I think RDJ and Evans should stay gone. They were great but it would be so desperate to bring them back and nothing would ever matter again because you can just keep bringing people back.
If Disney cared about writing, I wouldn't mind an alternate universe Tony Stark played by Tom Cruise based in the 1980's. It be fun to give him a mullet too like in the old 80's animated series lol You could even have him time travel to the 1960's which is what the new fantastic 4 movie time line is going to be in. He be the one from the future in this case. It be more compelling to make his character super intense like tom cruise in real life , but to the point where it's funny to see him interact with other avengers because he comes off as a lunatic.
Right now, I only count the two Spider-Man movies after Endgame as cannon! I am fine having Spider-Man reset and on his own as a good endpoint if nothing better comes out!
Personally, I don't like how they MIGHT make Tony's sacrifice meaningless if they go that route. But if they do flashbacks or maybe an Iron Man movie taking place before endgame where he lets say... Fights Titanium Man (another well known Iron Man Villain. Who had his own live action toy back in 2008 despite not appearing in that movie), which I would love. Although I wholeheartedly understand your concern Snarks
I think RDJ as Iron Man in battleworld with the original 6, the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spidey and Venom would be a good one off to finally end the MCU and then they can reboot and do whatever it is they want to do to finish slaughtering our once great franchise.
I heard a rumor about Chris Evans wanting to come back and play the human torch again for fun, though I think that’s a terrible idea. Apart of me thinks it might be cool, but the whole multiverse phase has basically killed all of the hype for the MCU. Bringing RDJ back as Iron-Man again is just plain wrong.
I don't want Robert Downey Jr. to return to the iron man role; it would literally invalidate everything that has come before. If Downey is willing to come back, it's just a money grab, which is sad. I don't want Disney's grubby, dirty, little hands, anywhere near these characters, or their arcs. They went out on top; let's leave it that way. I grew up with these books, and I don't feel that Disney is 'worthy' of telling their stories.
If it were up to me, I would reboot everything, bye bye to lame Skrulls, Kree and Nick Fury, to Antonia Taskmaster, to Annete Bening's Mar-Vell, to Tenoch Huerta's Namor, to Julia Garner's Silver Surfer, Pedro Pascal's Reed Richards, etc. And there would be a new Tony, Steve, T'Challa, Natasha in their rightful places
I love your points. I'm also thinking another Tony Stark from the multiverse? Anyways, what would bother me more is that Disney ruin RDJ's career. Disney has been putting so much crap I would simply do as Jenna Ortega and ignore Disney for my own professional good.
I hope he returns but has a say on the script, I dont want them to make him a sidekick, he is iron man. But if they do use him maybe he could be a villain from another universe would love to see a tony stark be a threat.
To be fair, Snarky, Marvel started ruining itself ahead of Infinity War and Endgame and Iron Man 3 for it's mishandling on the villains is a clear example of when this collapse of the MCU started. Trust me, we we're angry at the studios for turning thir backs on the Mandarin in the comics in favor of China and getting things out of the way while doing what the feel is best to match success of others like Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight movies.
IT SADDENS ME. Just for RDJ to see current Marvel and say this. He should have atleast in a minor way called them out for the garbage they've been making.
I bet he is the type of actor who doesn't watch his own movies and sure as heck isn't paying attention what is going on with Marvel after he was out either.
They already screwed the weight of any everything when they made the multiverse a common/easy thing. Bring a version of him back just before Deadpool destroys the multiverse. 616 is all that’s left. I can’t trust them to do a real Battle World story.
No don't tarnish his legacy 😢 I am not even a big MCU fan, but all respect to RDJ. His magnus opus. Disney can't distinguish poop from movies. A dead Disney will keep necromancing things believing they can recreate former glory, without a clue what is going on
They should give Captain Marvel another movie. Bring in really good writers. Have her go through a huge change. Allow her to grow as a character. Perhaps she should be pursued for her crimes of mass murder. Allow her character to be humbled and likable. She should experience loss and self-doubt Then rise from her fall. And right at the height of her turnaround, kill her off. Have Rogue drain her life-force out. It would be the greatest Captain Marvel movie of all. Her last actions redeems herself and inspire the new Avengers.
It will end up being a pastiche of itself. They need to rest for ten years and back some decent writers and directors who know what they're doing with a decent arc. They have such an amazing array of characters and it seems they don't know what to do with them anymore.
I wouldn’t mind if he appeared as a different Iron Man variant in Avengers: Secret Wars over him being revived or return for that considered Avengers movie Marvel Studios considered doing with the original 6 members as a way to revive the MCU
Ironman from 616 would make a awesome Villan to fight the new Avengers. Imagine seeing Ironman flying around looking for revenge for his friends lost due the Scarlett witch..Imagine the tech he built just to prepare for the multiverse threat on the other side.. This would be bone chilling bc it isnt the Ironman we know.. The Xmen & illuminati is searching for the Scarlett Witch anyways. So he would have his own team to back him up.
TBH, if he came back as a variant himself I wouldn't care as it's supposed to be a totally different version of himself.. Also as long as it's like a one time cameo or variant that would be cool
They should only bring him back for secret wars. If marvel can’t come up with fresh ideas and be good without having to depend on certain actors like RDJ then the franchise going to die eventually or revert back to superhero movies being trash like it was in the early 2000’s
I mean, yes, a 100% - but then again, Death is a revolving door in comics, and while I'd also fear for bringing his Tony Stark (or rather, an alternate version of him) back to the MCU destroying the legacy, we also have to think about what can be done to turn things around. Writing better stories is certainly desperately needed, but there's so much more missing from movies and series of this MCU "Dark Age" (I count WandaVision to the before-times here). Who are the heroes we should actually care about in the current phase? And what can they do to help us start to care about them? Where are the truly weak links and how do we get rid of them in a way that feels right, and replace them with worthy figures? Do heads need to roll at the top and new (or old) voices be brought (back) to the table(s)? With people losing interest in the whole enterprise, there certainly needs to be an acknowledgement of the problem first.
I am seeing this all over the place. RDJ is back to save the MCU! AFAIK, he was in talks to cameo as Riri Williams' mentor to save Ironheart. Be careful what you wish for.
The whole use of cameos and referencing better films as a way to press the audience nostalgia button is pretty lazy and it seems to be all Disney can do anymore. I would see it as both a cash grab and an act of desperation.
100%
“Desperate Cash grab” is all they can do without upsetting shareholders. Economics and art don’t mix well.
The executives at Disney will never understand where they are going wrong and nothing they try will ever fix these issues until they do.
Marvel and Disney know the solutions to their problem. It lies right in front of them. But they will consciously choose to ignore it.
That is so true. Totally impossible but yet here we are
They brought back David Tennant to ruin his legacy in Doctor Who. They brought back Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford to ruin their legacy Star Wars. They brought back Harrison Ford to ruin his legacy in Indiana Jones.
What could possibly go wrong with RDJ returning to Iron Man?
I had David Tennant in mind and just scrolled down the comments to make sure I wasn't repeating anything.
Exactly that, any attempt to bring a great character back is just for a bit of character assassination; I'd rather they left him dead. Sitting him down for a lecture about pronouns, his misogynistic, playboy streak in the beginning and any accusations of toxic masculinity by some purple haired they/them would be totally ignoring the redemption arc that saving the universe at the expense of his life affords a character.
I can't even go back and watch "old" new Who now. I look at Tennant and all I see is a sellout. I don't want to see that with RDJ too.
The difference is he is beloved by liberals. So they won’t do him dirty.
You said it: The MCU started with Iron Man and ended with Iron Man. Great decade of entertainment. Please Disney. Don't destroy that too.
Disney: you don’t matter
Disney: I am inevitable
they just did. at recent comic con.
I think that on some level, Iron Man actually WANTED to die, so he wouldn't have to see what was about to happen to the MCU. 😅
The fact is, if the MCU would just more closely adapt the classic storylines, they’d have *great* content for years. So many great individual character and team stories, so many characters that could become fan favorites.
If RDJ returns I wouldn't blame him. Even though I despise Disney and the ppl working there. If they offered me just a third of what they would pay RDJ, I'd take the 💰 and run like I stole it.
Man Marvel are trying to do everything in their power to undermine the Endgame finale🙄🙄
yeah, completely disrespectful if they decide to UN DO his entire arc, and by exstention the entire Infinity Saga as a whole.
Not true
Agreed@@samletsplaygames
Snarkyjay is so fine
@@michaelrivera8360 things like tone and arc matter. In fact, its one of the reasons why MCU is in such a state right now. The Mult verse is just plot armor an excuse to change more stuff that doesnt need to be, and un-doing Tony's sacrifice is just dumb and lazy to be blunt.
I bet that bench killed somebody.
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Man, this has been such a busy week for SnarkyJay.
It's been a good week
Good! The more I get to see her the better! 🤣
because she got a good business line 😃
You're right it's not actors. It's the writing that's killing the movies.
It's also actors. Many actors support and even influence writers' directions. On top of that, most actors will tell you how they take roles and stories they believe in. Writers, actors, directors, studios, and producers are all to blame.
@@dikeledimusi3871well it seems the actors never told the Russo bros what to do, maybe because they trust what the Russo doing
@@dikeledimusi3871actors must have healthy relationships with directors otherwise film won't work
It’s starts with the writing, but unless the actors make the story believable, it will end the same. Writers, actors, and director can make or break a movie.
Marvel and Disney know the solutions to their problem. It lies right in front of them. But they will consciously choose to ignore it.
Giving the means of movie production to the working class?
Shutting down forever and sparing us more terrible product?
Well for starters getting a set long term vision by establishing an overarching plot.
Have a clear picture in mind fr each and every new character that is introduced; u shld have a rough idea as to where u wanna take that character and whether that character features in this grand vision of theirs or not. If not, keep the character's story arc seperate from the rest of the continuity and self contained so that audiences can follow them separately.
Try not to appease certain groups and elements by lazily written dialogue pandering and overall storylines hellbent on proving a certain point.
I'm certain that Disney execs watch prominent CZcams critics and read the comments. They know what their audience thinks about their crappy products. It's incredible to see a business go against its own customers to the degree that they will pretend real criticism doesn't exist and even attack their own audience. Sadly, the reality is the extremely wealthy people at the top want diverse/gay/feminist/trans propaganda so that's what they'll keep producing. RDJs return would be like David Tennant's return in Doctor Who. It would just be a hook to get people in to watch some preachy garbage.
I wouldn't walk across the street for ANYTHING from Disney.
Hope RDJ is able to collect another huge salary from them since he's done a lot of high quality performances.
And the idea of this wretched company losing millions always makes me smile. They certainly deserve it.
Problem is majority of the people making the MCU movies now have no passion for the characters. You look at everyone who was in control of all the MCU films with Kevin Feigie. They had love for the characters now that passion is gone.
“Somehow Tony Stark/Iron Man has returned!!!” 🤣
KK takes over the Marvel writing room
I was just about to say this
Respectfully Miss Jay, there is NOTHING dorky about you. You're intelligent, witty and beautiful. I truly enjoy your videos. GOD bless you. Be blessed to be a blessing. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Do you not understand that you are commanding a vengeful god to change his perfect plan?
@@PROVOCATEURSKbro what chill
Nothing dorky?
I think you have a flawed definition of that word.
She's all those things you listed, *and* dorky, which just adds even more value to the package 😁
There is one reason I would support RDJ coming back.... to get paid $100m for his role up front in cash, and then the movie flops harder than madam web 🤣
Robert Downey Jr. got that "F you" money for playing Iron Man. He will only return to the MCU if they give him serious amounts of profit sharing.
He could have a flashback cameo or something but his story is ended amazingly
Even if RDJ did come back I don’t see myself getting hyped for it. I think I’ll pass.
The only way this MIGHT work is if he’s a Stark from a different reality. They could turn him into a villain like Steve Roger’s hydra storyline. But they’ll probably bring him back from the dead. F-Marvel.
Agree, a multi-verse Tony Stark would be interesting.
He's supposed to be in Secret Wars, Iron Heart, and there might be an Iron Man 4 but Tony will be an A. I.
I don’t want to see Tony as a villain, it’s the same opposite Reed Richards and others showing up for 5 mins just to get killed off….just no
Leave things alone
Iron Man should not be dead. If Downey wanted to walk, so be it, but no movie company should make that kind of a decision on legacy characters.
but... couldn't Tony Stark come back (being his toxic former-self) to literally put an end to woke/bridge/esg by being, get this, himself? He put an end to Thanos, next Capt Marvel AND the new Ms. Surfer. A three hour movie (or two parts) that shows the world that strong men can save the planet. He could be our Superman, minus the cape, and with all the sacrifice.
The era of the Superhero movie is over.
I think it’s ridiculous to think that the MCU can continue without utilizing its top tier characters like Iron Man or Steve Rodgers Captain America regardless of Endgame’s ending. These are comic book characters and no comic book character stays dead forever. What? Disney isn’t allowed to bring back a character that’s been in the pop culture landscape in some form another for the last 60 years? These are comic book characters and comic book stories. Stop taking this stuff so seriously. One of the major things killing the MCU right now besides bad writing and agenda driven story telling has been it’s move to less popular Z grade characters that lack charismatic stars like Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans. They killed Iron Man, killed T’Challa Black Panther, aged out Captain America, nerfed and destroyed classic Hulk, made Thor a punchline and foolishly thought crap like Captain Marvel and Shang Chi would suffice as suitable replacements. Going back to the well of classic marvel characters and storytelling is EXACTLY what the MCU needs. Again this ain’t Schindler’s List - Endgame was a comic book movie and a good one, but this reverence for that ending is just laughable to me. Enjoy this stuff for what it is.
“RDJ Returning To The MCU Would DESTROY It!" As if it hasn't already been destroyed beyond repair now for years. 😂
Disney killed off Black Panther T'Challa
Saw a what if situation where he allegedly survived the snap where he essentially lost his mind and became superior Ironman, would be a cool concept but them killing him off and then seeing where marvel is now not sure it’s a great idea
Makes perfect sense, see right before Iron Man died, there was a blue flash as he teleported into a clone made on exegol
Look, we all want the same thing; we want the MCU to be great again.
I thought at the time back in 2019 the MCU was likely to decline in quality because it had been unnaturally good and consistent for a decade. I mean, look at any long lasting series of films and they have ups and downs.
Their strategy was highly risky: we're gonna take our MCU, kill off two main beloved characters Tony & Natasha) and age off third (Cap) , increase the quality of production in films and TV and assume we can maintain quality and not hurt our brand. In the words of Iron Man - 'Not a great plan". They also had bad lick- the pandemic, the delay of getting out Gaurdians 3 that was supposed to start the new slate of films, and the death of Chadwick Boseman.
As its gone the movies have been a mixed bag of very good (Spidey3 & Gaurdains) to poor (Eternals ). Its the Disney Plus shows that have too often been unwatchable (Secret Invasion). But even here we also have gems like Moonknoght and Werewolf By Night.
Now that some MCU movies have tanked at the box-office Marvel seems to have gotten the message. They have slowed production- Echo was dropped in a way so people wouldn't make too much of it & Ironheart put on a shelf somewhere. They are reworking Daredevil til its something fans will like.
I think the real problem of the MCU 2021-2023 is even Feiige spread himself too thin and didn't closely supervise everything the way he used to. He let a bunch of his top creatives go (Joss Whedon, James Gunn & the Russo Brothers) and brought in folks who didn't quite know what they were doing. But this is fixable.
So, I would welcome back RDJ in a well-written Marvel movie. (I wouldn't get Joss Whedon to direct as he seems to have a Jeckyl & Hyde personality but I'd bring him back to write in a nan0-second). I agree we shouldn't cheapen straks death but imagine the following scenario: Evil Invincible Iron Man threatens to destroy our universe so another Tony Stark (played by Downey) from another universe is recruited to help save ours. .Only he LACKS CONFIDENCE! Hes insecure! Everyone is begging him to gain Iron Mans smarts and swagger gain.We see him grow in confidence as he watches the record of OUR Tony Stark (and maybe a pep talk from Pepper?) and he helps foil the Evil Iron Man in the end.
I think that could work.
The MCU died in 2019 with AVENGERS: ENDGAME. People need to get on that program instead of longing for something that will never come. The MCU had its time under the sun. A good eleven years. Now it's past time most say goodbye.
They eagle on the quarter has to scream first.
Kevin feige said they won't touch that iconic moment and would remain untouched so that they won't ruin it. hence there's a possibility that he might return as superior iron man in secret wars or any alternate version of iron man
Hope that clears the confusion ❤
And people never realize in the comics Ironman was an asshole no one liked him he kicked off every single team but now in mcu all of a sudden he's the shit......o well whatcha gnna do smh 🤦
Idc I want to see Tony Stark and Reed Richards as best friends in live action.
Hi Jay. Let's be honest, RDJ can't kill what's already dead😂😂😂
Once again Jay, you are totally correct! I am afraid that since they've opened the pandora's box of the multi-verse, I can see them bringing him back. From a verse where he didn't die would probably be the least problematic (from a purely 'How do we get away with this one?' perspective). Squeezing him into 'Secret Wars', would probably do it. Ugh, please just no!
The problem isn't ACTOR driven. It is the writing. And Bringing Cap Back or Tony won't fix it because they will just be given woke lines and a woke story. They are like a Virus!🤣🤣😂😂 Just give up and stop buying their poop on a stick.
LOL that looked like my dog. I freaked for a second. Another great video BTW.
I think Hugh Jackman wants this. I believe at some point he wants Iron Man, Wolverine, and Tobey Maguires' Spider-Man in the same movie.
Don't forget Eric Bana and Wesley Snipes.
@@RyanG0899 We need a shared universe of Marvel characters pre-MCU. Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider teaming up with Bana Hulk and Affleck Daredevil.
Bringing back Iron Man would just further confirm that whatever future they envisioned with him dead ain’t worth shit
Hell he could play another version of Tony Stark that is even better then his first 11 years in the MCU. Having more of RDJ is always great. So bring him back.
The original Ironman has a gritty, grounded feel that sets it apart from its contemporary kinda-silly, kinda-spandex superhero content. It's my favorite MCU movie. RDJ needs to hold onto that legacy and stay far, far away from Disney Marvel.
Would be a good payday for RDJ, though his return completely nullifies his "Endgame" heroic sacrifice. They can't let 'em stay desceased!
She literally says literally almost every other sentence 😂 but she’s literally gorgeous who cares 😅
Only if they were to bring back all of the originals with RDJ, but they should've never killed the character off.
If disney brings back iron man, i guess first of all they are in a desperate situation and they need money... 2, like you said they want us to live again the glorious days of the mcu but by doing that it wont add anything to his character...
I have theories in mind that could be potentially interesting but i don't know if disney will get him back:
1) Tony stark could have created another AI in secret with the technology to save his intellect, so the other marvel heroes discovers it and they could get some help from him for further threats
2) tony could come from another earth and maybe have a plan ahead and one step ahead plan in case anything goes wrong, it could be another version of him that already planned something in secret that the heroes doesn't know about...
3) tony could be brought back as an AI with the little guy from Iron man 3 which was at his funeral and grew older at the time, it could introduce iron lad as the next iron man and maybe have a role in armor wars along side rodhey who was replaced by a skrull in secret invasion so they could bring also knowledge for morgan his daughter
4) tony could be an evil version of iron man and doesn't come from earth but instead from another dimension and could potentially have evil plans on taking over the avengers and bring along with him the superior persona
5) tony could have been replaced been a skrull all along and doesn't know that his technology has been sold around the world and the real tony stark had a secret lab hidden and nowhere to be found whefe he could operate to destroy the company that stole his technology
6) tony stark could have found the way to travel through time and meet a younger version of himself and warn him about the future, also he could have met the f4 on the way and discover the technology to travel through dimensions as well and prevent any threats that could come from out of space and time
I do not see RDJ coming back as a resurrected living Tony. I could totally see him coming back as an AI like Jarvis for the Avengers or as a variant. Neither of those possibilities would take away from his sacrifice in Endgame. Gamora similarly came back, but it was established that this is not the same Gamora. No one complained about that.
They should have him be a variant. RDJ could definitely play Tony Stark differently enough to get away with that storyline
I took a shot every time Snarky said literally. Now my liver is shot.
Bringing back characters from death has been a staple for the entire comic book industry for its entire history so why would this be any different?
How can you destroy something that's already been utterly destroyed? The MCU has sucked since End Game and the roster of characters they have left are lacklustre to say the least.
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I’m open to the idea of the character returning, as long as he’s significantly different than before. Like a teen Tony adaptation, or superior iron man as the new villain for Secret Wars now that Kang is gone. But still just a one or two-off, not a permanent return.
If they keep the current writers. Bringing back beloved characters won't matter. Anyways, I hope RDJ gets a boat load of money.
I prefer to let Disney Marvel sulk in the fact they CAN NEVER DO IT AGAIN. They will never be able to capture the lighting in a bottle from the original films.
I would be ok with RDJ returning if it was a version of Stark from an alternate universe, preferably one where he's evil.
I've debated this with friends since Endgame, I think RDJ and Evans should stay gone. They were great but it would be so desperate to bring them back and nothing would ever matter again because you can just keep bringing people back.
If Disney cared about writing, I wouldn't mind an alternate universe Tony Stark played by Tom Cruise based in the 1980's. It be fun to give him a mullet too like in the old 80's animated series lol You could even have him time travel to the 1960's which is what the new fantastic 4 movie time line is going to be in. He be the one from the future in this case. It be more compelling to make his character super intense like tom cruise in real life , but to the point where it's funny to see him interact with other avengers because he comes off as a lunatic.
Excuse my spelling of Robert Downey Jr.’s name, Siri actually spelled it right the second time not the first time so I do apologize for that
Right now, I only count the two Spider-Man movies after Endgame as cannon! I am fine having Spider-Man reset and on his own as a good endpoint if nothing better comes out!
Bringing back legacy characters that gave their lives in the films will turn this franchise into Fast and Furious parodies.
Personally, I don't like how they MIGHT make Tony's sacrifice meaningless if they go that route.
But if they do flashbacks or maybe an Iron Man movie taking place before endgame where he lets say... Fights Titanium Man (another well known Iron Man Villain. Who had his own live action toy back in 2008 despite not appearing in that movie), which I would love.
Although I wholeheartedly understand your concern Snarks
Yes! Finally someone saying correct answer.
You know exactly what they would do to this character..they'd give him the Luke Skywalker from the sequels treatment
I think RDJ as Iron Man in battleworld with the original 6, the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spidey and Venom would be a good one off to finally end the MCU and then they can reboot and do whatever it is they want to do to finish slaughtering our once great franchise.
Disney probably paid him to say that to build some enthusiasm but of course Disney is so out of touch.
I heard a rumor about Chris Evans wanting to come back and play the human torch again for fun, though I think that’s a terrible idea. Apart of me thinks it might be cool, but the whole multiverse phase has basically killed all of the hype for the MCU. Bringing RDJ back as Iron-Man again is just plain wrong.
I don't want Robert Downey Jr. to return to the iron man role; it would literally invalidate everything that has come before. If Downey is willing to come back, it's just a money grab, which is sad. I don't want Disney's grubby, dirty, little hands, anywhere near these characters, or their arcs. They went out on top; let's leave it that way. I grew up with these books, and I don't feel that Disney is 'worthy' of telling their stories.
It’s like Arnold still in the terminator franchise lol. Let it go marvel
I concur
I'd love it if the old gang was back, but the modern writers at Disney would work overtime to screw it up. And probably because the fans want it.
If it were up to me, I would reboot everything, bye bye to lame Skrulls, Kree and Nick Fury, to Antonia Taskmaster, to Annete Bening's Mar-Vell, to Tenoch Huerta's Namor, to Julia Garner's Silver Surfer, Pedro Pascal's Reed Richards, etc. And there would be a new Tony, Steve, T'Challa, Natasha in their rightful places
I love your points. I'm also thinking another Tony Stark from the multiverse? Anyways, what would bother me more is that Disney ruin RDJ's career. Disney has been putting so much crap I would simply do as Jenna Ortega and ignore Disney for my own professional good.
I hope he returns but has a say on the script, I dont want them to make him a sidekick, he is iron man. But if they do use him maybe he could be a villain from another universe would love to see a tony stark be a threat.
To be fair, Snarky, Marvel started ruining itself ahead of Infinity War and Endgame and Iron Man 3 for it's mishandling on the villains is a clear example of when this collapse of the MCU started. Trust me, we we're angry at the studios for turning thir backs on the Mandarin in the comics in favor of China and getting things out of the way while doing what the feel is best to match success of others like Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight movies.
I wanna see what your view point is now after yesterdays announcement
IT SADDENS ME. Just for RDJ to see current Marvel and say this. He should have atleast in a minor way called them out for the garbage they've been making.
I bet he is the type of actor who doesn't watch his own movies and sure as heck isn't paying attention what is going on with Marvel after he was out either.
Please don't let this happen! Please! He had a great ending. No reason to change or bring him back. None.
RDJ as Dr.Doom is going to be dope as fu#%
I agree...although I would like to see Evans back as Cap :)
They already screwed the weight of any everything when they made the multiverse a common/easy thing.
Bring a version of him back just before Deadpool destroys the multiverse.
616 is all that’s left. I can’t trust them to do a real Battle World story.
There's no need...his Endgame send off was perfect... undoing it would be a waste of time and a slap in the face of what he sacrificed himself for
Disney does fine destroying Marvel and Star Wars all by themselves.
Bringing back heroes butchers them. Case in point: Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Indiana Jones.
No don't tarnish his legacy 😢 I am not even a big MCU fan, but all respect to RDJ. His magnus opus.
Disney can't distinguish poop from movies. A dead Disney will keep necromancing things believing they can recreate former glory, without a clue what is going on
It's a little late to destroy or save the MCU.
They should give Captain Marvel another movie. Bring in really good writers. Have her go through a huge change. Allow her to grow as a character. Perhaps she should be pursued for her crimes of mass murder. Allow her character to be humbled and likable. She should experience loss and self-doubt
Then rise from her fall. And right at the height of her turnaround, kill her off.
Have Rogue drain her life-force out. It would be the greatest Captain Marvel movie of all. Her last actions redeems herself and inspire the new Avengers.
It will end up being a pastiche of itself. They need to rest for ten years and back some decent writers and directors who know what they're doing with a decent arc. They have such an amazing array of characters and it seems they don't know what to do with them anymore.
So many timelines. Even Logan came back because of the time difference with Deadpool. Now that is going to be amazing
I wouldn’t mind if he appeared as a different Iron Man variant in Avengers: Secret Wars over him being revived or return for that considered Avengers movie Marvel Studios considered doing with the original 6 members as a way to revive the MCU
Ironman from 616 would make a awesome Villan to fight the new Avengers. Imagine seeing Ironman flying around looking for revenge for his friends lost due the Scarlett witch..Imagine the tech he built just to prepare for the multiverse threat on the other side.. This would be bone chilling bc it isnt the Ironman we know.. The Xmen & illuminati is searching for the Scarlett Witch anyways. So he would have his own team to back him up.
I wish we could hear your reviews uncensored.
TBH, if he came back as a variant himself I wouldn't care as it's supposed to be a totally different version of himself..
Also as long as it's like a one time cameo or variant that would be cool
The MCU needs to just accept defeat.
I think they should pivot and try other things. Their run was solid and nobody can take that away from them.
Bring him back at 3X his normal paycheck and drive a nail into the MCU for good.
Not even Iron Man can save Disney from themselves.
They should only bring him back for secret wars. If marvel can’t come up with fresh ideas and be good without having to depend on certain actors like RDJ then the franchise going to die eventually or revert back to superhero movies being trash like it was in the early 2000’s
I mean, yes, a 100% - but then again, Death is a revolving door in comics, and while I'd also fear for bringing his Tony Stark (or rather, an alternate version of him) back to the MCU destroying the legacy, we also have to think about what can be done to turn things around. Writing better stories is certainly desperately needed, but there's so much more missing from movies and series of this MCU "Dark Age" (I count WandaVision to the before-times here). Who are the heroes we should actually care about in the current phase? And what can they do to help us start to care about them? Where are the truly weak links and how do we get rid of them in a way that feels right, and replace them with worthy figures? Do heads need to roll at the top and new (or old) voices be brought (back) to the table(s)? With people losing interest in the whole enterprise, there certainly needs to be an acknowledgement of the problem first.
I am seeing this all over the place. RDJ is back to save the MCU! AFAIK, he was in talks to cameo as Riri Williams' mentor to save Ironheart. Be careful what you wish for.
Well said, as always.
Disney is probably going to have Iron Man get shot on a park bench. That's my prediction.