What Causes Lower Back Pain for Cyclists (& the solutions)

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  • čas přidán 10. 05. 2021
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    What causes lower back pain for cyclists? In this video expert bike fitter - Neill Stanbury - will share what causes cycling lower back pain while providing an overview of the touch points on the bike that can be improved to support any pain you may be experiencing while cycling.
    #cycling #back #pain

Komentáře • 110

  • @edsassler
    @edsassler Před 3 lety +31

    This bike fitting series is the best thing on the Internet. I work with a lot of clients who have had hip or knee replacements, range of motion at the top of the pedal stroke is a major concern when it comes to lower back pain. As a fitter, one thing that frustrates me to no end is how the bike industry offers one Q-factor for everybody. Every Ultegra crank has the same Q-factor, same with every Look pedal. Yeh, Speedplay offers more lateral adjustment and different spindle lengths, but so few bike fitters have studied FAI, so nobody stocks them.

  • @patrickparisienne1917
    @patrickparisienne1917 Před 3 lety +6

    You guys are killing it! Awesome content!

  • @Lemond75
    @Lemond75 Před 3 lety +1

    Another excellent video gents - Neill’s bike fitting videos are the best thing on CZcams 👍👍👍

  • @trabink2
    @trabink2 Před 3 lety +1

    Thx for sharing your wisdom!!! This channel should have a lot more viewers!!!

  • @frankmallard845
    @frankmallard845 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for that, you mentioned a few points that are things I do, now I know I'll try and be more conscious of my form

  • @breach_x2178
    @breach_x2178 Před 3 lety +1

    Really appreciate all the great content! Keep it going 😊

  • @harshaann775
    @harshaann775 Před 2 lety +13

    It has only been 2 days since I started cycling and I cant even do 30 minutes straight because of this sharp stabbing back pain only on one side and it goes away when I get off the cycle. I'm so glad I found an explanation! This video helps a lot! Thank you! Might need to tilt the seat a bit to help with fixing my posture too.

  • @faisal0280
    @faisal0280 Před 3 lety +5

    Thank you- Used some pedal washers to resolve my back pain. Couldn’t ride more than 2 hrs and suffered for almost a year. Already had footbeds and cleats all the way back so it was a process of elimination.

  • @amazinglo1
    @amazinglo1 Před 2 měsíci

    great content. Thanks for the info...will try some of your ideas out.

  • @stevedeblaere3500
    @stevedeblaere3500 Před 3 lety +2

    Once more the importance of a propper bikefit !! Cheers for the interesting topics !!

  • @davidparker8475
    @davidparker8475 Před 3 měsíci +1

    By far my favorite online bike fitter!

  • @yusufning8402
    @yusufning8402 Před rokem

    Wow this actually explains it all. I have dominant right leg but its shorter. And I always have pain in the back of my right leg and left lower back.

  • @gavinbutler1109
    @gavinbutler1109 Před 3 lety +18

    Another great video and awesome content from Neil.

  • @danial_amini
    @danial_amini Před 10 měsíci +1

    wow Neil really knows his stuff! I put my seat too high so this is a good reminder for me to lower it, the bottom of the stroke is I think a bit too low so I will be rocking side to side to accomodate for that. But also I don't have a strong core so that's also contributing to my lower back pain.

  • @batuhanaksu7787
    @batuhanaksu7787 Před 21 dnem

    This video really helps me! Thank you so much

  • @Zeppec
    @Zeppec Před rokem +1

    Tilting the seat helped me, thanks a lot man

  • @bobbypinto91
    @bobbypinto91 Před 3 lety +86

    Would love to see Neil go through a core strengthening routine aimed at cycling!

  • @Stooch
    @Stooch Před 2 lety +1

    so good to know,
    just got back from a ride rocking back and forth, i do it when i'm tired

  • @jackheberton
    @jackheberton Před měsícem

    I've been adjusting my handle bar and seat position with no relief, as this is what most people suggest. Even going through an expensive bike fitting didn't help. I've never heard the Q-factor being a cause of back pain, but I looked at my cleats and they were set to the minimum Q-factor (which was actually set by the fitter). I moved them out and immediately could feel that my back is much more relaxed when riding. Thank you so much for this solution!

  • @MrYetibaby
    @MrYetibaby Před 3 lety

    Awsome as always , hands down to both of yaa

  • @markwilliams-fb8nh
    @markwilliams-fb8nh Před 3 lety +7

    I’ve watched all his videos with Neil featured . I feel like I should send him money for having Neil explaining bike fit information. I’ve tried everything thing he has recommended and it has helped tremendously.

  • @SimonCarlin-jq2gq
    @SimonCarlin-jq2gq Před 7 měsíci

    Very informative, thank you

  • @scottwelfare7311
    @scottwelfare7311 Před 3 lety +8

    Good video and interesting comments from Neil as always.
    He mentioned moving both your saddle height down and your cleats further back, is something i did a while ago. Did gradual small changes over a period of time. I found it had a positive effect and did make a difference.
    But something i've been doing for a long time also, is stretching my hamstrings as well. This for me has had a positive effect on eliminating lower back discomfort too.

    • @tgoods5049
      @tgoods5049 Před rokem

      Your PE teacher would be proud

  • @mehmd1913
    @mehmd1913 Před 3 lety +2

    My problem is what you described in the first minute. I have either QL or Glute issue. I have shimmed my left leg due to right LBP. It helped but then my knee hurt just a little bit as though i was too shimmed. Only 2-3 mm. I took out 2 mm. Will see how this works...

  • @100sky3
    @100sky3 Před 2 lety

    This is brilliant! Thanks.

  • @roymendez6615
    @roymendez6615 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for confirming my bike fitter solution to my chopping pedal stroke while climbing 👍

  • @andyjack37
    @andyjack37 Před 2 lety +1

    Loved all of these videos with Neill; very informative. My lower back pain seems to be in reverse. When riding there is no pain but when finished, not long after, then there is back pain

    • @roadcyclingacademy6476
      @roadcyclingacademy6476  Před 2 lety

      Hey Andrew, thanks for the comment.
      Having back pain after cycling can definitely be triggered from the exercise you are doing previously. Making sure your bike is setup correctly for you would be a great start as this will limit and triggers your body puts in place to stop it from hurting itself!
      -RCA Team

    • @andyjack37
      @andyjack37 Před 2 lety

      @@roadcyclingacademy6476 Thanks for the tips.
      Haven't had a bike fit yet. New to road cycling, always been a mountain biker. Only used the road bike on a smart trainer with Zwift so far. I want to upgrade my shoes and get cleats before I pay out for a bike fit.
      In the mean time, I've been experimenting with my riding position; saddle fore/aft, handlebar height, and it feels more comfortable if not perfect. Also been keeping a mental note of the way I am sitting when working or relaxing, or certain weight exercises that may be triggering the pain.

  • @sergy5337
    @sergy5337 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Exceptionally useful ... but overwhelming. So, many possible causes - hard to find major contributing ones without pro-help!

  • @indonesiaukulele
    @indonesiaukulele Před rokem +2

    My SI joint jammed for a year and I've been doing Postural Restoration Institute drills. Hopefully this will solve your asymmetry issues as well.

  • @rahulkota1
    @rahulkota1 Před rokem

    Brilliant one :) thanks a lot

  • @johngilman1500
    @johngilman1500 Před 2 lety +2

    Hi Neil, I struggled with lower back pain for the last several years when riding at high outputs mainly due do the a severely compressed/herniated disc at L5S1. I watched this video and your review of of the SQLab saddle. I went with both the SQLab 512 XL pedal and the 612 saddle and my pain is essentially gone. I’m 6’6”, size 49 shoe, btw, and ride a Specialized Roubaix. Both changes are contributed to increased comfort. Since I did them both at the same time, hard to tell which contributed more. Anyway thanks for the insights, I’m a big fan.

    • @roadcyclingacademy6476
      @roadcyclingacademy6476  Před 2 lety

      We're glad you got more comfortable on the bike from learning from us!
      -RCA Team

    • @drucejnr
      @drucejnr Před 10 měsíci

      This gives me confidence! I’m 29 (6’0, 72kg) and herniated L4L5S1 and severely compressed L5 and visit an osteopath frequently but lately have been getting lingering lower back pain after high output efforts. Gonna drop the saddle a few mm’s

  • @aragaomrcl
    @aragaomrcl Před 2 lety

    Hi Neill, really nice video and info. One question, is it possible that low back pain is being caused by excessive saddle tilt? I am using a -3degre nose down angle. Tks in advance.

  • @RiffRaff707
    @RiffRaff707 Před 3 lety +3

    Great video, finding a saddle that suits also is key. Fizik bull rotates your pelvis due to poor flexibility. I had a serious back injury 36 years ago and that saddle saved me. Massive game changer.

    • @edsassler
      @edsassler Před 3 lety

      Not many people get that. Most saddles (and their marketing) are based on sit bone location, assuming good flexibility starting at L4/L5. Those who lack that never get their sit bones to the back of the saddle, they use the surface area on the sides of the saddle to locate themselves. Good to hear that you figured it out and are still on the bike!

  • @RPOLIVNICK
    @RPOLIVNICK Před 2 měsíci

    Great information 👌🏻

  • @cd2844
    @cd2844 Před 2 lety

    Great video thanks.

  • @Carlitoboyhey
    @Carlitoboyhey Před 3 lety

    Nice. A new started and academic bile channel. Subbed

  • @juliacoenen4564
    @juliacoenen4564 Před 3 lety

    Thanks so much for the great content!!

  • @jonathancornwall2746
    @jonathancornwall2746 Před rokem

    Theoretically interesting however a lack of applied anatomical knowledge limits validity in some areas (as an example, QL is not a spinal stabliser; the CSA is minimal and it has little force generating moment on the lumbar spine). A good point to start though, and some nice practical tips.

  • @cyclingjoey
    @cyclingjoey Před 6 měsíci

    Hello , I have been riding for years in the same position and have made no changes to Bicycle Tom but now I’m riding more miles and I started having lower back pain

  • @darrenyyy
    @darrenyyy Před rokem

    thanks for this video - will a wider seat like 155mm help to minimize the pelvic rocking?

  • @branm5459
    @branm5459 Před rokem

    I biked/walked around my campus a lot, and I never thought that my bike seat positioning could be the cause.
    First I thought it was my backpack, but it seems like a combination of both

  • @diogofernandes9048
    @diogofernandes9048 Před 2 lety +1

    This series is amazing! Thanks for sharing all your knowledge Neil!
    I have a question:
    Can low cadence (due to low gearing) impact on this? I suffer from back pain when climbing, but i feel it's because I'm doing it on 36(front) 28 (back) and sometimes 60rpm cadence or even low, for long periods (but for me, 10min are enough to start suffering)
    Can this be related?
    Thanks!
    Regards from Portugal!

    • @roadcyclingacademy6476
      @roadcyclingacademy6476  Před 2 lety +3

      Hey Diogo, definitely lower cadence will cause more muscular fatigue, including the lower back. But over time this should minimise with conditioning. So if you experience the issue longer term I would say it’s a fit related problem. Cam

    • @diogofernandes9048
      @diogofernandes9048 Před 2 lety

      @@roadcyclingacademy6476 thank you for the response! 👌👏

  • @Lemond75
    @Lemond75 Před 3 lety

    Neill, can I ask a back related question? I’ve just had a bike fit, which showed that my pelvis doesn’t rotate forwards more than 10-15 degrees from vertical, despite having good hamstring flexibility (I’m able to raise my leg to 80 degrees when lying on my back), and use SQ Lab and SMP saddles on my bikes. I’ve been switched to a more curved saddle to support this more upright pelvic position, but recognise that it’s not an ideal posture for my spine. In your experience, are there reasons why this might be, and can you recommend anything I can do, our any muscles I can target which will enable me to rotate my pelvis further forwards please? Thanks

  • @io8787
    @io8787 Před 3 lety

    what about hamstring fatigue?! Neil mentioned this in the beginning of the video as co-dependent to lower back pain, but would like to know what's his take on the subject....seat too low?!

  • @brandonbugtai8346
    @brandonbugtai8346 Před 2 lety +2

    Im a licensed physio from the philippines and im trying to study up about bike fitting to make it a sideline job, any good sources for discussions like this where kinematics and theory is really used rather than just random rules of thumb? Great vid btw, learned alot

  • @mauricewal
    @mauricewal Před 2 lety

    Thanks for this video.
    I have lots of lower backpain when mountainbiking. I really noticed a wobble in my hip when riding probably caused by my thud buster (seat suspension) so maybe I have to get rid of it.
    But in the end you mention a hip impingement. I recently been diagnosed with a fairy large labrum tear. And although it won't hurt when riding a bike it can cause stability issues.
    Now I am really working on my core but what are the best options when riding with an impingement?

    • @roadcyclingacademy6476
      @roadcyclingacademy6476  Před 2 lety +1

      Hey Maurice,
      I would look into some of the other bike fitting videos we have done as you will get some great tips from them. Especially the saddle setback and crank length videos as these are two of the best changes you can make for hip impingement.
      -RCA Team

  • @onehourmusicbc
    @onehourmusicbc Před rokem

    Now I can assume my seatpost is too high and will look forward to adjust it in the next ride. I mainly experience lower back pain on ascents, and prefer using higher cadence, I guess seat height is the reason eh?

  • @crailwah
    @crailwah Před 3 lety

    Good stuff

  • @robertmcfadyen9156
    @robertmcfadyen9156 Před 12 dny

    I only get back pain (upper) sitting at my dining room table for long periods .

  • @bos621
    @bos621 Před 3 lety

    Hello, I have LBP (more like fatigue feel rather than sharp pain feel) when i stand and dance. And that carries into when i sit on the saddle after that. What is the problem and how do i fix it? Thank you!

  • @madaboutgolfs
    @madaboutgolfs Před 2 lety

    Hi so if I get right sided pain in my lower back it may be a case that it's my left leg causing the issue. I have spaced out my right cleat by 3mm with no improvement. Am I doing it to the wrong shoe?

  • @smefour
    @smefour Před rokem +1

    This might heresy for most roadies, but wouldn't a flat pedal alleviate most of this because you naturally adjust on a flat pedal for comfort in real time

  • @gsx6757
    @gsx6757 Před 8 měsíci

    Any ideas for back pain that comes on a few hours after a long ride and stays bad for a good week or so? No pain whilst riding, but more a few hours after?

  • @mirceaandreighinea
    @mirceaandreighinea Před 3 lety

    7:41 - any any idea about disc bulging-herniation problem?
    i have that, right now, and i wonder if i'll ever get back to cycling... i really hope so, since cycling makes me profoundly happy...
    (last year i managed my personal bests, 15500 kms & 31.2 kph over 200 k solo)
    best regards,
    Mircea

    • @stephenroberts1369
      @stephenroberts1369 Před 3 lety +1

      Mircea
      I had a l4l5 bugling disc that was operated on after 3 months of sciatic pain on left side. Really bad pain. Off the bike for 120 days in total. Get an mri and a good back surgeon on the job. Mine was big 9mm bugle. It was never going to go away. Good luck

  • @spruceguitar
    @spruceguitar Před rokem

    In my case the cause of pain is clear:
    I only have a bike stand for the back wheel.
    So when I use it as stationary the front is not firm enough like a real stationary bike is.
    1. I do not have back pain with a real metal stationary bike
    2. I do not want to have to buy an additional stationary bike because of lack of front bike stand to immobilize it completely.
    3. Any solutions to this? …

  • @Kelso66
    @Kelso66 Před 3 lety

    I have the issue that my left knee turns inwards at the top of the stroke because my pelvis is rotated to the front a bit on the left side. Should I try to move the left cleat more backwards? But wouldn't that increase the reach for my left leg? Or move the left cleat to the inside of the shoe to get a slightly wider stance on that side?

  • @zacharypeattie
    @zacharypeattie Před 3 lety +4

    Old school video! Look at that winspace lol

  • @BlackTigerSVK
    @BlackTigerSVK Před 2 lety

    So,...theoretically, if my lower back is hurting AND I also get numb toes, is it more probable that the cause is in the cleat position?

  • @themasculinismmovement
    @themasculinismmovement Před 10 měsíci

    What if you have all of them? Should you just stop riding?

  • @natonato8036
    @natonato8036 Před 2 lety

    Did he say core strength is rubbish 🗑 😐I felt this

  • @darinsteele7091
    @darinsteele7091 Před 3 lety +1

    I need help. If I do a hard effort on Zwift I get no back pain, if I do the same hard effort outside I get low back pain for that day and usually into the next day. After an hours ride outside I always get lower back pain. I do know my core is very week also...
    I also rock a bit when I walk...been like this for a long time. And also feels like I have a hip-drop.
    If being on the trainer is fine, but outside is not...what is going on???

    • @ShadowzKiller
      @ShadowzKiller Před 3 lety

      Maybe the tilt of the saddle is different when inside on the trainer than outside. If you get dehydrated, you can also get back pain, which is harder to realize when riding a long time outside. I learned this while cycling in the summers in Japan. Had to drink pure salt water to stay hydrated.

    • @darinsteele7091
      @darinsteele7091 Před 3 lety

      @@ShadowzKiller Tilt seems to be ok though outside I'm not slipping on the saddle. I think it's bad core strength to keep my spine stable, I can barely do a side bridge on the floor, core is very week. So when doing hard efforts my muscles get too tired to stabilise my spine :(

    • @JDPhader
      @JDPhader Před 3 lety

      @@darinsteele7091 I have a similar problem. Really hard efforts on trainer are fine, but outside I get back pain. No back pain on long sustained rides though. Sometimes the pain persists for longer and sometimes after I ease off, there is not pain after a few minutes anymore. I don't have such weak core though, even though it's certainly not the strongest. I can hold plant for 90 seconds or more (haven't tried what my limit is).

  • @johnstonewall917
    @johnstonewall917 Před 3 lety

    Front wheel drive recumbents are vitually painless.

  • @peterparahuz7094
    @peterparahuz7094 Před 3 lety

    I get lower back pain all the time when riding. I suspect that the cause is the position of my pelvis on the saddle. I typically end up rotating it backward, as rotating it forward causes the seat to dig into the 'sensitive soft tissues'. With the pelvis rotated back, I'm sitting more comfortably, however, this causes an increased bend in the spine in order to still reach the handlebars. And in consequence, the discs are under additional pressure, as well as the erector spinae muscles are working harder, leading to fatigue. After about an hour or riding, I have to periodically stand in the pedals and push my hips forward, to sort of bend the spine in the opposite direction. Or better yet, stop for a minute to straighten out. (My neck and upper traps typically also feel strained, so stopping helps with that also). I have a stock specialized saddle, which does have that grove down the middle. But perhaps its too small. Maybe a different seat will allow me to rotate my pelvis forward and keep my back straighter. Of course, it could also be the issues mentioned here, so I'll have to check for those. Thanks for your informative videos.

    • @roadcyclingacademy6476
      @roadcyclingacademy6476  Před 3 lety

      Good thinking Peter and you're on the right track. If you're getting perineum pressure with anterior pelvic rotation, the central nervous system will posteriorly rotate your pelvis to save your gentleman's region from trouble. The muscular cost of this is borne by the spinal extensors in part. Switching to a saddle which allows better anterior rotation will most likely help. Bear in mind you may need to drop the bars and extend the reach if the seat helps a lot as your torso will effectively be a lot longer once the change is made! - Neill

  • @Dawnofthedead001
    @Dawnofthedead001 Před 2 lety

    Just about everything then.

  • @leebridgwater
    @leebridgwater Před 3 lety

    The dreaded L5

  • @Nige.
    @Nige. Před rokem

    Normally its hamstring flexibility

  • @fararrarara6769
    @fararrarara6769 Před 2 lety

    on -off saddle in a climb get rid of this problem

  • @tblakemusic
    @tblakemusic Před 9 měsíci

    I think rubbish core strength is the one for me... 😅

  • @lubabalobongweni2337
    @lubabalobongweni2337 Před 3 lety +3

    "their core strength is rubbish.." hayi Neil.

  • @srboor
    @srboor Před rokem

    What accent is this? I dont understand certain words.

  • @robertwaldron5762
    @robertwaldron5762 Před 2 lety +1

    With me I think that it's older age lol

  • @vr4966
    @vr4966 Před rokem

    To much hip flexion

  • @kennano2732
    @kennano2732 Před rokem

    My core strength is rubbish, end of story 😂

  • @rohan.1504
    @rohan.1504 Před 10 měsíci

    I find the whole concept of leaning so forward extremely stupid! Watching in movies, professional competitions, etc. I always wondered how they can maintain the same posture without any pain in their back! I would get pain in my back just by looking at them LMFAO!!

  • @anthonyrebock5351
    @anthonyrebock5351 Před 2 lety

    That's A guede question.....because they got rubbish Rubbish RUBBISH Mate!

  • @falluj
    @falluj Před rokem

    You speak too fast its hard to follow the lecture. Slow down

  • @adellng4169
    @adellng4169 Před 3 lety

    God.. switch on the air conditioning... he is sweating...

  • @sudo936
    @sudo936 Před 10 měsíci

    that bike looks too small for him

  • @tonypowers123
    @tonypowers123 Před rokem

    Let me help you Mr Pro!
    Why do you always go beating around the bush, and don’t just nail it straight on the head !? WTF is this ?
    Back pain-is 99.99% caused by the seat being too high!
    Everything else could be contributing, but, is that 0.1%
    So annoying when you get “experts” like a F doctor, that either has no idea where the problem is coming from, or they do know, but won’t tell you straight up-God forbid they’ll be wrong.