MASKED WOLF PLAYS MAGIC: THE GATHERING - cEDH GAMEPLAY
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2024
- This week we're joined by Masked Wolf to play some cEDH!
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Thanks for having me.. was amazing to be on and I truly love MTG.. please don't kill my ouphe and stop my null rod next time.. thanks :)
Can you explain to me why you included a combo in ellivere ? I was part of the discord in the first days and the main idea seemed to be "GO FACE" as combo pieces were rather dead draws otherwise. It may have changed but I'm quite surprised.
(Disclaimer : I haven't watched the video yet :D )
@@thedoctor1471 my fault on that i don't run a combo in my specific ellivere deck.. i just run pure beats.. i changed aboue 4 - 6 cards.. hope that helps .. ellivere needs no combo :)
@@MaskedWolf I agree. And if one were to include a combo I gues Heliod ballista would make more sense as Heliod can trigger Kodama.
I'm also surprised you didn't play the new vampire or daunting dismantler or Kutzil.
Thanks for playing with us!! We'll keep that in mind
I do run kutzil.. as i said i went off the benevolant suppression decklist made some minor adjustments.. hope you like the vid!@@thedoctor1471
You’ve gotta think about the stack differently when winning with a combo like that cam. You wanted to preserve as many counters on francisco as possible and then respond to anything they do by removing a counter to start the combo over again. It happens a lot when playing kenrith depending on your win lines. You only get stopped by lots of interaction or split second
Those "4 card draw you are never gona get" its exactly the reason he didnt win right there.... if he had save them they needed 4 interaction pieces to stop him rather than 1.
This..
Couldn't you also clear the Dino with 4 pings? Since Francisco had 6 counters and still be able to combo? Combo would've failed if he had found something in the top 4 though
Since Cam was making treasures with Malcom as Nate was drawing, couldn't he have used the Bolas Citadel effect to sac his treasures for the 10 damage? He would have had 18 (31 going down to 13) and Collector Oophe was off the board. He could have done it after the Boseiju targeting the Cauldron and had the game right there if I'm not mistaken. This math is due to Nate going to 9 after casting Swords as his Raptor dealt that 4.
He had that option, but his better option would have been to just kill the Armasaur with Francisco Balista, attack with Malcolm to put another counter on Francisco Balista, and then combo.
He definetely could have
@@foddersfollies7494 or to keep the combo going while interaction is on the stack
@dasfabelwesen , I can't remember. Did Francisco have 5 or 6 counters to start? If it had 6, then he could have done it. If only 5, Cam would have needed another counter on Francisco; because all 5 points of damage from Francisco Balista would have been needed to target armasaur, so there wouldn't have been a way to trigger Francisco's explore ability.
@@foddersfollies7494it had 6 after the Agatha activation
WHAT?!?!? This is amazing!!! Thanks for another great episode. So many amazing people playing magic I never thought would have.
20:10 incredible work from Cam trying to pilot the new brew! One piece of second hand viewing tech: I believe the walking ballista effect can go after creatures so targeting the armasaur would limit draw to only five cards for Nate to draw interaction before you can activate with no repercussions, otherwise this was such a smooth piloting everything else looked slick
I love your guys' attitude towards mistakes and missed triggers and such, both during and after games. I mean, I know after games it's like what can you do about it now, but I know a lot of players tend to get hung up on that kind of stuff, and you guys seem to have a pretty good grasp on it just being a game, even when things get tense.
I also think it has to be crazy watching back the games and seeing lines/plays you could have made, especially with all the information you have after about how it turned out, sometimes there are just SO MANY moving parts 😂
This game was a ton of fun, I feel like Cam isn’t used to the Francisco deck and that’s why he feels it’s not good, but he still did a good job piloting it.
Like at 5:48, you only get one Francisco trigger (it says "one or more")
Would it have been possible for Cam to have targeted the Armosaur with the Francisco activations to kill it before Nate’s draws became relevant?
yes. also could’ve used bolas’s citadel to remove nate to stop the swords. but there was A LOT of things on board to keep track of, so it makes sense to miss these small things
Lots of miss plays from cam
Francisco combo seems pretty resilient then you have a few counters on it already. Cam should of ignored the dino draws, only way out for Nate at that point would be having 6 responses Bc Francisco can just shoot again on top of the swords starting the combo again.
Exactly what I was thinking and with a Rule of Law that is not possible (not enough channel cards even exist). It was a deterministic win I think.
@@ondrejbronec837 We did see a Boseiju, so theoretically it could of been done, but yee that too
That's what I was thinking. It's the same kind of thing in casual EDH with cards like Goblin Bombardment. A common misplay is sacking everything at once to deal damage, when you should do one at a time letting them resolve to force actions from your opponent that you can then respond to. Especially with a Rule of Law out. Cam had the game but didn't see it.
You still had a counter on the fransico just activate it again and it gets a counter and you still kill everyone. Like agathas soul cauldron is great you just punted, especially with rule of law they cant win because you just respond to the removal by activating again
i think cam could’ve won if he pointed the first 5 damage at runic armasaur and didn’t get those 5 counters back. he would’ve still had one counter and the combo intact and could’ve done it without letting any draws happen
Misplay: Cam's big commander combo turn Runic Armisaur, he resolved his commanders ballista activations before Runic triggers resolved ("you would take 5 damage before you draw any cards"), something impossible to do.
Optimal play would have been to shoot Runic Armisaur with the first 5 activations (letting Nate draw 5 and Runic dying), then running for the win and hoping for minimal removal.
Also, Francisco can't block so i don't think Cam could've chumped Wolf's attack
Just about to say that
So excited to see some Ellivere game play. Excellent pilot!
it is a little funny that the one thing Cam uses as an reason against the Pacho combo, happens to be the one time he gives the naya player access to necropotence xD
Cam had the win there if I'm not mistaken. Activate citadel in response to the Boseiju would kill Nate, effectively countering the channel ability before it resolved. Cam could then proceed to franciso Wolf death.
19:01 for reference
20:37 Very minor thing here but Francisco can't block.
When Nate reprieved the deadly rolick could Dylan have casted it on a creature that he was being attacked with to maybe survive?
He had too many creatures coming at him and the ring damage was also coming at his upkeep.
Why did cam not just kill the runic armosaur? Only would've let nate draw a few cards then go for the combo right? Or did I miss something?
I won’t get more counters on Francisco unless I damage players. Creatures don’t count
@PlaytoWinMTG you had 6 counters so use 5 to kill the armasaur then use the one left to ping a player and get another counter which allows you to use the soul cauldron? I feel like I'm missing something obvious here lol
lol no I probably missed that. If I had 6 then yes I could
question wouldn't the malcolm trigger here also resolve and create the same amount of treasure that you dealt damage, thus being able to activate the bolas citadel and deal 10 damage to the patlaza player and remove the boseiju from the stack?
Also could have shot the Dino first as well
@@auxillaryinput Shooting the dino first would've still drawn him 5 cards and bled out most of his counters, only get more from doing dmg to a player
Oh my goodness. I would've made soooooooo many more mistakes than you guys did in this game. So many stax pieces! So much to keep track of! Props to not doing anything game breaking. I feel for Cam. I probably would've drove head first into the Runic Armasaur too. The fact that he even pieced together a potential win under all of those stax pieces is something. Pretty easy to be too scared to go for it and then lose without ever having even pulled the trigger. Great game guys!
I don't see the Malcom/Fransico decklist. However, Cam coukd have cast the vampiric tutor off the top with Bolas' Citadel in response to the chain of vapor. If he had his mindbreak that would be good, but he could have pulled a counterspell to kill the swords, let the bolas' Citadel bounce and recast the cauldron and been in it a little?
Rule of Law was still on the battlefield when Chain was on the stack
Great game, loved that the guy from Australia introduced himself upside down :D
Hindsight 20/20 and all that, but I think going to combat first and trying to get Francisco a 6th counter would've been the best place to start, because then you could remove 5 counters to kill the Armasaur, leaving you two counters once you activate the Cauldron to start the chain with if you had to explore/citadel away a land. Either way, if someone has action during combat trying to remove Francisco the Cauldron and can be activated at any time.
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Could bolas citadel have been activated to sac 10 tapped treasures to kill nate and clear the swords off the stack?
It 100% could have as there was no way to really stop that interaction from going on the stack. It was a hectic turn, and most people tend to forget citadel even has that ability, so I see how he missed it in the moment.
the "begin" caught me off guard haha
21:31 he did pay 4 mana, you see one of the treasures go, alongside 2 lands and the delighted halfling :P
I wanna see rakdos pirates cedh deck with Francisco and Breeches. One time for the one time.
Finally Francisco/Malcom makes an appearance! ❤
I love that hoarding broodlord sawed in half casts both half of the combo 😀
Ngl that caught me off guard seeing Cam with a different backround
Good game!
I'm glad you guys had an Elf reference!
Why didn't Cam use the Walking Ballista ability to kill Runic Armosaur?
That initial upside down visual freaked me out
Let’s not forget that cam had enough counters on fansisco to kill the runic armasaur and combo off. Don’t forget that walking ballista is damage to any target……
Couldn’t cam have just killed the the armasaur since walking ballista can target creatures also?
Ranger-Captain of Eos, Angel’s grace cards works until end of turn and Borne will not be shutdown by Eos due to necro trigger on the stack during cleanup step when discarding and with that trigger on the stack it’s possible to win
Dylan had me at the Elf reference, "Francisco, that's fun to say. "
What I'm about to say will probably never matter but Isn't the Malcom trigger still only one trigger even if you damage multiple opponents. The way it was represented is as 2 triggers each making a treasure when I believe it would be one trigger making 2 treasures.
You're definitely right.
Was really glad to finally see Cedh Pantlaza tried out! Such a fun deck to watch
Absolutely incredible
The "begin" just being super upbeat this episode do be kinda wild
Kinda excited to Ellivere in a game. Was thinking about building the deck. Looks like a lot of fun playing stax peices and having your commander pay off for playing them.
I was not ready for that begin. Hahahaha
19:47 so.. you could have just killed the Ruinc Armorsour with your commander...
He would have drawn 5, and wouldn't have gotten the swords.
imagine force of willing an endurance when containment priest is in play lol
That Francisco deck looked hella fun
A normal unedited PtW begin was not on my list of expectations for the new year.
What a silly game.
I do enjoy the cEDH games that have all sorts of silly mistakes. Like, Cam could have tapped Citadel to sac ten treasures, I think? Maybe? Was that a line, or were artifacts still turned off?
Fun game, thanks for the upload.
I do feel like the only deck that may benefit from the soul cauldron is heliod ballista, cause if you can turn heliod into the ballista or any stax creature, it gives you a second chance at a win
Hey boys the deck list link is wrong
Fixed! Thanks!
Ngl I wish Masked Wolf played a deck that ran Underworld Breach and called it Mental Freeze
Had no idea masked wolf was australian(?). Neat.
This game´s Begin was so uncanny, too normal and polite
18:20 i'm pretty sure Walking Ballista's ability is "any target" also i would hope your running Triskellion as the "backup" as it literally has the same ability and because of what your doing you "can" make use of MonoSkelion for some extra redundancy. However, this is beside the point. You could had pointed the first five damage to the RUNIC ARMASAUR and that should had left you with a single counter to make use of to actually potentially win from, and Nate would not had been able to draw any cards.
I honestly think masked wolf could’ve played ellivere just a bit earlier. The card draw is such a big pull and he put too big of a target on his head with the Serra ascendant. Maybe should’ve gone for an esper sentinel instead; that way the role token coulve made his taxed draws always go through due to the high power. All in all he still played it really well, I think he was just a bit too meek in the early game.
Watching this early so that I can watch it again as it comes out for reals
Love the content guys! Finally a patron!!! Thanks for everything you guys put out
Hell yeah, thanks so much for your support!!!
@@PlaytoWinMTG genuinely, the least I could do- I've followed you guys since your first video, you're my favorite MTG channel on CZcams, I wish I could support more! So appreciative of all of the stuff you guys put out!
I am interested in knowing the names of the song featured in the video around 15:00 time. Sounds very similar to Andrew Hulshult so I was curious, love the video as always!
18:44 Francisco still has a counter, you should be able to activate it again.
That Masked Wolf is such a dreamboat
When cam was trying the walking ballista cauldron combo he could have just killed over top of any responses right because Francisco had 6 counters at the start of the combo so instead of responding to the armorsaur triggering let each one resolve and when when they respond to the explore trigger can could ping them again right?
Yep, also Rule of law was in play so 6 responses where litteraly imposible
Cam couldve activated Bolas's Citadel while Nate's interaction was on the stack, sacrificing the tapped treasures he was generating. This wouldve killed Nate, wouldn't it?
Couldn't he have also just in response to swords on the stack just pulled another counter off Francisco to utilize the walking ballista ability to ping him again. I am pretty sure he had an infinite loop there. I may be wrong though.
I noticed this too, its so easy to forget about Citadels second line of text but it would have been extremely relevant in this match.
I'm confused, doesn't francisco say, "Whenever one or more Pirates you control deal damage to a player, Francisco explores." Why does Cam explore twice when malcolm and francisco deal damage. I genuinely don't understand the rules here :) thanks! (e.g., at 7:22)
Because he was dealing damage to 2 players. If it says "whenever one or more creatures deal damage to a player", you can get one trigger per player being dealt damage by one or more creatures
Getting rid of ouphe seemed like such a tremendous grief ngl
(this isn't flaming the player btw)
Finally a game!
Nice game. Lots of stuff going on in this one. ❤❤❤
Would it have been better for cam to do the ballista pings one at a time, letting nate draw, then when nate does have interaction go on top of it with the extra activations? Rather than overstacking then doing them 1x1 until nate could interact?
How many explore trigger +1/+1 counters can you forget? Doesn't explore basically say that, if it's not a land... no matter if you bin it or top it, you get a +1/+1 counter...on every trigger
Can't bounce Root Maze and play Dockside because of Rule of Law :)
Ackchually... Ellivere gives Virtuous role to another traget creature😅
Ask a judge Q: i cast Dress Down in response to opponent's phantasmal image , do they get a copy of something or a 0/0? What if it was Sakashima ?
Phantasmal enters as a copy of a creature on the board. It's not technically a Phantasmal Image anymore except for the sac ability and has the power and toughness of the creature it copied.
@Tairi2k ty, some other rulings say Dress Down resolves, and the Clone's replacement effect will not apply , making it a 0/0 that dies
What do we think about Pantlaza vs Rocco? most of the lists I see look pretty similar.... is this to play around Oppo Agent and such?
Before I see the game I'm legally obligated to say PANTS
Why wouldn't the first five triggers hit the dinosaur so he had to draw interaction in the first five cards?
So what’s the pantlaza choice about? Is it like.. a food chain outlet? 🤔 (not that Pantlaza isn’t awesome, but doesn’t see cEDH from what I know of lol)
Im very new when it comes to cedh things. I was wondering if you guys actually own all the cards across all your cedh decks or do you own 1 copy of the expensive stables and switch it around from deck to deck depending on what you are playing or do you use proxies?
We own some cards and proxy others! Switching things back and fourth takes too much time
Francisco can’t block so cam shouldn’t be able to chump with both his commanders against the attacks after the turn of the failed Agatha combo
Do you guys have a “set up” explaining what you have to play virtually the way you guys do?
Do you guys do any type of deck tech ? Like if somebody sent you guys their list would you critique/comment on it ?
We offer written deck reviews on one of our tiers on patreon!
On the turn Cam tried to win, could he not have gone to combat, gotten two more +1/+1 counters on Francisco so he has 7 counters, then remove 5 to kill the Runic Armasaur, THEN machine gun everyone down?
Cam could kill the dinosaur instead of going for the face.
his cam wasn't upside down, it's because he's in Australia. lmao
Is necropotence so scary that the person that was behind the whole game got dunked out once it hit the board?
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Not necessarily, but he chose to draw 10 cards, which given how CEDH decks are constructed was very likely to put either a way to win the game, or a way to stop someone else from winning the game in his hand, and like he pointed out himself, there was a LOT of power on the board at that time. So it's less about necro being super scary (but it is, don't get it twisted) and more about in CEDH unless you have a reason not to, it's almost always a good idea to remove a player from the game, and Dylan drawing 10 basically announced to the table "hey, I might have a way back into this game" so the two players who had the means to make sure that he didn't use them.
I think this is one of the biggest differences in mindset between normal commander and CEDH games, in CEDH you have to assume that any player with 3+ cards can win the game with them, and that any cards in excess of that could be some form of interaction. (once again, not always, but it's kind of the mindset you need to be in, every SINGLE card in someone's hand can represent a way to win the game, a way to protect that win, or a way to stop YOUR win.) So yes. In a CEDH game, if you CAN kill the guy who just draw 10 cards. You usually do.
Great game but was bummed Pantlaza didn't actually do anything :(
I hate to always be that person, but I think Cam missed the line where he could’ve won the game, if he sacced a load of tapped treasures to bolas’ citadel in response to the swords it would’ve won him the game
Why didnt you spend few counters on francisco to kill the runic armasaur before going to kill table?
Why didn't Cam just ping the Runic Armasaur to death?
Koboldz Rule #TinyLeaders 🔥
I dont see sb mention it but after swords Cam could win even without of Agathas soul couldron. Could replay francisco atack with malcolm geting francisco explore again, and bc agathas exile walking ballista francisco still could use combo
You need agatha's soul cauldron in play to give your creatures the walking ballista ability.
why would cam not just pay 4 to put a counter in response with ballista's other ability?
Kill the Dino, use citadel, win 😅 also the Francisco can't block
Fuck yeah, more Aussie representation on the channel pls
Why couldn't he just have shot the Runic Armasaur with the Ballista activations then continue to face afterwards?
@cam : why not dismember on the runic armasaur?
You literally don't care about ranger captain. You play your agatha's soul cauldron, you exile ballista, they do or do not have an answer to the ability, then THEY DIE. I don't get it.
Since cam had 6 counters on Francisco, couldn’t he just use 5 of them to kill the Armasaur and then proceed to kill the table? Literally drew Nate into interaction lmao
Why did the city of traitors not get sac at the 5:58 mark?
Cam remembered and sac'd it a few seconds later
Why didn't cam just ping down the armasaur? Go for the win after that?
I guess you all know about rolling down in the deep.
Why did Cam not use fransico who had 6 counters, why not use 5 to kill Runic then kill the table?
With the Soul Cauldron can’t you just keep activating Birdy on top of the target? 👀
Mans missed infinite armasaur draws