20 Days Later - An Apology??
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- After 20 days, WG finally comes out with something...
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At around the 10:00 I was talking about China and forgot to put the image in with WG's statement: media.discordapp.net/attachments/387711927884709909/883118857076744262/unknown.png
Also pinning this comment because I know some people don't click video descriptions :P
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Aetam:
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Athotek101: czcams.com/users/AtotheK101
Malim0o: www.twitch.tv/malim0o
tomaslanger:
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Charede - czcams.com/users/charedegamingwww.twitch.tv/charede
I am about 26 minutes in, and the repetitive blame on bad communications is just plain BS. I call BS on that. Sure the pandemic makes travel much more risky and difficult. Sure they have many people speaking different languages from all over the world. First and foremost, if you are going to tell me that you can't have a meeting with people via internet hosting, you're an idiot WG. Second, I have found that as far as printed stuff goes, washing it (Russian) through Google Translate to English, back and forth to test if it keeps its meaning, is generally pretty accurate, and I know that WG has on-site and on-staff almost 30 native language speakers JUST FOR TRANSLATION. And yet you still blame translation as the problem. If international businesses such as banks and construction companies had this level of incompetence, they would fail, plain and simple. I believe the problem is not translation. Its that WG's ears are packed full of shit and their brains are turned off, because they are too busy screaming "PAY ME SOME RESPECT!!!" and "YOU GIVE ME MONEY!!!". WG you are just full of it. WG's mindset is the problem, plain and simple. Every issue they have as a game, the players give feedback on, and the CC's have always given great feedback on. WG just ignores it, in favor of spreadsheets and "data". Has no one in Russia/Belarus ever realized that any data set can be manipulated to show and prove anything you want? Hell, your people don't even play your own damn game publicly!! You have no idea how the game and ships actually play in the first place, beyond what you do on a protected server!! And different servers have different meta's, depending on the player base. People think and play differently on the different servers because their languages are different, which means how they think and process information is different.
Ok I am off topic. What I am saying is that almost every issue the players have with WG, WG blames on communication. Communication can be defined as the flow and EXCHANGE of ideas and information. The exchange part is critical because it describes the action behind communication. It expressly implies that information must flow in multiple directions, i.e. two-way communication between 2 people. WG is a business, and the purpose of a business is to make the owners money. Plain and simple. BUT, just because you are a business doe not mean I must pay you. I can choose where to spend my $$. And if, as a business, WG has poor communication, treats their customers poorly, or has a poor quality product, then exactly WHY should I pay for a shit product with crappy customer service and shit quality?? The answer is I WILL NOT. Just as WG does not exist to provide me with entertainment, "I" do not exist to provide them with a paycheck. They forgot that rule of business. I guess they missed that communication.......
EDIT: OK Victor, how is this for clear and respectful communication? GO FUCK YOURSELF. You guys are a fucking complete JOKE. You insist on DEMANDING respect, yet again, and yet you refuse to GIVE respect at all to anyone. Just because someone has something to say that you don't like or they are asking questions you don't want to answer, does not mean you should treat them like shit, ban them, silence or bully or intimidate them. So again: GO FUCK YOURSELF. If you want to take it up with me in person I will GLADLY send you my address. You can come see me directly for some one on one, in person direct communication. BYOBB.
Starting in 2016, all games in China must announce to the public the probability of obtaining paid random items in the game, including the success rate of equipment enhancement, gacha rate, lootbox drop, and so on. It is very irresponsible from the WG side for using "China" as an excuse not to announce the drop rate.
Disagree with their Ops assertions. They've not had enough content in the mode, nor mission and rewards support for the mode for it to be worth most players time. A prime example is only having the one Op on weekly rotation... Why would you queue for that when it's same thing over and over?
The thing is, I get it takes a lot of work to develop new Ops, but if they'd kept doing 1-2 a year since release, they'd have the variety of content needed to support the mode properly.
It's a simple matter of they've not devoted the resources necessary to properly support the mode, be it missions, campaigns, content.
Isn't it the law now for games with gambling elements to show drop percentages to players? Pretty sure almost every single gacha game does this now.
@@SoldierOfFate depends on the region and system they fall under, AFAIK ESRB is a voluntary rating, I THINK EUs version is similar, I know some countries in EU have laws, however in Australia where I am there's a government funded independent board that does it but they don't appear to be policing gamble boxes here yet
"Apology" is a strong word.
"Refuses to take blame" would be better.
I would say the recent push by the player-base to pay for NOTHING has prompted this. Let's keep it up.
@@EvoraGT430 How did valve managed to make a profit on SC:GO while only selling skins. WG is just ripping it's players off.
What i see they are saying, our profits/ wallets/player base tells us we messed up lol, we listen to your feed back/ or is it our negative cash flow??
This statement reads like a "bury them in detail" tactic, blended with shareholder reassurance. If the Product Director is breaking cover and trying to reassure shareholders in public...... their profit metrics must be already in distress.
The apology is gated with clauses throughout with most "promises" being made with get out of jail comments like "further work needs to be done", "this is not final" etc, so essentially it's a disguised statement that looks like they are saying we will do a lot, but in actuality nothing will change that effects their bottom line, this is just a damage control statement to try and calm the playerbase.
Also, "We always follow laws" is just a flat out lie, they have been caught out doing illegal things and have quickly offered refunds to avoid getting prosecuted in the past, they skirt very close to breaking the law which is why they make so much money, hence countries looking at gambling legislation being altered to cover online content to restrict their current methods of making money by exploiting young people.
They do 'follow every law'. They follow it right to the ragged edge, and if they cross it, then they hurry up and backtrack so they aren't punished. They also closely follow new laws so they know how much they can get away with. The laws are guidelines for them in how bad they can be without being punished, rather than IDK, having actual ethics.
After watching this video and Flamu's, my fundamental position is to continue to boycott in game and premium shop purchases.
This is just more words coming from Wee Gee. Although it appears this is now words coming from higher up in Wee Gee.
Don't let up, keep up the pressure.
I'm with you. They'll need to actually DO some 20-400 things they've "promised" in the past and they've promised here before I log back in.
Best boycott is to uninstall their games.
@@Pikilloification best boycott is to delete your account. But all these people don't want to do anything that will actually matter.
The only thing they care about is people _not playing._ If you're a F2P player they have the chance to frustrate you into purchases and you exist as a punching bag for prem players.
"We are sorry"
"Oh shit, sales figures dropped below expectations, shareholders will tear us a new one"
"We will give vague details and reasons so we don't actually have to change anything fundamental"
"Haha whales go brrrr anyway"
"We need more data"
"You don't understand the game like we do"
Yeah we know how much WG's words are worth by now. Not having any of it until I see actions. Noteworthy ones.
Well said.
I have one question: do whales really go "brrrr"? I thought they made more of a squirty milk sound.
Then I suggest you look elsewhere. WG's actions afaic are worth just as much as their actions now.
I wont like this comment coz 69
@@900xwb_ Nice~
The problem with this is it's all still words. The people at the top, who've overseen everything that has happened and the steady creep of the aggressive monetization are still going to be there. How can we as customers have any confidence that anything will change if it's the same people in charge?
My issue with the whole "We're a widely dispersed team across multiple countries" is that only becomes an issue when teams don't bother to communicate with each other. It takes effort and extra coordination but plenty of businesses manage to work across time zones and continents without major issue. What that line says to me is "We don't put the effort into making sure our teams coordinate".
At least now we know the identity of the person who's made the CV Rework the hill to metaphorically die on. Bardovsky has been (from my understanding) in charge of the "creative vision" of WOWS since 2017, which makes the CV Rework his sign off and that he (Again, my understanding anyway) controls all the metrics, direction and budget of the entire game which means he's either not been paying any attention to the product he is responsible for, or has actively pushed for CV's, gambling mechanics and the general toxicity to go in the direction they have.
I absolutely understand what you're saying. I too work in a big organisation with many, many layers, so I can see how being "in the weeds" possibly isn't this guys thing as he's more strategic and big picture from a business perspective. As such, there is a chance that the moderators etc at the "low" level are reporting things up, but as they have to go through SO many payers of people that their messages / shouts of alarm / shouts for help get filtered and / or diluted, so teh big bosses didn't get to hear it.
Until the results of the business performance (as opposed to the gameplay stats) came through. And no, I'm not defending anyone, just stating what can happen in big organisations.
I fail to accept that covid and lack of face-to-face interaction hinders comms. Hell, they are, essentially, a bloody tech company! I've been talking to folk from around the world in games for a number of years, so surely that's a set of tools that WG staff should be able (and willing as it saves money) to exploit.....
@@leeroberts163 500 people is not that big, the company i work for has over 800 people and communication is smooth. The problem with WG is that they dont care for the feedback given, the people communicating with players are simply used as a barrier.
@@leeroberts163 I once heard it put like this: when you’re a high level manager, you’re paid to be responsible for everything that goes on. I’m willing to bet he is not even remotely on minimum wage. If he’s not aware of what’s been happening, then that’s still on him.
it seems that 20 days later, the complaints/boycotts and number of players have hit them in the purse-strings, and its beginning to have an impact. But we cannot give up until we see ACTION instead of WORDS ...
only thing that will hit them will be a PEGI age change from 7 to 18 if it's shown they promote gambling to minors or more countries banning loot boxes.
@@paulbaker9687 i think that the investigations from us, eu and i think cyprus government for money laundring will hit the harder, lol
Well I can only uninstall once... Should we reinstall then uninstall just for kicks?
@@paulbaker9687 no. The vast majority of players of this game are adults.
....or the playerbase can vote with their wallets and/or the uninstall button. That's what I did and this was immediately after the CV rework.
As a Legends player, seeing the PC version doesn’t show drop rates is weird. The console version has had them for everything for the last two years.
Some of them involve a flowchart. They don’t want to show it because those flowcharts are not a good look.
On the console side it's made mandatory by both Sony and Microsoft that you have to disclose drop rates, but on PCs there's no one to make it mandatory.
@@treystroeder5506 lol you play a game based on the rewards in the crate? Legends is for noobs everyone knows that....literally a game for people in wheelchairs. And i know what im talking about as i have grinded alot of legends but never did i use a single dollar on that game, just not worth it...
@@InfiniteMind777
Oh wise and powerful one! Lend me the strength to one day rise out of the wheelchair I may yet have in the future, in hopes that I can elevate to the highest position in the land… WoW on PC! Oh how I’m trembling with excitement and awe at your badassness as you look down at all us console peasants! Please oh Great One, show us favor as we all yearn to be as great and powerful as you!!!
Pssh lol what a joke
Legends has better layout to pc version even though I'm a pc player imo maps better on left, but consoles can't run mods
Drop rates: "it'll take some time to publish" Warframe's got leaked and it was in the game the next patch.
Not a single cent from me for them ever again. I cut them off 1 year ago, permanently and it feels great. Also permanently, not a single minute for their service (!) anymore, and it feels even better.
I was there for the CV rework and there was a lot of valid feedback that was totally ignored. The GZ had lots of great ideas that were ignored to push through the bad concept that WG wanted. Every year WG got worse and worse with listening to any feedback. Problems were pointed out early in development and yet they were never resolved till it was pushed into the general game then they said they didn’t know about it and are going to fix it. They haven’t fixed anything and the core game is cracking. For me it ended with the Puerto Rico and although I miss taking my ships out, I refuse to support WG in any way.
I stoped playing shortly after the CV rework. I was a beta player and the game got worse over time and not better.
So I pulled the plug and stopped playing it. WG never listened to player feedback and never will…
For me it seems as WG only listened to feedback in the way of "gib biggah explosions" - these got more colorful over time.
Ah, and islands have trees now.
Wow.
Back in 2015 there were no trees on islands and guess what; the game was better and less ridiculous than now.
I got bored not long after the CV rework. I don't see myself coming back unless big changes are made in that area (similar spotting system to radar, manual AA)
What? You didn't know that World of Warplanes was the canary in the coalmine?
I hated WoWS back since they "fixed" the "firing outside of detection range" feature, and finally quit after the CV rework. I was going to reinstall WoWS and see how things are now, but after watching this video, all hope is lost lol.
... am not buying this, feel like smoke and mirror
I don't think it was just CC's leaving. It was also player stopping buying. I know i stopped buying Doubloons, ships, premium, ships crates.. I think if enough people did that WG will waiver, if not buckle.
Players where saying that for years. O.c. the whitish knights always came in and said "you not doing that anyway, so stop pretending".
But have you notice that sudden increase in advertisments e.g. in very very distant related YT channels (4x gaming, historical ships etc.)? That started over a year ago IIRC and really ramped up just before the CC walking already.
So that tells me that playes HAVE been keeping their wallets shut, while still playing the game now and then.
Irconically, that might have been the cause for all those desperate attempts to squeeze more money out of the player who are actually paying that we have seen in the last month - and those stupid attempts to get in new game modes/mechanics for new player types?!?!
Sorry wargaming, you lost me with the CV rework and changes to my buddy’s HMS Warspite
What did they do to the Warspite?
@@SuperCookiemonser nurf after nurf after nurf
It didn't need a nerf... It was a shit ship in the hands of the average player but with a pro BB main... Just wow. She is just very skill based, more than some others imo
I'll show respect to wargaming when they actually show it towards their player base. They have none, so I have none.
Still expecting us to be respectful when they don't even respect the CC's feedback.
Nope, not gonna go back to this publisher's game.
Shit, when I was in the Super Test program, if your feedback wasn't on the .ru forums, or later the .ru Google Survey form, you might a well have flushed your feedback down the drain.
There are TWO TIMES they listened to non .ru Feedback in ST, the Royal Navy CL line, and the USN Cruiser split... although they still ignored us about the Buffalo...
Yep, 20 days later, when they realised that the shit storm did impact their income.
And honestly it's not even apologies.
In all fairness, this level of reply wouldnt be able 20 days ago. It's well elaborated, and tries to address the issue.
But here's the problem. Good will. They've ran out of that ages ago, with the shenanigans they pulled time and time again, with the half assed excuses. The only reason that post exists is that the looked at their beloved metrics and saw that ignoring the issue was financially damaging them. So they said what they expect people wanted to hear, and put the timeframe long enough not to do anything today. For instance, loot box percentages (as iChase pointed out). They have zero reason not to come out with those numbers today. The only reason they do it in China is that their laws forces them to disclose the numbers (Blizzard has complied to that as well, and that's when the cat came out of the bag). The only plausible reason they arent releasing the numbers in EU\NA is that no law forces them to do the same... for now.
This is all smoke and mirrors. More promises that wont be kept, and "continue whaling for us" written all over it. It's at the point that walking away from the game is the better option. Their real plans for the future is the same they're doing today. Milk their costumers the most they can, issue fake apologies when caught being too greedy, and ignore any and all criticism regarding any issue of the game. That's Wargaming. You dont need to endure any of it. Just walk away.
did you really just say this reply wouldnt be available 20 days ago? do you realize that they have people who's job is to manage the game's communities? even assuming communication between their departments was ass and took a week at most this shit should have come out almost 2 weeks ago. A good company would have someone high on the totem pole addressing this shit 2-3 days at the latest with a formal letter. I could write this apology in 4 hours
A) this is not a real apology. B) this should have been attempted properly 20 days ago. C) we shouldn't expect anything to change as this is WG...
They didn’t meet their profit target, they apologized
not really. they "apologized" that we are pissed but are still openly saying that they are "in accordance with government laws" when it comes to their monetization so no they arent really sorry. screw this company
pretty sure they even changed their rating themselves so the Government wont slap them with a higher rating
@@BrowMoSai no they're hoping for Pegi-12 (currently 7) but people are filing complainty to make it Pegi-18+. WG doesn't get to choose their rating
It’s kind of like catching your partner cheating and they apologize. Usually, it’s not an apology for cheating, but for getting caught.
They should just make it where if you’ve put X dollars into the game, you get a certain status, own the game, and get free flags every day etc. no more is needed from you.
The time where you could actually "own" the copy of a game are long gone since publishers switched to the "game as a service" model. That switch by itself is however not the issue, since it effectively ensures that the developers continue to get an income and can thus continue to evolve the game. The counterpart to that would be to release a game and, since it won't produce any further income, develop a new one which they can sell on its own.
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Given the choice between an unfinished new game, a half-baked remake of a remake and a "game as a service" (which deserves to be called as such), I'd honestly choose the latter. The problem is however that a publisher's greed starts to kick in as soon as they hear "game as a service". Instead of only selling "premium time" (as in an increased experience/chash gain), they try to sell overpriced and overpowered items. By that they turn the "game as a service" idea into a perversion of what that description could mean.
@@steffenrumpel2784 So maybe we should go back to monthly "pay 2 play" at ... maybe $5, or $7,5 or %10 with monthly dubloons to get extras?
On the other hand, PoE seems to do fine with selling cosmetics and QoL stuff only, and STO still gives out that lifetime subscription for the price of 4 pixelships if its on sale.
So there are some alternatives ... which one is the smaller evil?
@@memyshelfandeye318 - I'd say the monthly subscription since otherwise there must always be people who buy that extra stuff. Because of that, publishers will always be tempted to buff the cosmetics they try to sell. -- On a side note: I doubt that there would be much reason to still have multiple coexisting in-game currencies (steel, dubloons, etc.) with proper monthly subscriptions.
@@steffenrumpel2784 exactly dude I take it you seen premuim ship prices? Htf can a pixel boat cost £60 this is the price of a AAA game talk about greed. These boats shouldn't cost more than £10 15 at most these ship prices are a joke a 7 year old can afford this?
Looks like lube but feels like sand!
Maybe it's time to unleash the ultimate weapon upon Wargaming..... Chinese Parents.
Looking at an apology should not make you think "how bad are you actually scamming us?"
I'm getting strong Blizzard vibes. It's almost like they're saying, "We've had a rough couple of weeks." I mean they could hire J Alan Brack as an armed and readied scapegoat for when they fail at all of this stuff. They've even copied their format of a tiny, "We're 'sorry'. We'll 'improve'." followed by a huge, "BUT LOOK AT THIS SHINY NEW STUFF WE MIGHT (not) GIVE YOU (the opportunity to buy [gamble for])!!!!"
But guess what no amount of apologies, doubloons, broken ships, and empty statements can buy? Respect. Respect is earned and when you have a collective respect as an entire company, every one of your employees are handicapped down to that level of respect. The one company who's lost both public trust and respect does not have the right to demand any thing any more. They have to earn that all back.
I don't know your entire content history, sorry I'm visiting again, but something that would really intrigue me would be a multi part series of the ships of Pearl Harbor. The Arizona is the most known of them all due to it being an active battleship and it taking so many sailors with her, but there were a lot of ships that were sunk that were also salvaged and fought in the war, and they weren't just BB's. There's also the USS Utah that a bunch of people don't know about that, just like it is geographically, is resting right next to the Arizona.
Utah is resting on the other side of the island from Arizona. By the time of Pearl Harbor, she was refitted into a target ship. If I remember correctly, she was a member of the Florida super-dreadnought class. She is a very unique ship with some incredible stories.
@Steeljaw XXI ... Drachinifel The Salvage of Pearl Harbor Pt 1 - The Smoke Clears
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You surely are able to find part 2 and 3 on your own.
@@memyshelfandeye318 Oh yeah, he is cool too. I wonder how he is doing with all this because he is missing from the next Armchair Admirals video?
Gaijin Entertainment must be having a good laugh at this tragic PR disaster lol.
All the way to the bank, can't imagine how many new players they're getting from this whole fiasco
Hey Chase. I say 20 too days late. They only did it because of the pressure and backlash. I've been playing wargaming games since 2014.
I started in World of Tanks, then got into the beta weekend, thanks to a key you gave me back then. Even tried warplanes for awhile, and am now playing blitz. But I say that to say this.
Wargaming has been consistent, in their most erroneous regards, across the board.. I do thank you for you content and particular bit of wit over the years my friend.
I feel so so bad for this dead horse. It keeps getting beaten and stomped and kicked and then resurrected to begin it all over again. Poor horsey.
It took them so long is because their damage control party was on cooldown.
Thanks, I laughed at your comment. I'm surprised they haven't tried that excuse yet.
My X button is broken from smashing it for all the doubt I have with their statement. They can implement new community program rules in less than 2 weeks, but the can't fix damage balance in a year. Also with all their plans for basically next year. I am placing my bets in them hoping we all forget everything that has happened, and they can shuffle this plan of intent into archive.
This "apology" is more for shareholders than players. WG seems to be in financial trouble. Perhaps the investigations about money laundering and funding terrorism are costly to WG.
The original Halloween submarine matches were pretty fun. If they keep subs in a convoy type situation it would be great. Limit fun police to something like that as well while you're at it.
Another great video, thanks.
About the Missouri camo vs bonus part :
I personally think (and I might be a bit cynical but their track record speaks for itself) that they went for the "bonus" because it gives them a way to remove the bonus in a not so distant future. That's my take on it, I could be wrong but nothing would surprise me anymore.
CC updates: Any vocal dissent is punishable by gulag.
WG: We comply with the law.
Also WG: (doesn't publish drop rates)
Hope. But keep reality in mind. Could be legitimate, could be lip service, could be 200% horse feathers with 0 intent to make a single customer satisfaction change.
"next Year" that means we will just bullshit people along untill a year has passed and things have calmed down then people will forget and we can just carry on wargaming has fucked itself where i am concerned i wont ever play any of the games again.
Imo adding some free xp modifiers to operations as well as having one operation per ship tier would see a lot more people play them
Or rotate them faster. How often can you play the very same mission ... every day for the whole week?
'The team's creative vision of the game" @ 16:01
Vision Statement: Our vision is to milk you of as much money as we can, as quickly as possible.
"Wait and See", you'll be waiting years for these changes to take place.
"Control... Over your opinions! hehehe" that was a cherry on top for me :)
And even more words, now from someone a bit higher up in the chain, but only words....
Was there even one rude comment from ccs until June?
Strong opinions sure, but nothing rude or non constructive criticism I can think of.
PLEASE correct me if I am wrong
Im just betting this was crafted by a PR Firm they hired
Exactly, 14 days to negotiate a lower rate to save money, 2 days to write this nonsense and 4 days to get everyone to agree on some small parts of the information making sure they dont embarass someone high up
By now ,they have the expertise in-house.
Where i live it is illegal to advertise a sale of a product that is new on the market. You can’t sell a shirt and immediately put a 10%-off-sign on it when it didn’t hit the market before. So much to that “we always follow the law”-bs
when the CV rework happened and they mentioned the support carriers I was extremely excited, made it seem like it was something that would be coming in some form soonish at the time. Good to see its not even left the paper still.
I am still very skeptical of WG's words, and how empty they've been in the past. But, at the same time, I don't really see what they could've said alternatively. Put simply, WG has been forced into a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation: either acknowledge and respond to the exodus/feedback with words that will assuredly be called empty, or don't say anything and convince the player base you're as cold as they think you are.
The fact that they at least acknowledged the problems is a step in the right direction, and is more than what we've seen from WG in pretty much the last 2-3 years.
It's entirely possible that this is just more empty words and that nothing will happen, as per usual. In fact, I'd say that's the probable conclusion given how WG has managed to practically burn all of its goodwill with the player base over the past couple of years. That being said, I appreciate that they at least appear to acknowledge the problems, and it's a step in the right direction.
We'll have to wait and see.
Actions speak louder than words.
Completely agree! We’ll just have to wait and see. Having acknowledged some issues now in this post should also make them actually commit to them. Otherwise people will just point back at it when they don’t get addressed. So fingers crossed.
There is a bit of a problem still behind this though, some of my friends who voiced their opinions and what not on the World of Warships stream and were banned talking about lootboxes, or monetization and mentioning about gambling in general. Even though the feedback was constructive. I wondered what were the type of questions and read them as they were and couldn't understand it.
With that in mind though, there are some countries who had banned games with gambling mechanics. In fact someone I know over here has approached whoever runs the legalisation and classification of the games here where I live and made a voice about it. Mind you though I can see a lot of new potential issues in going forward.
If WG were to change, and from what I've read not all of it is that bad but they say one thing, promises were made and can be broken. Its really thinning out the faith and trust in them. I am however hoping for a positive change but it will be rough in the next few years to get there
this is a short summary of the article
WG: Can I drive your car?
playerbase: yes sure why not..
30 min later.
WG: Sorry dude I accidentally hit a tree and destroyed your car. I sincerely apologize.
playerbase: are you going to pay the repair?
WG: OFC NO, I apologize.
WG wanted to eliminate the old timers in the CC program, as you were the ones, after being disrespected for years, who were no longer presenting feedback in a reasoned and constructive way according to WG rules.
Scene: St. Petersburg 2 years ago
Dimitri: Yuri, we need to get rid of all the CC's we've been ignoring. They are getting too loud!
Yuri: Who is the most respected CC?
Dimitri: That pain in the ass Little White Mouse. She is always testing the ships, finding out what we were trying to hide, then telling everyone about it. Marketing is furious with her.
Yuri: Ok, that is good, we go after her first then. Get her to quit, maybe suck her into thinking she is helping with a ship, then pull the rug out, insult her a few times.
Dimitri: Alright, she's gone. What about the rest?
Yuri: Is simple Tovarich. That credit busting ship, the Missouri, we put it behind loot boxes for all the new players, no extra credits, and we nerf what the old players were making.
Dimitri: Good, but I don't understand. How does that solve our CC problem?
Yuri: Is simple, we make it seem like the loot boxes are gambling, which they really are, and with this one two three punch they all quit in disgust. Good riddance!
Dimitri: But if it's gambling what do we say?
Yuri: No problem. We voluntarily raise our ratings to only prey on 12 and above and issue the same pabblum we've been feeding the players, just more so. The Director will do it.
Dimitri: That's genius! It could work! Yuri, what else are you doing?
Yuri: My best yet! Loot boxes for players who don't want to play games with CV's in them. Remember Dimitri, it's a long game we are playing!
Genius!
Lots and lots of words. Some of it even sounds good.
Let's see what they actually do.
Bill C....Bloody Brilliant!!!!
readed it, pretty standard corporate "we hear you, but not really" letter. Promise to do better, repeat the same things about trasparency etc.
Naturally they wont do anything except maybe some minor things to show people that they are working on it
probably you will see strictly rules for cc, roadmap and the few ships announced, and that's it
I read it as: they plan to apologize, just like they plan to be more open, sincere, or precise in wording. I am planning to misunderstand them less.
As they say at the morgue, remains to be seen.
I miss this channel.
I do too dude
Definitely prefer this to Flamu's vid. You can tell iChase is attempting to keep his personal feelings in check and be objective. He didn't always succeed, but at least he made the effort to take a more balanced approach. Even though I'm not too terribly hopeful about this on a personal level, I feel like there's way too much hyperbole going around these days.
Yeah - but I bet Flamu is closer to nailing the reality of the situation - iChaese is just too polite!
They need a year to equalise drop rates for gambling crates and come up with an acceptable table of drop rates? Just how scummy/illegal are their current practices with the crates? Worse than we think I bet...
This he WG version of that fantastic movie 28 Days Later. The Wargambling execs woke up after 20 days of counting money to discover the barren apocalypse of the CC program and player base goidwill in flames.
I am waiting for actions. Not words. Show me actions
32:40 "and where we put certain types of feedback"
On the toiletpaper rack, I imagine.
In Italy there is a saying "Close the stable after the oxen have fled". This situation seems very similar to me. 😏
so what is the second way to get the missouri?
Only WG could say we will listen to your feedback, admit CV’s are fucked and confirm introduction of more CV’s in the same “apology” 👍
Thanks for your feedback. I agree on a wait-and-see idea. Keep up the good work man!!
by 7:50 is where i stopped. If they are going to openly admit they believe they are in the right when it comes to the lootboxes then no more time needs to be wasted. They can die on that hill and will probably do so until their player base is dead.
As a admittedly new both player of wows and view of your channel, do you think you'll be coming back to do more streams and videos on wows or has that ship sailed? (pardon the pun)
He is fine, he is just focusing on school
I almost feel sorry for Sub Octavian on his broadcast... almost!
You know he's going to get hammered with comments, criticisms and rotten eggs.
New maps, I think one of the new maps is going to have an active volcano erupting on one of the islands. So that will have NOTHING to do with the gameplay lol.
I hadn't played WOWs for a while until recently, so I had no idea how broken the FDR was. Holy crap. I was in my Montana earlier, with a Minotaur and a couple of DDs nearby, and the enemy FDR was STILL getting 10 or more torpedoes to drop on me!! He was harassing me the entire game and I had no way of counterplay, despite having friendly ships with good AA nearby.
Actions speak louder then words
One thing I always wanted before a quit playing was shorter random battles possibly on smaller maps. Although, when I wrote a year and a half ago, the player base was so unskilled that 7 out of 10 games didn't even last 10 minutes. is the constant ROFL stomping still as bad as it was a year ago?
OOOF, been watching you since Kitakami. So sad to see what it has become!
Thumbs up is for the report, not for the response from WG
This is the biggest load of horse hockey since the Korean war.
WG: "Our data says that our playerbase will love and accept this apology"
Playerbase: "Ya think?"
Literally, Wargaming is a company that trusts their data more then what their customers say
I might go back to the game someday. Night battles would bring me back.
one of these days i will just go to a game dev HQ and deliver them a basket of passionfruit since they really seem to love passion(fruit)
''We always follow the Laws, sometimes before they even become official...On an unrelated note, does anyone want their money Laundering?''
........ ''Oh and before I go, this is all your fault for being mean to us!''
Bruh they didn’t even change/acknowledge the Yukon yet,
meaning that they’re not even looking to put an ounce of action in
Hey Chase. WarGaming needs over a year to show the droprates because they're clearly not compliant with laws and each reason most likely has different drop rates for each ship.
History repeats itself.
Honestly, I didn't expect much. This won't change much for those who left until some real fixing is done in game.
This apology have more exit ways then open field. And i count only first sentense!!!
Don't know if this is hopefully
Or scummy-ness 2.0......
Either:
1) we will address concerns and add missions on par with loot boxes....
2) it's just going to be loot boxes.....
Just loot boxes........ We just want you to forget this happened
Where has this man gone?
College
Actions speak louder than words. WG has proven that they seldom back their promises. Oh how the promises come out when the spread sheet shows a decline in sales.
They can't change, they don't have it in them
I expect nothing to be changed!
Finding another Game
I miss this channel
Naval architect school is where ichase is at now
None Apology, actions first then respect!
I'm guessing that this "Shout-out" is a reaction to reduced sales and player involvement in the game.
The main developers are in Minsk. The main servers are in Belarus.
The question is, will they carry through with all these plans they talked about... We'll see, but I kind of doubt it. WG does not have a good track record in this area.
I will wright a better apology in 20sec. "I'm sorry, we fucked up big time, nothing we can say can make this any better."
I hope WoWS keeps subs… and doesnt think thats what is pissing ppl off
So much BS in this wall of text. Still not gonna open my wallet.
Transparency on loot box odds is the bare minimum if they truly apologized.
Remind me in 1 year.
Empty words! The reason being that anything WG does is subject to commercial considerations they will NEVER expose to the community, or for that matter to anyone outside the company. The only reaction that they will understand is that as many players as possible close their wallets consistently and indefinitely.
i foresee like no one getting the new Missouri