Are they both GHOST SHIPS?
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- čas přidán 3. 10. 2023
- With a crew of just 7 on board the NOSTROMO you can understand how it might be viewed as a 'ghost ship' especially as it is actually bigger than the Starship Enterprise! But even with 430 crewmembers on board our epic starship might we also consider it a 'ghost ship'? Is a crew of 430 really enough to operate this massive starship?
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The rec deck with holograms as first seen in TAS would be a must-have on the "real" Enterprise, and it would explain the need for all the windows so that someone can look out into space, especially from the mess deck or the equivalent of a Ten Forward.
You make interesting points, but while the Enterprise is on a "5 year mission", we see crew being rotated on all the time during the three years of the show - this would imply crew also being rotated off (and not just red shirts in caskets!). I imagine that most crewmen's tour on a starship is less than the five years of the ship's deployment, and that every visit to a starbase might see some crew turnover.
Another thing I like about the SNW version of the Enterprise is the use of the automated robots that go out and do repairs on the outside as well as inside of the ship under organic crew member supervision.
Can't wait to see more of the ship buil...stay safe!...hailing frequencies closed!
Wishing you great success with your build.
I think once you really get going replicating multiples of crew quarters and even just a few recreational areas and dedicated service/duty areas and a couple of crew mess halls along with connective corridors and turbo-lift shafts and runways, that space will quickly become less available. Don't forget to keep in mind compartmentalization aspects to minimize losses due to decompression with hull breaches. Your visualization so far has been most impressive.
From my experience going bonkers can be fun
As long as it's the right kind of bonkers I totally agree ;-)
As always, your interpretation of our favorite lady is damn near perfect.
Not sure if others have brought this though up so hopefully I'm not hashing old thoughts but I was curious if you still plan on having that small area on the outer ring of the bridge a turbolift control station. My thoughts would be to have that area a head instead. Turbolift controls could easily be done by the many bridge stations already present while having to go to an entirely different deck to answer nature's call seems inefficient.
Also curious what size you've decided on, shuttlecraft wise, if you have done so and what impact that may or may not have had to your design concept for the hanger deck.
Good thoughts, and thank you. I'm thinking that turbolift control room should become a bathroom facility, with another on the portside. As you say, all to do with turbolift function can probably be dealt with on the bridge, at least a notification if anything goes wrong so the bridge can notify maintenance crew. Not fixed yet on shuttle size, but my tendency is to have at least 2 different sizes.
With you 100% on your ship design interpretations. As far a the crew, I think we lose something if we imagine Trek without officer ranks and the Naval chain of command. This is not hippy-dippy TNG with families aboard, cruising around a known galaxy. This is Wagon Train in space - pioneers facing completely unknown threats and conditions. They need to be tough and they need leaders.
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If you think the original Enterprise is a ghost ship, check out the ship in Next Generation. It's so huge that it swallows an admittedly larger crew. You could wander around it for some time and not meet anyone.
Its rediculous.
I think we have to consider the psychology of the crew in what would be our future.
Mankind had been exploring space for almost 2 centuries at the time of TOS, and many crewmen would probably be "Spacer" children.
That is, they would have spent their entire lives growing up in artificial interior environments such as spaceships, space stations and enclosed planetary installations.
To these people, the very idea of living for years inside a starship would be considered normal, while the prospect of going "Outside" would be nonsensical or outright terrifying, leading to them literally going bonkers.
Ensign Mayweather of the original Enterprise is a good example. He was born and raised on a space freighter, and comments how he misses the coziness and family atmosphere of his parents' ship.
In fact, this may be why Captain Kirk has to be careful selecting crew for landing parties.
He needs to know who can be trusted not to succumb to panicked agoraphobia when suddenly transported "Outside" on a planet's surface!
For all we know, Starfleet may require only personnel of "Spacer" upbringing to be assigned to deep space exploration starships like the Enterprise, to reduce the likelihood of the crew going mad with claustrophobia.
You see pictures of New York or California back in the fifties and you are struck by how fewer people there were about back then. You could probably double the 1960s crew numbers to bring it up to date.
The UK has just had a Vanguard class sub return after a 6 month patrol. World's largest cruise ship holds 7000 passengers and 2500 crew but the biggest ship is a container ship with up to 30 crew. Mind boggling numbers
GNDN - I got it! Your model makes me want to see another main turbo lift with Spock’s station in between. I don’t remember if you considered that design option. Fantastic. \\//,
I read an article once, that basically said everyone would go insane on the Enterprise stuck inside for month after month.
I saw the same article and agree, that's why the Enterprise I'm building is going to be somewhat different :-)
@@mrtrek2117 In the animated series, which goes from cannon to not cannon every other day, the Enterprise had holodecks. From a model making standpoint it would be a very boring space, just an empty cube, but have you considered a holodeck?
Isn't the Nostromo meant to be an automated mining facility? The 7 crew are for the small ship towing it
The 'small' ship towing the massive refinery platform IS the Nostromo, it's bigger than the Enterprise. Next to the refinery platform the Nostromo looks like a little matchbox.@@MatthewCaunsfield
@@mrtrek2117And that's really got the dimensions you mentioned? Wow!
Good score on the GNDN's . I liken the " Entertainment " on the ship to be like that on a Cruise Vessel. It's absolutely amazing what they can pull off with such limited space.
Imagine how empty the 1701-D would seem at 1,012 crew!
The crew complement on Pike's original TOS Enterprise was 203 in The Cage.
Perhaps the machinery occupied much more space in that time.
Applying Moore's law backwards from the TOS Enterprise, the computer core and warp engineering might have occupied 3 times the volume.
And like modern Navy submarines, sick bay might just be one doctor in a cramped room.
I would much rarher be on the Enterprise than the Nostromo any day.
I think you speak for most of us! ;-)
Regarding the zero G area for the turbo lift (which is a great concept btw), wouldn’t there need to be an airlock to transition between the artificial gravity and zero G areas?
Good thinking but I don't think it would be needed as the turbolift car would also have artificial gravity, only the shafts themselves would be zero G. So when the car was in place at it's collection/drop-off point the gravity tech of the car would align with the gravity tech of the deck. Thanks for the input :-)
All your 1:25 scale crew are standing. You need some that are seated at consoles, conference tables, etc.
All the 1:25 scale crew right now consist of 1 or 2 models used purely for size reference when building the interiors. Of course in the final build there will be figures seated at consoles and tables, there will even be a few figures in partial dematerialization on the transporter pads. Give me a chance, I'm one guy building an entire starship!
So if you average the crew over 24 decks, that would be less 17.9 crew members per deck. What is max occupancy of the bridge?
8 crew on the bridge. If you had 17 crew on deck 2 and 3 those decks would seem crowded. If you had 17 on deck 24 it would be packed, and on deck 23 it would seem crowded. I'm thinking the main body of the crew are on deck 7 and deck 17 (engineering).
The Nostromo was no more than a Commercial Tug , as we always see them in modern day They dont have big Crews , the Nostromo was hauling a fully functioning Refinery processing Mineral Ore , and it would be automated in areas..So having a large Crew would be pointless and it was already in Light speed returning to Earth when it got re routed , it was a Glorified upscaled Peterbilt Semi Rig.., Still luv yer Vids an your build.
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Do we really need to use gravity to propel the turbo-lifts? We could do a pretty good job now, in 2023, building a multi-axis people mover, using just linear motors and plain old magnetic technology (POMT); Imagine how much more effective POMT would be like in the twenty-third century. Also, the gravitational force is weaker, by some margin, than the electromagnetic force, meaning that you would get more motive force, all else being equal than from gravitic devices. Also, POMT would be simpler, and therefore, more reliable. On the subject of the Nostromo being larger than the Enterprise. The Nostromo is a commercial towing vessel; are you including the length of its "trailer" the Narcissus?
Hahaha 🤣no one did the math! 430 divided by 24 = roughly 18 crew per deck, you could work all day and never bump into anyone.
Gerald R. Ford Aircraft Carrier Crew: 4,539 (ship, air wing and staff).
Then divide that by 3 shifts leaves 143 on duty each shift.
I'm sorry but a ship that size and complexity would require way more than 143 to just keep up with maintenance. There's no air in space
you have to bring it with you. Yes in the form of liquid oxygen and nitrogen.
You can use re-breather tech and CO2 scrubbers to extend the supply
but just keeping up with scrubber maintenance would take all 143 on duty for HVAC maintenance alone.
then divide 143 X 24 decks and you get 6 crew per deck. A ghost ship would creep out more people than an overcrowded one.