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If you’re searching for a new speaker for your studio, you’ve probably wondered what the best size for your room is.
Should you get a speaker with a 5-inch woofer? Or maybe 6-inch? Or maybe even 8-inch?
What about speakers with a horizontal driver layout instead of a vertical layout?
Maybe you even heard that you should match the speaker/driver size to the size of your room, because otherwise you’ll end up overpowering it and causing unwanted issues.
But what does that mean exactly? And is there any science to back it up?
In this video I want to dive into what science actually has to say about speaker size and room size.
I’ll also give you my own strategy for picking the right speaker size for your room.
So the next time you’re on the hunt for a new speaker, you’ll know exactly what type, shape and size of monitor makes the most sense in your particular studio.
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A Link to this video seriously needs to be placed on EVERY single audio website / forum known to mankind. In others words, great job! ...explaining away this loooooooong standing myth.
Great video! I love how you explained something that was my logic for years, and that is to get a good full range monitor, and not be afraid it has "too much bass" for the room. You can always attenuate the sub if you want, but you still have it if you need it and want to hear it.
I love you soo much dude, that's exactly what I needed. I had this same picture in my head but needed some professionals approval.
This has answered questions I have actively searched for for months. Thanks!
Very good summary to clarify that topic. Thank you.
Thanks for the informative instruction; good video.
thank you so much JEsco, downloaded ur PDF guide too, superrrr useful
Thank you for this video! Perfect explained! My respect!
Just the advice I needed! Thank you!
So helpful, thanks!
Brilliant. Really appreciate you sharing all of your knowledge
I love your lucid presentation style. Simple n to the point. Would love if you could do a video on tone /timbre/ pitch. Would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance 🙏🏻
thanks this is helpful!
Thank u for all the good info on this subject. 💪🏽💪🏽
What an eye opener! thank you!
incredible useful!! as all your videos. Really is a game changer! thanks you a lot!!
This is exactly what i was looking for 🔥
This is really helpful, thank you!
Thanks for this! I’m moving to a smaller room and was a bit worried my speakers would be to large. 👍🏻
Wow....Loved it!!! I have been so frustrated in getting my room set up, due to space and size, great and economical tip on getting the small speaker to test the room ... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
This is an amazing experiment 👏.. Tqsm
Great info! Thx buddie
Your speach and ascent is very clear, explanation is very good. Keep up God bless you.
This was very useful!!
Thank You for the valuable information's.
Thank you very much. I have Hedd Audio Type 20 in a 12m2 and was actually thinking about a downgrade. No way after that video.
2 mins in n I subscribed.. wonderful
Good video man thank you
After so many years on CZcams seeking information on so many subjects, this was the most dead on for my needs that I have found in years. I felt like I paid for a direct consultation! I want the ADAM A77H monitors so bad but my room is like 8.5ft by 11ft and may be too small for those but I will go use the test in the provided link. I’m really hoping that the evaluation will result in me being able to use those monitors. It’s really petty but I have wanted monitors with that dual woofer, vertical orientation for sooooooo many years and for more the look than the actual performance which is pathetic I know but there is some truth to loving the way your work station looks and being happy considering you will be sitting there for hours daily. I really want 3way monitors badly and I hope these will work. Anyway sorry for writing a book but I am really thankful for this post and will try to direct as much traffic to you site as I can. Great job bro! 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
Thank you. I really enjoyed your presentation. Very helpful. I also asked for your helping tool as well.
Great vid man. I think you mentioned on a podcast you were going to make a vid on how you build your panels. Is that still in the works??
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Another excellent presentation. I've been working with the idea of small speakers with specific dispersion characteristics and near field listening into the corner. Any thoughts?
Thanks again!
Going to watch all your video's, as they seem great! I have two pairs of Adam monitors, P11A's and P22A's. Can you advise on what minimum room size I would need to accommodate either of those? I was planning on maybe just using the P22A's and selling the others on, or possible using both at different distances if this is worthy (nearfield/midfield)? However, I don't have a house with a room yet and doubt my studio room will be very large when we do move.
great help thanks.
Great advice
Thanks for this Jesco - very helpful!
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Really great information. What’s your thoughts on that Focal shape 6.5 thanks
You should add a tag in your video like "studio monitor placement" and/or "speaker positioning" as I was searching for that and couldn't find your video but your video is extremely helpful on that subject. Thanks
thank you
Interesting Video. I've just come across your channel and find it very informative. May I ask? Could you do something "sane" about DML Flat Panel Speakers? Also if, in your opinion, they are suitable, in smaller sizes, as Studio Monitors? In particular for voice over editing.
I have a question sir.. After finding the sweet spot for the low end.. What should be the ideal equivalent distance between the speaker and the listening position assuming i have 8" woofer..?
Hi. I love your videos, watched them all. What do you think about the barefoot footprints 01 for a 9 m2 room?
best analysis
In a 9ft x 9ft. Should I go for A77x or KH120 or trio6? Going to buy it this week
Good stuff.
Hi Jesco, what is the optimal distance for a listener, for a 6.5 inch speaker like the Focal 65. Their manual just gives a range. Also, does it qualify as nearfield. Anyone care to advice?
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My question is how does this apply if you're using a subwoofer or two? If the sub is taking care of much of your low-end (below say 80Hz), can you not just get smaller monitors? What about dual subs as well? I found when I got two subs, it cleaned up the low end at several listening positions. When you have a multi-sub set up, you often have more than one low-end "sweet spot", no? That's the main reason enthusiasts recommend more than 1 sub.
The first vid op YT that examines the content of sound technology before choosing your monitors instead of playing compressed hip-hop music and which monitor has the best twingelingg.
Hi Jesco. It’s a bit of a chicken egg thing but would it make sense to first get a decent speaker and then test the room, and then do the acoustic treatment. The other way around, i.e. test the room first and then get a speaker doesn’t seem to make sense to my mind. If my argument is correct could you (or someone knowledgeable on here) recommend a safe bet for a low budget speaker for a 10 by 12 room. Thanks in advance!
Extremely helpful video....just one thing...maybe you could make a video on how to figure out the sweet spot for the speakers and listening position...!
That would be very very helpful
it's a site that calculates the perfect speaker/listening position :)
Thanks for the great advice and the guide!
Question: If you were to design a perfect room for listening/mixing audio, (music and movies), what size room it would be?
play around with the amroc calculator. Play around with the dimensions until the Red Cross is smack bank in the center of the "bolt-area" graph.
I would start out with a sensible room heigh and then play around with width and length.
If you have an existing room, punch in the heigh and width of the room and play around with the length until the bolt-area looks good.
my room is only 3mx3m yet my setup is 5.1.2. 620f tower, 10inch sub. sound awfully at first, but its heavenly after i installed carpet, basstrap etc. im so happy now
completely within Dolby specs too
Wonderful stuff, Jesco. As always. Could you do a video specifically in regards to sub placement? The Bass Hunter technique helps me find the listening spot, and my "mains" form stereo image, but should stereo subs by default sit on the floor next to the mains?
Bump! That would be great 🤓
The best config for dual subs is typically the mid-point of the side walls, at least in a rectangular room. That provides the greatest reduction in room modes. Of course, measurements are your best friend, in some rooms you may want to try opposing corners, near-field, or even placing one of the subs near the ceiling.
Is this before or after room treatment with the insulation panels?
You r a smart fella. This man knows his shit
Where do you think I should place my Krk Rokit G4 RP7s? I have a 10ft x 12ft room with a ceiling height of 8ft. It's pretty small so I would appreciate a little advice. I might have got too big of speakers but would like to deal with it. Should I do a 5.8 ratio setup because it's pretty much square instead of rectangle? Should I also follow the 38% rule? Or do you have a better opinion? I have such a small space and if I did the 38% rule, it sure will take up a lot of space. Thanks
True! Big speakers don't overpower your room because you can just lower the volume.
I've auditioned the Edifier A100 vs A300 at the store in the same controlled room with the same decibel measurements.. The A300 with bigger driver sounds bigger than the smaller A100, infact if you listen to them side by side, A100 sounds honky. I'm not talking loudness here, they are set the same loudness levels and the A300 sounds wider and more airy. As per store owner, nobody picks up an A100 if they don't mind the box size and base only on the sound quality.
It's nice to see someone know about Bogić. I am blessed to work in a room he designed. His My Room Acoustic Design v2 with his SM3 XL speakers (the biggest ones he ever bulit). The room is brilliant, especially for such a small room. He really was on to something with his designs.
Also. Just found your channel and immediately subscribed. Great content, keep it up
Hey Miha, could you drop me a quick email: jesco@acousticsinsider.com? Would love to hear what your experience has been in Bogic's room. Thanks!
Hello! thx for these well explainned tips, awesome job. Regarding the most important point you mentionned in the video (around 8min : listener's position), I have a PUZZLE for you :) It certainly puzzles me... I'm looking to buy either 5's 7's inch monitor mainly to play digital piano in my loft with a cathedral roof (40x40 feet wide = room dimension). The real pickle is that my keyboard needs to be hugging the wall alongside the monitors, therefore, Impossible for me to back away while playing and have a nice triangle or find that sweet spot. The speakers would be positionned almost like "headphone" straight right/left. However, I could back away the speakers along the wall a good 3-5 feet on both side with me sitting in the middle
What should I do / or get ?! ;)
So the pretty new Neumann Kh120 2's are good enough? They can also be set to your specific room setup/size.
I am new to home recording. I am recording electric guitar with modeling software. I do want to mix in midi drums and strings in some of my songs. My room is small and just not sure what size studio monitors I need. The modeling software is also standalone so I am using my computer as an amp. I want to get monitors that are suitable and not over the top.
How to find the low end sweet spot?
Bigger Speakers help with Standing Waves?! That's some really good info!
i have a small room. 10 ft by 20 ft. 3 of the walls have sound proof blankets on them floor to ceiling. there are sound baffles hanging from the ceiling the entire length, and hanging on the long wall which is un-blanketed. There is very little reflection in the room. Ceiling is 7 ft 4 inches or so. My 24 channel soundboard is placed with the non-blanketed long wall behind it, and it right up against a blanketed long wall. I have 8 inch monitors. Any idea where the bass sweet spot is? Considering adding a sub. My 8 inch speakers are passive with -3 dB at 65 Hz. thanks
I just bought the yamaha hs80m online, how much different are they from the new hs series?
10 years ago, I actually discovered a way to make a small 2 inch speaker sound like an 18 inch high watt speaker using common items we all use every day. I've googled every single audio manufacture's inventory to see if anyone has ever created anything similar to what I invented, NOTHING! I got a multi million dollar invention, more like a tweak, to be honest. I actually find it hard to believe that no one else has discovered what I discovered.
please tell us what you invented
Very thorough video, as per usual. Thank you for dispelling this myth!
I make beats in a 2.2m x 2.4m and 2m height booth.
All walls are made of absorbing fabrics.
What size speaker should I use?
My room is 10x10 feet.should i get 5 inch speakers or 7 or 8's?
Plis help
In the name of God.
Thanks for the video. I’m looking forward to buy a pair of studio monitors for my room which the dimensions are about 2.8m width, 3.2m length and 2.8 height. And the genre that I’m working is Trance or generally EDM. Which size do you recommend?
I think it's summed up at 9 minutes. No matter what, you're going to have to deal with it sooner or later. That can almost apply to every single topic within room acoustics. You can't know what's going on or how to fix it until you start working. Some realizations creep up slowly, some appear like a light switch turning on, some epiphanies turn out to be correct once implemented- others are epic fails.... There are of course a handful of "rules of thumb" but ultimately, it's all so very subjective and more importantly situational. You can't nuke experience.
That's why it helps to have a friend who has experience like that, To get ahead of other studios in a competitive environment you really can't lack on acoustic treatment so that should be your focus first.
Well said
Very interesting,thanks !! i have currently yamahas HS80M speackers,and the problem in my room (4x3meter) is def the space between listening position and the wall.. normally i should place them 1,50m from the wall because of the rear port .. but i can't.. so should i choose front ported or non ported speackers to place them near the wall ? i think 8inch are fine because 5 or 6,5inches speackers often lacks low end. Also, i am often positioned around 80cm from the speackers when working which is maybe too short for 8inch monitors?
I have the room measurements and i have exactly the same question because i want to get 8 inch speakers. What did you end up doing and what were your results?
I think the line of reasoning applied in speaker size vs room is more of a different practical nature:
Small room sizes are difficult to treat for good low end representation, to the point where the treatment takes up lots of physical space-which is impractical and often not even physically "possible", depending on the actual dimensions we are talking about.
Therefor, take a set of speakers which doesn't go all the way down in order to avoid problems in the low end. It is true that you will therefor miss out on these frequencies, but the argument is that they will not be well represented anyways. In other words: the actual "rule" is to assess any kind of low end on headphones in small rooms as that will give a more accurate translation than any speaker + treatment setup would give (and for less cost).
The idea of "overpowering" should be interpreted as exciting low-end room modes, not interpreted as SPL (cq wattage). This also makes sense because there is no principle correlation between driver size and SPL.
This is exactly my experience. Small room got 5 inch monitors. What I found was I had to crank the volume up to the higher end and the sound was distorting a bit , so what I was hearing wasn't clean. Got 7 inch monitors ..perfect size no need to crank the volume up past 75%. At 50% the volume I'm hearing clean but loud sound. So my advice is get monitors that you only need 50% of the volume for your hearing needs. Anything past 75% volume is no good.
To be fair, you shouldn't be mixing loud anyway - fatigues your ears faster and if loud enough can damage them over time. Theres a sweet spot where you actually hear more detail. Crank it once in a while to get more of a consumer feel / different perspective. Also he said, it's not even about volume but headroom. So yeah bigger than 5's is best. I prefer 8's.
Hey Jesco thank you for all the great information. Is it true that larger speakers are less precise at lower volumes? My listening levels are around 60dB (rarely louder than a conversation level) so I wonder does this rule of more headroom applies to this situation.
I've not heard that one before. I doubt it's a problem.
No, it isn't at all speaker size dependent. Speakers of all sizes tend to suck at low level listening, as well you can find speakers of all sizes that are good at it... mind you far fewer will actually be good at low level listening. One suggestion if I may, try to be set up in the largest room with the overall speaker placement being as far from your seated position as possible (and still achieving great imaging and all), thereby having you turn up the volume higher in order to reach your 60 dB at your listening position..., which then will open up your speaker options a bit.
Hi Jesco, thank you for your helpful videos. There is a myth out there that woofers smaller than 8 inch can't produce real bass technically. Is there any truth in that comment?
Idk is my setup is correct, i have a couple 6.5 studio moitors and a center channel of the same size, and 2 15" peavey black widows
TONE CONTROLS, bass attenuators. Great insight: small enough to put in "proper place"
Hello, I will soon move into an apartment and install a small home studio in a room measuring 5.3 m x 2.7 m (14.3 m2). I will put my office on the width. the room will have a desk on the opposite side for my girlfriend and a TV with sofa in the center. I will treat my side acoustically. My question is: are the Adam a7x models "too powerful" for the size of my room or should I get the a5x? I'm doing beatmaking. I thank you in advance.
My bed room size is 12ft/13ft with ceiling height of 12ft and listening distance of approx. 11ft. Can I have a Pair of tower speakers (SVS Prime Tower) or I should restrict to Pair of Bookshelf? Please advise.
Regards
I'm torn between getting focal alpha 50's or yamaha hs7's with sonarworks reference 4 or ik multimedia iLoud MTM what should I choose?
I have the alpha 65. They are great
Hey, thanks for all the work. I'm hesitating between several new speakers - currently using Adam A7vs, they're great but I want / need to upgrade . My room is kind of small.So I have to take speaker placement into consideration, obviously. My question is: how would I know what is the minimal / optimal distance between the two speakers? I live in a rural area and can only order online and cannot afford to do listening sessions and compare. How can I know if I can fit this or that speaker size before buying? Is there a way?
Why don't you like the A7V's? I was just about to purchase these.
@@Samermathkour They're amazing. Go and buy it. Lots of deep end for a 7" and amazing detail. I just need more speakers. Ideally a higher SPL since I'm now in a home and I can crank up the volume as much as I want. .
Thanks a lot man! Extremely helpful and explained in a very simplified manner, I've been trying to figure out the answer to this for years, and I kept reading about bigger speakers 'overpowering' the smaller rooms in different forums.
Hello sir my room is just 8ftx8ftx8ft where to place speakers and distance from wall
How about a small speaker set with an accompanying woofer to handle the low-end peaks?
you typically get phase issues at the crossover frequency and decent subwoofers are crazy expensive and they're still slow to respond. And now you need a proper amplifier and crossover so everything is somewhat in phase. Then there is subwoofer placement. The good spots for listening sweet spot is also typically the spot where bass builds up in the corner.
Läuft bei dir!!! Was ein geniales Video, vielen vielen Dank!!! Übrigens, würdest du sagen, mit den Yamaha HS8 sollte man sich einen Sub dazu holen? Die gehen ja schon weit runter...aber es macht doch u.U. Sinn, wenn man die 20Hz auch noch hören kann, oder? Danke!
(Does a sub in conjunction with the Yamaha HS8s make sense?)
Ich habe die Dinger seit 15 Jahren und ich habe die ganzen Jahre darüber nachgedacht einen Sub zu kaufen. Ich bin auch öfter umgezogen und der Raum ist meistens das Problem. Ich hatte mal einen sehr kleinen Raum und da war der Bass kaum zu hören. In einem etwas größeren Raum drücken die ganz gut aber du darfst nicht vergessen, dass die nur 120w haben und sie geben den Bass sehr schwammig wieder! Das liegt an der Preisklasse. Vergleiche in einem Store wenn du die Möglichkeit hast und achte auf die Basswiedergabe von Monitoren die teuer sind und viel Power haben. Am besten irgendwas mit knackigen Kicks und ordentlichen Transienten abspielen und dann etwas lauter. Da geht der Bass flöten bei günstigen Monitoren wie den Yamahas und der Bass klingt einfach nicht knackig. Ich kann dir nur sagen was ich jetzt mache. Ich habe die ganzen Jahre mit Leuten darüber gesprochen die mehr Ahnung haben als ich und die meisten haben gesagt, dass ich einen sehr großen Sub bräuchte damit es sich lohnt die 38hz zu erweitern. Der sollte dann auch ordentlich sein also würde er nicht wenig kosten. Ich dachte erst an den Adam Sub12, dann an den Sub15 für 2700€ aber dann stimmt das Verhältnis nicht mehr zwischen den Preisklassen und die Yamahas würde man auch ersetzen wollen. Auf Dauer macht das irgendwie alles keinen Sinn. Dann lieber einmal Geld in die Hand nehmen und gute Monitore kaufen. Ich wollte das ganze Studio umbauen aber ich stecke jetzt alles in Monitore. Den Rest muss ich dann nach und nach machen aber ich will keine halben Sachen mehr und das würde ich dir auch raten. Lieber etwas länger sparen und einmal Monitore kaufen die dich auch noch in 10 Jahren zum lächeln bringen.
@@Phire261 wow, danke für die ausführliche Antwort! Ja, ich hab die HS8 auch schon seit 4 Jahren oder so. Ich werde sie wohl noch eine Weile behalten, und als nächstes mehr in Absorber investieren. Aber deine Antwort hat mich sehr zum Nachdenken gebracht, ich denke ich werde deinen Tipp beherzigen, und lieber bessere Monitore statt einen sub kaufen. Wobei ich auch Leute gehört habe, die zu den HS8 einen sub dazu gekauft haben, der nicht wie du sagst so mega teuer war, und damit scheinbar zu einem sehr erfreulichen Ergebniss gekommen sind. Tja, aber wenn man richtig richtig gute Monis kauft, macht man auf jeden Fall nichts falsch, und das nehme ich von deinem Post mit:)
Is it not the room volume rarher than area that should be considered?
My room is very small 8 square meters but i want a 5.1 with Polk loudspeaker 4×ES 10, ES 35 and HTS 10 is that possible in my room?
1. Get a room first. Call it a "sound studio."
2. Get some speakers or monitors that will through the door.
3. Done and done.
My studio is 23 sqm and my Yamaha HS5's are perfect for the size. No need to go bigger but I will add a sub later
I have a tiny spare room which I make music/mix in. I have a pair of Yamaha HS5, which are great! I am thinking of matching the HS5 with the HS8S sub, rather than selling the HS5 and buying say a pair of HS8. I don't think I have the room for HS8, as this video suggests. The benefit of the HS8S is it goes really low, lower than the HS8, but I guess the disadvantage is the sub bass is not in stereo.
There is an argument that low frequencies don't need to be in stereo, as we can't percieve the stereo field with low frequencies. Some people have two subs, which personally I think is A) Unnessasary B) Takes up a lot of space C) Very expensive!
What do other people think about this?
i think it‘s true that we can‘t perceive the stereo field of sub frequencies, so placing one sub anywhere in your room where it sounds best will do perfectly
Thanks for stating the obvious!
The real reason to use smaller speakers in smaller rooms is that you have less space available and speakers take away from that, especially if placed at ideal positions - duh. Of course this is only a consideration if the room has to fulfill other demands than just being a listening room, for example a living room or home office room.
I have spent loads on my system, room treatments (diffusion, absorption, bass trapping) and am always complimented on how great it sounds. However, sitting on the dock at a lake last week using small blue tooth Get Marley speaker, I heard details (vocals, backgrounds, little guitar licks) from songs I knew well that I simply hadn't in my own room. So, i'm sure this is something to do with the lack of walls and sound waves not bouncing around and possibly cancelling out sounds....but can you provide an explanation from a scientific perspective?
Probably has more to do with your studio monitors than your room if its treated well.
Yes, sometimes over treating a room eliminates a lot of very high frequencies
Hi sir my room size includes living hall (11'0"x17'6"=193'6") and dinning hall (6'0"x11'6") together = Total area(263'2"). I interested in buying JBL Bar 5.1, Truly Wireless Home Theatre(510w). I'm very impressed with the sound quality, will it suits my room size. Please reply?
I’m a bit confused. Maybe you’ve covered this in a previous video, but what exactly is “speaker power”? I didn’t think speakers have “power” - the amplifier supplies the power, right?
Power handling and power provided to them.
@@codex6594 You admitted that it’s amplifiers providing the power right in your own reply!
I have a 11x12 foot dedicated theatre room and I’m doing klipsch 7.2.4 Dolby atmos with 2 15” subs
Subwoofers always sound best when going at full pelt! Hence the reason I got rid of my conventional boomy boomy sounding12-inch subwoofers and replaced them with a stereo pair of Rel 8 inch subwoofers. Wow What a difference 🥳
But to be fair even though I have an Atmos setup I'm more of a music lover.
I have floorstanding TDL Studio 1 transmission lines in my 4.5m x 3.5m man cave, driven by Audiolab 8000M power amps. They fire across the room, the walls of which are pretty much covered in vinyl record shelving either side. There is a large glass window behind the seat where I sit, or lay, to listen. On paper it sounds like a recipe for disaster, and yet I find, providing I don't drive the speakers extremely hard, that the sound more than justifies using them.
transmission lines are great for big controlled bass,PMC's are my favourites.
Hey. So I’m trying to decide between buying Adam t5v and Adam t7v. I heard the 5s sound better but the 7s might be better for mixing. Do you have any thoughts? Will the 5s be enough to mix? I’m just starting btw
Get the t7v´s, they are better suited for mixing than the t5vs that "Sound cooler". You need the most flat sound, not the bass hyped one :)
@@JoseMesta I actually bought the T5V´s but I´m returning them. I was not impressed with the bass. I'm considering going for speakers with front bass port. Something like Kali LP or Tannoy Gold. Have you tried those?
@@manuelmatos8950 Nope, but i,ve heard wonders of the Kali (for the price). Of you could make a little effort, you could get better results with the new Focal Alpha. If not, the Kalis :)