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- 15 February 1971 was D-Day - or rather Decimalisation Day, when the British gave up their traditional pounds, shillings and pence (and guineas, ten-bob notes, half crowns and threepenny bits) in favour of what in theory was a much simpler system. But, as this film demonstrates, many found it confusing, particularly people like old Granny Collins (Doris Hare) who'd spent a long life with 'LSD' and wasn't about to change. This dramatised documentary, sponsored by the Decimal Currency Board, predicts the effects of decimalisation on her family and sought to explain the changes in ways that everyone could understand.
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With everyone going to those "LSD shops," I'm not surprised that they're confused.
Were any of them drug stores?
(Or, as Brits know them, chemists?)
@@emmarose4234 nah the old money denominations were L was the pound S was for shillings and D was for pence that’s why they were called lsd shops as they still took old money
i guess it is quite off topic but do anybody know a good site to watch newly released movies online ?
@Timothy Ryland Flixportal :D
@Nolan Brock thank you, I went there and it seems to work =) I appreciate it!
"I shall write to the Queen!" I remember this being shown on the telly,though I don't remember it being any much more than a minute or two long,but I was only 6. I liked those multi-sided,oddly-tinted threepenny bits and was a little disappointed that they went.
Granny wants her LSD
L for lira, S for solidus, D for denarius
@@merseydave1 I think something else is meant...
@@heronimousbrapson863 I'm not stupid, I was just putting the record straight.
Don't eat the brown tuppence.
@@merseydave1 You could've fooled me with that lack of humor that you just demonstrated! 😒
"I think I understand what's happening...in a general sort of way.." - my 80 year old mum looking at my Facebook.
That mini skirt called my attention for how short it is.
Yeah but the underwear was like Krupp's armour plate.
I remember in the late 1970's the 5p's, 10p's and 50p's still said 'New Pence' on them...I never understood why....until now. Thanks, Decimalisation 👍
I was confused why some 5 en 10p coins had 1 and 2 shillings on them in the 80s.
@@andzzz2 Seen the old one shilling, two shillings thing too...
Oh dear. I hope poor simple-minded old granny finally was able to get used to how this awful new money worked.
Not to mention how the daughter had her wig elastic break AND one of her false eyelashes fell off too. The world was just falling apart, wasn't it?
It was risky peering through the keyhole at Gran!
Someone should have explained to whoever from the BFI who wrote the description that a 'guinea' was not actually a unit of currency in 1971 (and hadn't been since the mid-nineteeth century). It was actually only a description of 21 shillings, or £1.05, and was much-beloved of those who charged professional fees. It is still used for the sale and purchase of racehorses at auction.
Imagined Granny reacted the same with UK going Celsius.
Or driving on the left. 😉
This film aired weekly on ITV from Jan 1971. Usually Sunday lunchtimes as part of their educational programmes and on a Saturday morning at 11am before the start of their Saturday morning entertainment programmes.
Milkman is like a Michael Palin character. I like when he promises not to diddle grandma.
And to think the majority of British people alive today are most likely unfamiliar with the old money system.
I s'pose you mean (Larry) Parnes Shillings and Pence! 😄
"If they give me my pension in this new money I'll give it back"
That'll show 'em.
She could give it to me!
@@deiniolbythynnwr926 I thought grannies were supposed to be sweet old ladies...
Private Eye did a hilarious send up of this, Granny, needless to say, got completely the wrong idea!
However, the change-over went extremely smoothly, I was in shops on the day and there were no problems, by the end of the week it was working perfectly!
private eye?
@TheRenaissanceman65 probably before my time, I was too busy reading whizzer and chips as a kid
Peter's sister looked hot on D-Day
I am glad we went decimal though I was born in 1972 just after decimalisation
I'm expecting reg varney as Stan Bulter to walk in any moment...dear old doris hare ..RIP
I want to see the rest of it. This is what I don't understand about the BFI, jealously guarding this manky old footage as though they are sitting on gold, just make it available to anyone who wants it for free. It's not as though folk are queuing up to pay money for it when there is so much content around gratis, at least if you made it available for free it would have an audience instead of rotting in the vaults.
The same could be said about BBC and ITV.So many classic tv shows in their archives with no intention of showing them again.
@@millionseller001 I was born in 1963 and I think that makes me the youngest age that can remember using the old money.
@@millionseller001 .Copyright. The BBC/ITV companies dont have absolute ownership of their content. Writers and actors have rights to the content too. The actors and writers estates would want paying, that is why old TV even if it exists doesn't get shown, with a few exceptions such as "Dad's Army" or "Fawlty Towers".
@@martinhughes2549 It is almost like old Victoria had a point when she gave copyright a time limit of 20 years.
I guess that is what you get if you allow lobbying.
@@keineangabe1804 Yes, you are right, plus not allowing stuff to be shown easily leads to disastrous situations such as mass wiping and junking of old films. Nobody benefits then. However modern content often has repeat/reissue clauses when they are made. It costs more to make but they can be repeated loads of times.
The comments to this video are pure rolled gold! Thanks for the laughs everyone 🙂
I agree.
I remember my mum trying to teach me maths with old money before I started going to school. She thought it would give me a head start. It didn't. The school was teaching maths with new money only.
I remembering watching this every day!!! just 7 years old
Its good to see actress Patricia Driscoll as mum from the Adventures of Robin Hood Comment by Morley Peters
Thank you, I could recognise Glyn Houston and Doris Hare but couldn't name the mother.
@Larkinchance We have milk deliveries in Britain. It's a tad more expensive but much more convenient as they deliver daily.
Correction to an earlier posting.
There were 12 pennies to a shilling,
and 20 shillings to the pound.
Thus 240 pennies made 1 pound.
Pennies were marked as "d"
Shillings were marked as "s" or
"/-"
For example 12 shillings and 8 pence could be shown as 12s 8d or
12/8.
12 shillings exactly could be 12s or
12/-
£1/12/8 would be 1 pound 12 shillings and 8 pence.
Simple really!
decimalization 100 pence to the pound is much more simple
@Jesse You have just proved to everybody, that Decimalisation is very simple ... so Thank You!
@Jesse Lsd Complicated, Decimal Simple ... FACT
@Jesse In our present situation, how many people actually use The One Two or Five pence pieces ? those denominations are far too small ... Ten, Twenty and Fifty pence pieces are used a Lot More! Give me Decimalization Any Day!.
That old system of money was very interesting. Having not used it since 1971, you'd think it took a rocket science degree to comprehend.
Everyday shopping use was easy in old money £1.50 was £1-10-0
@@clavichord Now add up £13/7/10 and £6/15/7. No calculators.
@@CA-ee1et Ok.... but I will use 1960s style pen and paper... 10d+7d =17d minus 12d is 5d... add 1 shilling (12d) making 7+15+1= 23 shillings, then subtract 20 shillings to make one pound giving 13+6+1 pounds. Making total of £20, three and five. I find it easier to add L.s.d. by starting with pence rounding off and working up to pounds to get the grand total.
Usually in grocery shops in the UK you'd often only see prices in shillings and pence in the 1950s and 60s though.... even if the price was more than a pound.
@@CA-ee1et adding and subtracting pounds, shillings and pence is ok on a piece of paper or in your head if you are good at it,.... but have you tried division... to divide your 1960s UK company's profits between the cigar smoking shareholders of the day...?
@@CA-ee1et £20/3/5
People have been saying Things were better in my day since the first humans got offspring.
I remember watching these at the time.
God, old money does my head in. I've never been any good at maths. I don't know how my parents generation ever coped with it.
Everyday use of pounds, shillings and pence, wasn't difficult if you grew up with it... basic addition and subtraction... however more complex accounting was cumbersome in L.s.d.
It’s nothing different to anyone who used it. If a bread cost 0.0.2 1/2 - that was your reference point. To some counting in French is counterintuitive - when you don’t have another word for 98 than 4x20+10+8, you just accept that’s the word for 98.
It was easy.
I wish there were still LSD shops...
I bet thousands of old farts were like this in February 1971! I wish I was a bit old to remember it. I was only three days old on ‘D’ day! 😜
Which makes you to be in your 50th year - so you're "an old fart" in a lot of people's eyes.
Milkman of human kindness at 5:18 will leave Gran an extra pint nudge nudge wink wink say no more!
Why is he wearing a skirt?
It's an apron, silly.
@@TryptychUK You have to excuse the Junior Garcia fella; he's a Mexican.
David Tenant really is a time lord 😂🤣
@@jamesb8305 (I'm glad I wasn't the only one who couldn't get that comparison out of my head - good LORD he looked like a clone of David!)
When I had an early 1970s edition of *Autumn Term* by Antonia Forest the money was explained in one of the front pages.
@WildWestGuy1 Hi WildWestGuy, thank you for the clarification about the crown. I never knew it was only used for special issues. I'm glad I could have asked for change for a ten bob note. I know what you mean about a poundswoth of petrol for the car and get three gallons. Here in the U.S., gas is about 3 dollars - it might increase to 4 with the mess going on in Libya
The change to decimalised money was UK's biggest NON-event of 1971. Crumbs! It was all over by 4 o'clock, and was a big anti-climax, considering how much it had been hyped-up beforehand. Indeed, the big news of the day was how much of a problem the change over had NOT been!
Now, it is true that some of the old folk had a little trouble to begin with, especially the ones who'd never been abroad and hadn't had to deal with different money.... but the rest of us made a point of helping them out with getting their change right.... and even they knew what they were doing after a week or two.
Bit like the Millennium Bug then.
No one ever knows if a successful easy change is due to advanced preparation or the fact that it wasn't a big problem in the first place.
@@MrDuncl Someone at work said about the millennium bug "All that fuss over nothing. May as well not have bothered."
This didn't go down well with the volunteers who had worked over the New Year to prevent problems.
@@gilgameshofuruk4060 My Akai video recorder actually did suffer from the Millenium bug since they forgot that the year 2000 was a leap year. Consequently from March onwards the days didn't match the dates. While a computer program could be easily corrected there was no way to do it on the VCR. Regarding the person you worked with they probably went on to run the IT at TSB www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/01/tsb-computer-meltdown-bill-rises-to-330m
@@MrDuncl Now you mention it, that happened to my VCR. It wasn't actually the millennium bug though. The makers all used the rule that 00 years are not leap, because leap days actually put a bit too much "extra time" in. So every 100 years it gets taken out again by having no leap day. But it takes too much time out a d every 400 years we have to have a 00 year with a leap day.
There's probably a much more understandable explanation on the internet somewhere.
awesome
People were saying one new pence instead of one new penny for years.
Forget marijuana dispensaries, back then they had LSD shops!
I was actually in England at this time. I simply couldn't understand how some people thought 12 pence to a shilling and 12 shillings to a pound was somehow simpler than 100 new pence to a pound.
there were 20 shillings to the pound not 12.
holydiver73
Yep, you're right. Just reinforces my point about how confusing LSD was.
One good thing (perhaps the only one) was the number of divisors 12 can be split in to 2,3,4 and 6 whereas 10 is only split into fives and twos
Depends what you've been brought up with I guess, anything can seem normal if everyone else is doing it, and everyone hates change.
Tobias Fox does that actually matter?
Prices were rounded up and the sizes were rounded down, that's what I remember
My house still looks like this.
aw I love the visit from the cheeky milkman :D
Hi BFI,
Thank you for putting this video of the Decimilisation of the British pound. I wish they had kept the old system, and I'm an American!!!! It was easier to understand. I've never been to Britain but I always wanted to use shillings and pence, half crowns and threepenny bits so I could ask "Do you have change for a crown?" Now I can never say that.
A crown was 5 bob, it didn't have it's own coin (It did have in the middleages)
5 bob was two half crowns.
You could ask a shopkeeper for change of half a crown, which was 2/6, 30 old pennies. I just hope the shopkeeper didn't give you your change in farthings, then you would have 120 farthing coins in your pocket. The most you could get in new coinage for half a crown today, is 12 new pence.
BTW the "three penny bit" was never called that. It was called the: Thruppenny Bit. I still use "thruppence" for 3p.
@@connoroleary591 I was born weeks after the changeover but loved the shillings and two bob bits that remained in circulation throughout my youth. They were black days in 1990 and 1992 when the 5p and 10p were shrunk, depriving us of the joy of using the old coins.
There was something beautiful about Pounds, Shillings and Pence. Anyone agree?
@John King - no way, I was so glad when we got rid of that archaic nonsense but then I've been a remainer (eu) all my life...
I loved it. It made us different and there's nothing wrong with that.
@Charles DuBois A chain is 22 yards - the length of a cricket pitch. Just in case you want to join the rest of the civilised world and play.
Let's not forget guineas. How much was a bloody guinea worth?!
@@annother3350 £1 and 1 shilling
:-( I wish this was the complete show but I assume copyright prevents it from being fully uploaded!
Gran from on the buses !
@Larkinchance Both I and my mother-in-law do. My parents don't though. He doesn't delivery early enough for them. 9AM milk delivery is a bit poor.
Gran's obviously having a bad trip.
With 240d in a pound and 12d in a shilling and 20 shillings in a pound, I'm glad I wasn't born until 1973 as that would've been a complete head screwer. Happy to be a child of the post decimalisation era.
The milk was 26/6 which was £1 6s and 6d which by my reckoning was the equivalent of 318 old pence. so to now get your milk for the handsome price of £1.32 1/2p is more of a bargain as they were paying less than half of what they were before.
Now I wish the weekly milk cost £1.32 1/2p
Its actually the same. The old sixpence was exactly 2.5 new pence so 318 old pence divided by 6 is 53. Multiply this by 2.5 new pence and it is 132.5 so £1.32 1/2
It's dead easy when you grew up with it. I'd still have no problem reverting to old currency, even though I was only 16 when it changed. It's similar to feet and inches, but with a further third level.
@@CrankCase08 Same age as you. I took public exams later that year and gave the answer to a question as 80 mph instead of 80 km/h.
@@colindant3410 That would be a bit odd, considering metric lengths and distances hadn't even been introduced into general usage at that time.
@@CrankCase08 I can assure you that that is what happened! O-level Maths Syllabus B (UCLES) June 1971
This reminds me slightly of nowadays with the pandemic and everyone being encouraged to not use cash if they can. The store I work at we have been helping a lot of older people who up until now only used their card to get cash at the bank learn how to use the debit machine and the ones with things like arthritis have really become fond of tap because its a lot easier for them to pay in one motion than taking out and putting away many bills and small coins
AND IF i STARVE I SHALL WRITE TO THE QUEEN! (almost headbutting the boy)
I understand the decimalization of the currency, but what language are they speaking?
Sounds like tongue-tied Cockney to me.
Blimey geezer, dontcha know the Queen's bleedin' English?
Pounds, Shillings and Pence - I would prefer the old system. There was something special about it, with the coins having their own special names. Farthing, threepenny bit, a tanner, a bob, two bob bit, half crown. I like them.
Why do they have the peephole on gran's bedroom?
In case she overdoses on all that LSD.
It's clearly the keyhole
the seventies were so stylish a decade
I think the furniture was a bit naff pre Habitat.
where can i get this bfi dvd?
Oh man, I totally need a creepy Cockney milkman.
My dear ol' nan loved her LSD.
she's addicted to it and she cried...
If she dropped her purse full of pounds, shillings and pence on the sidewalk, did she drop LSD?
(Or should I say £sd?)
Under the old system there were 480 individual prices between 1/2d and £1 0s 0d. Under the new system there were theoretically 200 individual prices from .5p to £1.00 - but in practice banks didn't recognise .5p values, so there were only 100. Some people have blamed the reduction in individual price points for the inflation that followed, although I don't quite understand how that works.
+Lee Mendham Presumably if an LSD price needed rounding to convert it to a new pence price the retailer or bank tended to round the price fractionally up, to favour themselves, rather than rounding down to favour the consumer, thus the consumer paid marginally more for anything that had been priced at an LSD price without a precise conversion. All this marginal increases in price would have led to a marginal increase in inflation (though the people you mention would appear to be suggesting a larger effect than would have been caused by this).
The maximum you could lose in any given transaction was 0.6 of an old penny.
Do you mind pointing out any of those LSD shops my good man, I need to top off.
The dad reminds me of Bruno Ganz!
...and that is why we now have care homes.
Librae, Solidi, Denarii
Featuring a visit by the 10th Doctor
David Tennant was only born in April 1971.
Being born in the 90’s, I thought it was quite funny that we used Harry Potter money in the olden days, lol.
As an adult, I now understand it was just part of the metrication of all standards, to align us with Europe as we were losing our Empire. The French once tried metricating clocks! (100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, 10 hours in a day) imagine that.
My 1 pound coin that I came back with from London in early 2016 is now out of circulation. I am ruined.
Grandma's a real cowboy.
Im sure the mother is Patricia Driscoll who played Maid Marion on TVs Robin Hood, and was on Watch with Mother.
You are correct, it is Patricia Driscoll. Maid Marion to Richard Greene's Robin Hood. God, you must be as old as me!
Michael Roberts - don't know about that but I do remember the time when I could only speak like Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men!
A shame it isn't complete.
+William Huff I'm sure plenty of us would love to see the rest somehow. I don't feel like flying over to BFI's HQ to see the rest.
+Christopher Sobieniak I don't think I'd do that either, but as I will be in the UK next June, maybe I will go there to see it. :)
William Huff That would be nice! I know the BFI has quite a great library of films.
The good days
Fuckin' granny, she's awesome! She doesn't understand death does she. If she starves, she dies......good luck writing to the Queen!!
This granny is from On the Buses
It is interesting to compare the British transition to Decimal Currency in 1971 to transition in Australia on 14 February, 1966 (and New Zealand in 1967.)
(See czcams.com/video/5ZTeWLA1LAs/video.html and czcams.com/video/Y6JawKH2yaQ/video.html)
In Australia (and New Zealand) the transition was made MUCH easier by NOT adhering to the Pound as the major unit of Currency. There the existing Pounds (£) was split into 2 Dollars ($). Therefore, 10 Shillings became 1 Dollar so 120 Pence became 100 Cents.
Hence, the only coins which became "obsolete" were the penny (and Half-Penny, which was STILL in circulation) and the Three-Penny piece.
So, the only new coins which were "needed" in large quantities were 1 Cent and 2 Cent pieces. However, large numbers of new 5 Cent, 10 Cent and 20 Cent coins were produced, although they were exactly the same size and value as the "old" 6 Pence, 1 Shilling and 2 Shilling (Florin) coins. (While the old coins were "silver" the new ones were cupro-nickel. (The silver derived from melting the old coins went a long way towards paying for the process.)
The conversion of £1/6/6 or 26/6 to $2.65 is much easier to comprehend than £1.32 1/2 AND the coins used could be the same ones - or "new" ones of exactly the same size.
There were no either £/S/d or $/c shops in Australia. All shops traded as before, with change being given to the nearest Cent. Getting enough "small change" out to traders all over Australia in time for the change-over was a vital planning consideration.
The complication in Britain was largely caused by the Government INSISTING on sticking to the Pound Sterling having EXACTLY the same value before and after the change - presumably, so as not to upset foreign holders of this currency!
Plus, they did not want to call it a "New Pound" (of half the previous value) or, worse, a "British Dollar".
The milkman seems to be deliberately trying to confuse her. He also looks very happy that she's alone in the house. Is he even a real milkman?
@TheRenaissanceman65 I would have spoken more slowly and broken the calculation down more. 'The pounds don't change. That leaves 6/6. 1 shilling is 5p, so that's 30 + 2 1/2... ' Only once she's got that would I cover the subtraction and maybe point out that 10 shillings are 50p.
His advice to pay more and let others work out the change while sound might be counterproductive as she's basically anxious about losing control and independence. Letting her family check up on her might also be the last thing she wants. They already have a spyhole fitted in her bedroom door!
The little boy using the spyhole to peep at granny is the best part!
Madagascar and Mauritania are the last two remaining nations with non-decimalized currency. 🇲🇬 🇲🇷
TheRenaissanceman65, I know, but...
Even Madagascar’s and Mauritania’s currencies don’t really have their non-decimal subunits anymore. 😅
@TheRenaissanceman65, I know. I was just sharing an interesting factoid...😛
@WildWestGuy1 Hi WildWestGuy, I'm sorry it has taken two weeks to reply to you. When I checked into CZcams, I found out that I had to link my CZcams account to Google and couldn't access my CZcams account. I finally got the time to do that and have linked my CZcams account to Google and have access to my account again. About the gas, you're right that it converts to $9.50 a gallon. The misery!!!! Hopefully, it won't get worse with the tsunami.
Sure, laugh now. But just wait until we all have to convert to the hexadecimal system!
Doris hare “mum” from on the buses.
26 and 6 sounds a lot less than £1.32 and a half, even though its the same amount. The word pound probably scared people.
I prefer the old money style.
Is that why he didn't say the old amount as £1/6/6?
Gran's right, her times were better times. But one thing can be said for 1971, how cool would it have been to have Dr. Who coming around to collect the milk money.
Pounds, Shillings and Pence - I would prefer the old system. There was something special about it, with the coins having their own special names. Farthing, threepenny bit, a tanner, a bob, two bob bit, half crown. I like them.
It's "mum" from On The Buses, lol. I can say from watching older British TV shows I was thoroughly confused with the old system especially when terms like "half a crown" or "florin" were used. But then I didn't grow up using the old system so that's understandable.
I never did take to decimalisation. Still, I’m not one to make a fuss
I'm sure they are. It's almost non-existent in the US these days.
Gran must have been on L.S.D.
Is that milkman related to David Tennant? Even sounds a bit like his version of dr who.
It's the 10th Doctor who went back to 1971.
David was actually born in 1971.
In the late 60s anyone knew about LSD
I suppose it's a bit like people trying to understand bitcoins today.
lsd shops? sounds like a place where you can buy that drug lol
I wouldn’t want to take a *trip* there.
Now that we have the British using decimal currency, the next project is to teach them to speak intelligible English.
Shirtless - thas nowt wrong wit way wi speak tha nose, it's just that posh folk av summat wrong wi the earing!
What's a milkman?
I still hear the milkman pull up near my house in his electric cart now if I'm up at 3am. It was quite ghostly the first time. You never see them advertise
Wasn’t Sean Connery a milkman for a while?
What episode of Doctor Who is this? Lol
Why are you calling it Doctor Who?
Apparently grandma didn't get the decimal point
So how much is the granny's monthly pension- 1000£11s11p maybe? Whoever said that LSD system is easy to understand now in 2014, he/she's must be... (fill the blank yourself)
I would've just put granny in a home tbh
Poor Granny hasn't got the point at all.
No, it was the 7-Elevens.
granny needs a slap
@elton1981 Ahh, we used to have them here in the states but that was long ago.. Maybe the SuperMarket cartels did away with them?
...or you could just relax and use thorium reactors :D
PS, my last comment is directed to jazzx251. Sorry frillington!
It's as easy as feet and inches - simple and highly divisible. Maybe frillington is a bit too thick to understand.