How I got SCAMMED buying a Plymouth Superbird online sight unseen (So much broken/missing)
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I would like to note that the auction site that I purchased this car from has been very helpful through the process, and went above and beyond to refund the $5000 buyer commission they made. I would certainly keep buying from there, but in the end, they are reliant upon the sellers to provide accurate information to create their listings. They are just a go-between, BUT do way more to help their customers than Ebay or many other big auction sites.
Good to hear
Sounds like Wizards quote was about perfect trade to make sure it was sorted by him in the end 👍🏽
Since inspecting the underside didn't reveal signs of the rebuilding, how certain are you that this is an actual superbird and not just a nose cone, wing, and vin plate slapped on a regular roadrunner? I'm worried you might have gotten screwed more than you think
@@badopinionsrighthere It was disclosed both at Barrett-Jackson when this car sold in 2010 and here that the floor and drivers side door was replaced among other things, so it would make sense that we don't see any thing. The vast majority of restored 60's-70's Mopars had rust issues with these kinds of things replaced, yet we don't call them partial re-bodies?
CrypticPortal I have great experience on eBay. Never buy something that looks to good to be true.
For those that lasted until the end of the video, I want to shart by saying thank you so much for watching. I am really looking forward to making more skid marks and stomping the gas once this super bird is sorted, with it's horn tooting mightily!
Your autocorrect turned Start into Shart Hoovie.
Might want to edit that ;)
Shart. Oops!
That was too funny. I literally rewound to see if I heard what I thought I heard...
I'd shart by making less skid marks in your drawers and make more with the Hemi lol! Gotta love autocorrect!
Also, Wizard's poot at 26:41 got me lol!
@@bakabana8969 could just be a joke considering what happened at around 26:40 🤣
I'm amazed that someone who owned a real Superbird could still be such a hack.
Someone with money can own anything they want. Even a hack with money. I've found through experience that most very wealthy individuals lack the common sense that the rest of us have.
Likely the guy bought the car already done and the guy before built it and sold it without driving it. The new owner likely fixed issues with the fresh build cheaply as they came up.
These videos are usually so annoying with too much joviality and not enough car, but I LOVED the way the repair bill was open, public and broken down - great stuff
Not disclosing the issues is one thing but stealing the memorabilia that was supposed to come with it was pretty low!
Yeah that's bullshit, and blaming the shipper for it is even worse. If the seller wanted to keep them why not just list it with the car, I doubt it would have made a huge difference to the price.
Hoovie should sue that asshole. You cant sell a car for 130k who rides and runs that bad.
Yep
This is so low u have visit or send a visiter.....does anyone think this would pass if it happened in 70s?...I promise this would correct itself
"...but PLEASE don't go and look him up on 'bring a trailer' and harrass him, that's capital 'B' then r, i, n, g then a space then 'a' then the word 'trailer'..."
How is no one talking about 26:42 when the wizard dealt with his own compressed gas. Tyler held it together like a champ!
Beautiful car and nothing but love for you both!
Yes ok I am not crazy when I heard that.
I was asking myself if that was what I thought that was
The wizard got excited and opened up his internal vacuum pump.
Wizard’s meep meep works!
I took it back 3 times to make sure I heard it right...then watched Tyler's face turn SO red! How they kept their composure is beyond me!
I can't imagine buying a car of that scale without thoroughly checking it out myself !!
DING-DING-DING!!!!!!!!!!!
it was just to make for a better vid!!! this is by design!!
and that's not at all set up like most B-Body's like my 1968-70 aka what are you doing crazy 😜
@@richardprice5978
Huh 😳?😳
@@ssnerd583
Sadly.
It only made him and his buddy look Clueless 🤤
@@My-Pal-Hal that has a poorly 💩 thought out and executed maga force front system and a WTF back system as it feels like the parts canon 💥off ( i like the full length 1955 packerd T-bars/QA1 but that me ect. 2C ) and the oiling systems is?? 🤔🤦🏻♂. not my car but most of it isn't how i have mine 70 charger and yes im working on doing the 4.5"-crank hemi+TR6060*+8-3/4(3.2 gear) swap for brakes full willwood and a 91 jeep XJ hydro master cylinder 👌aka i skiped having a vacuum pump and im running turbocharged boost + lumpy high lift cam .600"+ and is a A/C 🚘ect. any other questions id be happy 😊to tell how mine is set up or others around me
Thank you for sharing your experience of buying a car this way. I've learned a few things from it. After hearing about your experience, If I ever buy a car that has extra provinence included with it, like this one was supposed to, I would have the seller box it up and ship it to me separately with a tracking number. It's too bad the seller was a d-bag, and ruined your experience. It's still a solid car you ended up with.
The fact that David compressed the suspension by pressing in the inner fender and not the exterior fender shows his experience.
no one ever said the car wizzard is dumb...dull maybe but not dumb
For a short moment I thought “Who is David??”… I can only remember him as WEEEEZAAAARD.
@@ThijsSchnater David Copperfield is his real name. hince the weezaaard name
Alterkation front ends are shit.
@@ThijsSchnater Who is WeeeZaaard?
I love how Hoovie doesn't need to call an uber when he drops off a car because he always has something else waiting for him at the shop.
Except for the first time.
It's all scripted. He knows well in advance what cars are ready.
@@stevenf927 I'm aware. He waits to drop something off when something else is ready. Nonetheless, he's always got at least 5 cars at the wizard's lol...
@@stevenf927 wow you’re a genius
I absolutely enjoy the calm discussion between you two. So much better than the ranting that we usually hear from mechanics. Instead of bashing the previous owner, etc. you just move on and do what you can to fix it. I get so much more info and enjoyment from it. Thanks!
I live near Philadelphia, PA and bought a classic Honda motorcycle from a seller in Texas. Very low mileage for a 20 year old sport bike (5100), and he did send pics galore upon my request. Funny how those pics didn't show any of the damages. Bike had fallen over at one point and the body panels along with the mufflers suffered because of it along with MANY scratches and chips in the paint. With shipping I invested $8100 for a motorcycle that was worth no more than $4500. Nothing I could do about it so I have "licked my emotional wounds" and have decided to do a complete restoration on it this Summer.
Obviously not in the same league as this Superbird situation , but I know how sellers can be total liars and scammers. I will NEVER again buy ANY vehicle I don't look over in person. Lesson learned.
An online car sale with false and omitted details? How could this ever happen?! 😐
i will never trust what i read on the internet again, so disapointed
@@breakshot7451 I think the two spam replies prove you're wrong. 😉 Oops! it's now four spam replies!
I am aghast.
@@mistersquirrel0 Ahhh. The wonderfull smell of robots in the morning. (or, whatever time it is) The darkweb is casting shadows like the moon on tera!
@@mistersquirrel0 but, but maybe there is a beautiful sex slave who wants me, in my neighborhood, don t you think
The people who sell these cars should have their money held for at least five days until the buyer has time to check all the things that the seller stated that was ok . If he lied then he does not get paid and the car is returned, and is banned from selling the car at any other auction
Good idea!
Buyers need to do pre purchase inspections
That's called escrow and even buying drugs off the dark web will have that but not a cat buying site? The world's crazy.
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Then all the risk would be on the seller - who would want to sell a car when the buyer can drive it for a week and then come up with any excuse to bring it back and transfer all the costs of the transaction back to you. Or take it to the track and break it and then return it for a full refund. If you are buying a car you go look at it yourself or have someone you trust go look at it, especially when it costs 6 figures.
i just found out about this channel, and so far its pure comedy gold. love it!
Thanks for making me feel better about my own recent hooptie purchase, a 1995 Buick Riviera. I can't wait to see more Superbird updates!
I love that car!
Frankly I'm worried that it's not the actual superbird, but instead a VIN plate swapped on to a roadrunner. I would have no faith in the seller or anything they have vouched for. Especially since inspecting the underside didn't reveal signs of the rebuilding, I would want to make sure this is the actual car you paid for
That’s very likely. Shitty seller for sure
yeah, looks like a fake aftermarket body on a completely different chassis.
Guy's probably sold the same car several times, cashing in big on each.
Yea I also think so
Hello. The car is in the registry. You have no idea what your talking about.
Agreed, I would 100 percent dig deep into that to verify it. That was the first thing I thought when looking at the bottom of it, too.
The seller sounds like a scammer, good on BaT for taking accountability and doing the right thing.
135k instead isn't all that bad.
@Oskar Dirlewanger 🤦♂️🤦♂️😭
ye its definetely not the last owner who restored it
@Oskar Dirlewanger I asked over on BAT for the trunk gutter VIN. No response. That told me everything I needed to know.
He should have mailed all the paperwork and souvenirs separately as I've done in the past. Seller sounds really fishy.
This was one of the most fun Hoovies episodes that I've watched, Loved it!
Never seen this show before, loved it! Great to see a real expert at work, seems like a nice guy too!
A lot of people here do not know mopars. This is a 70, the vin is stamped into the radiator core support, also its under the rubber of the trunk seal. Easy to check. IF they started with a standard roadrunner then they would have had to swap out the entire rear window plug. Look for the factory brackets in the trunk for the wing. Look for the factory limiters welded to the trunk hinges so the trunk does not hit the wing. As for vacuum the pump is where the battery used to be. On the factory car there is a "can" under the battery tray that was a vacuum reservoir. Even if you have a fairly wild cam it will work. Only when you hit the extreme it will need the pump. My guess as this was a race car there was no can and a wild cam. So their answer was to slap a pump on it. The entire front suspension is non stock. It has an aftermarket K member so there is no torsion bars. That's why it has coil overs. It DOES have the factory boxes in the rear suspension that only came on hemi cars and verts. I'm armchairing this is a real car with extensive reconstruction. But 5 minuets of hands on research would verify that.
Hello fellow Mopar guy, I thought the same on checking all the stamped vins as well. The BaT listing is a bit concerning, though - "This 1970 Plymouth Superbird is said to have been crashed in a race in the 1970s, and it was reconstructed with parts sourced from a Road Runner during a three-year refurbishment that concluded in 2009." - Makes me think it IS in fact a vin swap, and the body-stamped panels will tell the story. Hope it to not be the case...
VIN comes back as a 69 GTX
This guy sounds like Graveyard Cars, awesome post❗❗
You just answered my question, I just hadn't seen it yet.
My thoughts on the vacuum/canister were the same as yours as well.
@@twRage96 And you believe that BS story?
This really brings back memories. A friend of mine had a green Hemi Superbird back in high school. I find it interesting to see what parts look familiar and what clearly wasn't on the original car. That chin spoiler was impossible to keep from getting dinged. The headlights had a canister of about half a gallon with vacuum so that you could open and close the lights two or three times with the engine off before they stayed permanently open. I was counting the leaf springs at the rear to verify that the passenger side had more than the driver side. The original car had torsion bars, so adjusting the ride height was a simple matter of turning one bolt on each side. The car would look better with the original shape of exhaust tips. I want to keep following this story.
Good catches, Scott. One of my cars is a 1982 Corvette that still has the pop-up headlights working fine, original. Have never heard a peep, maybe electrical more than vacuum. Never had any reason to look since they work fine. You saying the rear springs were not paired, but different for the original car? That would be a new fact in our books, but it might make sense with the torque imbalances. Big Car. Yes, the front end was always dinged because when you pulled into a parking spot you always over-shot it forgetting you had that front nose. Please share more of your thoughts here in the coming weeks. Love it, my friend.
Hemi supervised in High school? Damn was he rich or where cars cheap?
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@@alveyjohn The spring packs differing was all about NASCAR and not about torque of the engine. Cornering load going left puts more load on the right of the car. Gotta love the homologation cars and all the silly stuff that make them fast in the series they raced but piss poor road cars.
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Hoovie, that thing is bad ass. Enjoy it! I'm happy for you that it was pretty well sorted and u didn't get taken to the cleaners. Wizard is the man.
You've got a great attitude in regards to the seller. Reminds me I've got a lot to work on. Thank you
Tyler, the areas of the frame you were inspecting around the 19 minute mark are actually aftermarket subframe connectors. The Mopar unibodies of this era never had anything frame-wise running under the passenger compartment. Looks like a pretty nice kit was put in, rear torque boxes were added to the rockers as well. That chassis is definitely strong now, a definite requirement for that modified Hemi.
I cannot currently remember whether the superstock cars had full sub frame connectors on it, I'm thinking that they did because the engine actually sits further back in the superstock cars than it did on the stock cars. I know this because the actual balance was 45 percent rear to 55% front. It was as close to a 50-50 balance front rear has Chrysler ever made I do believe. Large torque boxes would have been stock on all Hemi cars and all convertibles. Front suspension appears completely aftermarket.
@@44hawk28 You are correct superbird superstock cars did have a full sub frame connectors.
@@44hawk28 Where are the torsion bars?
The whole K member is aftermarket, tortion bars replaced with coilovers, the steering box was replaced with a rack and pinion, the upper and lower control arms are aftermarket tubular, and what looks to be a Wilwood brake kit.
All Hemi cars, 6 pack cars (including TA Challengers and AAR Cuda’s) and all convertibles had factory torque boxes. Hemi cars also had special snubber reinforcement plates so the rear ends didn’t tear a hole in the floor under repeated launches. Hemi cars also had extra steel rectangular inserts with holes for bolts to pass through where the front leaf spring brackets mounted and they had triangular rear frame rail reinforcements welded in back where the rear spring shackles mount. All those things should be present if it’s a real car, but the assembly lines were notorious for quality control issues, so they sometimes missed a thing or two. And as mentioned, that car has aftermarket subframe connectors welded in snd thats one thing ALL Mopars can use. Greatly stiffens up the car. With all my chassis reinforcements on my Cuda, I can Jack the front corner up and the rear follows, yet I can still open snd close my door perfectly. Before the reinforcements, the door sagged so much it wouldn’t even close, the body flexed so much.
I have no idea why someone would put in a vaccume pump to operate the headlights when an aftermarket electric motor for the Superbird headlights is available, one for a dodge charger is $600. Also you know you have a car problem when you can't remember what expensive car you've bought and are underneath
Can we stop with the comments leading to adult websites, please..... It's really annoying. We all know it's gonna lead to a virus....on your phone or PC
Nothing was said but I'm wondering if the pump(s) is also for the power brakes.
@@xsleep1 and air conditioning. Those are the 3 big vac draws in these cars. Headlights, brakes, ac.
@@illegalmachine that is true, all this old cars utilized the natural vaccume of the engine for a lot of things
@@harleyrobertson6746 report them
Beautiful car! I'm sorry you have found so many problems. Dodge used to use a plastic vacuum ball that gave kind of a "reservoir" for the vacuum. My 1992 Dodge Dakota had one. The vacuum pump is a ridiculous add-on, especially hearing it over the rumble of all that muscle!
$3,400 to fix the car and make it enjoyable to drive is an absolute bargain. Hopefully as you start putting miles on it nothing else rears it's ugly head. Oh, and the gold wheels rock. Reminiscent of the gold wheels some NASCAR teams used back then.
@Rob A. Stamped steel wheels can be painted gold.
@@davelowets I believe they were actually of the lotusodelltoid type to effectively reduce side fumbling.
That floor makes me think it was a complete rebody (Vin Swap)...you need to check the secret Vin numbers on the driver side trunk drain. (Under the water seal on the driver side) Also the radiator support will have the other hidden vin. Also look to see if either of those parts (the radiator support or that part of the rear trunk) look like they have been "fiddled with". High probability it was a total rebody. I'd also get rid of that remote oil filter...too many 1 dollar parts that can fail and kill your engine.
Agreed. I would want a Mopar expert to check over the details of a high dollar car. I find it hard to believe a hemi four speed bird is hacked together like that in light of it's value and rarity
@@mattg7952 I honestly have no idea what it takes to be put on the superbird registry. How do you know it was verified and by whom, Galen Glovier? That floor looks completely replaced and thus sketchy.
@@Arthagnou There are several companies that make replacement floor panels that are stamped exactly like the originals and an expert metal man working in a reputable restoration shop could replace it so well that it would fool even an expert.
@@AVB2 I am aware of AMD and several companies that make new floors, but a partial floor replacement and a total replacement is a significant difference and aside from all the other things he wasnt told, id be sure I had a real superbird
@@mattg7952 Well, the vin tag may be listed on the registry... I'm not even sure if there is a registry for these cars that's universally recognized. I find it real hard to believe a hemi 4 speed car got resto modded. A "racing'" super bird street car? If it was NASCAR, ARCA or USAC stock, there would be a paper trail adding to it's value. Bring a trailer has sold a few 440 birds that were well documented for more than what this car went for. At one time, though maybe not now, someone would have paid that money for a documented hemi 4 speed wreck to give a rotisserie restoration. I still stand by my opinion that he didn't get the car he thought he bought
Hello Tyler, Do you actually believe that someone would leave a valuable signed item in the vehicle and all visible before shipping it in a carrier? What a crook that seller is.
Yes, an honest seller would have put loose items in a box in the trunk. And would have disclosed the many issues with the car.
Should have been boxed up discreetly in the trunk, labeled, spare fan shroud
Love Hoovie's Tech-Speak... "Yeah... that was quite a 'Whoosh'"
Seeing wizard genuinely happy about a car always makes me smile.
I'd absolutely report the seller to BaT, because that's about 100 miles past the line of reasonable 'minor details' missing from an auction listing. Hell, my overly pessimistic side would be sorely tempted to look into legal action (against the seller, not BaT, to be clear) to recover some of your expenses here.
/updated text a bit after reading Hoovie's reply
Hoovie got hosed
The auction house has been great through all of this. Refunded their fee and did take some action on the seller. In the end, though, they are just a go-between that is reliant upon the seller providing accurate information.
They are literally an auction listing site, and it's worse because they curate their auctions to be cosmetically acceptable. If you have something that is valuable, but looks trashy, bringatrailer won't List It. This is in part on the seller for being a scammer, but also for bringatrailer not doing their homework. I have always looked at bring a trailer as a curated money-laundering site. Cars there typically go for much higher than street value, and much higher than any other auction site. There have been many horror stories about people that bought cars bring a trailer, and found out later they had been scammed, and bring a trailer will not take responsibility, even though they had some function in curating the auction, because you can't just list anything on bring a trailer.
@@HooviesGarage I feel like these cars with issues are the ones that go down in value during a downturn in the markets when only the more pristine ones retain or increase in value. I know this from my days collecting vintage guitars. Anyway, hope things turn out well with this one. Best of luck!
@@HooviesGarage Ah, I see. Good to know BaT's folks are being responsive and assisting you in this matter though. Looking forward to seeing this rare bird get all sorted out! :)
And thanks for the reply of course. Hope you and yours have a Happy Holidays.
"I bought the cheapest Superbird" "There's so much wrong with it" That's probably why it was the cheapest lol Great video as always!!
It wasn’t the cheapest he said
First time to the channel. Enjoyed the video. Subscribed!
Knowing where this is going, seeing you hope that the issues with the care are something cheap and simple is both heart-warming and harrowing... :)
Did the Wizard really just "toot" his own horn at 26:41 after he said horn? You can even hear him strain to do it.... Huge kudos to both of them for not breaking character lol
Watch Hoovies face! He is trying to hold it in which Wizard obviously did not!!!🤣🤣
It’s got the hemi torque boxes the Dana (and a lot of after market stuff that a normal person wouldn’t swap out the original parts if it were an original hemi super bird) But unless it’s a a mess under the nice paint,seems like a decent deal . I’d find a hemi 4speed and an original suspension etc etc if it’s an original hemi super bird car.
Hoovies face @ 26:47......lmao!
A couple things I'm seeing. The front suspension has been taken out and replaced with a tubular set-up instead of the torsion bars. Framerail connectors were added. The beams that run under the car parallel to the doors are not stock, but this is kind of a common thing to add to a modified Mopar to stiffen the chassis. It looks like adjustable traction bars have been added to the rear end, they aren't needed on a Mopar.
Front nose is probably fiberglass
Had some janky wheel hop from a start as well
Did you know you were getting a car with a complete aftermarket coilover front suspension and rack and pinion steering? Great if you were looking to go resto-mod. NOT great if you thought you were getting an original Superbird!!!
Frame rail connectors? Doesn't that car have a full perimeter frame?
@@dieselyeti Nope... came from the factory as a unitized body. This one has a lot of additional steel welded in.
Sorry to hear about your experience. Your story is a perfect reason why we offer and preform very detailed and digitally recorded pre-purchase inspections that all goes to the prospective buyer. Over the last 30 plus years we have seen countless people bring in a vehicle that they bought in a similar fashion only to learn that what they bought is not what they thought they were buying. Any reputable seller will have no problem letting you have an independent third party professional inspection. Just because an inspection discovers deficiencies doesn't mean the sale still can't go through it only means the buyer has a higher level of transparency and knows what they're getting into. Plus the inspection can work as a negotiating tool so that both parties can win in the transaction.Thanks again for sharing your story.
Very nice video and I learned something too. Thanks for posting this as well.
Don’t think of it as the car having lots of problems, think of it as the car coming with lots of extra content.
Its got all the DLCs
His formula for success.
He's said it before: if he buys a car that's super nice then he gets a super nice car. If he gets a piece of junk then he makes money on the content. So it's a no lose situation
Well said!!! He'll make money on the U tubes videos on trying to make this fake hot rod run.🏎️🏁
If only you had a great mechanic to perform a pre-purchase inspection on your purchases!
Just kidding Hoovie, we love your content for this exact reason.
Actually, it would be pretty cool to see the Wizard make a trip out with Hoovies to do a pre-purchase inspection. But otoh, I'm sure that would be a huge logistical challenge for Wizard's shop too.
Great video. Felt a little Beavis/Butthead like at the end. And...He said one pump. LOL.
You can tell the wizard is a down to earth super good dude , into repairing car because he loves cars …….. puts off that good energy that he could never price gouge your eyes out
fun fact! The real track raced versions of these cars are easily identifiable. they were so low in the front, and so raked, with an extreme wheel and tire package, that that the top of the fender had to be cut out. Leading to the scoop you see in the center of the fender. the production cars built for sale to the general public, had the scoop, but not the fender cut out. there was no reason for them to be cut as they had a different wheel, tire, suspension package entirely.
Good stuff @Hoovies Garage, thanks for the honesty and documenting this from a buyers/clients prospective. it is very enlightening to hear as a builder. Happy Holidays!
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A fun fact disclosed in the previous video.....
It was actually used to let air out. The misnomer of it being for the tire rub is just false.
@@mattg7952 Fiction. It was to let air out. NOT tire rub.
@@rickyrudd28texacohavolinef2 not according to richard petty. i watched an interview in about 92, where he disclosed this.
Having been a Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth technician through the 1970's building MoPaR's to current, this Plymouth should have been inspected by someone with vast technical knowledge with Chrysler products. I would have personally flown to the location and inspected this car. I would have taken it to a shop and rented a lift to do an inspection on this vehicle and I would have gone through it with a bore scope along with a body and frame magnet and led light before making a purchase. I have done this for many people to include vehicles that I have purchased. Short of buying a new vehicle I would not buy any vehicle without doing this.
Yeah, but when you have money, and your intent is to show this very thing, why would he?
The fact that he got a 'titled' superbird is all that matters.
Everything else is academic.
He will get every penny back, and then some.
I believe he is just earning a dime on the education and entertainment of others.
But hey, your sales pitch is spot on.
@@tonyincs A "Salvaged" Title!
Obviously good points for a normal collector. But in this case being a car bought specifically to make a video with for a 1.33 million subscriber CZcams channel, he can take the risk and not do what you suggested because any problems the car comes with is a topic for a new video. I mean, it's been a week and the video already has 1.1 million views.
It really is irrelevant what is wrong with it. How many of these are left? Pay up and be happy about it. -- Mopar owner.
Agreed. Or even a person with ANY car experience could have spotted 75% of the assorted issues with this car.
I remember clearly the first time I saw one of these. My dad was a massive Chrysler and general car fan, he was also a fighter pilot in USAF. We'd drive around and if he saw something interesting in the rearview mirror, he'd give me this comedic fighter pilot type Bogie approaching from 6 oclock> speed approximately 75 mph etc etc. He always made me say roger- acknowledged. Anyhow, one day he got super excited (even more than, when we saw an original Mercedes gullwing 300SL) So as this Superbird goes by it was literally like what I imagine seeing a UFO for the first time would be like. I was absolutely gobsmacked by that front end and that gigantic wing. Cars back then didn't have "spoilers" back then, so it was utterly fantastic to see. He rattled off everything he knew about that car, which was just about everything. This was before the internet. He was constantly reading car, science, tech magazines and books. He was an aeronautic engineer by education and sometimes it seemed like he knew everything. Unfortunately, my dad my hero passed away December 23rd as we were getting ready to kick off into Kuwait for the 1st Gulf war. Anyhow, that car is like a movie in my mind. After I left the USMC I was lucky enough to get a job working in Silicon Valley tech and several successful starts ups later I can buy absolutely any car I want, so I may need to get one of these. Miss you Dad.
Your ole’man sounds like an amazing soul
Loved reading your story I met the super bird at the international auto show in Chicago 1970 with my dad he’s been gone over 30 years still my favorite Mopar
My brother had a 69 Road Runner with a 383 HP, his horn always was the funniest sound on the car. Good buy and you have a great mechanic.
The silver lining is that Hoovie is going to get six months of content from this purchase. There will be more problems found, then a VIN problem identified followed by an investigation episode. If it is correct great, if it is fake, he has content making it right.
Then it'll make a great vinwiki episode later, too!
@@DaddyWarlocks hahaha banking off if it’s a shitty car or not
Ironically, the CZcams series will probably do better if it's a fake and he got scammed than if it had just been a cheap, clapped out Superbird that needs fixing. He may make more money in the end even if it's only worth half what he paid.
1,000,000% there’s problem with the VIN
What do you mean by 6 months of content? You mean he's going to make a video on this car every day for 6 months? He'll make a few videos, then the car will get parked and eventually sold, like pretty much everything else. We'll only see it in the background, up on the rack in his garage after its fixed.
I'd ditch the vacuum pumps altogether and run a vacuum reservoir instead and see how the brakes & headlights operated before shelling out $1500 for another pump.
Yep. The pump is BS. All you need is a functioning vacuum tank/system and a line from the engine.
@26:42- da hell…? The look on Hoovies face, though… 🤦🏼♀️🤣😂
M Uncle bought one of these and had it in Gastonia NC and when we would go anywhere in it, the front had a tendency to drag when you went in the driveway. Also, it was SUPER common for car dealers and enthusiasts to persue down the street when we drove it.
Perfect occasion to bring Dennis Collins to verify it authenticity. Wouldn't be surprised, if it's a glorified replica. Maybe with some Superbird original panels with the VIN numbers, but with a new custom sub frame, or using a Plymouth Road Runner as the starting canvas. That mint condition floor panels are very suspect. Plus the mods as the tubular front suspension.
You got it , the floor panels smell too clean look foreign.....
@@johnb4183 exactly. The sub frame seem also spotless. As it was brand new. Wouldn't be surprised the race incident, was an excuse to cover up the rebuild. Using a brand new sub frame with some original Superbird panels. Maybe using a magnet could be the starting point to check all the panels. And bring up a Superbird Expert to check it out.
Hemi cars never had A/C and the dash is from a factory A/C car. This car is pretty fishy.
@@KrisKincaid The dash pad looks like the vents were cut into a non-stock A/C pad, they resemble a stock A/C dash, but they are not exactly the same.
@@RogerM88 Since they are uni-body, there shouldn't be any "factory" frame rails on a b-body mopar. Those are likely the laser cut U.S. Car Tool frame connectors. I put the same ones on my Super Bee. While not factory original/correct, they do a great job of stiffening up the car.
You always handle these situations in a commendable way, even though I know how frustrating they can be. Congratulations on another awesome car though! I have always liked these.
He wasn’t very nice to the car wizard when he oil changed his AMG with trans fluid 😂😂💀
He spent 130.000 dollars sight unseen!
He's happy it has issues, it's all content..
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This mechanic is the mechanic that anyone would be lucky to have. You can tell he is a great mechanic.
My friend here in GA is the last surviving worker from Creative Ind where they worked on the Dodge Daytona prototype in Detroit MI. I remember when these sat on the car lot for long periods because nobody wanted to buy them.
Unless you’re rich, never buy a car sight unseen. At the minimum, get a pre-purchase inspection done and independent inspection, less you like paying too much for a sham
I disagree, it all depends on the situation and what your buying. It’s obvious that the best scenario would be able to look at it or have it evaluated but even that’s not fool proof. Problem don’t always jump out at you and can rear their ugly head as time goes on and at the end of the day your still trusting someone else’s word with a pre-purchase inspection and not everyone has the same agenda as you. Your increasing your odds but it’s still a gamble. Again yes those are all best things to do if the situation allows but sometimes you need to jump on a deal and take that gamble. Point of all this is If you are willing to accept the consequences if things go south then more power to you. A person doesn’t have to be “RICH” to do that and it not be “paying too much for a sham”. With all due respect In a way this speaks more about you than it does the car practice of buying car. We all look at the world differently. 😬
He got $5,000 back for a few faulty shocks and other bs
@@jaydoesstuff9807 should be asking for 50k back
The reason why the seller is avoiding you is probably because he bought that during the last peek and was hoping it would continue to go up and up and up in value. He lost money on his "investment" and/or he realized he was probably going to die before the next peak.
Hold onto it Hoovie! Cars have only been around for like a hundred years. It will be interesting to see how these dips and peaks continue to play out as the era's roll on by.
Haven't the 20s and 30s high value cars dipped in value?
@@geepuller1 not anything insane like an authentic Dussenberg model J , Rolls-Royce phantom , or Mercedes SSK. Those things are beyond unobtainium .
I'm not really into the market of 70s supercars - but isn't a restomod worth substantially less then a genuine 70s car? This should not be a bully - I just want to know, could a well done restomod like this still could get into the 6 figure value, even with a bad title - I assumed this was bonkers.
@@marcus_w0 Yes but restomods were really popular 15'ish years ago. Every TV show had them. It makes sense how someone could do that to a salvage titled car.
@@geepuller1 I think American cars from that era has hit their lowest point and from here on up the bubble grows till the next pop. Once you start seeing a bunch of TV shows you'll know it's time.
When new, most dealers struggled to sell them. A few dealers even removed the aero package in order to sell them.
I recall seeing these new in the showroom on Santa Monica Blvd. as a 15 yr old kid and thinking "what a silly looking car" . Of course I wasn't yet privy to the racing scene and the necessity of looking the way it did. I only wish now that I'd been able to talk my father into buying one of those rather than the 1965 Sattilites with the 318 2 bbl he did buy new and later became my first car. It's ironic that just one checked box and a coupla hundred Xtra dollars at that time, for instance when buying the 65 sattilite if he'd checked the 426 hemi or the cross ram engine, it now is a difference not of a coupla hundred but a coupla hundred thousand. Lol
Is the Superbird club (registry?) a reliable resource for this car's history? Shouldn't the VIN be stamped on various locations on the frame, etc.? I think Hoovie going through the process he used to prevent being completely scammed would be a good lesson for those who might want to purchase something like this.
Vin would be on the radiator core support and the trunk seam around where the weather stripping is. It has some important things that make it look legit. The back glass and the torque boxes for the leaf springs are important details that say it’s legit. There are only 1500 of these ever so it’s not hard to track if it’s real or that the vin came from a real one at least.
A lot of Superbirds don’t have the rad support #. They all have the trunk gutter #. The VIN is legit.
There should be a fender tag on the driver front fender that can be decoded.
@@digitalrailroader the fender tag is the easiest thing to fake.
@@LittleHippie09 I noticed that the tag on Hoovie’s has been riveted to the inner fender, and watching Graveyard Carz and seeing that the factory used screws, something seems extremely suspicious about this car.
This is the perfect way to buy an amazing car like this: It's no longer "pure" so it's not really collectible so it's cheaper to buy, and then it's already not stock so you can modify it and make it handle, stop, and drive like you want! I say Bravo!
Couldn't agree more. I have no interest in the obsession with absolute original. That would only make me not want to drive it. I'd rather buy a mediocre Satellite, plop a crate hemi into it, and build it to my tastes.
@@VanceMacdonald Yes! I have an automatic alert on bring a trailer for C4 Corvette's. From time to time you'll see like "172 mile 1993 ZR 1" and I just think "Man someone could have driven and loved that car!" Instead someone just looked at that car…for 25 years!?
Exactly this. When it's no longer "pure" go bananas and really make it your own!
@@VanceMacdonald yessir!
Crank the torsion bars back down. And yes,it it very adjustable.Oh,they took them out for the coil-overs. Poor car! Oh,by the way you did very well with the purchase. It's been fairly extensively modded but they aren't getting any cheaper and last I looked they ain't making any more so enjoy and keep the shiny side up!
12:54 Wizard banging the suspension down is so funny for some reason
Nice ride.. but one thing ive learned from working at my grandpas bodyshop is that no matter what car u buy theres always something that will stick out..
Strangely enough, if he had disclosed some of these issues the car would have still sold for a similar amount….
People posting spam are the scum of this earth! Worse than all the trolls combined. Don't respond to them it's a scam to get your email account.
@@weirdmatter tbh they're not people.
@@weirdmatter plot twist: it's Hoovie
He said the auction company gave him a check for $5000.00 which was their fee, and it sounded to me the mechanic was going to charge Hoovie about $5000.00 to fix the car. Sounds even Steven to me.
I must be getting old when someone has to explain who Richard Petty is to their audience :)
Definitely mate, I'm not even American and he needs no introduction for me!
Right! Hell, some don't even know his brother, Tom
Who ???
That's a bad joke.
@@Mr.Robert1 So bad it's a Heartbreaker
Great video and glad the problems weren't major fixes and I wanted to recommend that if you want a classic Dodge muscle car either rebuilt or just buy one that's done already that you can get one from a good place called Graveyard Carz. He also has a CZcams channel and you each can do a video together.
Love how pasty white and smooth your hands are... never done a hard days work in your life, money smart doesn't make you life smart... as so often proved on this channel...!
The issues seem relatively minor, making the lack of transparency seem totally pointless. BaT definitely came out on the right side of this with the refunded commission. Congrats on the birb, Tyler!
I agree with your comment the issues aren't horrible most people that own these cars now buy them as investments believe me Mopars aren't driven like they used to be if they get driven at all driving to the car shows in warm no rain days don't come close to slamming from neutral into drive at 4000 I wouldn't doubt if this bird wasn't bought at a good deal or a guy wanting a return on investment and may not of even went over it may have never touched the bird listed it as it was as he acquired it or bought and hadn't gone over it and needed to raise cash and listed as it was what I'm trying to say is alot of these cars are bought and sold as a commodity not for the love of these amazing butties
@@duwanemcknight8842 I wanted to share these with you . . . . . . . you can use them where needed. If you need more, I have plenty.
Yeah, but if you spent $130,000 on a car you'd be annoyed if Information got left out. Lol
A $500 car, you expect it
A $130k car they better be more transparent than prescription glasses! Lol
To me, the lack of disclosure that the front suspension is non-existent is a significant one. Just my view.
Don’t forget the few grand worth of vintage nascar and petty stuff that “disappeared”. I would have lost my shit on this deal.
I worked on a late 40's-early 50's cadillac with a hydromatic transmission. When we looked for the fluid specifications it called for a whale oil base transmission fluid. Luckily dexron was an acceptable replacement.
Type A fluid. Still see it around California
Lol, this one was a funny video when you were driving.
Love watching your videos👍
That car is awesome. Minor issues for a car in that good of shape. The $5k you were refunded should take care of that work easily. The missing memorabilia sucks though.
Seller was and is a real 1OO% pos. An embarrassment to REAL lifetime Mopar collectors.
Tyler, you are right about KARMA. Your videos are so widely watched, it will be on the screen of someone who knows eventually. You simply don't hide bright orange SUPERBIRDS from everyone, and relatives, friends, neighbors, etc. know who and where. You have the right KARMA, enjoy your SUPERBIRD and let your videos do the rest for you. Good Luck man!!!
The problem with Karma is you are very lucky to see it occur even when it does.
Hoovie might wanna get a paint thickness measurement tool out. With so many hidden mechanical flaws i wouldn't be too surprised if half the body work is just filler.
That's what I was telling one guy in here. If I was spending more than 10k on old cars I'd have one
I'd be willing to bet that this car is going to offer a ton more, uh... "content" in the future.
Who else just watches Hoovie when the algorithm throws it up & you just know he's done something that presupposes childhood head injuries, extra chromosomes, and a head start from his parents - but you know you'll get a giggle, so hell yea Tyler! Or whatever doods name is.
Keep on keeping the Wiz in biz!
You know you have a good mechanic when he can tell you what oil is coming from where by smell and taste
I was gobsmacked to see this car pop on on my feed. My dad traded in my mom's 66 Impala SS and bought a Superbird. That's the car I learned how to drive in. I tried to take my driving test with it but the car was too long to fit in their parallel parking area. I ended yup using my dad's 66 Grand Prix for the driving test, still a big boat but it fit, if just barely. Thank you for this trip down memory lane!
I took my drivers test in a ‘76 Cadillac Eldorado w/ the 500 cid engine. Yes I flunked parallel parking & left turns. But passed the test overall. Sounds like you have a cool family of car lovers.
My mom bought a new ‘65 Marina Blue Impala & my dad traded in his ’57 Chevy for a ‘65 Chevelle 327 4-speed.
I hate that you can’t name drop these pos scammers without fear of legal retribution.. people suck
He can name drop. They can’t sue as long as Hoovie says “it is my opinion” before making any statement.
I’ll name them. Ntocars Flushing Michigan
@@jefferyepstein9210 how did you find this out ?
@@jefferyepstein9210 Holy Moly!
@@michaelmaas5544 BaT shows past sales and so its obvious on the site which car hoovie bought especially with those wheels and the fact that only 6 superbirds sold recently
I saw Mr Petty about a year and half ago. He comes to Regina Saskatchewan. Used to have his motors built here....I actually had one in my 1971 Trans Am. Regretting not getting a pic. Really nice guy
New subscriber here! Congratulations on a wonderful car! Love your attitude!
Great to see it all run down smooth! I’m very happy for you and hope the car comes as a good luck charm and all those minor problems don’t turn into headaches 🤞
When I was 14 years old I saw both Plymouth Superbirds and Dodge Daytonas race at Dover Downs in Delaware. Richard Petty won the race in a Superbird. Richard's teammate was Buddy Baker who broke the 200 MPH barrier at Talladega in a Dodge Daytona. I have always loved these cars. There were several other drivers that drove either the Daytona or Superbird at Dover during that race. Interestingly, I remember sitting in the stands and closing my eyes. To me, the Superbirds and Daytonas sounded so much smoother than the other cars and even with my eyes closed I could tell when one passed the front stretch. A side note: I learned firsthand why Richard Petty was called King Richard. He was the epitome of a sports hero and would seemingly stand patiently until everyone got an autograph. I will always have a high regard for the man. Perhaps you could send him a letter requesting that he sign the cover for your glove compartment. Good luck and God Bless.
LET'S GO BRANDON
Hes dead
I have a 1966 Chevy Caprice 2 door hard top and it's normal for it too start to overheat in the summer when idling at a stop light especially when its over 90 degrees outside. If you turn on the heater full blast it helps remove heat from the engine. Sounds crazy but it does help. Of coarse adding an electric fan and better radiator would help too. But I don't drive it that much anyway.
I'm actually a big fan of those 'Nascar D-Hole" wheels. They look the part on the car, and the fact that they are blinged-up a bit being gold, is actually nice. I wouldn't change them. So some things are right about the car. I think the builder tried, then ran out of money for a car of this level, then gave up.
I almost bought a 1970 Plymouth Superbird, also with a 426 hemi, in 1984. I wish I had...
It was pretty beat up, had exactly the same front suspension issue, had a recent white paint job (with tons of Bondo), the rear "frame" was rusted through, it was missing lots of pieces (like door locks, ignition lock, trunk lock, trim pieces, etc) and the owner had recently spent a few grand upgrading the motor (MSD ignition with rev limiter, new Holly carb, new "¾ race cam", new headers and exhaust, new very heavy clutch, etc.). He had a dyno printout showing 503 HP, which in 1984 was considered insane for a street car.
Her was asking $2500. I offered $1500. He came back at $2000 and we never settled on a price. The reality was every penny to my name, at the time, was $1625 and he wouldn't take it.
I did call him back after my next paycheck two weeks later, but he had sold it for $1750. $125 away from my offer......
It is very strange to see a second Superbird with the same suspension issue (although Hoovie's one is in much, much better condition). In the car I was trying to buy, the owner had installed lowering spindles that were so low the oil pan was scraping. He also mentioned his ¼ mile times suffered too, because the lowered car couldn't transfer weight like stock.
By cranking up the front coilovers, so much the shocks were topped out, he said he was able to get close to his previous ¼ mile times and solve the oil pan scraping issue. The ride was unbelievably horrible, bouncing along just liked Hoovies car.
I wonder if the same issues affected Hoovies car (oil pan scraping after lowering spindles were installed so the owner cranked the coilovers up all the way and beyond)?
Love how the wizard actually looks like he is processing after he tastes the oil, like some sort of cyborg mechanic. Not my type of car but extremely impressive nonetheless.
I love this guy. Thank you for the entertainment.
I am 70 years old. I had some Mopar's back then. I can't remember what you call it. But Mopar's had adjustment under front where you could drop the front to the ground or jack the front up like a gasser. It road a little rough but did the same as your Super Bird when you pushed down on the fender. At that time I had a 1963 Plymouth Belvedere with a 69 Road Runner Engine and four speed that we raced on the street.
You should invest in some fierce VIN investigation while also hiring an expert in the car to examine the body panels and frame to make sure it's not a glorified kit car.
Only if it all checks out should you sink money into it. Should there be any fraud present, then save that money for legal action.
Yeah, make sure all the vins match.....
Wizard is possibly the most reasonable and knowledgeable mechanic I’ve ever seen
Beautiful car....Problems with cars is just the nature of the beast, sometimes more sometimes not. Thanks for posting.
Glad you mentioned that it's not overheating...
The shocks blowing out is a common problem with that aftermarket style front suspension on a mopar. The factory k member and torsion bars are what gave you the softer ride in the super bird you drove before. If it were me I would put that style back in the car. Remember the factory went over 200mph on that setup so the engineers knew what they were doing.
Won't fit with those headers is my guess.
@@eefneleman9564 I have a 68 road runner with a 572 hemi and they make headers for that. I'm not knocking Hoovies car I have a modified suspension under my car also but I kept the factory k member and used Hotchkiss torsion bars and tabular upper and lower control arms with wildwood disc brakes front and rear. Hopefully the new shocks work for him and he is happy with it.
Somewhat ironic that a car that was made strictly to go in circles would have a bad turning radius.
Could it be that the circles it goes around are HUGE and you barely need to turn the wheel? Ask someone who has driven one of these cars..... ME
Reminds me of my old 1970 hemicuda and hemi Coronet. I used to build and drag race 426 hemis. That electric fan setup isn't going to move enough air to keep your hemi cool when not moving. The low oil press could indicate worn main bearings. Not fun, but replaceable. The ride was like there's no shocks up front. The original torsion bars suspension would be much better. The headers look like Hookers headers.
Yes, please add a video after the car repairs are completed so we can see and hear the finished product and enjoy it with you.
Petty won NASCAR in 1971 - Bobby Isaac won it in 1970 (with some of those races in a winged Charger Daytona). Minor point, I admit.
The Miller American Buick Bobby Allison raced In NASCAR had gold painted wheels. The gold wheels Aero race wheels look excellent on the Superbird, much nicer than the stock plymouth rallye wheels. Coil overs modern steering rack, sway bars, Tremac transmission, remote oil cooler are all fine upgrades.
And Bobby Allison was 2nd and 3rd was the independent racer James Hylton.
And the regular ‘70 Charger won the most races... 10.
@@dand3975 If done correctly.
@@drippinglass Really it was the Charger 500 from 1969 since it used the same exact tunnel back plug to make the rear glass flush with the back of the roof line on the Charger. There was a few 1970's but they was the minority over the more aero built 500's in the series during the 1970 season. It was the inferiority of the 500 against the Talladega and Cyclone twins that the Daytona and Superbird was made.
Stay away from modified muscle Mopars. This thing had a BUNCH of red flags on it the second you lifted the hood. This needs to be gone through
and restored to stock to realize the true value. Loose the aluminum radiator, all the "Custom" and "Race" junk from the engine. Loose the headers
all the non stock interior stuff, the traction bars, the electric fuel pump.
This makes this Mopar guy cry. So much wrong, Oh well.
I agree that poor car needs a factory resto.
@@21Piloteer The original engine is long gone as is the original K member and front suspension. We don't know about the transmission whether it is the original one or not so the car cannot be returned to numbers matching original.
Always respected a talented guy who spends a lot if money on his shop and not for his office. At my first job millionaire owner would always give us money for repairs but had an office with a worn out 50 year old leather sofa and paint. He said I rather reinvest my money in the plant.
So glad you made this video. If you got ripped off on BAT well anyone could get ripped off on BAT. The prices have gone through the stratosphere.