Changes I'd Love in the Paper Mario Thousand Year Door Remake
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- Paper Mario The Thousand-Year Door is coming to Switch next year in a stunning, beautiful remake with some changes already present. So I wanted to list off roughly 12 changes I'd like to see in this modern rerelease of The Thousand-Year Door.
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Music:
Excess Express at Dusk - Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Freezy Fahr Outpost - Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Welcome to Yoshi Village - Paper Mario
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:40 One
3:33 Two
7:16 Three
7:49 Four
9:03 Five
9:46 Six
10:05 Seven
10:58 Eight
11:33 Nine
12:00 Ten
12:46 Eleven
13:24 Twelve
14:24 Outro - Hry
Really hope the other PM64 partners get their cameos reinstated alongside Parakarry and Lady Bow.
Also Luigi’s adventures being playable could definitely make the retail price even more worth it.
Parakarry is in the trailer he already had a cameo
@@gumpyflyale2542I know that. Reread what I said.
A lot of the backtracking is baked into the story of certain chapters, but they could at least add a return pipe akin to SPM to make things more convenient. It'd at least make the troubles WAAAAYYYYY less of a headache.
That is the main thing people don't mention too, it'd be a little tricky to sell warps or cuts to the backtracking when it does sacrifice some narrative weight in certain chapters, mainly 4, somewhat/partially 2 & 7.
@@SuperMarioT Honestly; SCREW THE WILD GOOSE CHASE IN CHAPTER 7; That's easily the WORST Part of TTYD as a Whole!!
IT'S A HUGE WASTE OF TIME; AND THE GAME WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT THAT ****ING SEARCH FOR GENERAL WHITE; WHEN THE GENERAL WAS IN THE VILLAGE YOU STARTED AT ALL ALONG!!
@@New3DSLuigi364at least until like sticker star it’s a funny gag and not poor game design
@@genzsavedamerica2234 IT'S NOT FUNNY AT ALL; IT'S A HUGE WASTE OF TIME; THAT'S VERY INCONSIDERATE FOR THE PERSON WHO HAS TO WASTE ALL THAT TIME BACKTRACKING; ALL FOR NOTHING; EXCEPT FOR PADDING OUT THE GAME AT THE PLAYER'S EXPENSE!!
@@New3DSLuigi364it makes me laugh 😅
I want to see Prince Mush in the post-game Glitz Pit. He's pretty hyped up as the OG champion, so I wanna see how this Toad fights.
The things that I want are:
- Paper Luigi game mode
- Fast travel, specifically for Chapter 4 & 7
- More side quests
- The rest of the 64 partners make a cameo
- New badges
- Option to replay the Bowser's levels
- Added back the unused Shadow Siren fight in chapter 6
- Hard mode
- Boss Rush
- Museum of concept art
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door + Super Paper Luigi
we got the concept art and fast travel
no new badges basically confirmed except for the music one which doesnt count
If there’s one thing I want, it’s to give Ms. Mowz a buff. Not to the point of her being hilariously broken, but I don’t want her to be nothing but pointless filler. Give a buff to make the side quest to getting her worth it by making her better.
One change I'd like to see is swapping the Bowser Fight in Glitzville with Jr. Troopa from Paper Mario 64.
Bowsers appearance in the chapter never made sense to me and always felt kind of random. I think a fight with Jr Troopa fits the surprise so much better and ending up in Glitzville just makes sense with the character.
Chapter/section replay!
Here’s my idea:
After each chapter, if you stand on the pedestal of the TYD ruins, a ❗️ would appear. Press A to pull up a chapter menu and select a chapter to replay. Then it would lead to another menu of sections from that chapter.
Ex: Chapter 3
-Play Whole Chapter
-Welcome to Glitzville
-The Minor League
-The Major League
- The REAL Crystal Star
Give Ms Mowz a good and needed boost.
In chapter four when Mario lose his body, they could create an alternate route, like after joining forces with Vivian and they investigate they discover a secret pathway towards creeple steeple that connects with the town, it is a shortcut but it is also dangerous.
And the final showdown should be in the town, so everyone could see who the real Mario is
I know this would never happen, but it would be sick if on repeat playthroughs you can randomize the badge locations like in Bug Fables
Incidentally, the Flash game _Epic Battle Fantasy 5_ has some Custom Game options in the deluxe versions; one of them is Random Equips, which randomizes the locations of all equips (but doesn't change what equipment _types_ appear in the normal places; e.g., swords will always be swords).
The search for General White is an unfortunate video game meme at this point, but allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment and say that both it and the Creepy Steeple backtracking actually does have narrative significance and shouldn't be majorly changed.
Now before everyone demands I be burned at the stake for sacrilige, please hear me out. One of my favorite details about TTYD and why I love this game as much as I do is because of how real it makes the Mario universe feel. The construction of the world and its npc's really emphasize that this is a world that Mario's adventure is taking place in, not a world for Mario's adventure to take place in. Most of the characters in the game don't have any prior knowledge of Mario or his legacy, despite the few who do know acknowledging his history and past achievements. This again emphasizes that this world does not revolve around the existence of Mario, and that he is not the main character of his reality despite being the main character of this game. Contrary to the name, and unfortunately the implications set by some other games that will not be mentioned here, Paper Mario feels more like the real world than any "real" Mario game has and likely ever will, and that's a great contrast to the platformers that should be welcomed, not scorned, by Nintendo or the fanbase.
What all this has to do with justifying backtracking is that this is an unfortunate aspect of reality that is meant to further immerse the player into the world of Mario and make it feel real. Real life doesn't operate at anyone's convenience, even if it might seem so from time to time, and sometimes we as real people in the real world have to retrace our steps and go back to previous places with new insight that we didn't know we'd need or couldn't have known previously. The General White search even takes this a step further because the reason he was so hard to find was because he was simultaneously searching for you, as per the instruction of Murluvlee after having his fortune taken to guide him down the right path, a service that Mario himself can pay to have at any point in the game. The fact that an npc character is actively traveling the world, using its services, and engaging with other npc's and Mario to fullfill their own life and solve their own problems put the perspective of the characters in a brand new and very real light, showing that every individual has their own autonomy and purpose. This kind of character building usually happens only in sidequests but to have it present in the main campaign is a very humbling and impactful, albeit annoying, message that the world we are experiencing is an actual world, and that motivates the player to want to save it.
I can concede that the backtracking could be streamlined, like maybe rearrange the required characters that help you find General White to more effectively use the sewer warps to reward unlocking them or maybe increase the Amazy Dayzee spawn rate on Twilight Trail during the repeat treks of Chapter 4 so that the time spent can potentially have long term value. But backtracking is not an inherently negative quality that should be removed outright. Now, what I would like to see changed is perhaps the ability to pay the Trouble Center to accept two troubles at a time so that sidequest backtracking can be made more efficient, which would definetely help with the second General White search that is all the aggravation of the first and none of the redeeming qualities.
Anyone remember Prince Mush? Former champion of Glitz Pit?
Secret Super-Boss material right there.
This guy’s fucking spittin’
Chapter 7 if you find white did all the back track u get a REALLY GOOD B ADGE
I would enjoy having postgame harder Glitzpit, sort of like re-fighting the elite 4 in some Pokémon titles, with harder and potentially different enemies.
Also, expanding on the pit of 100 trials would be cool(secret areas within by using bobbery or getting watts and finding hidden blocks that spawn pipes)
Luigi and the Marvellous Compass doesn't have to be a full length adventure. Could have each chapter be maybe 40 mins to an hour? As long as it hits the beats mentioned by his partners and the novels it would be very enjoyable. I think honestly the best part would be seeing what all the locations and characters he meets actually look like. Is Princess Eclair pretty or something else? Are the locations all food themed? Are what the partners telling us accurate? SO MUCH POTENTIAL!!
These are pretty much all the changes I'd love to see. The Luigi one is especially a big want of mine, but I know its not likely.
I've seen arguments that Luigi's journey there being visualized would ruin the joke around it... but they could still make it comedic and a goofy showcase to what actually happened. And even if we don't get a full side campaign... I'd take just visuals added to it or something. Idk. I just always strive for more Luigi whenever.
From what I’ve heard other people wanted was just visuals while Luigi is talking so that way we can see what he’s talking about which we be cool also
Maybe a half-sized campaign with 4 chapters would’ve done it well.
@@thedibblefather9651or maybe when you buy the books of Luigi’s adventures they could come with pictures when you read them
I would love it if at the end of credits a text pops up saying the first flashback of when tippi and count bleck first meet each other. This would basically confirm a super paper mario remake is next becuase that game hasn't been rereleased on other consoles besides wii u virtual console i think.
This is basically a post credit scene but they could just copy paste the texts from super.
I'd love if instead of going back to places we already visited, they made a new part of Far Outpost with some enemies and General White is taking a vacation on his cabin there. I know it's unlikely but it would feel way better and it would be an awesome surprise for people who played the original.
I was just content with that last one you brought up with a Paper Luigi side campaign, but listening to all your other points makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Something I would really like to see is a secondary pit of 100 trials that's much harder than the original. It would be a really good home for scrapped enemies, bosses, and badges. As for the 64 cameos, I think it would be really cool if they cameoed as audience members in the same way Luigi cameos in the audience.
Like Super's Flopside pit? Sounds cool.
I feel like they could make the Paper Luigi campaign work, but it’d probably be on a smaller scale, maybe just two or three main areas to interact with per chunk of Story for Luigi, likely with reused/recolored assets to save time and resources. I dunno, but I could see it working if they kept it on a smaller scale
Oh man...as a fellow hard core, veteran Paper Mario TTYD player, boss rush and hard mode would absolutely make me the happiest man in the world lol! I also hope that Nintendo somehow adds Amiibo functionality to help find certain items easier. It took me forever to figure out all those ingredients to complete the recipe set. At least without having to research it online.
I have to disagree with the addition of the spin dash from 64 being incorporated to TTYD. That would defeat the purpose of having Yoshi, and would probably make finishing the game too easy for speed runners, lol.
Even to this day the backtracking is pretty tedious, especially in Chapter 2 for me personally, those darn Punies scattering like roaches from every enemy in the way, forcing me to fetch them from a completely different floor! OMG it was sooooo annoying!🤣
maybe make the spin dash a late game item, so speedrunners still have to play through most of the game normally and yoshi is not immediately rendered useless for a good chunk of the game
@@glitchyguru6468or an optional ability you can get by doing a certain trouble center quest, assuming they add new ones
My biggest change would be to make badge drops more common for badges like quake hammer, as you stated Power quake and mega quake were removed in ttyd. The upside to that is that you can stack multiple quake hammer badges to make it stronger but the odds of getting a parabuzzy or moon cleft to drop such an item is so low it's basically never going to reasonably happen for you to see those stacked benefits so quake hammer falls off super quickly in ttyd compared to 64.
I am typing this before watching the video to see if we have similar wants
- I want Luigi's Adventure playable as a post-game unlock, even if it's a shorter adventure. I'd make it unlockable because it's funny to hear about it as Mario first.
- I want a hard mode accessible right away.
- A few changes to reduce backtracking.
- Never happening, but a badge randomizer rmode where their availability gets shuffled around.
- New badges that add further customizability
- Both soundtracks
- Make the little critters in the tree easier to deal with
I actually like the idea of bringing some bosses from N64 like Jr. Troopa, Koopa Bros, General Guy and maybe some from Super Paper Mario like Francis, Mimi or O’Chunks!
On difficulty, my hope is they just overhaul double pain to affect both Mario and the Partner as well as doubling enemy HP.
As a reward for using it, enemies have a much higher chance of dropping badges. The original drop rate for badges was astronomically low so buffing it to 3% or so with double pain would be nice.
If boss rematches are a thing you could also get something for beating them with double pain on.
1.) Boss rematches would be cool, and since Super Mario RPG is doing it, I don't see why we can't get that out of this remake either. Maybe it can be accessed via a pipe next to the pipe that leads to the Pit of 100 Trials or something, although if Hooktail were to suddenly show up alive again at her castle, or if you could actually meet Lord Crump again post-game or some weird stuff like that, I'd be okay with that too (where would we meet the Smorgs, though). The prospect of Nintendo and Intelligent Systems bringing in unused bosses and enemies, though... I don't want to dream too big if I'm going to end up disappointed if they don't do it, but damn that would be cool.
2.) My problem with addressing the backtracking is that I don't see how they can do it without completely changing the level design for a lot of areas. It'd be one thing to say "oh here's a pipe so you don't have to go through all that", but that raises a question of when these pipes will turn up and just how far do these pipes go in terms of mitigating the backtracking, since doing this could have ramifications the developers didn't intend. Almost every chapter except chapter 3 has some degree of backtracking, though the most egregious cases are in chapters 2, 4, 5, and 7 as far as I can recall, and in the case of chapter 7 it's mostly because of General White, but the thing about General White is that the backtracking isn't an unintended tedious side effect, the tedium is the entire point behind tracking him down, because it's all part of a gag where White was apparently looking for you the entire time and that's why he kept wandering around from place to place. And that raises the question, should this game remove this segment, the whole point of it being a joke being played on the player, or should the remake preserve the original intent behind this? I don't know, I don't really have an answer to that. I know a lot of players would rather have it just be removed because most players don't really care for annoying jokes played on them, especially if the intent of the joke is to just waste your time, but I can still respect the idea behind this gag even if I know most people would rather just have it cut out.
3.) In-game sound tests are always good. And toggling between the original game's music and the remake's music is something all remakes should do going forward, IMO.
4.) In retrospect, yeah, only being able to do one trouble at a time is kind of annoying. Multi-tasking and being able to accomplish multiple sidequests at once is increasingly a staple in video games, especially RPGs, and I don't see why they wouldn't make this change here (unless they overlooked it, which given that this is being treated as a "new" Paper Mario game after Origami King, I would hope they actually gave everything in this remake some thought).
5.) The spin dash was a lot of fun, and if it was implemented in TTYD remake, it would certainly be a cool way to move around quickly before getting the Yoshi partner. Heck, even afterward, it'd be cool to just move around quickly while having any partner out so you don't have to repeatedly switch to Yoshi and back.
6.) Everyone complains about the Punies... I don't really have any memories of being frustrated with their A.I. but some refinement definitely wouldn't hurt. What I'd like is for there to be some hint that you can use Flurrie to help the Punies when battling the Jabbies, I went YEARS without knowing that tidbit.
7.) I don't know if Nintendo is really in the market for a "hard mode" for their RPGs, but I'd be down with that or a New Game+ if they decided to include one.
8.) Man, I hated that they cut Power Quake and Mega Quake from TTYD, stacking Quake Hammer just isn't the same, especially if you just want to use a weaker version of the same technique and not use up so much FP. I would love it if the remake rectified this, and added more badges to boot! Maybe also include a badge that includes Mario's classic colors (blue shirt, red overalls), and if combined with the L-Emblem badge, it can give Luigi's classic colors (White hat and overalls, green shirt)!
9.) Replay the Bowser segments? I wouldn't have even thought of that, that's brilliant (probably means Nintendo and Intelligent Systems won't actually do it).
10.) That's the first I heard of anything like that, it does sound tedious as a requirement for getting the Yoshi kid back, but as an optional challenge, that would be totally neat, especially if you actually fought the Yoshi!
11.) It's kind of a shame that only Parakarry and Bow were the only ones to show up post-game in the original game, considering all the previous party members were in the game's files. Finding fun ways for them to show up post-game would be fantastic!
12.) I'm one of those people who actually likes the idea of Luigi's Marvelous Compass adventure better being told about second-hand from Luigi, his partners and the Super Luigi books, makes things funnier and more interesting. There are a lot of scenarios described that don't sound like it would translate well to a traditional Paper Mario RPG format anyway. I WOULD like to see this remake include the original Paper Mario in it, and that's why we heard the original game's main theme when we see Mario and Luigi's home, but again, I won't hold my breath on that being the case.
I've been replaying TTYD on dolphin and i just finished twilight town - holy *shit* i forgot how egregious the backtracking is. I think even as simple of a change as making ""shadow mario"" wake up near the beginning rather than where he stands would help the pacing, since you wouldnt have to walk there and back a bunch just to get vivian and find the letter P
One I'd like to see is being able to interact with Beldam, Marilyn, Doopliss, and the X-Nauts post game.
Yeah, maybe they could have troubles in the Trouble Center you get to do for them
I've been really enjoying your videos covering the remake of The Thousand-Year Door, I've even been binge-watching them regularly lol. I love your enthusiasm for the original Paper Mario trilogy, and as someone who very much shares that enthusiasm, I am just as excited as you are for this upcoming remake! Just like you, I still cannot believe that this is the timeline we are living in right now. It just doesn't feel real at all to me, but it is, and I couldn't be happier!
Anyway, one thing I'd like to see in the TTYD remake is for Prince Mush to be an optional boss. If I recall correctly, once you save him at the end of Chapter 3, you never see him again for the rest of the game. Jolene even mentions in one of her e-mails that he's planning to get back in the ring, so this is a missed opportunity that they could easily capitalise on. Making him a superboss you can take on after fighting through the Glitz Pit again would not only be a really cool and fun addition, but it would also make going through the Glitz Pit fights a second time actually worth it. I don't think this is too big of an ask either and I'm sure it could pretty feasibly be added.
Like you and others, I'd also be open to seeing all of the partners from Paper Mario 64 get cameos this time around. They were definitely planned to at one point given their unused sprites in the original game. I actually think this has a high chance of happening given the use of PM64's title theme in the trailer as well as the portrait of all the 64 partners from Super Paper Mario being added to this remake.
I'd also really appreciate if they gave some more context to the Smorg in this remake, perhaps some additional lore explaining its origins. Supposedly, there was meant to be a fight with the Shadow Sirens + Doo_liss in Riverside Station that was cut from the final game, which would have had a scene with Beldam summoning the swarm of Smorgs afterwards, so that would be really good to see, if only so that my boy Doo_liss can get more screen time.
Oh yeah, and I also hope for Ms. Mowz to be buffed so that I can treat her as the unofficial partner for Chapter 6, since she fits the atmosphere and settings of that chapter so well.
And of course, Paper Luigi: The Marvelous Compass could potentially make for a legendary side-campaign, but I think that might be asking too much. Still, there's always the fangame community for that!
I had the idea of the fight involving Beldam and Marilyn, but accompanied by a small Smorg group instead of Doo_liss this time...
They could have some kind of post game Glitz Pit as an extra challenge. Maybe bosses from other games could show up. The Koopa Bros would fit the setting well.
In TTYD there is the "Slow" badge that basically does nothing, so adding a "fast" badge, would help with the backtracking
Spiirrrrn, spirrrrriiiiiiiiiiinnnnn
No, I want MORE backtracking. I want to look at every location atleast 20 times by the time the game is over. I hope, in the opening storybook cutscene, they make me reread the book in order to find a password that lets me on the boat to rogueport. I never want to make actual progress!!!
Although this is far-fetched, I would love it if they expanded on the chapters with the most amount of backtracking (Chapter4, 5, and 7) by simply adding new areas for the player to explore, and re-writing the story of each chapter slightly to include them.
My biggest gripe with TTYD over Paper mario 64, one that I wish fans were harsh about, is the (excuse the frankness), dogshit and uninteresting level design. Despite being on much stronger hardware, TTYD levels almost never make good use of the Z-axis, with most of the game feeling like a typical 2D super mario bros level. The hallway level design here is a MASSIVE step back from the comparatively much larger, and much more interesting worlds in 64, and it's this flaw that produces the insane amount of backtracking in the game.
When comparing chapter to chapter, TTYD worlds are MUCH shorter than Paper mario 64, so in order to compensate, they padded out each chapter with either annoying mechanics in Chapter 2, or several minutes of backtracking in Chapters 4, 5 and 7.
Backtracking in TTYD is a symptom of a larger disease in the game's mediocre level design, with each Chapter being built around it. The only way in my opinion to fix this is to add new areas to many of the chapters to compensate for the loss of backtracking.
Oooh, maybe the Trouble Center can be contacted through the E-mail Receiver...
Your list is actually very good.
My only concern is how will supergaurd work because they’re difficult to do and I heard that the game will be running 30FPS. I would love them to change Doo_liss second phase fight where you need to defeat your party members first then him last because if you defeat him first they’ll just heal him
(re)Used boss: Culex:
"We (meet again), I have made my self 3d, I shall have victory!"
Mario: I'm 2d, I'll still beat you.
Hell,. what of a "4d" type battle with him, start in Super Mario RPG and have TTYD read the save data from that?....
luigi adventures sounds like a fever dream. He has linear levels with his own party members, going through his story.
I noticed that you put a lot of times, the Boggly Woods music in your videos in general (maybe not this one), but I was curious if that is your favorite music track of TTYD?
It's got peak ambience to the song, it's so serene & beautiful & just good for discussions
i really hope they add a boss gauntlet where you can re fight the bosses or x versions of them even though if they do add the re fights id call them the x forms anyways hope there’s an easy mode and less backtracking in the game even if it’s just a boss gauntlet id be satisfied with the remake but anyways awesome video keep up the good work my friend
For chapter 4, the first three tracks through the forest all carry significance to the story and should not be removed. Once you reach the parrot's room though, I'd be fine if there was a switch that unlocks a shortcut pipe in front of the steeple.
I don’t disagree much if at all tbh, but I’m kind of surprised there’s a decent chunk of people that believe the backtracking stuff in most of TTYD adds to the story or feels it’s hardly much of a hinderance or major blemish on the game, both of which are very fair & good reasons imo.
Please refine inventory management, modernise moving items to and from storage. Give us the option to send items straight to storage when our inventory is full and allow us to select cooking ingredients from storage.
I agree on Hardmode & New Game+, as well as _Paper Luigi: The Marvelous Compass._
I'd like the lottery to be changed.
To add to all the warping I think Chapter Five would also be Nice. But rather then a Warp its a Shortcut. Like you still have to get the cola for robbery But after he becomes yours Partner you can Blow up a New Cracked wall to have a Shortcut from there to the Camp to cut down on back Travel. Mostly cause I find using Yoshis Fluttter for platforming the most Annoying of all the hurdles.
Another idea an easier way to farm Locational Items like eggs peaches Mangos and such. and The cooking Cutscene being faster or skipable
For chapter 4 they could have put a warp pipe from the shed to creepy steeple
Red Luigi: "Yep!"
I agree with all of these changes less backtracking, boss rush of some kind or getting the chance to refight the bosses again adds more replayability like the Mario RPG remake, more badges and bringing back some of the badges back from 64 especially the spinner one where you will be able to move around the worlds quicker that would be nice, having the option to switch the soundtrack from the original to the remastered version just like the Mario RPG remake again would be nice, more side quests and a better way to access them, better AI of the puins for chapter 2, more cameos from 64, something to replay the Bowser levels instead of replaying the whole game again for it, And a playable Luigi story and side content would be the cherry on top but I think that is least likely to happen sadly but everything else would be game changing for the remake and hopefully most of those changes happen!
6:04 Absolutely agreed, it’s an important part of the experience to be left alone after the identity theft. It happens so abruptly, I think letting the player have some time to ponder while returning to the town is great!
So I know everyone complains about TTYD backtracking, but sometimes I honestly feel like the community has a collective repressed memory, because SS has worse backtracking in more areas.
We should totally extra warp pipes though. I just dont know where everyone expects to fit them.
Both collective repressed memory and also people just did not play Sticker Star at all. I played & beat it shortly after it came out so I forgot a lot of it, but the fact half the game's total runtime is spent in the Forest World because you're redoing levels to find secret exits & Wiggler's segments is unironically very atrocious. Don't even get me started on Chapter 5 in Super Paper Mario.
Instead of a new Luigi side mode, they can do this thing where when Luigi talks about his adventure and these pictures show up to show us what it was like for him and maybe we can have a little bit of control
I didn't mind the General White chase alone. The issue is that there is NO clear indicator of where to look next or who to talk to next that I can remember. I had to use a forum on my playthrough. Just have him where he was earlier in Petalburg, asleep, and go there from Fahr Outpost, have the captain give you a hint. I like the joke, but at least shorten it.
I don’t think spindash should be in, if it wasn’t in 64 barely anyone would mention it, I say this as someone who played both
As someone who played PM64 and used and abused the spindash because it was there... I always thought it kind of took away from the experience. I'd have easily been content with walking if that's all there was... instead the game gave me a tool and before I knew it, it took out so much urgency out if the overworld.
The remake needs to have the PM64 shortcuts to change partners on the fly instead of needing to pause and flip over to the Partners screen
The one thing I would find interesting is if they tease the next original paper Mario game in this remake.
I'd want Dimentio as the secret boss
Paper Daisy. I want Paper Daisy to make her first appearance or a minor text cameo. I just want her to exist in this universe!
I'll be honest, I don't really mind backtracking in thousand Year Door because on replays you'll know what to do.
Me too largely, but we're not everyone or newcomers. What I'd give to replay TTYD for the first time again though...
These would all be sick.
But I'll still be happy if we largely get the same game.
I totally agree about the General White backtracking. It made an otherwise fantastic chapter pretty obnoxious to actually get going. And also I'd love if they bring back the spin button. I never understood why they removed it to begin with but that kind of annoyed me because I always loved spinning around in Paper Mario 64 and I loved hitting enemies with it to 1 hit KO them once you're strong enough to do so. Also, I really hope they do what Bug Fables did and allow us to take on multiple side quests at once instead of just 1 at a time. I loved the side quests in TTYD but that was an aspect about doing them that I didn't like at all. I love TTYD, but I definitely can think of at least 10 things they can do to make this remake way better.
Maybe they thought it was unnecessary cause you can ride around on your Yoshi partner
I think they should just have him actually be in Fahr Outpost the whole time after you have left the screen. A new player would just follow the bread crumb trail and fall for the "joke" (maybe not have as many locations), and on repeat playthroughs you can leave the screen and come back immediately.
@genzsavedamerica2234 Yeah I guess, and I have thought that before, too. That was my first thought. Although I think spinning around was slightly faster than riding on the baby yoshi, as cool as it is to ride around on a baby yoshi.
@tbpbTB2010 I certainly hope so. Plus what bugged me is that you have to do all of that again if you choose to do that side quest post game that involves him bouncing around from place to place. Like okay, we had to do that for the main story, but now you want us to do it again just for a sidequest? Was annoying. You can find either Entei or Raikou in Pokémon Crystal in the time that it takes you to finally track down General White.
Not being able to rematch bosses is by far my biggest problem with TTYD.
Imagine this... You just played through a 30-hour adventure. You fought the Shadow Queen & thought *"Wow! That was such an awesome boss fight! I wanna fight her again right now!"*
*"What? I can't? What do you mean I can't?"*
*"Huh? I have play through the entire 30-hour game again on a new save file just to fight the Shadow Queen again?"*
*"But... That'll take so long! I wanna fight her again right now!"*
Honestly the most inconvenient & infuriating thing about TTYD for me. This NEEDS to be changed.
As I said in another video, I would love it if they did more with the Doopliss fight. In the original game, at the end of chapter 4, Doopliss faces us with every one of our old party. However, as soon as you defeat him, the fight ends, which is very likely to happen as he doesn't have a lot of HP. In the remake, I would like it if he was a bit more challenging. Maybe he can switch out with another party member when his health gets low, and force us to defeat our own party? Maybe the active party member can revive Doopliss, and you have no choice but to take out your whole party before you can take out Doopliss?
If we could only choose a single thing... it'd have to be Hard Mode. That would be the most significant change that would extend my playtime.
I basically just want the same treatment as rpg. Access to old music, new bosses, boss replays. Only thing i dont want is changes to the battle system like rpg remake did.
Super and Ultra Rank should be a part of the main story, not relegated to side quests. Also add the Spin Dash because I don't constantly want to have Yoshi out during cutscenes since I almost never see the other partners dialogue. Also buff Mowz lol.
Just revisiting areas of Paper Mario 64 would be nice…
That last thing you'd love to happen in TTYD's remake, is one of my most desired inclusion in that remake. All we know of Luigi's adventure in that game, is what he told us about it (although he "exaggerates" details and intentionally leaves some out to make him look cool), what his partners told us about it, and the ingame purchasable books of someone having published stories about Luigi's adventure. We actually see none ourselves of what actually happened in full. And thus, we don't know what Princess Éclair looks like, nor the Chestnut King (I think was what the big bad called from Luigi's adventure?) as the franchise has never shown us what they look like, nor how they speak.
I long ago, saw a mock-up of what a game case cover art for a TTYD remake, would look like, while including "Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass" as a side campaign. Though not actually showing us what it's like. Mind you, that mock-up game case art was made AGES before the TTYD remake announcement. I'd link it here for those who may be curious what that mock-up image looks like, but I've entirely forgotten where I found it.
Now if we are going to get a Paper Luigi and The Marvelous Compass it would totally have to be a completely new switch game all in itself but just from Luigi perspective
I would like to see PVP Multiplayer. Imagine the customizability due to Badge stacking. I know this is asking for way too much, but It would incentivize Buying the remake to those that still have the original and plan to skip
I thought it would be really cool if we got another secret boss fight with Dimentio somewhere, Bonetail is cool, but we have 3 dragon fights. A mixup would be nice.
I've played this game several times. Admittedly, it's been a while since my last playthrough (I probably haven't played since the GCN days), but the backtracking just never occurred to me as a problem. So when people bring it up now, it always feels like a "OK, we gotta find SOMETHING to criticize TTYD on. Uhhhh...backtracking??"
But I dunno, if we insist on "fixing" the General White thing, maybe just add special warps. Like you talk to an NPC and he's like "Yo I'm going to _____" and you say "I'll come with" and then you're just there in the next location General White is supposed to be. (And then the NPCs don't show up anymore.) Something stupid like that. Otherwise I really don't think it's a big deal.
If they do actually remove steps from the General White thing, I do wish they'd have an option to do it the long way or the abridged way, just for the sake of having the original route intact. (I wish they'd done that for The Wind Waker HD for the Triforce shards too. Yeah, that part was tedious, streamlining it is probably good, but the original route should be available too as an option, just for the sake of history.)
And yet Super & Sticker Star's backtracking's anywhere from doubly bad or quintuply bad to where it is an actual problem that makes it *bad* bad. Not even mildly annoying, just actually terrible.
Do you think TTYDR could be a ‘cross gen’ title for switch 2 too?
Backwards compatible maybe but if cross gen, I'd 100% be down if it meant it'd sell more
@@SuperMarioT probably at 60fps for switch 2 version
That would be a decent difference/incentive, at least for a some
@@SuperMarioT I’d say big, by comparison
I think the switch 2 will be Backwards compatible. The skipped the Wii U/3ds Due to Hardware limitations, but the Switch 2 Might not have these limitations in place.
How wilk they remove the P from the Nintendo Switch keyboard?
Forgot this one, but buff Mz. Mowz.
She's the secret partner of the game and she's by far the worst.
-Buff her Ultra Rank HP to at least 30.
-Let Love Slap target foes in the back as well and do 5 damage at Ultra Rank
-Make Kiss Thief and Tease do at least 1-2 damage along with their added effects
-Cut Smooch's FP amount down (10 FP to 4-5)
She still wouldn't be great, but at least be somewhat useful.
Probably won't happen, but nice thought regardless.
There should be more warp pipes to help backtracking
Lore of Changes I'd Love in the Paper Mario Thousand Year Door Remake momentum 100
Is this a Skyrim meme or am I completely lost on what these comments are supposed to be?
Any new content at all would be great
There is a lack of harder difficulty options. There is this one badge that makes Mario take double damage and make him slower, but there is no bonus effect like more coins or something. How about rather than making a badge that gives no benefits, how about a hard mode, where Mario AND partners take double damage, more tricky enemies, with more health, more aggressive behavior on the overworld, etc. Outside of combat, they can change up overworld puzzles and make them harder! Maybe they can add new bosses to the hard mode and new awards! That would be awesome! This mode can be a serious gamechanger and really convince older players to get the remake.
The game also removed Chuck Quizmo, so there are so many really bad star piece locations. To fix this, I would bring back Chuck, where he would function the exact same way as he did in PM64, but after the 20th quiz, he opens a location on Rougeport where you can grind out the rest of the quizzes all in one location for a price, but you can still occasionally see him in towns for free.
The game NEEDS better camera angles that don't make the world look like a set of hallways. TTYD has so many memorable and interesting locations, it's such a shame that all the camera angles for each of these places look the exact same. This is an issue that has plagued every Paper Mario game (besides Origami King actually), but TTYD is the game where this is the most noticeable, I feel like.
The game should also let the player take multiple troubles (side quests) all at once. The fact that you can only do one at a time just perpetuates the issue of constantly backtracking in the game.
The game should also reward you for finding multiple recipes, and I feel like there should be multiple cooks throughout the game, so that it's more convenient to interact with the system. I believe partners should maybe have their own separate item inventory. It would add more strategy and you would be able to carry more items! Maybe 2-3 items per partner or for them to hold 10 but as a unit! That really could add some new strategies.
I think they need to rebalance some of the partners so that they don't have so much HP so that they aren't just meat shields, so let's give the player a consequence for putting the partners in front of Mario. Give them less HP or make them have vulnerabilities in combat sorta like Koops.
Something I would take from Origami King and Color Splash is the interactive world from those games, where it felt like every little object could be messed with. That was always kinda fun to play with. I also liked how expressive the characters of those games were, giving different facial reactions depending on what they were talking about. In TTYD, characters barely emote. Like, when the mafia find out that their boss is sick in TTYD, they sound worried, but look the same as always. Let's also make the characters interactive, where you can whack them with your hammer, but also spin at them and ground pound on them, where they each give a separate animation!
There is so much exposition in this game and it can be a little dull. If the characters reacted more to what they were saying, the dialogue would be less dull, but also how about show some more stuff on the screen when they are talking, so that it's more "show, don't tell"! Like, for instance, on the roof in Rogueport, there is a guy that tells you the lore of the game, but it's all a dialogue sequence, how about they turn that into a cut scene! There can be more instance of that too throughout the game I am sure too! Luigi's stories also come to mind! Recreated cutscenes for those would go such a long way!
In chapter 3, the enemy gauntlet is fun and all, but resting after each battle makes it too easy. If there is a hard mode, they should remove the ability rest maybe, or maybe make each encounter feel like a mini boss. Also, they should tell you what you will encounter beforehand so that you can create a badge setup beforehand. You can also repeat the whole chapter again for some reason that I never understood. Like, I don't know why they didn't even change it.
You forgot to mention the annoying back tracking you have to do in Chapter 5 as well. That needs to be fixed too.
Finally, as a bonus, it would be nice if they added more secrets, badges, optional locations, optional bosses, enemy variety, hidden challenges, side quests, and references to Super Paper Mario and Paper Mario 64 (like every partner from PM64 being hidden somewhere in the game in the post-game)! The original TTYD did have all of these things, but if the remake can not only maintain what was there before, but expand it, then I feel like this can be the ultimate Paper Mario game and perhaps one of Nintendo's greatest games of all time!
The backtracking that needs to be neutered is the finding Frankie and Francesca’s 💍 before Chapter 6
I forgot about that, wait a sec, you right
I love you!!!!
Frankie can probably say "I love you!" 7 or 8 times in one speech bubble; maybe more if the text is compressed in a way that makes it more obvious that he's speaking rapidly...
For bonus points, he could shout the last one like "I LOVE YOU!!!"
I want a poorly translated text option minus the swearing. That was funny
So, mid-cutscene warps to reduce backtracking time spent? Some Pokemon games did this, and gave you the choice to accept the "warp" or not. I don't see why the TTYD remake can't also. Your guess on how they could make this remake of TTYD better than the original TTYD, are nice ideas
Ok. Honestly? Cut down the backtracking in chapter 4 and 5...but keep General White. Yeah, I said it. The whole point is that it's a joke on the player keeping the most interesting looking level away THAT much longer. And really, the moon ABSOLUTELY makes up for it. I don't know. Imo, it was a funny goose chase I think some people take too seriously. MAYBE make it easier to get to all the places, but don't take it out completely.
I think keep General White, but find some way to make the goose chase less time consuming. Even for those not serious, it did just take a lot of time going back & forth to every past location just to access permission to use the cannon.
I know it would NEVER happen, but I'd let players get the Debug Badge upon getting 100%, because, why not
But a likely change I want is, let us go to Mario's house like in 64
I want a dark atomic boo mini boss in the poshly sanctum. Dark atomic boo data exists but nothing functional unlike Super Paper Mario
A boss battle mode would be so fire! freaking Origami King had one.
The backtracking needs to be trimmed down, most of Chapter 4 is running back and forth to Creepy Steeple and Twilight Town.
Chapter 7 is easily the worst part of the game for me, not just the General chase it's the last two rooms in the X Naut Fortress before the boss. I hope they'll make it easier or at least have the save block right at the door.
Having Luigi's adventure be playable would be nice taking notes from the M&L 3DS remasters.
yea and that’s why i think the boss gauntlet mode is the most likely thing to come from the remake because origomi king had one it would make literally No Sense to not add one especially when that was something Heavily requested for the remake but it’s also the biggest criticism of the super star saga remake practically Everyone was pissed and upset that they didn’t add one in the game we are so damn lucky they added one for bowser in the inside story remake that alone makes the remake better than the original in my opinion and the same anger and disappointment will assuredly follow in the ttyd remake if it’s not in the post game because it’s what practically Everyone Wants In The Remake since the remake of rpg has it it would just be a Crime if they didn’t also add one for the ttyd remake
They could add an option to disable/re-enable star points for a LV1/low level challenge runs.
That's not even a hard mode at that point, that's sudden death mode. That locks off a decent number of badges and partner upgrade attacks from being able to be used at all since you start out w/ only 5 FP. Plus, cutting out star points cuts out a good portion of the incentive to engage in fights in the first place.
Not impossible, but I highly doubt this is gonna happen.
In my honest opinion I wouldn't want too much changes 🤷
If there's One Thing I Want from the Remake;
IT'S FOR NINTENDO TO GET RID OF THE ****ING GENERAL WHITE WILD GOOSE CHASE!!
Hum.... I have to say it, I'm not a fan of just giving an optional warp to skip parts of the backtracking, because I feel that this create a different problem of replacing the most repatitive and tedius part of the game with less game. The whole criticism about backtracking is that the game is padding game time by making you travel to the same locations with the same enemies multiple times with nothing new to engadge the player. By removing the padding you sorda just have less game. Kinda like the if you are having a bologna sandwich where the bologna is stale, the solution isn't just removing it and just eating the bread slices empty. I don't know how much they are willing to change in the remake, but I honestly feel like the best solution is to *somehow* make the backtracking more fun. I don't know if that would mean make the enemies of each location changes for each backtracking or creating alternative paths and/or shortcuts that have more content and challagens to deal with, but simply skipping it dosen't feel like it would work.
There's a change that Gamexplain brought up in the remake and it may be rather controversial.
In the original japanese version and some other versions of the game like French, Spanish and Italian Vivian is trans, but in the english version she's just a girl. I wonder if the remake will be faithful to the japanese version or will they censor it again?
I know there's trans characters like Birdo and the Toads have been genderless since Captain Toad Treasure Tracker but I think it's probably okay to make Vivian trans now.
They should definitely make her oficially trans
Here's one I'd love: game overs not taking you straight to the title screen
Maybe but I find that one tough when every single Paper Mario game does this
@@SuperMarioT Origami King doesn't
I just checked, you're right, my b. I guess the 'maybe's' got a decent chance then
@@SuperMarioT here's how I think it could work:
The game over sequence goes as it did in the gamecube original, but after the curtains close on Mario's corpse, a continue screen, similar to the one in Origami King, appears (ofc over the curtains instead of over a checkered background). If you choose the first option the curtains open up to Mario and his partner at the checkpoint. If you choose the second one, it would proceed like the original.
Super Paper Mario only has backtracking in Chapters 4-2, 5-1 and 7-2, I don't think it has more backtracking than TTYD
2-3 is incredibly time-consuming if you do it the intended way, 5-1 has one of the most ridiculous puzzles in the series, and 7-3 takes you all over the place.
You're also forgetting how you have to go back to Flipside right after starting 4-1, and heading back for Squirps in 4-2 and 4-3
Or going back to the Underwhere in 7-1 when you were there before the Chapter in game began, tho that one's a lesser example
I bet Mario’s mailbox sp might upgrade into a switch like link’s purah pad.
Personally I did it think supers backtracking was as bad as ttyds sticker star on the other hand…
Unpopular opinion but, backtracking is a necessity... sure all of us as seasoned game/rpg players (who may have already played TTYD already) want to get to the point, BUT new players and I'm talking extremely new like first RPG ever new need the backtracking for a chance to grind and get levels to get strong enough to progress. A lot of new to RPGs casual players won't ever grind on their own before progressing or have the skills to beat things low level.
(Experience: Being a RPG obsessed big sister getting my youngest sister into RPGs with this game nearly 20 yrs ago... and she loved it and is a gamer still, I'm so proud.)
Grinding is barely needed for the game, and making it more grindy would just turn away many new players. There's no challenge in forcing people to do that, and it's a good think we've strayed away from that as time passes.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 really sick of that argument... it often comes from people who have no experience seeing how brand new gamers to a genre approach a game. Just because you or I don't need to grind doesn't mean it isn't needed. Just like everyone who calls Super Mario RPG for the SF the easiest rpg, I can promise it's only easy in hindsight and it was a rough challenge for everyone who picked it up for being a Mario game, not a Squaresoft game.
@@XiaoPichu Sounds to me like you have a low opinion of people who will be new to this series.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 you could be in the Olympics with how fast you jumped to that conclusion... goodbye.
@@XiaoPichu Why do you think grinding and backtracking aren't possible separately?
I don’t want them to change anything out of fear of what they might do lol
I actually really enjoy the backtracking in TTYD. I don't think linearity is always a good quality in a game.
I'm personally really hoping they just don't fumble the bag with Vivian's story. I don't think they're going to re-localize the game and i especially don't think Nintendo of America would have the balls to make her canonically trans in the US version regardless, i just don't have faith in them to be willing to canonize that, sorry, especially in a remake where the localization was already done for them and they have not been given any reason to believe that they need to change it all these years later, but it would be nice even if they just gave some tiny sliver of a blurb that kind of sort of vaguely nudged people in that direction for her character, even if it's so ridiculously vague and inconclusive that most people can still easily deny it and it doesn't actually prove anything. That wouldn't be the most ideal outcome but i think it's the best we can hope for if we're gonna hope for Trans Vivian becoming canon in the US release.
I'm also hoping they at least update her portrayal in the original Japanese version. I've heard some people say that it's not handled well because they treat it in that really uncomfortable way that a lot of older japanese games handle supposedly trans female character where they say they're just confused "Men" who "Think" they're women and dress up as such. I don't think that will fly in the modern day with how much trans right and good portrayals in media are becoming a thing. Again i doubt they'll rewrite her story that much so i am not holding my breath for the transphobia of Vivian's sisters to be toned down at all but that is part of her story anyways. As long as they maybe change all the text that says she's actually a boy, again, they probably won't go all in on positive portrayal trans Vivian, but if they just call her a girl but Vivian's sisters belittle her and call her a man but the rest of the game is more respectful to Vivian and her identity and pronouns and all that, then maybe we'll be okay for the most part.
Again i don't think they're going to just go full on "Vivian is trans" uncensored and super respectful, i'm sorry, i'm a pessimist, i just don't see Nintendo trying to tackle that issue and instead skirting around it where they have to and just not bothering anywhere where they think they can get away with it, i kinda hope they prove me wrong and welcome it, but the very least i can hope for is that Nintendo makes some kind of effort to handle Vivian a bit more tastefully in the year 2024 and maybe if we're lucky, some bit of text in the US release is changed ever so slightly to kind of sort of hint at the idea that Vivian is maybe possibly trans possibly sorta but really we don't know at all because the text is so vague and doesn't really say anything conclusive but it's something at least.
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The #1 change I want is Vivian being positively portrayed as a trans woman in all versions. No more Japanese version where all characters even the good ones call her a boy, or English version where they avoid the detail altogether. Make them all like the Italian version.
This would be my dream change, I don’t see it happening, but we can hope.
@@Emaagination I have no idea if I'll be able to play modded Switch games anytime soon (my model is a store-bought Lite and I have no idea if my best machine can run Yuzu or Ryujinx), but I'm certain that someone might mod the game to properly make Vivian a trans woman if the English version still doesn't make it official.
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 good point, there’s already a mod for the original game that does that, so most of the work is already done