Which Octane is best for the Honda Ridgeline/Pilot/passport?
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- With Gas prices skyrocketing, it's time to test and see if there is any benefit of using the Econ button or 97 octane over 87 octane fuel. I put the Honda Ridgeline though another rigorous test for your information.
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I really like how conveniently located the fuel door release button is. The Ridgeline has so many nice little touches, I’ve been loving my 2021 RTL for 7 months now.
Agreed. It’s not under your seat like most vehicles.
@@YuriyMotso it is nice to see intelligent design.
Ur test is not correct, you added more gas but still it has octane from 93 ,tank should be empty on both times to get a correct reading
Excellent as always, Yuriy!!!
Useful information . Thank Yuriy!
Info on the ECO button:
"ECO mode doesn't do anything for steady-state cruising. It encourages efficient driving by reducing the throttle gain between 10% and 80% of accelerator pedal position (throttle response when the accelerator pedal position is below 10% and above 80% remain the same). It also allows for larger speed variations in the cruise control and wider temperature swings in the climate control. That's it. There are no magical changes to the engine or transmission that make either more efficient. Instead, ECON mode encourages the driver to drive more efficient by changing the way the vehicle responds to driver input."
Thank you for this test. Very helpul. I have a 2023 RTL I will test with and without econ mode. My 2023 Accord hybrid gets better mileage without econ mode on.
Great info. Thank Yuri!
nice analysis
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A car engine only needs the octane rated in the manual! Adding "octane" does nothing to an engine that doesn't require higher octane. Higher compression engines require higher octane to prevent the fuel from igniting before the spark plug as it's compressed. You are literally wasting your money, only put the octane in that your car engine requires, nothing more! It does absolutely nothing for you to do otherwise. Look in your manual, or on the gas cap! It will tell you what it needs.
Not sure about 2nd Generation Ridgeline.
However the 1st Generation Ridgeline 2006-2014 Octane recommend is 87regular.
It specifically states in Owners Manual when towing use Premium fuel. The chief engineer of Ridgeline suggested using premium fuel all time not only when towing.
A few early year Owners had Ridgeline Meets. He helped organize several and attended. I went to several he was at.
One was at Honda Plant and TRC facility.
Premium fuel had something to do with engine stall Temperature. So nothing to do with higher MPG mileage. This had to do with more power. Owners wanted more HP. He had his own Ridgeline and brought it to Meets. I can tell difference the way that vehicle acts using Premium vs Regular even not towing. Never towed anything.
@@fredmoss4540 In the official Honda user manual (mine is 2019) it's saying that Honda recommends 87 octane with "Top Tier" gas for optimal performance. According to here in Eastern Canada when I search for retailers stations, only Shell seems to sell that.
I notice the truck runs better on shell v power 91.
I also have a Chevrolet Colorado 2.8 diesel and when i put in a cetane additive I noticed that it performs better for the diesel.
for the Honda 1.5T which recommends regular gas.....evidence seems to point to it contributing to realiability issues. For owners that use 91octaine or higher for that engine, no issues.
Not completely true. Todays cars with computer controlled timing and injection, higher octane can change HP and torque. Not sure about the Honda, but Like Ford ecoboost, most will run on lower octane, but running 93 will gain you horsepower and torque. Motor adjust to what kind of fuel you use.
Now we need a dyno test between 87 and 93 octane!
Hate to tell you, there won't be a difference in an engine that is designed to run on 87 octane.
@@stevenc9207 I have a pilot and I notice it’s decently more responsive and slightly quicker with premium fuel. Think premium adds 10hp cause in the MDX it’s rated 10 higher than the pilot cause they say it requires or they recommend premium.
Noticed the aem sticker on your RL. Ever consider doing a water methanol mpg test? Since it is direct injection the water methanol would help clean the valves from the carbon buildup.
Sweet hat Yuri!
Thanks. It’s about time.
Filled up at costco with regular 87 @4.199$ per gallon...classic SoCal
I thought the Econ button was for city driving more than highway. I do notice that when the weather temp gets below freezing the mileage drops about 2.5/3 mpg. During warmer weather I get 28.5 hwy and 19/20 city. With Econ turned on.
Yea, Hwy not much the Eco button can do. Its made to lessen your lead foot at stop light, which I have a heavy one. I get about 16 MPG in the city without it. 18 with it. turn it off when on the hwy.
Like your fuel economy test I live in California what good grade of gas should I use I don't have 93 and we do have very select laces to use 93 and higher I have a 2019 Honda Ridgeline Black edition live by Huntington Beach by the ocean I do know some things low level sea level how it affects driving altitude
From what I tested on the Ridgeline the added cost of the highest octane vs low grade does not make a big difference in fuel economy. I just keep sticking to regular 89 octane. If you can find one without ethanol you could theoretically get a big jump in mpg but you will pay more. What are your fuel costs in your area? I’m guessing $7?
Great Video. I don’t have a Ridgeline, I have a 2021 Pilot. I don’t run high octane, but I do use Top Tier gas. Last week, I had a Traxda 3.5” lift installed, I also installed a set of 9” wide wheels
Toyo Open Country A/T lll 265/50R20.
My Milage has gone down significantly, so definitely interested in any tips for better Milage.
Nice! Some of the videos I have then should be somewhat relevant for you then for fuel economy as I have done quite a few of them. I know you have the 9 speed vs my 6 speed, however, the engine is the same. So I don’t expect significantly different results from the gearbox alone.
@@YuriyMotso checking out your AEM video.
Yikes. I have a 2019 Pilot and considered lifting it and bigger wheels but concerned about your mpg drop 😱
Austin Frazier OK, The eco-button never really seemed to do anything, There was never really a noticeable difference.
But since I got the lift, and the tires, it is a noticeable difference using the eco-button. In mixed conditions I went from 19 miles per gallon, two 22/23 MPG. That's a little closer to what I was getting before the lift. I'm not very tech savvy, but if I can figure it out, I will put up a small video of my set up. BELIEVE ME, when I tell you, that the reduction in gas mileage is worth it 😂🤣😂
I’ve never seen any mpg or performance differences when using premium fuel.
Yuriy, another good video. We’ll have to wait 3 more years till we can hopefully 🙏 buy 87 octane at half the cost of today’s price.
Hey, getting ready to replace my OEM Firestones and noticed your tires, what are they?
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I will be doing a video on them soon. Had to think long and hard before I pulled the trigger but I think I made the right choice so far. It’s a new tire from Michelin.
Just bought a rigline and have 15-17 in city now after 80 miles, hope it will be better on highway)
And if you had any other truck it may be even worse. So regardless you still will be winning in most cases. My only recommendation is to build good driving habits. Also the AEM drop in air filter helps with fuel economy. amzn.to/31lBjaU
What fuel should I use I live in California I have a 2019 Honda Ridgeline Black edition the weather is good coastal weather live by the beach Huntington Beach California me I usually put medium grade
87 only. No benefit to use medium or premium. You are Literally wasting money running higher octane. There are quite a few well documented CZcams videos on reputable engineer channels that dive into it in detail. Short story, use what is recommended and nothing else. Even if say you gain 1mpg with a higher octane does that save you money by paying, in Cali, probably 0.30 more for medium over low octane? It’s an easy calculation you could put into excel.
they claim the eco mode at most will only add an extra 5 miles in ideal conditions. Also because the eco button reduces throttle response if you try to push it harder with the eco mode on it will end up making MPG worse. My experience with a CR-V, Civic, and Passport using econ and allowing it to slowly accelerate can add roughly 2-5 miles extra mpg depending on conditions. Eco mode is really not meant to drastically change MPG it is meant to slightly adjust it by reducing power to a plethora of other features.
I keep mine in in "ECO" and if I want more power, I just punch the D/S button to put it "SPORT" to pass then punch the D/S button again once I am around the person I am trailing. I do not use the "ECO" button in the summer because it cuts into the A/C.
Come on throw more info have mine for about a month now. I feel like that button is useless right
@@daview23 after more extensive testing on my part I found that in cold weather the eco button is for all extents useless as it does not help at all but in hotter weather and it can add a few extra mpg but as weather its worth turning on is up to you it does reduce the performance of a lot of systems like AC and so on so may not be a good option if you live somewhere like Arizona.
I live in moving to Ohio in 3 months as of right now in the city I'm seeing like 14.5 in the city on 93 w eco mode on with traffic I live in Manhattan.
Use to a car so any tips for better economy or something Ohio will be much better, open roads.
@@daview23 yeah just only thing i can suggest is when you get to ohio don't drive as aggressive as you did in new york let the car accelerate slower if you want to use the eco button that is otherwise don't use it
I think eco works better in the city with more stop and go’s where the slowed throttle response comes into play more.
You are most likely correct. Unfortunately I live and work very far out from the city so that kind of driving is not something I would normally ever experience.
I agree. I have a '15 Accord J35Y1 and when I use the Econ mode, especially in the city my fuel mileage is about 3-5 mpg better. If I need extra throttle response I press Econ off and the engine instantly responds.
I never use the eco .I hate the lag on the engine on my 2020 honda pilot exl.its a noticeable difference when using it engi e wise .but I never have seen a difference in mileage when going on long trips with it on
I believe its because its only throttle response and so the main place you would notice is in the city where you are starting and stopping frequently.
I fill up every other day with premium on my cr-v with 1.5 turbo i know it does not require premium but I do
Unless it calls for it which a J-35 engine typically won’t unless it’s in an Acura 87 octane is really the best of course 93 won’t hurt/help. Higher octane is harder to ignite which some engines need to prevent pre-detonation in the combustion chambers causing knock or ping. 87 octane from a gas station that isn’t too ancient to avoid bad tanks that have water in the gas you’ll be fine. Nice truck it’ll last you a long time.
Its good to run high octane every once in a while, to help clean injectors, either that or some additive. Higher octane ignites easier, not harder. My step dad use to keep 130 air plane fuel around for his air boats. You could light that stuff with a cigarette, like in the movies. Regular gas will put the cigarette out.
The ecu is constantly testing the upper limits of the ignition timing. I find the ridgeline drives much better in the city with 89 or 93. On long flat roads where I can burn a tank of gas on cruise control I’ll fill up with 87. I only use eco as a way to soften the gas pedal in stop and go. E15 works quite well too.
My 2020 Sport has gotten up to 28 mpg on 87 octane and no eco boost I don’t use it. Thanks for the video.
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I get a rock solid 18 mpg with mine mostly city driving over a year, also uses a quart of oil in 4-5k miles, I always use just regular gas. 2021 sport hpd, I use sprint booster to get rid of awful throttle lag, works well, used a pedal commander on 2018 grand Cherokee 5.7 and that worked well too. Both help drivability and may save you from getting t-boned at a intersection waiting for the dam things to move, first car I owned was a 55 Chevy, it sputtered and stuttered taking off and stalled when stopping, fast forward 55 years and they MAKE the new cars work like crap on purpose, go figure….🎉😂
Is that 18mpg the one written in the dash board in trip A? The total mpg for the year? Mine is lower than that and I think it has something to do with the idle? Here in manitoba during winter season, we start car for 10min to make the engine warm. It might be affecting the computation of the mpg unlike here in the test where MPG is was calculated on actual drive.
@@peter-gz9fj yes its the tank mpg on reset each fill, I have found it will do up to 26 highway if under 65 mph, over that drops like a rock, 75-85 mph = 16 mpg, but I think that is norm with most, I live in Arkansas so no warming up anymore, used to live in ND so burned alot of fuel sitting.
I'm wondering how the 90 octane E0 (ethanol-free) gasoline my local Shell station has would work out. I'm not a fan of the E10 gasoline. Corn is for making bourbon, not motor fuel. I like your videos. '17 RTL AWD here.
E10 Ethanol burns at a higher temp then gas e0
And that extra heat can cause metal fatigue
In the official Honda user manual it's saying that Honda recommends 87 octane with "Top Tier" gas for optimal performance. According to here in Eastern Canada when I search for retailers stations, only Shell seems to sell that.
You don't want higher octane when it's not needed (not a very high compression ratio engine). It might even get your engine worse using higher octane. It's like using drag fuel in your lawn mower...
In the end why not listening to the manufacturer itself... I am pretty sure he knows more about than regular citizens only "playing and testing" with few tanks of gas
Esso isn't top tier?
@@phunkdoctaspock i try posting an url link showing top tier station but looks like my comment were censored or deleted idk. Go search it on Google, top tier gas station
i got a 2013 honda pilot exl awd i use 93 sunoco i get good gas mileage
A skeptic at first, but Eco consistently worth about 1 mpg in my roughly 50/50 city/hwy driving. Basically just less throttle response on startup, so driver behavior the big factor.
Right. To make a difference you must accelerate slower. I just bought a new RTL and exploring my driving habit options. Kind of thinking no eco and be lighter on throttle because it's way more snappy.
I would love gas that cheap, we’ve been paying $1.41 a L here in Alberta Canada, or $5.35 a gallon. I find my 2013 Ridgeline drives better with premium
It may drive better but is it worth it. How much more are you willing to pay for an extra ‘Mile per Gallon’ or km per liter…… ( or the crazy L/100km ). Never understood why Canada decided to go with that metric. I would rather go with Km per Liter. Still sad for us to fill up our Ridgeline and paying over $100 CND.
I have a 13 Ridgeline. Altitude 2500 ft. Regular does just fine. Mid-grade for towing. I average 17. Mostly in town and 45-50 country roads. I do have a heavy foot.
I use the tax-incentivized 15% ethanol. Sheetz shells it as "U88" fuel. You absolutely do get worse fuel economy, but not all the time. Namely, it burns better *hot*, so it's actually excellent at city driving where acceleration matters.
Damn $3.29 for 93 premium 😮, currently in SoCal $4.95 for 91 premium fuel ⛽️. $4.49 for 87 regular. I need to move to GA
What’s the heaviest trailer you’ve towed and how well did it do?
The heaviest I towed would be my trailer I towed across America. Weight was roughly 3800lbs total weigh including in bed was close to 4900lbs. I talk about it in one of my videos. Truck honestly did amazing. I pushed it so hard on purpose and for that it did run hotter than if I did a slow and steady pace. If I kept it at the recommended speed it would have never got to 270 degrees transmission temp. But I pushed it up to 82mph for the maximum tire rating speed. Just because I was doing it for research purposes.
@@YuriyMotso does it have a transmission cooler? Is that an option?
@@Lovley777 the Ridgeline trims RTL-T, RTL-E, Touring, and Black Edition all have the larger heavy duty transaxle cooler. Sport and RTL have a minimal transaxle cooler.
I don't get anywhere near 28mpg on my 2021 sport? I'm averaging about 22.5 not in mixed driving.
This is a best case scenario test for highway driving only. However these are real numbers I have reached frequently on full tanks of gas long distance. Best I got was over 30 mpg.
Also what air filter are you using? You can get a significant increase by switching to the drop in AEM air filter. I have many tests on that. Link is in my description if you are Interested
I don't like babying a direct fuel injection engine with cylinder displacement. You will build up lots of carbon on your valves. Running on 3 cylinders is also not great. I like to let that fabulous VTech engine breath as intended. Drive it like a truck. If you want 32 mpg I suggest a Civic. JMHO.
i'm confused. does using the eco button require premium fuel?
No. I recently did a fuel economy test with regular fuel but had many people reach out about 93 octane. So I did that along with the Econ button to see if there would be improvements. Does not require 93 octane to use Econ button, just testing what people are asking for.
@@YuriyMotso so what fuel should i be using? 30 miles on the truck so far. Brand new '22 Black Edition
@@johnmiller9219 87 octane
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I only use 93 Octane myself.
My 2020 Ridgeline J35Y6 VCM 3.5L V6 has a 11.5:1 compression ratio, so 93 Octane is much safer to use for engine life. Around town I stay between 18 MPG and 26 MPG and on the freeway from Atlanta to Orlando, I’ve briefly hit 36 MPG a few times between Macon and I-10 in Florida. My 9-speed transaxle features two Autobahn gears, so 9th is 70 MPH @ just under 2k PRM. 8th Enables a gentle downshift into modest RPM for freeway passing, which is far more fuel efficient than the traditional violent downshift into high RPM while passing on the freeway. 1st Is around a 20:1 ratio factored with the differential ratio, which is necessary to quickly recover from the engine auto-stop.
Fuel can stale at a rate of -1 Octane per day, so 85 - 88 Octane can be dangerous in extremely remote areas where fueling stations aren’t replenished daily and there’s a higher chance of encountering stale fuel. The same would be true of an unused vehicle sitting around with a full tank.
The compression ratio determines the flashpoint of low octane pre-combustion (before the spark plug ignites, basically a diesel effect), which is defined as engine knock if that combustion occurs before the piston rod is fully extended to maximum bore height.
A compression ratio around 8.0:1 isn’t so bad for 87 Octane. Honda engines typically stay on the higher compression ratio side, so higher octanes are more reliable, because octanes keep gasoline stable throughout the compression ratio. This ensures spark, rather than compression, is the source of combustion.
93 Octane just gives you peace of mind that you can purchase fuel a few days stale from the gas station, leave your vehicle in the driveway over the weekend, and when you finally crank on a Monday the Octane level should still be 87 or higher by the time the fuel is consumed.
A good example of this was when I worked at Sears Roebuck & Company. Corporate discontinued the sale of 5 gallon gas jugs. This reduced the volume of returns into the Lawn & Garden Department and retained profitability, selling 2.5 gallon jugs instead. Briggs & Stratton and Kohler determined almost all returns were stale fuel related as opposed to engine or carburetor defects. The nationwide adoption of California emissions for small engine production results in more sensitivity to stale fuel. 10% Ethanol (E10) homogeneously bonds to water, which dilutes the potency of gasoline as well.
It’s also important to note that the 93 Octane anti-carbon additives proactively remove excess combustion chamber residue. If you’ve ran 87 Octane for a long time, then you shouldn’t see a significant fuel economy increase until after the 93 Octane has spent at least a week removing the excess carbon buildup from lower quality fuels.
My Dad’s Dodge Stratus had failed an emissions test here in Metro-Atlanta, and he was a diehard user of 87 Octane. The emissions tester told him to run the tank almost dry, and then refuel with premium for a full week before retesting. They also asked my Dad to do about 3 days worth of freeway trips. The following week, that vehicle passed it’s emissions test.
Costco and QT both offer the TopTier fuel quality guarantee irregardless of the octane level being selected. Kroger’s national contract used to be with Royal Dutch Shell, and Shell V-Power NiTRO+ is supposedly one of the better quality fuels out there, despite not having the TopTier badge.
Here’s an interesting article:
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-1 octane per day is a bit exaggerated. Fuel is said to have a shelf life of at least 3 months. Most fuel companies say to use gas within 30 days. This is mostly due to the ethanol that will eat away at it and reduce the octane over time. I just can’t see it happening over night. The gas station your buying from doesn’t produce it the same day you buy it. So if you factor in the time it is produced transported and finally delivered I can see 30 days from when you fill up being more accurate. I too have mixed higher octane in the tank for example if I’m going on vacation for a week and the car will sit without being used.
@@ricanredliner I should clarify that the late 1990’s is when I worked at Sears. Environmental standards may have improved since then to guarantee longer shelf life.
Ethanol is an octane additive that increases octane, but has a bad habit of bonding to water which dilutes gasoline and accelerates the rusting of iron based: engine blocks, cylinder sleeves, bearings, and etc…
@@pm270x that’s not true. Ethanol does not increase octane and that is not why it’s used.
On my 2019 ridgeline best I got was almost 30mph
On eco mode on highway driving with cruise
And I was galling stuff in bed covered up with tarp
Right on! I saw just over 30. I have a video somewhere that I never posted. Need to post it up.
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Why bother trying Premium when any additional MPG will be eaten up by the cost of Premium? A better test would simply have been Reg unleaded with ECON on vs ECON off.
87 will always be better for your wallet in any car
Honda recommends 87 octane. Use 87 octane. Common people!?! There's no magic.
However the 92 did get better fuel economy. Some people like to run higher octane fuel. I just put it to the test so people can see the difference.
Gas price. Stop drilling in America. Wow gas price went up.
This is a bad test. Octane is for knocks, and knocks only. It's all about how your engine is set up. Watch this: czcams.com/video/Bb5VfiFy0kY/video.html
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I.e. higher octane is not 'better' gas, it's just gas with more octane - which is important based on how your engine is set up. ALWAYS use the recommended octane.
This is mainly to prove that you don’t need higher octane. In the forums people say they use the premium fuel and get better fuel economy. so I had to test it.
@@YuriyMotso The "forums people" don't know what they are talking about. I hope you watched the video in the link. It does a great job of explaining the mechanics/science of the fuel types. If you knew what was in the video, you'd never test octane levels vs. gas mileage. In fact, all you've done is propagate the misconception that octane level has anything to do with performance, or fuel efficiency...
Yes your link to ChrisFix gives a lot of good information.
@@bikebudha01 Depends on the car, but many new cars adjust timing and injectors according to what gas you use. So there is a difference. You just have to decide which you like better and can live with. gains are still minimum and usually not worth it.