Best Hunting Rifle Under $350: Five guns reviewed head-to-head and hands-on
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- We reviewed the Thompson Center Compass, Ruger American, Savage Axis, Remington 783, and Mossberg Patriot to see what the best inexpensive hunting rifle is. After shooting hundreds of rounds and doing in-depth testing for over 100 hours, this is our order of which is the best and worst gun in this price point.
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Please do NOT take our accuracy tests as scientific. It was more of a "real world" test. The test had many uncontrolled variables such as shooter skill, the different optics each gun came with, caliber, ammunition, etc. I'd be happy with any of the top three rifles in this test. While two of the guns in the test did NOT perform well on the particular copy we received, at this price point the manufacturing tolerances may have been at fault. You may buy a Mossberg Patriot for example, and get GREAT results. Each copy of a gun can vary wildly in accuracy at this price point because of the wide manufacturing tolerances in this cheap price bracket.
Also, many of you suggested we send the Mossberg Patriot back to the company. We're doing so now and will update this video to tell you how they dealt with us in the customer service department.
Thank you all for your support. We're BLOWN AWAY by how fast this channel is growing. Thank you!
you should of done the vortex package more then likely you had a bad scope on your mossberg, i shot my 6.5 creedmoor vortex under 1" moa
Agreed have had several patriots and even put one in a mdt chassis they are golden IF you can actually shoot
YOU get what you pay for!!!
A few DOLLAR more GET A HOWE
BEDING TRIGGER WORK LAPPING. TARGET CROWN.ETC COME HIGH I A M OLD NOW BEEN AT THIS FOR 60 YEAR
Did you guys zero the scope ?
Cpl of things... 1) why not use that same Leupold scope on all 5 rifles for more consistent control group? 2) You never even said what caliber these rifles were.. or if they were all the same caliber.
Oh man, I thought the mushrooms on my pizza were messing with me.... I'm hoping other people are experiencing audio issues.....or it's just me tripping ballz
3rdEye Spy nope I got an increasing echo after the midway point
Glad to see that someone else eats pizza from the same place. I was tripping just like you.
Either way, I'll have a slice of whatever you're eating
3rdEye Spy I thought it was my air pods
Cody Ralston you too huh?
The echo reminded me of when I broke my back and I got morphined up; the hallucinations were so enjoyable. And so was this video!!
I had to check the comments, I though my speakers were screwed up. Thanks man. 😂😂
Yeah, I kept hearing a 1960's football announcer yelling...."lo ook ook aaaaaaaaaaat that at at sununun of ff aaah bbbb&^%& Itch ruuuun!"
I had that echo occur too. It started getting real bad until I paused it and started playing again. For a while there I thought my phone was messed up.
it tripped me out. i just took some cbd oil and then everything starts echoing. i thought i was trippin
Travis Smith thank you! Wow it was real bad so I scrolled through the comments and saw your fix.
1:01 Mossberg Patriot
5:16 TC Compass
7:07 Remington 783
10:49 Savage Axis
13:04 Ruger American
You are the hero I needed
REM 783
Thanks for doing this Caleb.
Thank you
Much appreciated
The 516 people who disliked this video have the mossberg
lol
That’s right because they got it wrong on this gun. Possibly their rifle needed lapping or some other defect but the patriot out performs the axis and xpr in every way unless there is an actual factory defect. It happens. I recently saw a $1600 custom maple marlin 336 that wouldn’t hit a half sheet of plywood at 100 yards. Remington guys can’t make Marlins apparently. Or 783s for that matter.
That said these guys did say many times they may have gotten a bad sample rifle. I believe that to be the case.
Yes I have the mossberg 3006. Yes I upgraded to Bushnell scope and it performs well. With Winchester and Remington ammo
Mossberg patriot is a very accurate rifle
@@blaws6684 I have a Mossberg Trophy Hunter, an ATR with the 4x4 trigger guard and removable mag, and it is very accurate. But I wouldn't consider a dog rifle at this price point a damnation on the entire model line. Now if you got a dog Weatherby, then I would be very annoyed....
As a broke college student who just got into hunting last year; I really appreciate this video :)
Buy a savage in .270 and put a decent scope on it. Leupold scopes are the best for the money and will hold the zero forever. that combination is budget friendly, stupid accurate, and just amazing. Pawn shops are your best friend if you are looking for a cheap bolt action or shotgun
@@kevinb871 thank you so much Kevin for the recommendation !!!
Kevin Bandt that’s what I did. But in .308. Went to a local pawn shop got a savage axis 2 for $300. Had a nice Weaver on it. Saved up and then put a vortex on it. Can’t go wrong really with either of these rifles now days. Just get good ammo and a good scope. Ruger American is a solid shooter as well
I worked at Cabelas and had a LOT of customers tell me that the Compass was by far the most accurate, in terms of people raving about accuracy. The Ruger is good, but I doubt as good on average as the Compass.
@@dannylandrum7899 i actually heard the opposite on the compass. I opted out of the compass because i heard that customer service was terrible and the tolerances were few and far between. I also read that they werent a very long lasting rifle before they started shooting bad and theres some pretty important pieces that are plastic in them. So i went with the savage axis in 6.5 creedmoor.
This channel serves as a much needed break from the tactical “bearded wonders”. Great content gents!
Well said. The YT market is way too saturated with TACTICOOL SPEC OPS BEARD MAN reviewing equipment you'll never be able to afford.
These guys, just producing average Joe content on hunting and guns is very refreshing.
Well said, thanks
Yes. I find it depressing how militarized hunting and gun stores have become.
@@Svensk7119 ya man, I’ve been in the service for 16 years now and I can’t escape it. I guess tactical shits cool up until the moment your getting shot at.
@@Pays2Win Amen. Or dang, depending how you look.
LOL, late to the video, but......I have the Ruger in 6.5, the Mossberg in .308, and the Axis2 in 7mm.08. For hunting purposes they are all fantastic. At 100yds I can get all the bullet holes touching with the right bullets, and the Axis2 was hitting an 8" steel plate at 600 yards when shot from a lead sled....so for what I do they all drop deer.
After 11 minutes, someone accidentally hit the
"Standoff Negotiator" mic preset.
I bought the Mossberg Patriot in 7mm Rem Mag and couldn't build a load for it to save my life. The problem was the crown protector. I had it taken down and put in a 14 deg taper and is now shooting less than 1in groups. That said you shold NEVER have to do this to a new rifle!
i'm REALLY new to shooting so excuse my dumb questions. but i just bought a patriot 300 win mag. what's the crown protector and how do you put a taper on it?
@@philipbrown7977 The crown is the end of the barrel. The crown protector is that ring they put at the end of the barrel. Most barrels don't have that inset at the end. If your new to this stuff, I suggest you take it to a gunsmith. It only costs about $75 to have them take it off and put in a 10 to 14 deg tapper.
When I was young I purchased a 110E se cond hand. 5 inch plus grouping.
So, lapped the bolt, then "worked the trigger tension spring hex nut". Change out wood stock to a fiberglass. All the while reloading 30/06 rnds , different brands ect.
Finally 220 gr Speer soft tips. Compressed loads. That gave me cloverleafs and a 6 lb. Hunting rifle. In that process I also changed the recoil pad to a Browning decelerator ( shapeable) pad.
It was awesome, and like a fool, I sold it to an idiot that did not appreciate it.
I own 2 of the 5 rifles. The mossberg in 300WM and the Savage Axis in 6.5CM. The Mossberg broke the stock synthetic stock where the barrel lug meets the stock. Slapped it in a Boyds thumbhole, bedded with JB weld and it shoots the lights out. The trigger is amazing, the recoil is punishing!!! The savage axis without the accutrigger is HORRIBLE, but a 15 dollar home depot trigger job makes it more than acceptable. Both guns have taken Hogs at over 200 yards. The savage weaver scope on the axis is JUNK. Mounted an Athlon Argos BTR on sale for a few dollars more than the rifle. Bedded the action, filled the stock with construction adhesive and hamster bedding and it's an absolute tack driver.
Bought a Savage Axis 2 months ago in .243 as a coyote gun. $300 at Cabela's as a scoped package. The Weaver scope was supposed to be factory boresighted... Their factory techs need to relearn basic gunsmithing. After a few hours of tinkering she is now a tack driver.
I bought the exact same gun and had it perfect at 100 yards within 15 minutes 🤷♂️
Yup got the same deal. I wouldn't call mine a tack driver but it consistently shot .7 and .8 5 shot groups @ 100 yards.
After hearing many gun shop stories no rifle is ever bore sighted from the factory. Or if they are all the jostling through transport negates it.
Plus buying a rifle with a scope from the factory is a bad idea anyways, the scopes they supply are junk.
I own 2 savage axis 308 great guns
I enjoyed your down-to-earth, no "macho," no "know-it-all" gun nut approach in reviewing these five rifles. I really enjoyed your honest humor.
I'm in awe, I picked up a 783 to get started with bolt action target shooting, it did not disappoint.
I have the 783 in 3006, bought it from.a friend who bought it from a guy who won it at a gun show. He already had a Tikka and just wanted to dump it . Paid 295 bucks without a scope new in box. Put a bushnell trophy 3×9 on it and 3 shots after bore sighting it I was touching bullet holes .Could,nt believe how awesome the trigger was at 3 lbs. Never even considered adjusting it .That was 4 years ago and I still love it. Whitetails don t know what hit them .Don,t know what people mean by the bolt handles a joke, mines super stout and the bolt slides like my old 700 BDL , smooth as glass, It shoots MOA and with 150 gr hornandy handloads it's a tack driving deer slayer.I dont know what anyone expects for 400 bucks but I am totally happy with mine. Rememington appealed to the budget oriented class of hunters and the 783 is a very nice rifle for the price. I,d rather have a hinged floor plate but the DBM is a nice touch , great trigger , recessed crown muzzle and very fast lock time all combine for a accurate affordable rifle anyone can afford.
Mark my words. This channel is going to GROW BIG if you keep putting out awesome content like this.
@SPIKESPIEGEL1969 Audio sounds good to me. We'll, this was 3 years ago, and they had 10K subscribers.
It would be nice to know the calibers shot through these rifles.......
True, I actually watched it a cpl times thinking I missed it, & wondering if all 5 were the same caliber as well
Truth.
Carlos Rivera the Remington is 270 223 243 300 308 7mm 7mm-08 30-06 there’s probably more
I agree, I did notice they were different which I would think to get accurate data the same round should be used
With the problem of accuracy you had with the mossberg patriot rifle, my first thought would be were the action screws torqued down properly. If the action is moving/shifting because the action screws are not tight, there's no way it would be able to shoot accurately. So I don't know if you checked the action screws or not, but that's the first thing I do when I buy a rifle is torque my action screws down to the correct ft lbs of torque.
I own a Mossberg - Maverick 270 Win. The Maverick line was best known for their M88 shotguns which were the cheapest shotguns you could buy at Walmart. The .270 Maverick did exactly the same thing your accuracy test showed until I dropped a cheap Limbsaver De-resonator on the end of the barrel about an inch back from the muzzle. Groups shrunk from a previous best of 4-5 inches to between 1/2 to 3/4 inch with cheap Federal Blue Box 130gr ammo. It now outshoots my 2 buddies' Tika T-3 and Weatherby Vanguard guaranteed MOA rifles with every ammo I try in it. My rifle/scope combo cost about 75% less than theirs and is a constant source of irritation at deer camp.
I've got a Mossberg Patriot chambered in 270 with a Vortex Crossfire 3-9 x 40 scope. When the barrel gets hot, groups open up very wide. Not sure if that's what you guys were experiencing. My first 3 rounds through my Patriot are always right at MOA at 100. If I don't let the barrel cool, groups widen significantly. That being said - I've shot at 9 deer with it, and killed all 9. Muley bucks at 370 yards and 250 yards. And 7 whitetails all 100 yards or closer. I shoot good ammo - Hornady Superformance GMX. I would not consider my Patriot a tack driver, but it definitely kills deer. I'll be upgrading in the next few years, but it's treated me well thus far. If you've got a few more bucks take a look at the Savage 110. I've got one, and several family members have them, and they are legit.
I took a 4x4 bull elk in Colorado at 370 yards with the Remington 783 chambered in .308 using the Remington Core-Lokt 185 grain loads. Hunt of a lifetime for me! I have a Vortex Viper PST Gen 2 FFP 5-25x50 scope on it as well. Accurate enough for me! Shot placement is more important!
I got a sub MOA group at 200yds with my mossberg Patriot chambered in .270 from a lead sled. Love that gun. Absolutely bulletproof.
I have a Savage Axis in .308 and it consistently holds 2inch groups at 300 yards. It may not be the prettiest, but it gets the job done
You got to work your gun dont come out of the box andll become the best gun you ever had it take time work and someone with gun smart..................................get off the gun tablle....
@@user-uh1gd5fm4y I tried to read your comment but you sentence structure made me feel like I had a stroke and I dont know what you're trying to say, can you fix that for me please?
Thank you guys for all your videos! They are greatly appreciated. I just turned 30 years old and I'm just discovering the world of hunting. I've been obsessed with it for 2 years and I'm finally going to go on my first hunts this year. I've reviewed your videos and used them to help me make decisions purchasing my first rifle and my gear. It really helps watching you guys explain the pros and cons and which product is the best value. As a new hunter I'm trying to make the tough decisions on when to invest a lot of money on quality products and when to try to save money just so I can at least have the piece of gear when I finally go out. I just wanted to say thank you! I'm putting in for some hunts in Idaho maybe one day I'll be up in your neck of the woods! Keep putting out the great content!
What do you recommend?
I am a huge Ruger American fan. I have 4. My 6.5cm is a 1,000 yard gun all day long
WHO_TEE_WHO what is your set up if u are able to divulge
I really like the go wild cammo version. The predator is nice too. Going with 7mm-08.
Great reviews. Some time ago, I bought the Remington 783. I installed an oversized bolt handle knob on it, and it had a surprising effect on the overall feel of the rifle. The best group I shot with it with handloads was 7/8" at 200 yards. It won't do it everytime, but it surely shoots better than I can hold. I would probably hold out for the Ruger American, being a big fan of Ruger in general, but the 783 was under $300, and I'm on a budget.
I have the ruger, savage and 783 I personally like the 783 and the stock is much beefier, magnum barrel instead of pencil profile and hands down better trigger. After I work the bolt 50ish times it's smooth as butter. These guys must be biased on the 783 cause alot of people including myself love them. I have a first gen savage also and I will say savage is lights out in the accuracy department for sure as they true every barrel they make. For me if I had one to pick and I have 4 of these rifles I'll take the 783 all day. I did have to trim a spot on the stock under the barrel to fully free float and that's it 1inch groups all day.
I have a T/C Compass Utility in 308 and have had no issues with the magazine and with a handloaded Barnes 130 gr TTSX bullet and Varget powder I can put 3 bullets literally in the same hole at 100 yards. In the last hunting season I had 4 one shot kills on deer and black bear. You may not like the one you had but I love the one I have.
I have a Mossberg Patriot Synthetic Cerakote #28008 MSRP: $468.00 in 6.5 Creedmoor and it is a tack driver. Easy sub MOA groups with Federal cooper solids. I have a Ruger American in 308 that also shoots great.
I've got Mossberg Patriots in 243 and 30.06 and both are tack drivers. You managed to get a turkey. I use mostly Federal 150 Power Shok,and Remington Core-Lok 180. Cheap Walmart ammo, but at 100 yards I can hit a quarter almost every time with either gun. Deer have been hating my Patriots for about 3 years now.
- Joe
I concur mine is in 6.5 and it is incredible
This video is one of the things that helped me decide to buy a Ruger American a few months ago. I checked out a 783 at Cabela's today, and yeah, the eye relief was shocking.
I’m 60 and my grandson loaned me his exact rifle(Mossburg) in .243 and I got my first buck ever (11 point) at over 120 yards with a Vortex 3-9x40 scope and hit him spot on. I’d take that rifle anywhere and I’m a Savage fanboy! Love y’all’s channel you do a great job on your research and y’all are entertaining
I purchased a moss dry patriot 243 and could not get it to group. I ended up sending back to Mossberg, the warrantied the work and now the rifle shoots amazing. Like you I tried multiple types of ammunition with no luck. Since I got it back it shoots amazing.
I have The Mossberg Patriot in 6.5 Creedmoor. First 60-70 rounds with a few different loads were wildly innacurate. After that my groups tightened up to sub MOA. Do a thorough break in and it's fine. Now it's got probably 120-140 rounds through it. Even putting 4 shot groups in the same hole. I shot it out to 350 yards today. 4" hold over and nailed it dead center.
I paid $299 for the gun. Worth every penny. Put a Nikon 6-18x40 scope on it and it's great. Scope was more than the gun.
I have the savage axis in .308, picked it up second hand for $200. Fantastic gun! Sub MOA (even with me behind it) and just an easy gun to shoot. Bagged my first deer with it a few weeks ago and couldn't be happier with the gun!
Should my dad buy it 😂
@@mediationvideos734 it's a good gun for the money, why not 🤷♂️
I bought almost all the calibers of the TC Compass line. They are great rifles. I have had no problems.
My 783 has been great for the money after i put a Nikon scope on it , sub-moa, the bolt is smooth as butter and the recoil pad is great.
10:28 the mushrooms kick in .
I genuinely thought it was me and then I questioned whether I was crazy or not and maybe it had been like this the whole time and I never noticed. I mean I really love the content but Callie it sure would’ve been a lot more fun had I’ve been on some thing. 😂
Just to let you know, I have two TC COmpass rifles being .308 and 6.5 and they are excellent hunting rifles. MOA out of the box Magazines are fine and Set triggers down to 2.5 lbs in about five minutes. Both are topped with PA scopes . First deer with 308 at 330 yds dropped it in tracks. No complaints what so ever.
Bought a 783 in .243 for my 11 y/o grandson, after first 1/2 box of shooting we went back to store and got a new scope because it was crap. Could not even adjust power stuck on 6. Shooting wise up to 300 yds I would put it against most rifles on the market. So far this year he's taken two deer at 85 and 133 yds. A pig at 177 yds.
I purchased a T/C Compass in 6.5CM this past October on the used market here in the Houston area for $250 with no scope and I have been very pleased with mine. After 3 different brands of ammo I settled on the Remington 140gr Cor-Lokt PSP that consistently produced sub MOA 3 shot groups. I mounted a Pentax 4.5-14x42 scope. All groups shot better with the thread protector unscrewed from the barrel and in my pocket. Couple of things....the recoil pad is excellent. I found it soft and useful. The box magazine is difficult to load all 5 rounds at once. There is no problem loading 4 and if one opens the bolt while inserting the box, easy peasy. Who needs 5 rounds on a deer stand anyway? I am 74 years old and a very experienced shooter/hunter. My trigger pull is 4lbs. A previous owner may have adjusted that in someway but it is crisp and I like it. I painted the stock a camo pattern and that really helped the looks of the rifle. I love the 6.5 round. I have a custom 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser that was done for me in 2000. Your subscribers need to know that the 6.5 is not a long range "hunting" cartridge but it is an excellent whitetail cartridge under 400yds. My shots are always less than 150yds. I highly recommend the T/C Compass.
Absolutely fantastic assessment. I personally have the TC and have shot all these except the Mossberg. I couldn't believe how amazing my compass was for the price. It's not the best rifle across all budgets, but mine is by far the best value out of all my rifles. I did adjust the trigger, per the instruction manual.
I have a mossberg patriot and I am getting .5 inch groups with hand loads. And I love it.
Howard 1500 Tactical, on sale for $300. One great rifle for the price. Purchased the rifle at Turner's Outdoorsman. I picked up Luepold rings and Vortex 1x6 scope. 1/2 MOA at 100 yards.
My wife has hunted deer and pronghorns for years with a Remington Mowhawk 600 in .243. Perfect for her. For years she tried to use a Winchester Model 70 featherweight for elk. Just a bit too much for her in weight and length. A few years ago we got her a Ruger American Compact in .308 for elk. The compact gives a bit of a kick but she is able to handle the weight and length quite well. Back to the topic, I have no problem with the Ruger American...a great little gun for the casual hunter.
I would recommend the 6.5 creedmoor as a good in between round that offers the kick of the 243 with the knock down power of the 308.
A ruger american is much better than just "casual hunter" status. I've laid waste to much more expensive hunting rifles at the range with the three that I own.
@@keithqueen352, I didn't mean to imply that the rifle was just a "casual hunter" type. I know several serious shooters/hunters types who have purchased the "Ruger American" for themselves and or spouses.
@@michaelquillen2679 just checkin' lol!
As a gunsmith I’ve worked on 3 of the 5 you guys reviewed.
-The Remingtons seem to be a good value, but the bolt handles break off easily because of how they’re attached to the bolt body.
-The Mossbergs... don’t like the barrels. The ones I’ve threaded I’ve had a hard time getting the bore to run true on my lathe because the path of the rifling is so out of true with the line of the barrel.
-The Savage Axis has some cheaper parts (like the trigger), but out of the box has the best trigger (my opinion), and shoots the best. Also very easy to work on, accurize, and head space if you’re doing barrel work.
I have no experience with Rugers or TC’s so I can’t speak to those.
Just my opinions. Hope that helped
Awesome feedback! I love the gunsmith perspective. You see things most consumers never will.
@@backfire agreed! 👍
It doesnt really surprise me when it comes to the Mossberg Patriot rifles having junk barrels. I remember picking one up and inspecting it at my local Dick's Sporting Goods and it was just screaming 'too good to be true!' At a deafening volume, LOL. real walnut stock, nice finish on the stock and all the metal on the rifles, not to mention a fluted bolt and fluted barrel for around $350. Yeah, unfortunately I was right from the get go and it is basically in the Webster's dictionary if you look up the phrase 'very nicely polished and fluted turd'. 💩 It doesnt really surprise me though, even with the shotguns that are popular, the Model 500's/590/835 all feel SOOOOOO insanely loose and sloppy they feel like they're going to just start falling apart in your hands when fired. Compare the Model 500 to the other big dog of pump shotguns....the wonderful Remington 870 and there is just no comparison in my opinion. I'll be the first to admit that the Mossberg shotguns ARE good reliable weapons I just cant get past the complete lack of ergonomics and loose sloppy tolerances when compared to the Rem 870, Browning BPS, any of the Winchester 1200/1300/SXP'S or even the old Ithaca Model 37's(2hich Ive never been a fan of) but IMO, in the pump shotgun world the Remington 870 is the Cadillac of that world while the Mossbergs are the Ford Explorers, LOL.
Anthony Ridge I agree with you about the rifles for sure. I do, however, feel that the receiver and bolt would be a great start on a bolt rifle build if you had some money to put into a rebarrel and blue print job. They’re very easy to head space, and have a good bolt design. I completely disagree about the shotguns though. I’ve shot and worked on both. I’m a Mossberg 500 guy all day long. I’ve had more business from parts breaking off of Remingtons (like the ejector) than I have Mossberg 500 series, and the Mossberg’s are much easier to disassemble and maintain. The 870 is a good shotie, don’t get me wrong. Just my opinion. I do agree that the Mossberg’s tend to feel a little looser though.
Probably don't have any experience with the Ruger rifles because they are all pretty much a guaranteed sub MOA rifle! Especially if you season the barrel with copper fouling and shoot it "dirty" only cleaning it occasionally with gun oil. Mine shoots 1/2 MOA or better with most Hornady factory ammo!
I have 2 Savage Axis rifles. Love them both. The one without the Accutrigger, can be adjusted EXACTLY the same way. Both of my triggers are 2lb 6oz. However, I did have to file some of the stock away from the barrel, to truly make it "free floated". It would touch the barrel during recoil. After that, they shot GREAT.
Have you had any rusting issues on either of them?
I've owned 3 30-06 Mossberg Patriots.
Still my favorite rifle I've ever owned.
Very accurate, but does jam a empty shell a couple of times.
This one has a Fairfield scope and synthetic stock. And last week I took it out and had a quite good grouping with cheapo 150 grain fmj army surplus rounds. At about 100 and 250 yards.
I would definitely recommend it.
I've owned 5 other hunting rifles and compared to the 270 or 308 or even the 45-70 government it's still my favorite by far.
What motivated you to buy the same rifle in the same caliber 3 times?
My neighbor has one in 30-06. He bought it from someone who needed the money. However when we took it to the range, it was sold for the same reason the guys had with the Mossberg. Not real sure it would consistently hit a milk jug at 100. They are right - depends on luck as to the copy you get.
I bought one of those Ruger Americans in 243 Win for my son and it is a shooter. I get groups with it in the 3/4” range with factory Federal Fusion repeatably.
The Mossberg median group was the sum of all the other groupings 😂
Once you got to the Savage Axis, your mic started doubling/echoing like crazy.
And then the delay in the echo is even crazier when you get to the Ruger American.
It fixes at 14:10
It wasn’t just me then haha😂
I own a 783 in 243 first thing I got rid of was the scope that came with it and put a vortex scope on it and its a very good shooter for me.
I have a Mossberg Patriot in 270 that I won. I wouldn't have bought it on my own, not because of it being a Mossberg but because I don't have a use for a 270. But the extremely light weight, decent trigger, and the DBM made me decide to keep it. I put an old proven accurate Burris Signature scope I have had for years on it. I tried several different factory loads and all hovered around an inch MOA. I have taken a few Whitetails with it and it works just fine. It isn't my go to gun by any means, but I don't feel hindered by it if the distance to target is under 400 yds.
I have the mossberg in .223 and smoke rabbits all day at 40- 300 yards ,fallow deer ,pigs, continually jamming my freezer time and time again. Wicked accurate.
What caliber u use for deer & what series Remington
My son shoots the Patriot in 270 with a Vortex Diamondback and consistently get 1.25 groups.
James Halfhill I have the patriot with walnut stock same scope mines a .308 and I get right about the same
A winchester model 70 will easily half that on a bad day.
James Halfhill does mossberg offer any kind of warranty for it?
Very poor comparison, theirs probably just need a little stock work
That's a shame... Plenty of budget rifles out there that are just about guaranteed to shoot 1/2 MOA with factory ammo after they get some copper seasoning, like Ruger, Howa or Savage.
Remington 783 has walnut stock and vortex scope option which is very well built.
Be careful selling these guns; ATF recently raided an Amish dairy farmer selling some from his personal collection, and what's extra troubling is that he didn't advertise the sales.
Cool vid but at times I thought I was listening to a couple guys talking on a CB radio 😂
ECHOOO, o, o, o. AUDIOOOO, O, O, o, o, o
😂😂😂
I feel like Jacque Cousteau. Sounds like we’re all underwater.
Bought one of my daughters a savage axis. .308. Changed out Tupperware stock to a Boyd's At-One sto k and a timey trigger down to 2.5 lbs. With factory ammo I got 1/2" groups at 100. I would say the axis not bad choice not crazy about recoil lug design but I can't complain it is doing very well. Looks like you had great time
Savage makes incredible barrels, but the gun around it always suffers. So you made the right mods
I have a T/C Compass in .308 ... love it, and have really good accuracy
The size of the group on that Mossberg indicates that there's clearly something wrong that's probably not a normal condition with most of those rifles. Whether there is a manufacturing defect with a rifle itself, the scope rings and/or the scope. Even a burned out barrel will shoot better than that
Remember they may not correctly install the rings and scopes correctky. Always remove, clean, and locktite the screws and rezero the scope.
Ruger American is a very good gun for the money. Good choice guys
Its the mossberg scope, they are super accurate. I have two and they are tack drivers.
I love my Mossberg patriot .270. Original scope ( yes it’s cheap) but my grouping is about 2” max and never off target.
Oh, And another thing. First bolt gun I bought was the Mossberg in .270. I had erratic groups out of the box at first,though it coulda been my lame shooting abilities. I changed the scope on this also ( less than 200.00 also). The accuracy went up dramatically. Ive taken several deer with it since.
I bought a TC compass in 270 Winchester last year and it shoots Great. In your defense the magazine is a little tricky. But I can shoot a group under a quarter with a bushnell bone collector scope (nice scope under 100$ btw) love the TC.
Nice and .270 is a good round for killing any game like bears and deers
What has been the best ammo for yours?
@@wes326 I zeroed it with Rem core lock 150gr they are a little slow (2750fps) from my chrono. I made some hand loads with Hornady 140gr interlocks at around 2900fps & they are fantastic on paper anyway havent got the chance to use on a creature yet.
@@r1ckgr1m3s8 Thanks, I'll give those a try.
@@wes326 hey your last reply caught me when I was in my reloading room I looked up the data with the 140 grain Hornady interlocks I was using 54.3 grains of IMR 4831 with a CCI large rifle primer
Thanks for your testing , and review , I am an old machinist an gunsmith , I have no disparaging remarks , just a comment , I spend a lot of time at sporting goods stores and ranges , and I have shown many many people how to accurately measure eye relief , and would like to share it with you guys too, if you haven't shined a flashlight backwards thru a scope and observed the resulting lite fan ,you might try it , the resulting lite cone , is the eye relief, the distance it comes to a sharp point is the max eye relief at the power setting on the scope , change the power change the length of relief , when buying a scope this can be done in the store , and if you have the rifle you should have the shooter mount the rifle with his or her eyes closed so it fits natural and put a piece of tape where the pupil is located, straight down on the stock , so then knowing the relief you can buy the right mounts , set back set forward ?? what ever .there is still more to setting up a scope but I'll stop there!! get a flashlight and some tape !!!!!!
I had the same experience with the mossberg patriot. Great looking rifle but consistent 6+inch groups across multiple shooters and scopes. I got the Tc compass in 308 as the replacement and love it sub moa with Winchester deer season 150 grain.
Purchased my first hunting rifle last year. Savage axis .243, I loved it then and after watching this video I’m still very pleased with my purchase. Only down side to it is it kicks pretty hard after a few rounds so target practice doesn’t tend to last long. 😂
Who do you think you are just coming out of nowhere with quality content? Lol great video I thoroughly enjoyed it my friend!
Crazy. I have a walnut patriot as well. Mine is in 25-06. I shoot right at an inch group at 100 yards consistently. Maybe 1.5 inches and I’m no great shoot
You're Patriot findings really surprised me. Mine gets 1.5 ish MOA with most hunting loads and .5 with handloads. I also find that its forgiving to newer shooters. I smell a defect.
It could be the junk scope on it as well or a factory defect.
ESA221 mine is great too. I do have a good scope on mine for whatever its worth. I bought it for my son in 6.5CM to be his first deer rifle and Ive kinda stolen it as its my favorite rifle at the moment lol
I got one of these and it’s actually really good and accurate. So there must’ve been a factory defect or something.
I own literally all of these lol. My least favorite by far is my Remington 783 in 270. The scope is literally not usable and the bolt is laughable. My favorite is my savage axis 308 hardwood (my first rifle I bought). Its the most accurate of the bunch. My patriot is fantastic and I've had zero issues with it. It has my favorite trigger. My ruger is great as well. The ruger to me is basically the same as the savage. The TC is going to be built to be my beat the shit out of it and not care rifle lol
I have the Remington 783 and the Savage axis. Neither come with good scopes but the Remington is the best gun.
Good review however I do feel that yall should have got them all in the same caliber.
Also should have used the same optics. I once owned a Winchester M70 with a wood stock that performed horribly with all factory ammo brands and bullet weights. I removed some wood from the barrel channel to free float the barrel and it settled down to sub moa.
You know what you should really show them! I don't see you spending as much money as they do to give someone free content. This was really helpful. quit being a trolling little b****!!!
@@rjmiller6726 cool story. I'm glad you wasted the time to write a comment like that.
RJ Miller it’s only helpful content if all variables are the same. All they did was give you their opinion of the rifle. With this “comparison” they shouldn’t have even shot them. Or at least not put accuracy numbers up. Certain calibers are naturally going to shoot better.
For sure use the same optic--- the Ruger had Leupold and muzzle brake --come on!
My Ruger American is very accurate. First time I shot I was using Hornady American Deer Hunter 150 gr. and I was getting sub moa at 100 yards.
Ruger has really stepped up their rifle game both in terms of hunting rifles and in the MSR market with their line of AR-556's the Ruger AR 556 MSR is a masterpiece for the price, it's approximately an 800 dollar rifle that is intended to compete with rifles costing well over the thousand dollars, leaving the end consumer with an extra 2 to 6 hundred dollars to spend on ammunition, magazines, or accessories to enhance their personal experience with the rifle, I recently bought the Ruger AR 556 and it's one of the most accurate rifles I've ever shot, leaving a keyhole on the target at 150 yards using Hornady match ammunition, it was practically putting one round after another through the same hole talk about accuracy.
Ruger is one of the biggest firearms manufacturers there is. Their mass production capability enables them to have decent quality at a decent price. Or so I hope as I just ordered a Ruger American Hunter in 308 Win. that'll arrive from the distributor next week. The barrel length is only 20" but it comes with Magpul stock, thick barrel, rail for optic and a muzzle break. I'll be sure to check Ammoseek for the Hornady ammo you mentioned.
@@1977Yakko I'm interested in their new SFAR it's a small frame AR-10 chambered in ,308win it's not much bigger or heavier than an AR-15 the 16" barreled version weighs in just over 7lbs best I remember and the 20" version just over 8lbs, fully loaded with a 20,round mag, an optic, and bipod it'd still weigh less than most bare AR-10,'s
@@notchagrandpa8875 AR-10s used to be fairly affordable but the gun and ammo buying panic drove their price up considerably. Heck, even AKs cost as much as a mid tier AR-15 which is ridiculous. 15 or so years ago, I got a Romanian AK (SAR-1) for $300. A similar AK today costs $700-$800 which is insane. AR-10s used to be sub $1000 but now it seems most start at something like $1200. At least ammo prices have stabilized though they haven't dropped to anything near pre-panic levels. Recreational shooting used to be an affordable hobby but these days literally 3 out of 4 trips to the range I shoot .22s so I can still enjoy my hobby without breaking the budget. Taking up the 308 Winchester will be pricey but shooting it through a bolt action will at least limit how fast I go through my ammo.
I shopped these same guns a while back. I decided to spend $100 more dollars and get the weatherby vanguard. All of these guns felt so cheap, gappy, rattly, just cheap overall. The vanguard felt like a Cadillac in comparison. I have no doubt they can get the job done, but just decided to go with a slightly more premium gun. Very glad I did.
I’m aware this is an older video but this audio was brutal.
That Ruger is the best rifle on your table hands down
Dude Lebowski 😂😂you must work for savage...BC you a savage LOSER!!
@Dude Lebowski both my6 exis rifle suck donkey nads. Mag feed is worthless when the firing pin doesnt hit the primer hard enough to fire the round. i disassebled one cleaned both of the bolts. fixed the 7-08, bit not the 223. have tried a buch of different quality ammos. hornady, remington, winchester. I shoot no junk plinking crap. have 3 rugers, no mag issues with them or my 2 compasses.
@Dude Lebowski add another rotation of spring tension to the rotary spring on the Ruger magazines and you'll never have an issue. And they will outshoot any savage out of the box, and for years to come.
Dude Lebowski, try the go wild or predator with AI or AR mags. Problem solved
@@tonylwright he had a leupold scope going against a weaver, thats a tad bit unfair and totally untrue. I own the savage axis but thats not even why im commenting. The difference is caliber, some calibers are just better in accuracy than others. A ruger american chambered in .308 more than likely wont outshoot an axis in 6.5, likewise a ruger in 6.5 might outshoot a savage in .308. The .308 cartridge catches wind way more than the creedmoor and falls way faster, making it harder to hit a target way out making the caliber the reason the rifle is inaccurate. A good caliber backed with an alright rifle will almost always outshoot a good rifle with an alright caliber. My savage is in 6.5 and its often joked that the 6.5 will make up for shooter error, it is stupid accurate. My next creedmoor will have a bull barrel because 5 shots then cooling off the barrel isnt the funnest but its a very accurate rifle. It holds its own to my brothers 2 model 700's and they are in .30-06 and .300aac blackout. I changed my weaver scope out for a barska gen 2 6-24x50 scope also, that made a huge difference.
My Marlin XS7 in .308 is a tack driver. It has the floating bolt head, barrel nut and accu trigger from Savage. The stock sux. That why I floated the barrel and bedded the action.👍
My mossberg patriot was doing the same thing and I figured out that the sling stud in the forend was resting against the barrel once I fixed that it shoots 1 inch moa all day long
I'd like to see you guys revisit the subject later and include the Winchester XPR. I handled one in my local gun shop yesterday and for the price range it seemed next level on quality and features.
Love my Mossberg Patriot 270 walnut stock!! Tackdriver!!
Terribly unfortunate about the Thompson Center Compass. I agree that the mags are awkward but they are easy to get used to. I can't imagine what caused that issue with the cartridges getting stuck inside them. I find my TC Compass to be a pleasure to shoot with a good muzzle break and the build quality quite good. Got mine for $300 and I couldn't be happier.
Backfire is a great name for this channel... don't tell you the calibers, sound like they are talking through a PVC pipe, use all different scopes. Not very scientific.
I have 3 Ruger Americans and I absolutely love them, I get less than 1moa even at 200 meters ++++ no problem in 223, 308 and 30-06, all same group sizes, after Ruger American I would go for either Tikka T3 or lastly Howa 1500
I haven’t shot the Howa 1500 yet but completely agree with you on the Ruger and Tikka. Great guns.
I have the Axis in a 30/06 deadly accurate with Remington ammo at 100 yards. I have dropped several deer and I mean dropped when they were shot then went down right there no tracking. Great gun for the price. Would by it again if I didn't have one.
Michael Hembree I also have the axis in 30-06 have dropped deer and elk in their tracks up to 200yds with Winchester ammo
I respect your review and obviously you can't argue with bad results. That being said I did a lot of research before purchasing a rifle and I decided on the mossberg patriot in .270. I shoot federal premium btsp Sierra game kings 150 grain. It's an absolute tack driver. Dead accurate every time. It's unfortunate to see yours did not work out for you.
I have a Ruger American in .270 and I love it!
The patriots accuracy is the scope, I had the same cheap scope it came on and shot like 8-9 inch groups after a while I finally got a new scope, it shoots amazing now
They tried 2 different scopes on it, they said the one on there wasn't the one it came with.
I had an el cheapo scope on one of my rifles and I learned quickly that good glass is worth every penny.
I bought a patriot predator and it shoots sub moa groups at 200 yards. Haven’t hunted with it or anything, but I’ve taken it to the range a few times and put about 200 rounds through it. 🤷🏻♂️ I was impressed haha. Sad to see y’alls did so poorly.
Keyholing is bad. Keyholing means the bullets are tumbling through the air and hitting paper sideways.
spinitsidewayz oh then I’ve always misunderstood the phrase haha. What’s it’s called when it hits the same spot twice and you can’t even barely tell there were two shots?
If you shot these rifles straight out of the box you were going to have problems. I never call quality on a firearm until I’ve shot at least 50 rounds through it to break it in. This is pretty common knowledge to anyone familiar with firearms and shooting.
I have a savage axis 308, I shoot 168 grain and have no problem with it. The recoil is very controllable, it has a solid stock, and the trigger without the acutriger is still a amazing gun.
Great review. You discovered what I did when I was getting back into shooting. Ruger American Predator and Ranch are great rifles as well.
Looking for my mini 14 rat now
I love my TC compass. Tested many different brands of ammo and the Winchester .308 caliber shoots amazing from this gun. Shot three rounds through one hole at 100yds, I have just a cheap scope from Amazon.
Correction cheap scope is on my .556, I have a Nikon on this gun.
I think a really good follow-up video would be to retest these rifles after dialing them in. Adjust triggers (no gunsmiths, just what the stock trigger allows), put a mid range scope on them and see what happens.
I knew I recognized you guys from somewhere. Income School has been a great value to me. This video is real diversification guys.
What on EARTH happened with the Patriot?? Out of the box I got my .308 shooting sub-MOA. I sold my Remington 700 because the patriot was performing just as well, if not better.
I'm looking to get my first ever hunting rifle and I'm having trouble choosing. I like the Patriot but it seems like there's mixed feelings about it. Like the plastic magazine and the scope. Could you give me any tips or pointers on the Patriot? I would really like answers from someone who actually owns one. Thanks in advance
Having handled and worked with a multitude of each of these models my anecdotal analysis is similar. They all have a higher "lemon" rate than more expensive models. The most lemons come from Mossberg. I've seen scope mounts drilled crooked, cracked and warped stocks, malfunctioning firing pins, and the slop in the bolt would make a person cry. I refuse to buy a Mossberg rifle. Ruger American most commonly has the forend warped and touching the barrel, easy fix. TC has many magazine and stock issues. Savage and the Remington we're the least problematic. Ruger and Savage almost always shot the best. Just my experience.
It's a shame the Ruger American isn't under $350 anymore. I want to buy one and it's $470. I'm not really concerned about that but it's annoying because I need to add a decent scope and replace the chassis which is almost the same price as the entire rifle itself.
My Mossberg Patriot in 308 is sub MOA BUT I had to fix it to get there. The problem was one of the front picatinny rail screws was slightly sticking up preventing the scope base from seating properly. The tapped hole in the receiver was not deep enough. Rather than mess with a tap I ground the screw about 0.04 inch shorter and Viola, one ragged hole with 150 gr. Remingtons.