Matrix vs XMPP (vs IRC) - open source tech thoughts

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  • čas přidán 8. 11. 2020
  • The XMPP room is now closed. My XMPP account: ChrisWere@snopyta.org
    "Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol is a communication protocol for message-oriented middleware based on XML. It enables the near-real-time exchange of structured yet extensible data between any two or more network entities." -Wikipedia
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Komentáře • 31

  • @room641A
    @room641A Před 3 lety +16

    5:57 "if freenode goes down tomorrow" LMAO YOU PREDICTED THE FUTURE

  • @biasedriot3603
    @biasedriot3603 Před 3 lety +11

    This is pretty interesting. On top of Matrix being fairly bloated considering it's a chat application I found the instillation of Matrix so much more annoying than XMPP to the point where I didn't bother setting one up.

    • @biggyk87
      @biggyk87 Před 7 měsíci

      I know this is 2 years old but I just had to mention that Im dealing with the same thing. Well.. I got the basics setup but it just seems its one thing after another and no way to fully disable federation. All I wanted was a mean for family to chat privately. The "saving keys" for encryption is going to cause havic with the non tech. Matrix is not the answer in this case.

  • @leftylayman1899
    @leftylayman1899 Před 3 lety +18

    I've been running a Matrix Synapse server with 20ish users for 3 months on a 2GB ram VPS with no problem. Also there's Dendrite in beta, which "is a second-generation Matrix homeserver written in Go." that uses significantly less resources.

  • @bazurk_dot_com
    @bazurk_dot_com Před 3 lety +5

    great video. just got my own server and i am really enjoying xmpp.

  • @sjcap4233
    @sjcap4233 Před 3 lety +5

    Great video Chris, I still love irc and xmpp because of its simplicity, Thank You.

  • @ChrisWereDigital
    @ChrisWereDigital  Před 3 lety

    My XMPP room: WhoWhatWere@muc.snopyta.org - My XMPP account: ChrisWere@snopyta.org
    You can sign up for an XMPP account at movim.eu - snopyta.org - nomagic.uk among other places

  • @DingoAteMeBaby
    @DingoAteMeBaby Před 3 lety +12

    you never really compared matrix and xmpp

  • @IPODsify
    @IPODsify Před 2 lety +2

    I just learned about XMPP, but where the hell do you find an xmpp address, I can find an IRC chat any side of the internet but looking up XMPP only results in these kind of youtube videos or tutorials for setting up your own server. I don't want to make a server, I just want to see what one looks like

  • @paulgupta2454
    @paulgupta2454 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Just tried messaging you at the linked xmpp address in the description and it didn't work!

  • @slackingsource
    @slackingsource Před 3 lety +2

    Irc is centralized and lacks a lot of features I'd like, so I dont consider it that much of an alternative anymore.

  • @Wesleym134
    @Wesleym134 Před 3 lety +6

    When it comes to IRC I usually use the terminal based Weechat client.

  • @dv8tion242
    @dv8tion242 Před 3 lety

    Citadel BBS's are (were) better than iRC ;) Dunno much about the new versions of Cit though.

  • @MsHojat
    @MsHojat Před 3 lety +6

    I disagree with the unnecessity of archiving messages. Sure it shouldn't need to be kept on servers, but it can still be useful for people to see, whether kept on the server or whether people keep it on their own archives.
    Not all messages are just opinions that can be used against them.There can be code snippets, wise quotes, links to funny/interesting videos/images that you don't know the name of and which would be otherwise difficult to find, etc.

    • @MrCooll971
      @MrCooll971 Před 3 lety

      Actually, this is a bit how WhatsApp seems to be doing it. If you reinstall the app you lose all your old messages so it seems to only keep them on the device.

  • @cyanflux
    @cyanflux Před rokem +1

    IRC is decentralised. It's federated.

    • @paulgupta2454
      @paulgupta2454 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Sort of. It depends on which network you use. The key here is that it's a which network you are using question. Within a single network the servers are indeed all federated. However the networks are not federated. You can't contact someone logged into freenode with a libera account for instance. At all. They don't talk.

    • @cyanwarewolf
      @cyanwarewolf Před 11 měsíci

      @@paulgupta2454 That is indeed true. Thank you for the elaboration.

  • @climatechangedoesntbargain9140

    Where is the actual comparison between XMPP and Matrix?
    Matrix luckily is more than simple text chat, and has quite promising innovations compared to XMPP, especially when it comes to decentralization, encryption, usability at scale and autonomy.

    • @linuxoidovich
      @linuxoidovich Před rokem +1

      XMPP может в шифрование.

  • @Hyvelez
    @Hyvelez Před 3 lety +6

    Where Matrix is going to shine is on large communities. That's why it gonna be the perfect alternative for Slack and Discord users.

  • @joseph19012
    @joseph19012 Před rokem +1

    The source code is valuable to hackers crafting zero days which is the most likely Reason Google closed it off when adding new features as that is the most vulnerable time.

    • @Cookiekeks
      @Cookiekeks Před rokem

      Security through obfuscation is a bad idea and Google nows that. This is unlikely to be the reason.

    • @shxdow9
      @shxdow9 Před 7 měsíci

      It’s 100% not the reason

  • @paulgupta2454
    @paulgupta2454 Před 11 měsíci

    Lol