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CHAPTERS
00:00 INTRO / NEW FEATURES
02:40 MUSIC REBALANCE UPDATE
04:49 DIALOG ISOLATE UPDATE
06:50 DIALOG CONTOUR UPDATE
07:40 REPAIR ASSIST UPDATE
08:36 LOUDNESS OPTIMIZER
10:22 STREAMING PREVIEW
11:24 MID/SIDE FEATURE
13:07 ALTERNATIVES
15:04 IS IT WORTH IT?
17:07 OUTRO
#musicproducer #musicproduction #musicproducers - Hudba
What I really need is a “De-Shit” module for my own productions
i can relate
Lmfao
No CPU has enough power for that
lmao
It‘s called „mute button“.
8:41 - loudness optimizer isn't that complicated.
When streaming platforms measure the loudness of a song, they measure the full duration.
However - they omit the parts that aren't loud enough and only take the parts that are louder than a certain level.
So lets say you have an intro verse chorus and outro. Lets assume the integrated loudness of intro and verse are at -15 lufs but the chorus and outro are at -7 lufs.
Spotify simply ignores the intro and verse, and says "this song is -7lufs loud, I'll reduce 7 dbs to bring it to -14 lufs".
Had the intro and verse been slightly louder at say -13 lufs, then the average would be calculated at something like -10 lufs and Spotif would say "I'll reduce it -4 dbs to bring the average to -14 lufs". So, the chorus in this case will not play at -14 lufs, it will be playing at -11 lufs. 3 Dbs louder.
Loudness optimizer tries to identify these "will stay under the threshold - therefore not be included in the loudness measurement" sections of your song and brings their level up - this way they are included in the loudness measurement and they bring the overall integrated loudness of the song DOWN.
This was interesting to me too - but I did measure about a dozen of my mixes and it suggested minimal changes (most of my mixes were like 98% measured with very little sections below threshold) so while its definitely useful, it wasn't much use to me.
Acon Digital's tools are magic and a fraction of RX.
Best dialogue isolation plugin is Supertone Clear. Nothing else comes close
Agreed. I remember before release when it was called "Goyo". Blew my mind, better than anything else I'd ever tried.
thx
SpectralLayers 10 (v11 is about to be released on June 12) blows RX right out of the water, when it comes to mix rebalancing (stem separation). If you're only interested in "lifting" vocals, there's the SpctralLayers Elements. If you're a Cubase Pro user, I believe SpectralLayers One still comes bundled with it.
The free open source UVR is the best for vocal isolation and constantly updated with the latest algos
Is it any good with audio repair
I have rx10 advanced. Upgrade price was silly so I tried spectralayers 10. So glad I did - it amazing. Way better results than rx in splitting as everyone says but also in spectral editing. The magic selection is way better than rx. I haven’t used rx since.
13:06 remember the rx suite is really for post production.
Mid/Side is useful when working with stereo recordings. Recently I had to recover audio that was unintelligible due to it being a recording of a conference in an extremely reverberant large room. The conference speaker was not mic'd, and you could hear some other person speaking through a wall. This was recorded at the back of the room via a smartphone, and to the left and right was just people moving around on squeaky chairs and making random noises. There was also tons of hiss. Due to the sheer amount of reverb, and the talker not projecting their voice, no De-reverbing tool I had worked. I used RX9 deverb, GOYO/CLEAR, Clarity-deverb, Accusonous deverb. Even when split to left and right mono files did it help much. How ever splitting the audio into Center, L and R, I managed to recover and clean up the audio.
Yo... that is some audio forensics situation right there.
Wow this was super comprehensive and funny. Great video 🔥
Hey Weaver, great video! Really liked the comparisons and demo's. Felt really high quality!
This product is really aimed towards post-production ADR houses, not music. They just advertise the music capabilities to help boost sales, I use it in music. My friend in ADR uses the f**k out of it.
I think the top thing missed all the time about music rebalance is that it’s not a stem isolation tool. It’s called music rebalance because that’s the use case it was made for: all the stems you get out it will null against the original track when you mix them together again. This means that, let’s say as a mastering engineer, you get a track from a client which is already mixed and you only got a stereo file from it. The most common situation would be a 2 track recorded by a band from a live performance. Taking all those stems and separating them out lets you do light processing to them, for example: transient designer on drums, add reverb on vocals and guitar, add some thickness to bass with light saturation, etc. It’s not supposed to be this Mr. Clean magic eraser of audio, but with each iteration it has been getting better and producing less artifacts. But it will always be worse than a plugin/algorithm that solely focuses on extracting a vocal instead of giving you all stems without creating any artifacts when you mix the stems back together. I will add that it would definitely be helpful if they let you toggle the algorithm when you isolate only one instrument and have it be super duper aggressive and give you the option to have these artifacts if you so choose, but it would definitely not be a rebalancing tool anymore, it would be an isolation tool. This distinction may seem arbitrary but for some specific use-cases the music rebalance tool as it is now is a life-saver. That’s kind of the point of RX, it’s to have a suite of specialized tools that you might not need today but you might need tomorrow. To make a comparison: You might not need an impact drill to screw on a motherboard today, but you might need one tomorrow when you’re helping a buddy with home repairs. Could you use the impact drill to screw on the motherboard? Yes, but it isn’t the best tool for the job. Could you use a manual screwdriver to tap wood screws into a wall? Also yes, but it’s definitely not the best tool for the job. It’s all about having all of the tools so when you need them you have them.
Null factor is big agreed. They just need to add a ripx type or melodyne tool where you can grab and delete artifacts in some sort of spectral view
@@morganst.pierre what you're looking for is SpectraLayers then
Always enjoy the content, #1 audio production influencer.
EQing the Side and Mid differently during mastering is something I do on every single project all the time. You can make things appear wider due to psychoacoustics while avoiding the phantom center being overly strident, for one thing. Boosting top end on the Side only, avoiding harsh sibilants and hihats competing in the Mid against each other comes to mind. Certain types of audio repairing in the Mid only can be a lot less detrimental to the overall sound, e.g. come across as less dull in the top end. M/S is an everyday tool, used on lots of different things.
I do mid side eq often too. What I was referencing as something not being needed commonly is mid side processing with rx's specialized modules such as de-click, de-noise, dialog isolate etc... Good thing to add, because I'm sure there are times it will be the best choice. Definitely not common though.
@@Weaverbeats Gotcha. Granted these modules won't be seeing M/S all too often. Having said that, you can probably improve the dialog isolate a lot by addressing the Mid signal only just sayin'... Same goes for the crappy music rebalancer, when it comes to bass. When it comes to post production on recordings (not finished DAW mixes), certain microphone techniques will make the M/S feature a game changer for de-reverb as well. I guess, as you already point out in the video, unless you're a professional super-user doing stuff in RX on a daily basis for a living it's probably not worth the upgrade. (I don't think RX11 is worth the upgrade at all though, and decided against upgrading all our licenses at work because I am not going to let them milk us)
@@DerDankowhich rx do you have
@@MilliardBeats all licenses are Advanced. Currently a bunch of RX10 and a few RX9, just like you said depending on what the engineer does daily even RX9 might be just as good to get the task done. We're an audio department making AAA video game titles, the people specializing in VO/Dialogue are on RX10 while some audio designers are on RX9. They don't miss out on anything useful for their daily driver really, so that kind of confirm your claims.
@@DerDanko gotcha, thanks. I tried rx11 trial and now just trying to get feel for how other versions stack up since I’ll mostly only be using the denoise, de-click, and de-ess modules
Still watching the rest of the video, but the Dialog Isolate in RX11 totally got rid of the plosive pop on the P of "personal jokes though". That's actually pretty impressive.
intro hit the spot!
Greetings from R2R Team
i like the new private detective ahh background
im happy enough with rx6 xD
Mid/side processing is really useful for cleaning up needle drops as much of the surface noise and distortion will be there. But there have been freebie mid/side encoder plugins for decades so it’s not that big a deal, maybe saving a couple of mouse clicks.
I own RX 11, Acon Digital Acustica 7.5 and SpectraLayers Pro 10 most of the time I end using SpectraLayers, also Acustica is a great bundle for the price, RX 11 is amazing though.
In your opinion which one comes out on top specifically in terms of de-noise, de-click, and de-ess
@@MilliardBeats de-noise Acon Digital, De-Click Izotope sometimes Acon Digital gives better results, De-Ess Izotope since Acon only has DE - Ess Dialog which is amazing though. Spectralayers is the best on separating noise from dialog and it gives a track (Layer) for each. SL is also better when exporting dialog to text.
Izotope RX has saved audio from a bunch of sessions and products I have worked on. The fact it still exists in a world moving toward universal bankruptcy is a God send. Milk on Izotope 😂
The thing that would make me upgrade if it just worked a little better as a basic audio editor, it's good for cleaning stuff but I always bring it back to Audition.
RX used to require a restart to notice if you connected a new audio interface or if your audio interface went offline or was rebooted. It was pretty annoying. That’s why they added the device refresh.
Yeh it seems like something they should add in a mini update as opposed to a main feature on their website and video though
Whatever version of IZRX you have is fine.
Iunno 7 is looking a little long in the tooth
how did you know i was goonin 🥴
Spotify doesn't actually turn you up if your music is below -14 LUFS. That's why it's always better to have it as loud as you want it to be and just let streaming services turn it down.
I wonder how Spectralayers 11 is going to perform (in comparison)
As a post sound engineer RX is essential. You can’t keep up with the competition without it. As an upgrade I would wait a few versions.
Izotopes got wrecked when NI got in.
You mean private equity which ruined all three companies involved.
@@pwho405 nailed it! i hate it all 😭. i'm unsubscribing to plugin alliance mega bundle likely this year if they don't release any more plugins between now and then. I have most of them and when they were releasing 1 a month or so it made sense to have the sub and get 10 at the end of the year, these days nope. i upgraded to RX11 for some of the updates, but tbh i probably should have saved my money. i work on a podcast as a sound editor though so between that and the music bonuses it's pretty good.
@@pwho405 I stand corrected
NI = Good Guy Audio 😉💪🏿
Fairly certain spotify only turns DOWN your audio if its over their LUF target rather than turning up quiet audio.
they normalize, so that might bring the volume up if you didn't master your shit
Gooner checking in 🫡
Goonin'
Let's get to 100k
Wow brutal review. I just upgraded and while I agree that the upgrade price was too high. I do however like the software and I don't think there's anything else out there that can compete with this. In audio engineering it's actually become a staple. Listening to your review I think you should have stayed on 10 and skipped 11.
Spectralayers most definitely competes with RX. It has functionality that RX doesn't which has come in handy a couple times for me.
You know they just feed that shit into ChatGPT and call it a day 😂 I just looked up the price for the standard edition RX11 and was like nahhhh
hmm... between all the upgrades over the last year - I think I did pretty good just paying for the annual suite
I always sidechain my synths to the MID channel, and run a send from the SIDE channels over into a double-staggered reverb.
This MID/SIDE upgrade is EASILY worth $2500 to me.
...Maybe even a kajillion dollars...or more.
😵💫 I can't tell if this mindfk is joking or serious…
I've had RX since version 7, and this is the first version that I'm not going to upgrade to. Even when I have RX10, I use UVR5 for stem separation, which definitely does a better job than RX rebalance, and even though I hate Waves, I use Clarity de-reverb because it definitely works better than RX's de-reverb. Everything else from RX is good the way it is in RX 10, and I couldn't care less for dialog isolate or anything similar. So no, I don't care for this new update.
REVERIE!
just out of curiosity , what would be a good plug in / app / whatever to create stems ??? , was thinking of remixing a buddies track and was wondering how i could create some stems to make a remix from ..
Good stuff. Basically we're totally on the same page. I'm a mastering engineer and also do audio restoration for re-release of vinyls that have been off the market since decades or stuff from old tapes. So this kind of tools is kinda important to me. But I've been feeling ripped off by Izotope since RX9 and haven;t upgraded to RX11. They pushed it too far. Thanks for suggesting these alternatives.
There is a pretty good dialog isolation in Davinci Resolve in the Fairlight part. It is in the paid version but hey once you buy it you have lifetime upgrade. I bought it in Version 15 an it is still free update to Version 19. There also some other audio tools in Fairlight. Would be nice if someone would try the Fairlight part for Mixing/Mastering only. And you get nested timelines. I think no other DAW (yes Resolve is not really a DAW) has this feature which I would like to see. This would be much better as the arranger tool in Cubase.
Reverie
That lower level threshold/compression thing is already in Ozone, right? They’ve just ported it to RX11?
SPECTRALAYSERS IS AWESOME! :)
Better than what REason is offering with v13 lol.
bro you can do affiliate links. we trust u
Plugin companies are in the final stages. Izotope, plugin alliance etc have been worse since the buyout. Good on Dirk for getting flood money and selling out
I decided to get it. It only took 10 minutes to realize it was a waste of money. Never again.
I get their new version stuff free every year and I still use oz9 and rx8 😂
Wow, how do you look over SpectraLayers like that.
SpectraLayers has the best stem splitting and the tools are better then rx.
FYI spectralayers 11 is coming out on the 13th so would love to see a vid on that.
🤫
Ripx better than both of those, for stems.
@@maddflow01 RipX uses Demucs which is freely available in Ultimate Vocal Remover. So why pay for RipX when you can get UVR5 for free?
@@maddflow01 I agree!
RipX is better than RX and Spectralayers ( I have the 3 of them).
16:43 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Optimising audio based on loudness could have been done using Wavelab long before RX11
I have every version and never used it
Does anyone know if izotope is using ai mixing tool to harvest data ? They gave out a “free” plugin and I’m almost certain that’s what’s happening
did u get a new camera?
Nah had to move again still setting things up, lighting might be slightly different. Also was trying out not using the wide angle lens.
I do audio for film and video, as well as podcasts, and I use this all the time. Nearly all my work requires some degree of fixing audio that was either badly recorded or recorded in an uncontrolled environment.
Would I say it's worth upgrading from 10 to 11? Probably not, given the absurd predatory upgrade prices they have and the fact that the changes aren't at all groundbreaking enough to justify that. There's some changes, sure, but if you already have 10, you're probably perfectly fine, and don't need to put down the hundreds of dollars to get 11.
Agreed
Damn that Adobe podcast enhance sounded awful, what is it trying to achieve? :o
I haven't updated since RX8 because there simply are no good reasons for doing so. RX 9 was released like 6 months after V8, and V10 was released like 6 months after v9. These shouldn't be major version updates, but rather minor ones. However, the reason they do this is to remove the incentive to buy perpetual licenses so that people choose the subscription service instead (so that you get all updates for free). Really shady business model.
I have RX10, but find I normally use other, better products that have come out since RX10. Now with those, and the new FREE Logic update (with a great stem separator), I doubt I’ll upgrade to RX11. Izotope seems to have gone downhill since joining up with Native Instruments.
As a funk-rock-metal guitarist into audio engineering and producing - I can tell you Izotope's guitar denoise doesn't work very well aside from hum/amp noise - granted I haven't tried the latest module. I've tried the previous module and was thoroughly unimpressed. It kinda works a bit, but it's not how those pristine guitar recordings get done. The older method was to go into the recording in your daw, and automate volume drops on the noises - hand slides, fret noise etc - And that still works way better than Izotope guitar denoise, but the ultimate way to do it today is with spectral editing, you can basically go in, lower or take out noises completely to your hearts content. I'll use Spectralayers in Cubase to do it personally. That thing is like Photoshop for audio. Amazing.
I think you can do that in RX too if I remember right, but I don't really use RX, have no need. Cubase plus Spectralayers is all I need for my work. I have pretty good technique on guitar, I try to keep all my noises to a minimum to begin with, even amp noises are mostly cut off with gates during the recording, and that helps a lot, saves a lot of time in editing ;) But sometimes you just have to edit down some noises and manually is much better than RX's auto module. In any serious recording - the engineer is going to do it manually, not with an auto tool like RX guitar denoise.
It's just like de-essing vocals. If you go in manually and automate volume drops just on the plosives and sibilance, then only do just a little of bit of deessing on a plugin later - you get a much nicer result than completely relying on the de-essing plugin. It's time consuming, but the result is much much much better and any serious recording will have the engineer fine tuning manually like this and not taking an auto-shortcut.
I left Izotope products years ago....
NO MONEY NO AFFILIATE? PUT YOUR HANDS UP! STATE YOUR INTENT RIGHT NOW! NO YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR HANDS DOWN TO WRITE.
I updated to nectar 4 from 3, ozone 9 to 11, neutron 3 to 4, and rx 7 to 11 for 150 bucks, think I did okay
When was this upgrade price? Own the same stuff, Never Seen a Price like that
@@cubexBeatscause it doesn’t exist… some many deluded around… don’t believe every comment you read.
@@cubexBeatscause it doesn’t exist… so many deluded around… don’t believe every comment you read.
A few months ago plug-in boutique had this upgrade for $150 , I bought it then.
@@curtisjames67 ah wait, are we talking about rx7 standard to 11 standard? I thought those other plugins with rx advanced :D
Nice video. But I would say Rx is a bit of a mixed product. I think all the people I know that work in post production(audio for video) use some version of RX. I used to think music production is not their main focus, but they added music related features in time and they include it in the music production suite sale going on right now… I’m not sure their acquisition is doing the product any good…
17:30 I am pretty sure you said 57 k
I managed to get okay results from RX10 de-hum and de-clip, but obviously that varies track by track. Otherwise, I haven't gotten RX to do any magic tricks. SpectraLayers is decent for stem separation, it's VERY good for manual edits (removing coughs etc), and Davinci Resolve Studio does denoise and dialogue isolation+balancing, and VSL Vienna Suite's Exciter for adding a bit of sheen to old timey footage...
I have not found a single good de-reverb that's not for human speech. Concert footage with reverb in it? Kiss your ass goodbye, shiny plugins won't save you.
Yes, I would love to see a de-reverb dedicated to musical instruments (and not vocals or dialogue).
using music rebalance to isolate vocals is a bit weird. its for adjusting levels to elements like vocal drums and bass. not isolating.
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@@You_Made_A_Fatal_Mistake_Ladthats even more cringe than his comment
Then next upgrade will be Ai assistance lol
300$ for advanced upgrade. Insane (((((
Comment for the algo
so I should protect my udders from iZotope 🐄
you dont have to explain what lufs is dawg
if you dont know what a lufs is bro
I always prepresent the aytow
the what now?
@@crnkmnky The aytow. Keep up.
I've been going to "Russia" since the 90's. Still do. In fact they made me an honorary citizen. 🤷♂
why would you call your viewers gooners?
That repair thing is pretty shit... music rebalance with a dereverb normally does the trick on vocals...
Tbh, I use ozone in RX to master...
Gooners?? I feel attacked (and seen).
I still have like RX8 or something. JFC
Spectralayers isn't as good as RX11, its getting better but its not as useful. And yes, izotope costs way to much for very little change from one version to the next.
SpectraLayers is way better than RX these days. I’ve used RX since version 3 and I won’t be upgrading to 11, 10 does everything I’ll need.
The loyalty offers on Izotope's plugins aren't great. Not worth it...
who buys plugins? pirate ftw
I honestly think iZotope felt off. I own all of their plugins, including RX 10 Advance. I don't need the new version; I have better tools to remove noise and reverb from recordings. Clear by Supertone does a fantastic job and is way cheaper and faster. Also, I have Ozone 11, and I'm using more Masterplan as it does a tremendous job mastering music. I knew RX11 would be mid-upgrade since they were pushing hard for people to buy the old version before the new one was available. Also, it makes think the beta testers are marketers, not audio professionals.
You can’t even make trap high hat rolls in RX11. Smh
I don't want to defend izotope, but Music Rebalance is Not a stem separator/maker. You gotta stop spewing the hate playboi. It's meant to sound correct in THE CONTEXT of the other elements of the 2-track. I've tried to mention this to you on your streams, you have the wrong perception of this tool. You're thinking of it like a producer, not a post-production engineer. UVR will NOT phase out against the original 2-track, additionally if there's any silence at the the start of the track it removes it, now you've lost your timing! I've tested it a couple of times. Music Rebalance will PHASE OUT against the original 2-track and preserves file length time: this is VERY important for ENGINEERS that work in POST or MIXING.
Yoooo spectralayers is way better!!! BEST STEM SEPARATION!!!😮
My DAW came with all the tools for that job. Guess which one. ;-)
audacity
FL Studio
Cubase/nuendo
@@ValerinePrisma beat me to it
FL Studio 21 All Plugins Bundle, like what I have.
NI and izotope and now even arturia are making very dumb, sound-the-same crap.
I am occasionally using izotope for upclose vocal recording. That is it. I am mystified by the need to ever use most of their tools. Like... how badly are we recording things?
RX 7 btw. and yeah i never feel behind.
There is a basic issue with RX. Any tools designed to "save" vocal tracks that change the tone of said tracks noticeably, they are tail chasing dogs. Not a single one of these fixers avoids breaking the primary, front facing character of a vocal. So, sure, short clips of a person who does not show up elsewhere in a documentary? But a singer for three minutes? A character or person you are supposed to care about and get to know? Absolutely no way I would ever let RX near it.
waves is based in tel aviv?? even more reason not to buy shit from them lol
What is a good tool for stems? I’m
Not in the know at all.
If you have a Mac Logic Pro 11’s new stem splitter is worth the hype.
RipX has been getting a lot of love in the comments section recently (unclear to me if it’s bots).
Fadr works good, is free and gives you the MIDI as well. The MIDI is reliable for most of the stuff I've done so far!
Ultimate Vocal Remover (UVR5) is free and uses DMUCS which is the best process method out there and you can pick between 5 and 6 stems. It runs in your machine so it doesn't depend on the web.
Dude ! Knowing Production stuff is not nerdy. You set yourself in a weird spot (especially as a musician)
I've recently stumbled across a few of your audio news videos. I liked them, but to showcase mastered music while simultaneously being incognizant of LU or LUFS and the importance of multiband mid-side processing is amateurish.
14:10 oh nice i have another reason to not have any interest in waves lmao
Regarding the music rebalance... it uses the same algorithm as most other tools of the same kind... even the free ones. The source algorithm was made by one guy and is used by nearly everyone
Yet another vote for Acon Digital. I am Acon first and only revert to RX if essential, which is rare. Also +1 for Sheisto-tope being absolute scammers. Passing off cheap Chardonnay from a Sodastream at Champagne prices... Worst of all...their plugins being renumbered means old projects don't open on new installs... garbage tier software.... AVOID 🤬
vocal "remover"? eeeehm... so when I "remove vocals" I expect an instrumental as a result and not an accapella.... shouldn't it be called "vocal extractor" or something then..? just saying
I probably didn't make this clear enough you can isolate the drums, Vocals, Bass, melody or just the instrumental
I think you should leave