Ep.1: 660 Fifth: William K. Vanderbilt mansion

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  • In Beyond Gilded Ep.1: 660 Fifth We visit the New York City mansion of Alva and William K. Vanderbilt. Designed by Richard Morris Hunt, 660 Fifth transformed Gilded Age architecture and defined the look of American Luxury.
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Komentáře • 410

  • @mrsdashwood9700
    @mrsdashwood9700 Před 4 lety +121

    Thank you so much for not having annoying background music!

    • @katjustice7937
      @katjustice7937 Před 3 lety +2

      I was actually annoyed by the tag team male and female narration.. What was the purpose of that??

    • @mrsdashwood9700
      @mrsdashwood9700 Před 3 lety +1

      @@katjustice7937 I agree, that was kind of weird.

    • @jomama5186
      @jomama5186 Před 2 lety

      @@katjustice7937 I

    • @odannyboy3338
      @odannyboy3338 Před 2 lety +2

      If I could hit 1,000 thumbs up, I would on this comment!! Thank you, great video

  • @greutera
    @greutera Před 4 lety +140

    These beautiful structures being torn down continues today with older more historic homes viewed as dispensible. Truly a tragedy that so many of our treasures haven't survived.

    • @maggiemae7749
      @maggiemae7749 Před 4 lety +7

      They are erasing history

    • @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr
      @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr Před 2 lety +2

      They are works of art. It's like dumping the Mona Lisa in favor of a paint-by-number.

    • @cassandraralph5906
      @cassandraralph5906 Před 2 lety +1

      Dare I say it, but most of these mansions were very expensive to maintain, and keep them safe from deterioration. Those that are still standing today, frequently struggle to keep up with the costs of water, heating, electricity etc, and maintenance plus the taxman, which is why so many of them have been turned into hotels, conference centers, and museums, and high class apartments. Bluntly honest with you.

  • @ladytron9188
    @ladytron9188 Před 4 lety +327

    It was an absolutely crime to demolish that beautiful house.

    • @lynnetmb4706
      @lynnetmb4706 Před 4 lety +3

      Lady Tron
      Screw it. Dead rich people’s houses. Buying history through art purchases.
      I see dead rich peoples estates as museums, but only for the shit they collected, or hoarded.
      We have enough damn buildings in New York.

    • @musicom67
      @musicom67 Před 4 lety +42

      @@lynnetmb4706 Yup. In 2021, let's continue the trend by removing Trump Tower on Fifth Ave. except the only thing DJT hoarded were empty KFC buckets and Trump Grill "Taco Boat" containers.

    • @catcook3324
      @catcook3324 Před 4 lety +67

      The cretins that relied to your comment have no concept of what craftsmanship is, or what it feels like to create such beautiful exquisite works of art. Carving marble, wood or gilding anything completely eludes them.

    • @ILoveManCity.
      @ILoveManCity. Před 4 lety +43

      @@lynnetmb4706 Do you realize that the Vanderbilts are part of the city"s and countrys creation as we know it? NYC exist thanks to the Vanderbilts who made the railways so people could reach the filthy unsuccessful island that it was at the time? and the Rockefellers who constructed the first skyscrapers and the Carnegie's whos steel production made the US the first economy in the world. I also think is a crime to demolish the buildings that were part of the creation and success of this country most importantly from families who were very poor before becoming powerful the last couple generations of those familes could be trash if u say so but let not forget the patriarcs. .

    • @musicom67
      @musicom67 Před 4 lety +10

      @@catcook3324 Perfect example is how Trump made his first F-U to the city by stripping the old Commodore Hotel by GCT and making into that glass-walled bedbug-fest that is sked for renewal only 40 years later...

  • @pmn2821
    @pmn2821 Před 4 lety +29

    Brings tears knowing this is no longer with us.

  • @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr
    @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr Před 3 lety +13

    Outstanding presentation. I have seen photos of the outside of this amazing work of art many times, but until now had not seen any of the interior. Nicely done,,, and thankfully, no irritating background music or computerized voices.

    • @smylsie
      @smylsie Před 2 lety +3

      Bloody awful computerized voices make me turn off immediately.

  • @anonz975
    @anonz975 Před 3 lety +5

    Excellent narration. Both voices blended perfectly.

  • @vincentestone5764
    @vincentestone5764 Před 3 lety +6

    This was VERY entertaining & informative. DO MORE !!!!

  • @nicoledamico4428
    @nicoledamico4428 Před 4 lety +32

    I’m pretty sure it was this type of “rarefied” taste that Edith Wharton wrote of with horror in her novels about the society she grew up in. Seeing this video, my guess is, Alba Vanderbilt was part of the composite of real-life NY socialites which informed characters like the self-obsessed Undine Spragg in her brilliant oeuvre, The Custom of the Country. Mrs. Wharton explains that old New York families saw homes like this as garish, and the poor taste of Nuveau Riche, whose ostentation undermined the foundation of what American aristocracy stood for. Alba drew prominent families to her home by being undeniably wealthy and offering her guests rare amenities like an enormous ballroom, but they looked down on her unbridled displays of wealth which flaunted the principals of accepted American aesthetics. The most venerable families lived in homes valuing architectural temperance and thrift, built by the heirs of their ancestors who founded our country. It was the blood linage that mattered more than the size of the bank account.

  • @penelope-oe2vr
    @penelope-oe2vr Před 4 lety +4

    Absolutely beautiful! Thank you for not having annoying background music!

  • @pavelow235
    @pavelow235 Před 4 lety +7

    Glad to have CZcams recommend this video hope you restart the series and get a surge of subscribers. Very interesting, thank you.

  • @jimbrown8818
    @jimbrown8818 Před 2 lety +6

    Many of the architectural elements (and RM Hunt's genius) can be seen in GW Vanderbilt's Biltmore House in Asheville, NC.

  • @zajournals
    @zajournals Před 4 lety +5

    Such a shame these amazing architectural artworks are gone.

  • @Belit01
    @Belit01 Před 5 lety +42

    Fantastic home of a lady who had nothing to lose by aiming for the stars with her choices of architects, interior designers and bountiful funds to support it all. Alva did very well for herself and her family in accepting William Kissim Vanderbilts proposal of marriage. Being the favored son only added luster to their lives when he inherited the bulk of his fathers fortune. Too bad these great houses could'nt've been moved to their own estate where smart trusts could've maintained them for posterity.

    • @FumariVI
      @FumariVI Před 3 lety +6

      Alva Vanderbilt was a self-centered, arrogant woman. Everything she did was for her own self aggrandizement, including pushing her daughter Consuelo into a loveless marriage to a European royal who was having financial difficulties. Willie K. probably breathed a sigh of relief when he and Alva divorced. By the way Willie K. was not the "favored son" of William Vanderbilt. He and his brother Cornelius Vanderbilt II shared the bulk of their father's estate when William H. Vanderbilt died.

    • @radamik
      @radamik Před 3 lety +3

      Yes Alva by all accounts seemed to be a despicable and repulsive person, hardly mitigated by her fabulous taste and so forth. There are plenty of good decent people with “fabulous” taste.

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      @rogershane8676 Před 2 lety

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      @kaimarcus7966 Před 2 lety

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  • @rainwalker2254
    @rainwalker2254 Před 4 lety +8

    You just can't take it with you.
    Places like this are nice to visit, like a museum, but they don't feel like a home.
    Give me a cozy tiny home on a small plot of land, over all this opulence.
    The older I get the more I yearn for simplicity.
    Oh, how I wish I had felt this way twenty years ago.

  • @rollingtones1
    @rollingtones1 Před 4 lety +43

    I highly recommend the book "The Myth of the Robber Barons" to put the Vanderbilts and other industrial giants of that era into their proper context.

  • @donaldbrown4711
    @donaldbrown4711 Před 3 lety +7

    Supposedly built in 1882. Looks like a mud flooder to me with first floor windows below ground. No one builds a retaining wall for basement windows.

  • @njhawk89
    @njhawk89 Před 4 lety +7

    A wonderful look at the start of the Gilded Age! For the inside story behind 660 Fifth Avenue, a great account is in the book FORTUNE'S CHILDREN: THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF VANDERBILT. Alva was an unforgettable character, who kept re-inventing herself and became a leader of the Women's Suffrage movement. Truly an American original!

    • @solangedesantis5515
      @solangedesantis5515 Před 4 lety +1

      Great book. Alva was indeed more than a "society lady." Fascinating character.

    • @FumariVI
      @FumariVI Před 3 lety

      Yes, Alva was an unforgettable character, but not in a good way. The more I have read about her the more repulsive she seems.

  • @HankMeyer
    @HankMeyer Před 4 lety +19

    You should do a video about their son Willie Jr.'s house next door at 666 Fifth Ave. Not just because it's an interesting house, but also because it lives on as the architectural inspiration for a recent Dungeons & Dragons gothic horror adventure called "Death House."

  • @John_Fugazzi
    @John_Fugazzi Před 4 lety +37

    So sad to see craftsmanship on this high level destroyed. For the record:
    William K. Vanderbilt died in July 1920. 660 was sold to the Empire Trust Co. They sold it in 1925 to Benjamin Winter, a developer, who tore it down to build a 20-story residential building. Winter and fellow real estate speculator Frederick Brown tore down most of the mansions on Fifth Ave. to build larger buildings.
    That building was subsequently torn down and replaced with a 40-story skyscraper. Now (2020) it is being completely remade into a glass-walled tower by Brookfield Properties.

    • @19gregske55
      @19gregske55 Před 4 lety +7

      It would be interesting to know if there is any architectural salvage from the house that one can see, today...

    • @Engelhafen
      @Engelhafen Před 4 lety +5

      Booooooo

    • @FumariVI
      @FumariVI Před 3 lety +2

      One of those New York city lower end real estate developers was Fred Trump, father of former (thank Gawd) president Donald Bozo Trump.

    • @heathernewman5272
      @heathernewman5272 Před 2 lety

      Thank you. I was wondering what could possibly be the reason for demolishing such an amazing place.

  • @Samantha-ys2pp
    @Samantha-ys2pp Před 3 lety +2

    Such a great channel! I wish you'd upload more. Very well executed.

  • @brianaquinas216
    @brianaquinas216 Před 4 lety +39

    Welcome to America...We ruin much of our past time after time.....tragic.

    • @brandismith9050
      @brandismith9050 Před 4 lety +2

      Brian Aquinas , amen. I don’t believe most Americans know true culture.

    • @cynthiamorton3583
      @cynthiamorton3583 Před 3 lety

      Sadly, many countries and communities do the same.

  • @charliemoore-ward6219
    @charliemoore-ward6219 Před 4 lety +5

    Wow! You both did an excellent job with this!

  • @gerardomalave3664
    @gerardomalave3664 Před 3 lety +4

    Extraordinary mansion ! Do you know, what happened with all those: Art, Boiserie wood and the magnificent furniture collection ? Thank for share !

  • @biggerock
    @biggerock Před 3 lety +4

    Just a couple comments: at about 5:19 you quote Alva as saying that her house was the first "important" house in New York not faced with brownstone and without a high stoop. I guess it depends on what is meant by an "important house". The A.T. Stewart mansion was the most magnificent home in New York when it was completed in the late 1860s; it was faced with marble and lacked a high stoop. in 1869 Mary Mason Jones completed a row of marble-faced town homes on Fifth Avenue, just a few blocks from where the Vanderbilt mansion would later be built. Her row of houses were built in the then popular Second Empire style and also lacked the high stoops common to brownstones. At 4:30 you stated that Mrs. Astor lived in a Murray Hill brownstone. That might be a little bit of a stretch. It was only a block outside of what is considered Murray Hill so, again, it could be a matter of interpretation.

  • @styldsteel1
    @styldsteel1 Před 4 lety +98

    Oh, no, no, no. Today this is completely unacceptable. All of these buildings must be torn down immediately to make way for a soul-less glass box with a huge starbucks in the 5 story lobby.

    • @lastnamegordon3893
      @lastnamegordon3893 Před 3 lety +2

      Haha exactly. It’s exactly that right now. It’s a hollister now.

    • @mariaboletsis3188
      @mariaboletsis3188 Před 3 lety +2

      it's a true crime!

    • @styldsteel1
      @styldsteel1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@mariaboletsis3188 it is! There is nothing more cold then a glass box.

    • @davidkovach-fuentes1374
      @davidkovach-fuentes1374 Před 3 lety +2

      to be fair, this was in 1926 when NY was expanding but even then it should’ve stayed. little did we know this would be the end of an era of amazing architecture and it transitions to ones of soulless concrete boxes

    • @styldsteel1
      @styldsteel1 Před 3 lety +2

      @@davidkovach-fuentes1374 I don't even think there's people around that know how to build these grand structures anymore. Can you imagine if something catastrophic happened to the Woolworth building?

  • @SheilaRamseySoprano
    @SheilaRamseySoprano Před 2 lety

    Looking at the pictures of these beautiful structures was so fun and fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing. The drab black and white color doesn't do the magnificence of it all much justice, but listening to you guys narrate this documentary really helped me envision all the splendor of this gilded age.

  • @Higherseeker
    @Higherseeker Před 2 lety +2

    Great example of Tartarian Architecture. No matter how the history books lie to you.

  • @groupetgr8010
    @groupetgr8010 Před 4 lety +3

    It’s a shame they demolished this beautiful house! It would be a gem to visit

  • @Ne0c225
    @Ne0c225 Před 5 lety +4

    Great video!

  • @paulabrown6840
    @paulabrown6840 Před 4 lety +3

    Also Alva and her daughter Consuelo became intricately
    Involved with the Suffragette
    movement in later years.

  • @theyrekrnations8990
    @theyrekrnations8990 Před 12 dny

    It's Magnificent! Tear it down. Joni Mitchell said we need a parking lot

  • @abuiel
    @abuiel Před 4 lety +19

    Alva was never acknowledged as "Queen of New York society." When it began to be obvious that Caroline Astor (the actual Queen) was fading, she started jockeying for position with Mamie Fish and Tessie Oelrichs, but none of them commanded the respect that Caroline had. The best they could do was form a triumvirate of "frenemies" but none were actual society leaders on their own and soon just faded away.

  • @salvatorem1959
    @salvatorem1959 Před 2 lety +3

    Great new series on HBO named The Gilded Era . Last episode this weekend, today is March 15 2022 , a Tuesday and it will appear on Sunday , I recommend binge watching this series . You won't regret , even to just see how they dressed and what homes looked like and New York City itself

  • @4444colin
    @4444colin Před 4 lety +4

    I always cry when I think if I could have saved them. Think if the Dakota building had been torn down. We now revere that building.
    Melbourne Australia has lost some gems too.

    • @bar10ml44
      @bar10ml44 Před 4 lety

      4444colin Imagine Melbourne had it been preserved as a Victorian city. What a treasure. Many of Glasgow’s buildings have been saved and it’s like in part a living museum. I cry when I see what they did to the interior of Flinders Street Station.

  • @dilenaking4746
    @dilenaking4746 Před 3 lety +2

    Makes one wonder, what would the architecture be now if Mrs. Astor had just sent an invitation

  • @scronx
    @scronx Před 4 lety +1

    Very enjoyable!

  • @cattycorner8
    @cattycorner8 Před 2 lety

    Well written, delightful to listen to!

  • @christopherarnold1568
    @christopherarnold1568 Před 4 lety +34

    it is a shame they torn this house down-wonder if anyone salvaged any architecture from it?

    • @jamesofarcadia
      @jamesofarcadia Před 4 lety +6

      Most of the building would have been reclaimed, every fixture, floorboards, fireplace, etc... it's an industry which is still very much active today. if you do a little research you'll probably be able to find out where elements ended up.

    • @Garbeaux.
      @Garbeaux. Před 4 lety +10

      I have a book about the houses and what happened to them. Most of the interior was auctioned off by the new owner who got the house for nothing. The grand staircase didn’t find a buyer so they literally dumped it into the ocean.

    • @moonraker30
      @moonraker30 Před 4 lety +4

      Lance Nobles Aww man 😔😔😔

    • @Kimmolation
      @Kimmolation Před 4 lety +5

      Lance Nobles what is the name of the book? I’d love to read that!

    • @cattycorner8
      @cattycorner8 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Garbeaux. I have heard the "grand staircase from the demolished Fifth Ave. mansion dumped into the ocean" story about 6 times now from six different houses 🤣

  • @KDawgKy
    @KDawgKy Před 3 lety +5

    Excellent documentary...As I watched this, what kept coming to mind, who were the lay people, the artisans, the carpenters, the masons, etc... that had the talent to bring this altogether? We are taught that we were ignorant and not well educated (beyond the 6th grade) during this time period.

    • @meeeka
      @meeeka Před 2 lety +3

      I wish someone could find and highlight those amazing workmen, giving them their due.

    • @cattycorner8
      @cattycorner8 Před 2 lety

      Since our country was founded chiefly by Europeans, some of these immigrants brought their Old World artistry and craft here to America. One always hears of master sculptors from Italy accustomed to working in marble being brought over.

  • @peterpalmer9755
    @peterpalmer9755 Před 4 lety +21

    WHY would they tear this down? Seems that it could've been designated a historic landmark.

    • @moonraker30
      @moonraker30 Před 4 lety

      AB. B. 😂😝😂😝😂

    • @larainejones4641
      @larainejones4641 Před 3 lety

      Ghostbusters did it

    • @suzyfarnham3165
      @suzyfarnham3165 Před 3 lety +3

      Most of the houses on 'Vanderbilt Row' in NYC were sold and demolished by 1930. Some of these homes only stood for 25 years before they were gone. It is a travesty.All the homes they owned at Newport R.I would have gone the same way had the preservation society not intervened and had them put on the National Register. As the families fortunes waned, these homes were too large and expensive on taxes and upkeep.

  • @midnightmilkman1
    @midnightmilkman1 Před 4 lety +8

    "Out with Old, In with the New" thats why it's called "New York"

  • @nygrl6102
    @nygrl6102 Před 4 lety +3

    I hope they saved the stained glass windows when they tore it down. What a shame to lose that place.

  • @nancyyonce2906
    @nancyyonce2906 Před 2 lety

    AWESOME . THANK YOU.

  • @thomascefalo938
    @thomascefalo938 Před 2 lety

    enjoyable video!

  • @NIKKIWORKZ
    @NIKKIWORKZ Před 4 lety +5

    My grandma was one of the friends of the owners. It's was said that at that time no one was allowed to enter this palace in shabby clothes.

  • @tudorjason
    @tudorjason Před 4 lety +26

    The New York mansions of the gilded age were stunning! It's pitiful, seriously pitiful, that the super rich of today build modern and post-modern boring boxes!

    • @lynnetmb4706
      @lynnetmb4706 Před 4 lety +6

      tudorjason Yep, everything looks so industrial 🏭 and ugly.
      They’re using shipping containers to build houses now.

    • @libertygiveme1987
      @libertygiveme1987 Před 4 lety +5

      tudorjason - It's SINFUL is what it is!!!! No IMAGINATION NOR TASTE!!!!

    • @moonraker30
      @moonraker30 Před 4 lety +1

      Or Vinyl Villages

    • @stevehansen932
      @stevehansen932 Před 4 lety +4

      I was in NYC this winter and saw the new billionaire tower. Not even a balcony, seemed like all glass. Very minimalist, maybe like their lives?

    • @moonraker30
      @moonraker30 Před 4 lety +2

      @@stevehansen932 😂😝😂😝😂

  • @shadowartist8892
    @shadowartist8892 Před 4 lety +3

    Why was it demolished? Why cant we keep stunning architecture in this country?

  • @cw5451
    @cw5451 Před 4 lety +4

    Very interesting. I wish this had explained why the home was later demolished.

    • @bar10ml44
      @bar10ml44 Před 4 lety

      C W Simple. MONEY

    • @cattycorner8
      @cattycorner8 Před 2 lety +1

      Greed. They could build a highrise apartment building for 100 families on the same plot of land.

  • @dlghenderson2837
    @dlghenderson2837 Před 4 lety +7

    It's deplorable that so much money was spent on that monstrosity when so many people in NYC at that time were living in abject poverty.

    • @FumariVI
      @FumariVI Před 3 lety +1

      I agree. Alva could have done a lot of good with that fortune if she hadn't been so full of herself. And the money that she so lavishly spent was her husband's fortune.

    • @cattycorner8
      @cattycorner8 Před 2 lety

      what a boor. go peddle your equal-opportunity misery somewhere else.

  • @Nunofurdambiznez
    @Nunofurdambiznez Před 4 lety +11

    imagine the cost of that chateau in today's 2020 money.. it boggles the mind...

    • @moonraker30
      @moonraker30 Před 4 lety

      Nunofurdambiznez Do we even fathom? 🙄🙄🙄

  • @zbrady
    @zbrady Před 3 lety +1

    Very similar style to the Biltmore Estate that Hunt designed for George W Vanderbilt in Asheville, NC.

  • @Elizabeth-rq1vi
    @Elizabeth-rq1vi Před 4 lety +2

    While I can admire the craftsmanship that went into individual aspects of the building, it was a overall monstrosity. The Biltmore Estates on the other hand, is an stunning example of architectural beauty.

    • @gnolan4281
      @gnolan4281 Před 4 lety

      Agreed. It's hideous. Taken as a whole and at the end of the day it strikes me as a monument to the pretensions and ego of the arriviste who builds it more as a pedestal than a spring board.

  • @henryphilipvige777
    @henryphilipvige777 Před 5 lety +5

    Fabulous! A tribute to the beauty and grace of a long-forgotten way of life. I lament the destruction of such exquisite beauty!

  • @agoogleuser4443
    @agoogleuser4443 Před 4 lety +29

    Well at least the Biltmore house is still going strong here in NC! At least the idiots didn't tear that down too. So wasteful in America. Everything here is disposable. Sad.

    • @allenbrown9069
      @allenbrown9069 Před 3 lety +2

      You dont know how close Baltimore house came to being demolished

    • @suzyfarnham3165
      @suzyfarnham3165 Před 3 lety +2

      I visited there from Australia last February. What a masterpiece. It was the last Vanderbilt mansion I had left to see...and it was the most beautiful by far.

    • @diwi1942
      @diwi1942 Před 2 lety

      @@allenbrown9069 if John Cecil, Cornelia's ex-husband, hadn't saved it it would be gone. Cornelia didn't want it. Thankfully he did.

  • @grayb7420
    @grayb7420 Před 2 lety +1

    It would be cool to see the interiors in colour

  • @StevenTorrey
    @StevenTorrey Před 3 lety +2

    When it was built in 1882, servants would have been little better than indentured slaves so they could have as many as they needed. By the time it was torn down in 1920s, servants were paid wages, taxes took a bigger bite, and maintenance of these behemoth mansions took a huge amount of their income. By its end in the 1920s, the land was more valuable than the house.

  • @ohmusicsweetmusic
    @ohmusicsweetmusic Před 4 lety +4

    Ok, i actually feel like i'm in 9th grade English class and the teacher has asked Mary to read Girl #1 and Bobby to read Boy#2.

    • @lisas2538
      @lisas2538 Před 4 lety

      ohmusicsweetmusic giggling

  • @mynewyork165
    @mynewyork165 Před 4 lety +3

    That was very informative. I agree, they should've never demolished the mansion. They should've made it a landmark & then fix it up.

  • @rubywingo6030
    @rubywingo6030 Před 4 lety +16

    Anderson Cooper’s grandparents.

    • @FumariVI
      @FumariVI Před 3 lety

      That is not correct. William K. Vanderbilt was a brother of Cornelius Vanderbilt II, who was Anderson Cooper's great grandfather. Cornelius II's son Reginald was Anderson's maternal grandfather.

  • @charlesvanderhoog7056
    @charlesvanderhoog7056 Před 3 lety +2

    It is curious Alva thought this house decoration to be the greatest art possible. Even in her own days, it must have been quite odd, a curiosum rather than a marvel. Remember the Impressionists had come on the scene while Art Nouveau was all the rage. This house is a horrible throw-back, a last-ditch effort to promote an acquired taste from the distant past. Perhaps Alva VanderBilt was a reincarnation of some old princess that never changed her taste through the centuries? At any rate, it shows how crazy rich folk become after a while.

  • @ejohnson3131
    @ejohnson3131 Před 4 lety +5

    Many downtown areas in most American cities have secluded neighborhoods with historical mansions built by prominent figures who were intertwined with the history of the city. I wonder why New York City didn't do anything to preserve this part of history? It would probably be a major tourist attraction today.

  • @bill90405
    @bill90405 Před 3 lety +1

    the house had simply become a white elephant, the 400 had moved on and the dirt under it too valuable. Similarly, one of my ancestors built a massive pile on the west side at 11 Riverside Dr. finished in 1907, demolished in 1947, barely time to pay off the mortgage! one of these monsters remains, The Frick Collection if you want to experience it.

  • @Linda-pw8gx
    @Linda-pw8gx Před 4 lety +12

    Oh why can’t people see the importance of these gilded structures!!! So much history gone, replaced by glass and steel, so sad......

    • @cattycorner8
      @cattycorner8 Před 2 lety

      I've decided that humans are often stupid and greedy.

  • @imonit1177
    @imonit1177 Před 2 lety +1

    Vanderbuilt built the future. His kids squandered the wealth in 1 century partying.

  • @patrickbush9526
    @patrickbush9526 Před 3 lety +2

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the wealth and opulence. What a shame they tore that treasure Palace down

  • @LawrenceMartinez-fb1tt

    I recall Joan Rivers as saying that parts of the Vanderbilt ballroom was used in her penthouse that was one of the last gilded age mansions. It is rediculous to think that all that ornate craftsmanship ended up in a landfill….it was stripped bare and sold.

  • @nopenope7769
    @nopenope7769 Před 4 lety +1

    Anyone else wonder just how haunted it must’ve been?

  • @sarab6415
    @sarab6415 Před 4 lety +1

    Great content. New subscriber here:)

  • @mariaboletsis3188
    @mariaboletsis3188 Před 3 lety

    All that hard work and amazing architecture - and for what? So they can tear it down!!! Gotta love New York....

  • @creekbandit
    @creekbandit Před 4 lety

    Give us more!

  • @seanthorton3054
    @seanthorton3054 Před 3 lety +1

    That witchs hat is called a turret.

  • @cary8575
    @cary8575 Před 2 lety

    And the furniture!!

  • @carloshugogeib7961
    @carloshugogeib7961 Před 2 lety +1

    What a pity they have demolished this château. What treasures desapeared in the dust

  • @dcllaw677
    @dcllaw677 Před 4 lety +3

    All built on other people’s hard work,not on the owners.

  • @cards0486
    @cards0486 Před 3 lety +2

    At first I was thinking Alva was trying to push her way into society, and was looked on as Nouveau Riche.
    But the American Industrial Age was at a time when anyone making millions in America was “Nouveau Riche”.
    European wealthy families were ‘old money’. The United States was a young country, not old enough for ‘old money’.
    I love that about our country. Yes, Europe is ‘jaw dropping’ in its beauty. Castles like can’t be seen here are wonderful.
    But a new land provided a big expanse of “here it is; make your dream happen.”

    • @FumariVI
      @FumariVI Před 3 lety

      Alva most certainly WAS trying to push her way into society. If you think she had altruistic motivations you are sadly mistaken.

  • @cassandraralph5906
    @cassandraralph5906 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for this most interesting and educational video! However I am of the opinion that these American Victorian mansions are very much the over the top and elaborate Americanized version of the great palaces and castles of Europe and England, which are often much nicer and less elaborate. Coming from a English/Welsh working class background, I tend to prefer a pared back smaller version of the English mansion.

    • @fredh999harris8
      @fredh999harris8 Před 2 lety

      "...pared back smaller version..." - Do you mean like Blenheim Palace or Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle or whatever?

    • @cassandraralph5906
      @cassandraralph5906 Před 2 lety

      @@fredh999harris8, I mean a simplified version of no more than 4000 square feet. Buckingham Palace is now just basically a museum, and office space, and a lot of reception rooms. Blenheim Palace is now effectively a huge museum. Windsor Castle is mixture of museum, private accommodation for the Royal family, and their favorite staff, plus a large chapel and accommodation for the ministers who work in the church.

    • @fredh999harris8
      @fredh999harris8 Před 2 lety +1

      @@cassandraralph5906 Buckingham P also contains apartments to house the Queen & others.
      Blenheim P also contains apartments for the latest Duke of Marlborough & his family.

  • @cambo1200
    @cambo1200 Před 4 lety +13

    Excellent video, but switching between narrators seems to stumble the flow of the narration. Each narrator has a great voice on their own.

    • @jimjimgl3
      @jimjimgl3 Před 4 lety +3

      I went scrolling through the comments to see if anyone else was put off by the narration. Every time it switched from man to woman I lost the information being told and instead had to
      readjust to the new voice. I'm sure they are just trying to be equitable between themselves but from a production standpoint, not great for the viewer.

    • @189beacon
      @189beacon Před 4 lety +3

      Narration sounds like two college students reading their term paper out loud to the class, complete with mispronunciations and poor delivery. Paper is interesting, but next time, hire a professional narrator!

    • @terribruin9662
      @terribruin9662 Před 4 lety

      I agree. Changing narrators every sentence looses the flow of the video

  • @tinasmith1770
    @tinasmith1770 Před 3 lety

    I hope that much of the interior was spared and taken out and used elsewhere before the home was demolished.

  • @wade998
    @wade998 Před 4 lety +4

    Whitemarsh Hall was much larger and more beautiful and was razed to the ground in 1980.

  • @clairwaucaush874
    @clairwaucaush874 Před 3 lety

    You guys ended the video too soon. What happened to the furniture in the house? Has any of it survived anywhere. Was any part of the house removed and saved when it was torn down? And why was it torn down? Are there any Vanderbilts around today?

  • @merlynscave
    @merlynscave Před 4 lety +4

    I live in France and they keep nearly all their old buildings. A lesson for the world. Pulling down that building so greedy people could build a sky scraper is criminal. Shame on them.

  • @SCAScienceLab
    @SCAScienceLab Před 2 lety

    And now, there’s a Zara and Hollister at 660 Fifth Avenue…

  • @SKF358
    @SKF358 Před 2 lety

    Good for them

  • @tonygarcia8720
    @tonygarcia8720 Před 4 lety +2

    Yes the are beautiful it takes a lot of $$$ to up keep these palaces for only a few people to live in ?

  • @gorgeouspaintings
    @gorgeouspaintings Před 2 lety

    So what was the reason for it being demolished in such a short time...

  • @marilyncole3560
    @marilyncole3560 Před 4 lety +2

    OMG they tore it down?

  • @derrickharmon2
    @derrickharmon2 Před rokem

    So when they demolished this work of art, did they take the stained glass out first or was that destroyed too?

  • @danielpenn1734
    @danielpenn1734 Před 4 lety +3

    Look people, the world movers. These are our problems

  • @ccoppolaphoto
    @ccoppolaphoto Před 2 lety +2

    these same buildings can be found on every continent.. they appear also from 1650-1800 and are equip with a type of "antiquitech" many that have studied this type of architecture would also be familiar with the structures ability to create their own electrical resonance and charge from the ionosphere. anyone that knows about American history and the robber baron cabal of the "industrial revolution" would add that many of these structures are far older than the 1800's. and that a great global reset of our known history and technology had taken place. check out the "mud flood"and the 1851 the crystal palace symposium. where our new history was started. it will surely blow your mind

    • @ccoppolaphoto
      @ccoppolaphoto Před rokem

      @samantha smith this is not colonial architecture nor was the colonial period 1650-1800 it was 1492-1763
      it’s a neo-baroque architecture that we were taught brought by European settlers however this same
      Architecture can be seen in much earlier structures in Egypt turkey greece and much of India
      This you can see in a basic google search.when I was in art school I hated learning about this
      But after visiting these sites through the world it is clear they had another function entirely
      And we can see the narrative Is just that. A story
      Check out the mud flood and the worlds fairs
      It was like put on to destroy these buildings that were also found here under “ the mud flood” very interesting as there is no explanation of how, in a time of horse and buggy
      That’s these incredible 700,000 square foot megalithic gorgeous buildings were made. And then burned or destroyed
      Why is the question

    • @ccoppolaphoto
      @ccoppolaphoto Před rokem

      @samantha smith here are about 100 examples of identical architectural elements from the same period around the world Colonial styles of architecture include Baroque, Orientalism, and Art Nouveau. The Baroque Revival, also known as Neo-Baroque (or Second Empire architecture in France and Wilhelminism in Germany), was an architectural style of the late 19th century. The term is used to describe architecture and architectural sculptures which display important aspects of Baroque style, but are not of the original Baroque period. Elements of the Baroque architectural tradition were an essential part of the curriculum of the École des Beaux-Arts in Paris, the pre-eminent school of architecture in the second half of the 19th century, and are integral to the Beaux-Arts architecture it engendered both in France and abroad. where I also studied and travelled extensively An ebullient sense of European imperialism encouraged an official architecture to reflect it in Britain and France, and in Germany and Italy the Baroque Revival expressed pride in the new power of the unified state.The Robber Barons of NY loved this architecture and kept it for their own.
      what I am saying is I don't agree with the age of these buildings, that we are being told a very different story of our recent past(last 200 years) and the tech we had built into these structures has been hijacked by those that wished to monopolize and profit from these technologies.(radiant electricity) But you wish to argue about historical details, missing the entire point of my original comment. Ironically, The Vanderbilt family is one of those families I speak of. . I was merely making a point by asking a question of our past "isn't it interesting" is all. My apologies, I didn't mean to blow up your pre-programmed world of academia, I asked you to think outside of the information we are fed and to come up with your own opinion of what resonates as the truth. I challenge you to use critical thinking, as well as your intuition and question the narrative of our time. While you come up with your own opinion, here are some examples of the same architecture at the same time, around the globe that I spoke of:
      Akasaka Palace , Tokyo, Japan
      Alferaki Palace (1848), Taganrog, Russia
      Ashton Memorial , Lancaster, England
      Belfast City Hall , Belfast, Northern Ireland
      Beloselsky-Belozersky Palace (1747), Saint Petersburg, Russia
      Bode Museum Berlin, Germany
      British Columbia Parliament Buildings , Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
      Burgtheater (1888), Vienna, Austria
      Cardiff City Hall, Cardiff, Wales
      Christiansborg Palace, Copenhagen, Denmark
      Cluj-Napoca National Theatre , Cluj-Napoca, Romania
      Ortaköy Mosque , Istanbul, Turkey
      Dolmabahçe Palace , Istanbul, Turkey
      The Elms Mansion , Newport, Rhode Island, United States
      Näsilinna (also known as the Milavida Palace) (1898), Tampere, Finland
      National Theatre (1899), Oslo, Norway
      Palais Garnier (also known as the Paris Opera) (1861-1875), Paris, France
      Port of Liverpool Building Liverpool, England
      Rosecliff Mansion , Newport, Rhode Island, United States
      Royal Museum for Central Africa , Tervuren, Belgium
      Semperoper (1878), Dresden, Germany
      Sofia University rectorate, Sofia, Bulgaria
      Zachęta National Gallery of Art Warsaw, Poland
      St. Barbara's Church , Brooklyn, New York, United States
      St. John Cantius Church , Chicago, United States
      Church of St. Ignatius Loyola , New York City, United States
      Church of Saints Peter and Paul , Athlone, Ireland
      Cathedral of Salta , Salta, Argentina
      Széchenyi thermal bath , Budapest, Hungary
      Volkstheater (1889), Vienna, Austria
      National Art Gallery of Bulgaria (the former royal palace), Sofia, Bulgaria
      Wenckheim Palace (1886-1889), Budapest, Hungary
      Stefánia Palace (formerly named Park Club) (1893-1895), Budapest, Hungary
      Gran Teatro de La Habana, Havana, Cuba
      Old Parliament Building, Colombo, Sri Lanka
      House of the National Assembly of Serbia Belgrade, Serbia.
      Durban City Hall, South Africa
      Oceanographic Museum of Monaco, Principality of Monaco

  • @lindanichiliza6123
    @lindanichiliza6123 Před 3 lety +1

    Construction pictures please?

  • @jenniferthomas3875
    @jenniferthomas3875 Před 2 lety

    If Hunt was really as smart as they say, he would have designed it so it could be converted into an art museum. By selling the works of art William K. bought they could have acquired enough money to pay for stuff needed to keep that house going AND buy the greatest and most innovative paintings made in the early 20th century, before they became ridiculously expensive. Eventually this building could become what the museum of modern art is now, but it would be called the Vanderbilt museum and be more impressive than the Guggenheim.
    They could make the dining room an eatery where you could buy watermelon, honeydew melon and similar fruit and look at and read about all these fruits with pictures that covered every inch of the walls and call it the Carnegie Melon university.

  • @emadintro7641
    @emadintro7641 Před 4 lety +8

    These were buildings to be proud of, not these extremely ugly concrete skyscrapers which are an eyesore. Why do wealthy people today have no taste anymore?

    • @jacksiscavage6265
      @jacksiscavage6265 Před 3 lety

      And can you believe that unskilled workers with not much more than a horse and carriage built theses beautiful buildings. Lol, someone better do some real research to uncover when these beautiful buildings were really built. Much older than we are told.

  • @melaniamonicacraciun9900

    Its such a good feeling fans, only dreaming that invisible web audience might enjoy with us such movie docs, when immigrants were welcomed and respected of running away from slavery and aristocrats exploitation abroad, when such boldly American owners were so socialist to give workers decent wages and respectable life style, the true American dream we still dream about, wellness is not possible if not shared with others, can you realize this concept?

  • @shellzzabat5950
    @shellzzabat5950 Před 4 lety +1

    Sadly, now it is the Rockefeller Center block.

  • @user-ku5xo1ph9l
    @user-ku5xo1ph9l Před 4 lety +3

    I think that was the Vanderbilt mausoleum being built on staten island right in the start of this video

  • @ianboard544
    @ianboard544 Před 4 lety +6

    Things like this mansion and mega-yachts are probably a more efficient way of re-distributing wealth than taxes. Think about the number of 'ordinary' people that are needed to build and maintain these monstrosities - just because an insecure rich person has to outdo their peers.

    • @deborahchesser7375
      @deborahchesser7375 Před 4 lety

      Ian Board wile we struggle to pay rent, they are troubled over what paintings to put in what room. Greedy bastards

    • @johanna6050
      @johanna6050 Před 4 lety +2

      @@deborahchesser7375unless wealth is earned through unlawful means, why is one greedy if they are a success at commerce? Most of the people who made millions during the 19th century simply had a good idea, and consumers freely purchased their products or services. There were no government subsidies or handouts, and if you failed, then you were SOL, so there was incentive to succeed. Try not to hate people who have more than you.

    • @ianboard544
      @ianboard544 Před 4 lety

      @@deborahchesser7375 Yes, but the workmen who built the yacht can live a pretty decent life, and the crew members earn pretty good salaries and benefits. it would be wonderful if rich people simply gave their money away, but barring that, mega-yachts are a pretty efficient way of separating rich fools from their money.

  • @marylamb1407
    @marylamb1407 Před 2 lety +1

    It's a cultural tragedy to have these homes destroyed.

  • @janecarolhogue3140
    @janecarolhogue3140 Před 2 lety

    Tears me up they build these magnificent mansions and tear it down like it doesn't matter

  • @jacksiscavage6265
    @jacksiscavage6265 Před 3 lety +5

    That building 665 was there way before the Vanderbilts were even conceived
    Of. It was an inherited rest building. Love these readers over real researchers.

    • @ivorbiggun2665
      @ivorbiggun2665 Před 3 lety +3

      Lots of these so called gilded age buildings were way older, and "founded" no effort In this vid mainstream b.s,

  • @LS-ot7td
    @LS-ot7td Před 4 lety

    I like both commentaries but the changing every "page" makes it a bit choppy for me, but interesting nonetheless.

    • @terribruin9662
      @terribruin9662 Před 4 lety

      I agree with you. They both are great narrators, but I wish they would alternate videos instead of sentences.