When Fantasy Calls - What Fantasy is, what it does, and how to understand it.
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- Fantasy is probably the biggest trap facing this up-and-coming generation, especially for anyone studying Jung's work. In this video, Steve and Pauline provides the framework for navigating fantasy with care - it can be used productively, but it must always be done with consciousness.
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Intro music:
“When Fantasy Calls" by Slade
Thank you for this insightful video. Many of us are overly cognitive and society is pushing us into psychosis/fantasy and accessing the world of our affect is key. Falling prey to the negative anima and ego inflation and false ideas. We need to tap into experiences and the instinct from our genome. I have found myself inflated and am checking my ego so that I don't try to chase after social media fame. I want to tap into the truth of my being, the numinous, the spiritual path, connecting to ancestors.
Hi @aneelamahmud1806, many thanks for your comment and sharing your insight and experience. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline 🙏🙏,
A brilliant Service to Humanity..thank you 🙏
Thank you Baljit, your comment is very kind 🙏 All the best, James
“Feeling takes time, shows that it’s mine.” 😍ooh, What an epic line.
Thanks Ryan, it does express how affect confirms far more than cognition. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
Personally having experienced of one of the mentioned psychoses not directly brought on by drugs or intentional hypoglycemia, what Steve is talking about around the 23 minute mark is bang on the money and something I have come to the conclusion of-that psychosis is generally an expression of instinct wherein the person lacks a proper means of expressing or understanding the instinct(s). The wealth of knowledge on this channel is astounding.
Thank you so much, Steve and Pauline Richards.
Blessings Mitchell Graunke. Thank you for sharing, Respect to You, and for Your Journey. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline 🙏🙏
looking forward to this!
Thank you Zero-Tension, we hope you enjoyed it 🙏 All the best, James
Great discussion as always. And condolences from America on the loss of your queen.
Thank you TurboSol, that's very kind of you 🙏 All the best, James
“Living a simple and authentic life.” I can feel that I’m coming to a point where I’m wanting to be much more calmer in the way I relate to myself and others, but simplicity really is the key. Beginning of my days as an entrepreneur I would wake up in the morning, drink a half gallon of water, meditate, do my gratitude writings, do visualisations and then workout, and then finally work on my business, it was such a waste of time. But being simple really brings it back home with yourself in homeostasis. Blessings good to see you two back here again.
Thanks for your comment Tu - its been a blessing to watch your development thus far 🙏 Keep on the path my friend. All the best, James
@@JungToLiveBy thank you James. It’s been a blessing being on this journey and watching your development over the years as well 🙏
Wow! This is a game changer, thank you.
Thank you for your comment okay 🙏 All the best, James
This is just timely. I recently moved here to UK 5 months ago and currently working with the NHS. The content have once again put things in perspective, or whenever I feel overwhelmed on some things happening around me, or sometimes collapsing to a point of view which puts a cap on how I see things, which I suppose is just part of me adapting. What I have learned from you guys is that some things only become a problem if the adaptive function is not put into context and understood properly. This is why I try to reflect on whatever situation I was frustrated about after it happens, but only when the dust settles and my mind feels more clear because emotions do seize me on some occasion. Hopefully I get to meet everyone, and would be great if I can manage to be a student on IPSA as I'm currently trying to save money for it. Working on bringing my wife over for now. From 🇵🇭 to 🇬🇧, many thanks!
Thank you for your kind comment Mark. You'd be more than welcome to apply for a future Cadre 🙏 All the best, James
Always love your videos! Are you guys aware of the Andrew Tate phenomenon? Latest internet guru and possibly cultural Trickster.
I would be very interested in a dissection of cultural trends like this ➕️
Would be good if they did a episode on Andrew tate.
I think this guy could be dangerous as his ego has already inflated.
A cultural trickster function seems to be very dominant within him in the current zeitgeist
Hi @ravinshingdevil, thanks for your comment. Such experiences can be legitimate, it all depends on what use we put to them. I’ve recently worked with someone who made the right effort to relate to, and unpack the symbolic representations that he experienced. Because he did it in the right way, and in his own specific context, it’s been very useful to him. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
Its a very detailed video about fantasy made me think about a PLR session i had 5 years back... i experienced something which was beyond my imagination it was like some journey a movie i witnessed, i still dont know that visual was a fantasy as i never ever imagined anything like that it was religious it was mythical in every way... at the backdrop of ancient times its hard to explain there was a story indeed the facilitator told me i saw some past life but for me that was hard to swallow. I never knew what to do with that vision which i experienced i still dont know.
Thanks guys this was great
Thank you Taylor 🙏 All the best, James
Great conversation as always! Thank you for all the work put into these videos 🙏
Thank you drummaoli, we both really appreciate your support for the channel, and our work. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Another great video. Tons of practical information here and it was delivered with so much care and compassion that it felt like it completely bypassed my cognition straight to affect and meaning.
I would love a video that focused more specifically on meaning if you guys feel it’s something that you’d like to do.
As always, thanks for everything you guys do.🙏
Hi again @thyself8004 apologies for the late reply. That’s a great idea, we’ll definitely do that. Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏
Speaking of non-ego-consciousness instead of unconscious makes sense ( around 30:00 ). It kind of offers more resources to the processes of thinking and catching meaning. This idea reminds me of early Freud's pre-conscious.
Just trying to sort out my thoughts here. Thank you for this interesting video. Slayed was a nice touch too.
Hi N Uni, thanks so much for your comment. The usual definitions of 'consciousness' extend the rather restricted and tenuous 'Ego' out into the world, as a kind of supra-ordinate projection of itself (panpsychism in some of its variants). Otherwise, the Ego is 'internally projected' into the unconscious (the non-Ego consciousness) and generates a mirage of itself, as an image of wholeness (e.g. the Jungian 'Self Archetype). This, is a psychologism, of something that extends way beyond the limitations of an Ego mirage (internal inflation). The genome, reciprocally 'projects' an image of itself, into 'representation', psychologically (a compressed symbol of that which it is not: ie, it is not a psychologism, not something that can be reduced to a supra-ordinate imago of itself. This 'Genomic Self' fulfils all the criteria of organisation, development and control, usually ascribed to the 'image' of it, as represented to the Ego, psychologically (the Jungian 'Self). It is however more than only that, as it must also include all other embeded informational fields and relationships that are upstream of the genome, and that regulate its own expression. Fundamentals of Informational Monism: Information, is that which ‘in-forms’ the representation, of itself. Platonic Forms (Plato) and mathematics (Penrose, Pythagoras) are a kind of fundamental representation of information. The ontology of informational representation, defines the complexity of information as the ‘formal’ organisation of information. This includes the material and non -material aspects of being, that are in a field of representation, in, and between, the ‘states’ configured, by a collapse of the field, into local representation, thereby defining, and being defined by, those states. Consciousness, is a complexity of information, represented to itself. Kindest Regards, Steve
@@JungToLiveBy Thank you so much Steve, for further describing the situation by the bio-psycho-social model. I wonder, although the apparatus is systemic, there seems to be an overall phenomenological approach.
With respect, pseudonym N Uni
What a video intro 🥳
Those fields that organise everything...even they have a councus😁Love it
Blessings, Steve & Pauline
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the death of the Queen and the archetype of the queen... thank you as always :)
Thank you redruby; we'll consider your request 🙏 All the best, James
@@JungToLiveBy Thank you! I used to comment as Joy, huge fan of your work here.
Thank you, I understand some things I needed more insight on. Your CZcams posts have been a great help.
Hi again, Mary Duffy, Blessings, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline 🙏🙏
@@JungToLiveBy you too 🙏 and thank you 😃
Extreme insightful video. I love it! But there's been something on my mind regarding what you guys said about (sorry I'm paraphrasing here or collapsing it)
(Pauline paraphrased what Steve spoke)
"People who are too one-sided cognitively and them being overwhelmed by affect. Then the "affect" starts to power there idea ".
My question: Could there be a starting in which where people are to one-sided "affect" wise"?
Or would it be consider something else ??
Keep up the amazing work ! Thank you so much ❤️
Hi again, @guereca7178, thanks for raising this point, yes, and in answer, please watch out for upcoming video and related material of the evolution of the qualia of consciousness, which should answer your question. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
@@JungToLiveBy Perfect I'll be on the lookout for the video. Thank youu so much
Wow this video hits home, this is exactly what i have been experiencing the last 6 months and i have turned my whole life upside down and caused so much pain and trauma to the people i love. Im only just realising now what has been taking place. I require help now so this doesn't keep manifesting in my life but i don't know what to do..
Hi @scottpritchard7344, you could join our Discord community, which is a supportive group of peers,working on self-development. The JTLB team post there daily and interact directly and personally with members. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
Interesting talk as always, i was researching Sufism in Islam and it's ability to induce a trans/dissociation state through reciting names of God/Allah, or poetry that expresses love of God, and then healing oneself through that love, for you guys is it like building a Disociation through the vessel of religion and the relationship with God, and then inviting the clear messages of instincts to pass on to the ego directly without interference of complexes, and there for it's considered a counter-complexe. Or is not the proper way to communicate with instincts, Hope you guys talk about this topic in one of you videos, otherwise thank you very much for your deep insights 🙏
Brilliant explanation.
Blessings, Julian, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
I had hypnosis for "past life regression", but ultimately I think it was just fantasy but I did feel much better afterwards strangely....felt a real energy shift.
I would love if you guys could do a video on how to self hypnotise effectively. I've tried to speak to the genome but aside from dreams, I don't get any physical clues or feedback.
Hi Paul, thank you for you sharing your experience 🙏 Steve and Pauline have described an entry-level means to engage with the unconscious through self-hypnosis, in their Hypnotherapy Handbook (link in the description) - lots of people in our Discord have reported great and immediate results from using it. All the best, James
Worth to check science portals with search terms aphantasia and hyperphantasia. Special groups with the term Reddit is also interesting. It’s latest fields of research. People with aphantasia have no visual imagination but they have still a lot of creativity. Search for aphantasia and Glen Keane… - the drawer of Ariel the little mermaid.
Thank you, I found this very helpful. :) Would hypnosis (dissociation) and creativity be good ways of dealing with fantasy and connecting to instincts?
Hi Sven 8, Steve and Pauline have said before that the fundamental place to start is with ego-strength, followed by action in the world. Theoretically, managed dissociation and re-association through self-hypnosis *can* be used to build ego-strength, but that is only recommended after careful assessment and training. Creativity is also a de facto means of building ego strength, too, as, as Steve has said, creativity *is* relating. Hope this helps 🙏 All the best, James
Slade!!!
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Great video. Would you say Nietzsche is someone who was over identified with cognition?
Hi @msanchez0125, cognition should always be downstream of everything else, that is decisive in human life. It evolved as a function, after affect (affect-consciousness) and "affectr is the carrier-wave of instinct". "The genome (and its related fields) are the master, and the instincts (Pankseppian and Meta) are its emissary". Too much cognition, collapses into itself (loop-cognition) and displaces adaptation to life (both inner and ouiter). Cognition, is a luxury, best afforded when adaptation to life is as complete as it can be, for our stage of life-span development. Any judgement about Nietzsche, should be set against how he lived his life, as that's the final evaluation that can be made upon anyone. Young people, should live according to their nature. Finding out what that is, is the unfolding task of mere being. Kindest Regards, Steve.
Hi, oufkiryassine7515, thank you so much for sharing your journey. respect & Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏
you've mentioned at 27:28 that there are numerous ways of accessing meaning consciousness; could you maybe link me to other videos where you talk about it(if there're such videos) or suggest any reading material on this? thank you.
Hi A. B. the video posted on the JTLB Channel on 20th October 2022, has a technical description of the process. Other than that, its sprinkled throughout the channels videos, and there's a Discord Server, where we regularly post answeres and enter supportive dialectics with members. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
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Hi again @dusanmilojevic9275, thanks for the time-stamp suggestion for our channel viewers. Kindest Regards, Steve
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Hi again @dusanmilojevic9275, thanks for the time-stamp suggestion for our channel viewers. Kindest Regards, Steve
I have a question: "is it likely that the meaning behind a fantasy will veil very deep complexes, of which caused the strong affect?"
I'm wondering how to further approach once one has acquired the meaning behind affect
Hi again @dddd_-_ The below is taken from our Discord Server, its a complicated question, so the answer (to both your questions) has to meet them at that level
"... 'meaning' is an emergent property of non-cognitive understanding - emergent in the sense that it is 'felt' and then put into a cognitive reference, as a model of that felt-meaning. This is due to affect being a-priori to cognition as an evolutionary qualia of Ego-reflexive 'conscious' experience, and the limitations, of cognition, as an immediate model 'of' that experience, that can be utilized to build virtual (anticipated and rehearsed) models of future experiences. Dissociation, is a product of the information carrying capacity of the Ego (the Miller-number of 7 plus or minus 2 'chunks' of information) so the Ego has evolved through adaptive pressure to be able to 'partition' itself into sub-routines (Pierre Janet's 'sub-nuclei of consciousness; Jung's 'complexes). Depending on the complexity of the situation being encountered, it is wholly or partially 'experienced' by the focus of the Ego's Miller-number, or it is dealt with by a complex (not all complexes are pathological - note). Some experiences are dealt with by automatized memory, learning and behavior, but the degree to which these are flattened out into what Mark Solms calls 'non-declarative memory' is moot; given the capacity of complexes to dynamically intercede with any automatic or indeed, intentional action. In a (human) evolutionary context, 'meaning' would need to process very quickly - and indeed affect processes faster than cognition. Meaning provides a whole-understanding of a situation that is non cognitive-reductive, so adaptation to the natural environment, and to social dynamics, should be on the basis of 'meaning' that is associated to 'instinct'. This is a different emphasis than on non-declarative memory (Solms and the Neuropsychoanalysts). As reflexivity became emotionally sophisticated in paleo-hominids and paleo-humans, then the 'extended field' of affective consciousness would become 'trans-subjective' (transpersonal in a contemporary sense) and lead to a continuity between the inner and outer worlds. Hence symbolization, and the extending of the subjective through projection into reified objective relationships to the natural world (early 'religion' and animism, shamanism etc). Meaning, would then go beyond the immediate sensory (exteroceptive) world and into the imaginal and virtual. With the evolution of our pre-frontal and extended association corticies, 'cognition' came on line and became the number one source of neurosis. Cognition would intrude into the affect psyche of the paleo-human, just as today, affect intrudes into the cognitive psyche of contemporary humans. We suffer today, the reverse of how a paleo-hominid/human would have suffered. The adaptive struggle between affect and cognition however, still battles through our imperfect relationship to our psyche. Hence 'meaning' is elusive to cognition, but at the same time compulsive to affect and to intuition. The struggle to find meaning is therefore an 'instinct, based on homeostatic principles, both biological and psycho-social/cultural. It is reflected in our lifespan development, and so in the maturing brain and its underpinning genome, which governs maturation on developmental timed-release. The innate scenarios (genetic and field) that regulate this process, manifest as 'meta-instincts' which are rehearsed ahead of full maturational deployment. They have within them, the seeds of 'meaning' in an a-priori, non-Ego sense. During maturation, instinctive pressure, including Darwinian competitive forces, push for uneven expression of 'meaning' through both cognition and affect (the cause of much confusion from puberty, through adolescence and into adulthood). This paradox is explained by selective adaptive advantage, that can arise (sometimes) from being precocious (although just as often it is just maladaptive). Intuition, as the 'consciousness of the objective wave-form of superpositioned information) is a powerful motive force here. Meaning is often 'received' via intuition, which being unable to represent itself as such, directly, adopts (collapses) into one or more other qualia of representational consciousness. So, it becomes a 'sensation', a feeling' and eventually, an 'after'-thought. Human cultural evolution has systematized these processes. hence there are many roads attempting to arrive at the same goal. This is as should be expected, as Darwinian precepts are active here too. Dissociation, is a necessary state within which to achieve altered or expanded states of consciousness. This is an advantage, if engaged with homeostaically, and dangerous if misunderstood (through substances and cult-like practices). The task should be to understand homeostatic dissociation, otherwise we should expect either to fall into a negative-selection trap (negative Darwin) or to be pathologized by those who do not understand what we are doing (as in base-line Freudian rejection of fantasy and religion). We should also be aware of Jungian and Transpersonal Psychology inclinations towards inflation, as this is very common, where 'meaning' is experienced but not integrated. The secondary cognitive modelling that follows causes inflation through over-compensated 'meaning' as the instinct for optimized adaptation attempts to push past the singularity caused by inflation. In other words, run-away positive feedback, into a very negative state indeed." Kindest Regards, Steve